treasonNOUN

mass noun

  • 1The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

‘they were convicted of treason’

Robert E. Lee was the leader of an armed force that attempted the overthrow of the government of the United States. Why should there be a statue of him or any other traitor on public property at taxpayers’ expense? The terrorist attack in Charlottesville, resulting in death and serious injury in defense of this statue is the latest lynch mob action in this country. It is the predictable repeat of the Greensboro massacre of 1979. However lynch mobs are not endemic to the South as the Eric Garner case demonstrates.

At the end of the Civil War had the criminal ringleaders of the so-called Confederacy received the punishment reserved for traitors we wouldn't have this problem today. The true character of these criminals is best exemplified by their chieftain Jefferson Davis who told Northern peace commissioners that the only choices for the so called Confederacy were "Independence or extermination". Extermination for who? Certainly not old Jeff who died in his bed in his eighties. It was extermination for the dupes who were killed defending the indefensible and tragically those who gave their lives defending the highest vales of this country. A whole section of this country has been allowed to worship such duplicitous frauds with statues and incorporate them into their “heritage” which is nothing more than a home grown Nazism. This type of thing will continue and escalate until racism, slavery and/or extermination of entire people is opposed and condemned at least as much as communism is.

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Coalage3 5 weeks 1 day ago
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From Rod Dreher: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-curse-of-identity-politics/

Excerpts:

But none of this will matter at all as long as the Left refuses to oppose identity politics in its own ranks. As I keep saying here, you cannot have an identity politics of the Left without calling up the same thing on the Right. Left-liberals who want conservatives to stigmatize and denounce white nationalism, but conservatives who do so will be sneered at by white nationalists as dupes and fools who advocate disarmament in the face of racist, sexist forces of the Left.

When the Left indulges in rhetoric that demonizes whites — especially white males — it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left punishes white males who violate its own delicate speech taboos, while tolerating the same kind of rhetoric on its own side, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left obsesses over ethnic, sexual, and religious minorities, but ignores the plight of poor and working-class whites, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left institutionalizes demonization of white males in college classes, in political movements, in the media and elsewhere, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left attributes moral status, and moral goodness, to persons based on their race, their sex, their sexual orientation, or any such thing, it summons up the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left refuses to condemn the violent antifa protesters, and treats their behavior as no big deal, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left refuses to stand firm against aggressive manifestations of illiberalism — like we have seen over the past several years on certain college campuses — it summons the demons of white nationalism.

When the Left encourages within its ranks identification as a victim, and stirs up political passions based on perception that one is a victim of other groups in society, it summons the demons of white nationalism.

And on and on. The problem is not pointing out perceived injustices and inequities that afflict people of particular groups. This is a normal part of politics. The problem is in teaching people to identify passionately and wholly with their own tribe, to think of themselves and others in their tribe as innocent victims of the Enemy, and to conflate the interest of their tribe with the common good.

cappy 5 weeks 1 day ago
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I want to state I am for peace for ALL... However, as I sit here and contemplate what has been going on over the past few days, these statues are a part of our American history -are they not? Isn't this what ISIS is doing over there in their countries? -damaging prescious artifacts will not solve any problems, nor will taking our monuments down. To me, it is just the same as "burning books". I am truly saddened by all of this. We learn from our history and past mistakes. The statue is only a material representation of what this nation has evolved through. It can not replicate the hearts and minds of our souls. It is time to move above and beyond the symbolsim that is taking place.

cappy 5 weeks 1 day ago
#3

Well, Mia Culpa, I must retract what I have stated in my previous post as I just received a lesson in history while viewing today! -Clarity.

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Alberto Ceras 2 5 weeks 1 day ago
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Quote cappy:

Well, Mia Culpa, I must retract what I have stated in my previous post as I just received a lesson in history while viewing today! -Clarity.

Then do the right thing, cappy. Erase that ugly post. It's simple and easy to do.

Coalage3 5 weeks 1 day ago
#5

If all the confederate statues need to come down, then I want everything with Robert C. Byrd's name on it taken down since he was in the Klan once upon a time. That basically means the entire state of West Virginia gets a makeover. Tear down anything that has Franklin Roosevelt's name on it. After all, its obvious he hated the orientals. While we are at it, tear down the Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial, and Lincoln Memorial. I don't know what Lincoln did, but he's a dead white guy so he must have said something somewhere about some ethnic group.

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DdC 5 weeks 18 hours ago
#6

Coal dust you simply were never taught shame. Or right and wrong. Or is it intentional willful ignorance? Its clear you need an authoritarian faux news pundit to tell you how to act and what to do, and you seem to find it quite comfortable. Now defending bigots, badly as usual. Stand up for something wimp. If you are proud of the racism and treason of the south, Why try to pretend you're not? Or if it was honorable or necessary today. Strom Thurman or Clinton's Drug War would show racism by Dems. Just covered up by a PC title. Using a convert like Byrd, disavowing his membership? Be a man dude, wear your swastika where we can see it, and then disregard your blurbs before wasting time reading them. But at least you would be true to your colors. The most blatent racism is by corporations to the human race in disregarding Science. Global warming, evolution or...

The DEA scheduling system has no scientific basis at all
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/2063

The Racist Roots of Cannabis Prohibition
By oksika On August 4, 2017

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

Why is Marijuana Illegal?
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races.”
Harry J. Anslinger

If anyone truly wants to deal with racism and bigotry then the top priority is the Ganjawar. Its the only remaining legal racism. Real estate and city counsels used to maintain segregation by not selling to minorities. Every inch of land was bought and nothing sold to blacks. Schools were segregated into the 70's. Haven't been back to Pennsylvania since. That was in the suburbs of Pittsburgh. The supposedly liberal area along with Philadelphia. Where they dropped a bomb on a black neighborhood allegedly MOVE members. Burned down a block of homes. The old joke was PA had two major progressive areas, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia everything in between is Alabama. Same with the Drug War giving progressives a bigot card the MSM doesn't include in the deck.

What Happens If You Smoke Cannabis For A Year to Relieve Chronic Pain
Hint: It’s safe and effective https://t.co/4HVcCR9G07

While Drumpf not only protects the guilty...

Sales of prescription opioids in the U.S. nearly quadrupled from 1999 to 2014, but there has not been an overall change in the amount of pain Americans report. During this time period, prescription opioid overdose deaths increased similarly.

The pain killer: A drug company putting profits above patients
The United States' opiate drug problem isn't limited to illegal narcotics. The sale of dangerously addictive painkillers prescribed by our physicians has quadrupled in the past decade, and one company in particular is pushing pain to the legal edge of aggressive medical marketing.

Top pain drugs in the U.S. by revenue 2011-2012
This statistic depicts the top pain drugs in the United States, based on revenue between July 2011 and June 2012. In this period, pain drug Oxycontin generated around 2.8 billion U.S. dollars of revenues.

He freaks out... Then blames the victims.

Opioids crisis: Trump indicates he could soon declare state of emergency

Then goes after the proven remedy for his national emergency.
again with blatant human racism.

Ignorant Jeff: Miner's Lullaby, Drug Overdoses & MMJ
Feds Admit Marijuana May Treat Opiate Crisis

Trump Opiodiots.jpg
Ignorant Jeff: Excluding National Commission Forensic Science

What is the opposite of Leadership, but not followship?
Inept? GOP? Is that redundent?

So I side with those who condemn Trump for reading a prompter two days after the fact he didn't condemn the white supremacist and 3K's when it went down. When he tried to say its all the same and violence is bad but not to the point of calling it domestic terrorism. He said many sides to blame. To be fair no one criticized Joe Biden for terrorizing kids at RAVEs or sentencing disparities. Or Sessions terrorizing Polio Patients using Cannabis Rx. Or kids needing tuition assistence to get out of the Ghetto except they were victims of stop and frisk Nazi laws. Like a coward he is appeasing bigots for votes. But I don't just conclude its a GOP exclusive. Or that Liberal racism doesn't exist as an end and on going result of Diane Feinstein Or Chas Grassley demonizing a group of citizens choosing a safer substance over what is legally available. Forfeitures and arrest numbers and denying someone an organ transplant? Or banning medicinal research after discovering Cannabis shrinks brain tumors? btw that isn't only hurting the blacks with brain tumors.

Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/588

John McCain now has reason to do research that teddy Kennedy was denied. By his own family of Liberals. Mandatory Minimums were paid for by the NRA. Yet when has a Liberal mentioned it when they spread paranoia about guns? Most Blacks and Brown skin people or nowadays lower income people. Can't afford lawyers so either end up pleading guilty and taking a plea bargain or being found guilty without a medicinal use defense due to a gag order. Cops lying in court routinely. Planting evidence or profiling up to 800,000 Americans a year. Now denied college tuition for LIFE. Pell Grants, sometimes voting rights and public assistence for LIFE. No job = homeless.

It's Been Exactly 80 Years Since the US Declared War on Weed —
and Weed Is Still Winning

Because they were arrested for possessing the same thing Obama, Clinton and Bush possessed. Inhaling or not. You want to deal with racism? Or do you want to deal with ignorant crackers using the "N" word? Sticks and stones can break your bones but names can never hurt you. Unless you let them and they do hurt people because the people let them. But the Ganjawar gives no choice. Cannabis has been shown again and again to be safe and the same as the lying cheats terrorizing Planned Parenthood. The Prohibitionists have been proven liars and stalling legislation cheats over and over again. Persecuted for a plant created by Nature with a 4 to 1 ratio of people of color getting busted and serving time to caucasians doing the same act deemed a crime by a convicted crook politician. Wake up DNC, Neocons have no allegiance with the United States.

At least Robert Byrd apologized. What’s your excuse, David Duke?
Republicans of all stripes were right to clobber Donald Trump for his failure to disavow support from David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan. But some Trump supporters are so desperate to somehow prove that Democrats also harbor racists that they are dredging up the name of the late senator Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.)

Nice try. And a pathetic one at that.

In an interview with The Post about his book, Byrd said, “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”

Trump’s failure to denounce Duke, the Klan and the white supremacy they still believe in is a black eye for the Republican Party, an insult to the American people and an affront to our democracy.

That was a link in a chain of Drumpf giving credence to white supremests. The most recent in Charlotsville. Can't hide the white streak down the skunks back or the yellow belly of of a gutless leader like Drumpf.

Duke is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “the most recognizable figure of the American radical right, a neo-Nazi, longtime Klan leader and now international spokesman for Holocaust denial.”

Trump Won't Disavow David Duke, KKK Support, 'I Will Do Research On Them'

David Duke Praises President Trump at White Supremacist Rally Protest in Charlottesville, Virginia

If all the confederate statues need to come down, then I want everything with Robert C. Byrd's name on it taken down since he was in the Klan once upon a time.

Byrd was a Dixiekrat and made a choice to stay with the New Democrats who parted ways with the Southern Diixiekrats. Unlike Thurman who remained a segregationist and joined Nixon with the other southern democrats who joined the GOP when Wallace was taken out of the way, for Nixon to win. It's getting repetitive with you coal dust. Nice try. And a pathetic one at that.

The Republican Party's Race Problem and Strom Thurmond's Legacy
A new book argues that Strom Thurmond left the party with a poisonous legacy on race. By Jordan Michael Smith.
Williamson disputed the debate-ending fact that Southern Democrats transferred to the Republican Party primarily because it was retrograde on racial issues. More honest conservatives, among them National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru, have written candidly of conservatives’ failure to grapple with the history. But Williamson’s is still the dominant view on the right wing.

Anyone doubting the myths conservatives cling to must consult Strom Thurmond’s America, a well-researched new book by Joseph Crespino, a historian at Emory University. The longtime South Carolina senator was representative of the trajectory so many Southern Democrats embarked on in the 1960s. As the Democrats abandoned their longtime hostility to African-Americans’ civil rights in the 1940s, Thurmond and his compatriots moved to the Republican Party. Thurmond “quit the Democratic Party at the high-water mark of the civil-rights revolution, helped Barry Goldwater win five Deep South states in 1964, and led a historic shift of white Southerners into the GOP”.

What Donald Trump didn't say when he talked about white supremacists
Much of the commentary focused on the timing of the statement and why Trump didn't specifically condemn racist hate groups immediately rather than waiting for several days. Yet the statement also lacked one powerful -- and critical -- component: Trump failed to specifically reject support of the white nationalists, racists and bigots who say they back him.

The Racist Ganjawar
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/703
Using the drug war to keep blacks from voting
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/463
Re-Inventing Jim Crow, Targeting The Counter Culture
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/461
White Supremacy: Its Source and Uses
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/692

Coalage3 5 weeks 13 hours ago
#7

The problem with your information is that nobody cares about David Duke. Nobody cares about what he thinks, or what he does. But Robert Byrd was a US senator for over 50 years. So he apologized. That's good, so I guess that excuses him. By that logic, if Trump would apologize then everything would be okay and forgotten. Right? I mean he did call out everybody. Right?

If you are going to start taking down any symbol that happens to offend someone, then why stop with the Civil War?

The only people wearing swatiskas are the Alt-left groups. Who is trying to shut down the free speech of any group that it doesn't like, and willing to use violence to do it? The Alt-left. What groups are clearly intolerant of any discussion not exactly aligned with their interests? The Alt-left. Even the democratic party in general is practicing intolerance. Just announce that you pro-life at the next dem meeting and see how you get treated. Or even worse, announce that you are pro-life and a practicing Christian. Oh the humanity. Do the dems practice their goose steppng at their meetings? Just asking....

Not to mention the clearly anti-science message they keep pushing. Oh, sorry. Unless its global warming and then they all act like they are working for the weather channel. It seems to be me, the only people pushing fascism in the US are coming from the left.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

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Dianereynolds 5 weeks 12 hours ago
#8

Nice work cappy and coalage3. Both of you nailed it. Rewriting history is one of the major goals of the leftie/socialist crowd. Tearing down statues is all to reminiscent of the Taliban in Iraq. I never understood protesting your hatred with mine.

Coalage3 5 weeks 11 hours ago
#9

Now an Alt-left mob descends on Durham: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/mob-rule-in-durham-confederate-statue/

Police did nothing, arrested no one. What an appalling scene — even if you think that Confederate statues should come down. Why was it appalling? Because this is how the rule of law ends: in the violent frenzy of mob action.

This is the ultimate end of identity politics of all kinds. You cannot reason with it. It grounds Truth in identity — in race, in ethnicity, in religion, in sex, and so forth. Its lethal alchemy turns people into arguments, or rather, assertions masquerading as arguments. You cannot argue with an identity politics zealot, because to deny their assertion is to deny their personhood. In turn, you aren’t simply wrong when you disagree with those zealots; you are a threat to their existence. Having depersonalized you, they owe you no respect. The higher cause of asserting and affirming their identity excuses everything.

Again: this is how the rule of law ends, and law is replaced by will to power. An angry mob, no matter what it stands for, is always the enemy of the truth.

That Durham mob (and what it represents) is a far, far greater threat to this country today than Confederate monuments, and what they represent. Where were the police yesterday? Why did they let this happen?

This is a very big deal. You want to see far-right white mobs descending upon civil rights monuments, desecrating them and even tearing them down? That mob in Durham has just laid the groundwork for it. And when the white nationalist mob comes in with clubs swinging, to what is this left-wing mob going to appeal for protection, having defied the same law that protects them and public monuments in their zeal to destroy what offends them?

cappy 5 weeks 8 hours ago
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Quote Dianereynolds:

Nice work cappy and coalage3. Both of you nailed it. Rewriting history is one of the major goals of the leftie/socialist crowd. Tearing down statues is all to reminiscent of the Taliban in Iraq. I never understood protesting your hatred with mine.

Sorry, I did not understand the context of your post. Words and wires do confuse me many times... I do not promote hatred in any way shape or form. We are in a time of great change and I can not even believe we are talking about this type of rhetoric. War, discord and defacing things NEVER has resolved the differences in our world that is all I was saying. -Welcome to eclipse season!!!!

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DdC 5 weeks 8 hours ago
#11

I know the nazi right is all comfy in the land of Denialism.
Here's why. Coal dust, again. Byrd converted while Trump continues taking support from white inferiorists. You can't see it because your fear centers are obese. I tried to warn ya a few years ago.

Dianne you will never get me to shove women under the bus just because you sound like an obedient groupie at a Garth Brooks concert. Most women are stronger than that. You too seem to have lost your cognitive ability to think for yourself. Here's why.

I love the smell of Science in the morning...

As predicted, after 12,000 years+ of daily supplementing the Endocannabinoid System. Then Authoritarian Prohibitionists causing total abstinence to the citizens. Leaving them begging for safety and orders due to larger fear centers in their brains. Whiny orders rom a fool as fear driven as any Authoritarian in past history..

Marijuana administration after a traumatic experience
prevents post-traumatic stress symptoms
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-09/uoh-maa092111.php
Adult brains produce new cells in previously undiscovered area
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-08/uoq-abp081117.php
Could give us new avenues for treating disorders of fear processing, which include anxiety, PTSD and depression...

Ganja for treating Chronic Prohibitionism

Conservatives Have Larger 'Fear Centers' in Their Brains 12 Apr 2011
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1690
British study shows conservatives' brains tend to have larger amygdalas, which responsible for primitive emotions. Conservatives' brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other "primitive" emotions. At the same time, conservatives' brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate -- the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.

There is a cure.

There are no swastika's worn by the left coal dust. Maybe you should look up what a swastika is before making such idiotic comments.

Diane, the only non urinal pissing I do is on Conservatude graves and traitors statues. I'm starting a tour. First stop Nixon.

Coalage3 5 weeks 7 hours ago
#12

If the left wears no swatiskas then why do they want to do away with free speech? Sounds very fascist to me. Why are they so intolerant? Pretty soon the Alt-left will be calling for book bannings because someone is offended. Don't let your progressive neighbor find out you have a copy of "Huckleberry Finn". Did you hear the new one? Dr. Seuss is rascist now.

It's funny how much things have changed. The democrats used to be the party of the working man. Now they are the party of elitists, bigots, fascists, and corporate America.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

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DdC 5 weeks 7 hours ago
#13
If the left wears no swatiskas then why do they want to do away with free speech?

Like by running over women with cars?

Why are they so intolerant? Pretty soon the Alt-left will be calling for book bannings because someone is offended.

Like the southern stratergists did to Beatle records?

I'm personally against all censorship, including banning the "N" word in lit. Especially when the GOPers censor medicinal research.
Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/588

It's funny how much things have changed. The democrats used to be the party of the working man. Now they are the party of elitists, bigots, fascists, and corporate America.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

You have a weird sense of humor if you think oppression is funny. The small case democrats and republicans have been usurped by the Neocons serving the G-20 with no allegiance to the U.S. Now the Unions protect the corporations and government thugs more than workers who's jobs were outsourced. You side with the Wall St fascist and whine about poor people protesting. That is just as lame and weak as it gets in my book. R.E. Lee was a convicted Traitor who killed 50,000 Americans trying to preserve slavery. That you think is their right or liberty or freedom to do. Same as Nixon killing thousands of Americans sabotaging the Paris Peace talks making deals with the enemy in Vietnam. if they surrendered after the election. Or the millions of Americans persecuted by the drug war based on Conservatude lies. I see you really like being dumbed down in school and by the MSM so I'll let you deal with your torment in peace. For now.

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DdC 5 weeks 7 hours ago
#14
What will these people say when a right-wing mob tears down a statue of Dr. King? What would these people say if a mob of pro-life zealots tore down an abortion clinic,

Hey Braindead. MLK never advocated killing whites as the White Inferiorists do and have done to people of color. Are you advocating an end to Neonazi's and the alt reich by the same means they stopped the person Martin Luther King? Not the message that is stronger than ever. As for abortion clinics. You've already been there done that.

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue,
The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

Don't you realize when the Neocons come for the citizens they will come for NRA members first? Those stupid enough to put their names on the membership list. The first thing that will be confiscated.

Coalage3 5 weeks 6 hours ago
#15

Beatle records? Is that the best you got? Why do you always avoid answering simple questions? Its okay...don't bother. I know you can't answer. The running over of the woman in Charlottesville was a horrible tragedy. Now why does the left want to suppress free speech? Why does the left want to tear down statues, as if that is going to change history? Apparently, being offended is no longer allowed in this country. MLK might have been a great man and civil rights leader, but there may be some people somewhere in this country who don't agree. According to your logic and way of thinking from the left, their grievances must be heard and acted upon no matter how illogical it appears to the majority.

And if you think the democrats still represent and work for the interests of the working men and women in this country, you are either deluded or naive, or maybe both.

I'm not worried about the neocons coming for me. I'm more worried that the Alt-left will come knocking. After all, their feeling might be hurt.

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DdC 5 weeks 6 hours ago
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Beatle records? Is that the best you got?

It's an example. I'd say censoring medicinal research is a more devastating example.

Why do you always avoid answering simple questions?

I don't. Why do you make such a claim? I answered every question, even the nonsense of you comparing MLK to David Duke.

Its okay...don't bother.

No problem showing you that your protecting mass murderers like Lee is not what America stands for, quite the opposite actually. King George did the same as the GOPers kicking down doors. Protecting big pharma profits over Americans health is oppression the same as segregation and lynching.

I know you can't answer.

Isn't it blatantly clear you don't know jack shit enough to even ask pertinent questions.

The running over of the woman in Charlottesville was a horrible tragedy.

Tolerance eh?

Now why does the left want to suppress free speech?

Screaming fire in crowded theaters is not covered by free speech. Promoting hate and violence as the 3K and White Inferiorists do is also not considered free speech. I know its over your tiny brains ability to see it. But when you create victims then it is not free speech. Pulling down the statue of a murdering killer is a service to mankind.

Why does the left want to tear down statues,
as if that is going to change history?

Because we don't worship mass murderers the same as we don't put up statues to remember Polio or the Plague. History was changed when Lee got his ass whooped. Now we aim to prevent it from happening again.

Robert Reich: Trump Is Trying to Start a Civil War
White supremacy was part of his political strategy from the start...

Divide and conquer dude.
Do you really think protecting slavery was worth destroying the country?
Party over country is the base of fascism and you took it hook line and sinker.

Coalage3 5 weeks 5 hours ago
#17

If you want to take down the statues, then go ahead. But then be aware that any other statues or symbols that some other group finds offensive will also have to come down as well. What's fair game for one group is fair game for the other.

Divide and conquer? Then I would be asking the mayor of Charlottesville and Governor McAuliffe why they told the police to stand down. Why did they allow this violence to escalate? Maybe they wanted a little action to take place. Maybe it got a little out of hand. McAuliffe has told so many lies in connection with this incident that he will have to have a nose job. If I were the parents of the dead girl, I would be suing the perps, the driver of the car, the mayor of Charlottesville, the governor of VA, and the VA state police for millions and millions.

If we don't worship murderers, then why is Grant's Tomb not being taken down? Is it because he was on the "winning side"? What convoluted logic...

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Dianereynolds 5 weeks 4 hours ago
#18

Somehow I suspect this statue in Seattle is quite safe from the malcontent leftie/socialist bed wetters.

And tax it at $10/joint with all the tax money going to build the wall which will support US manufacturers. Thus, Mexico will pay for the wall.

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DdC 5 weeks 8 min ago
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No di, Mexico is paying for the Wall, remember?

Quote coaldust: If you want to take down the statues, then go ahead.

Not all statues. Its not a grievance against statues you seem confused about. Comparing MLK to Duke. Just the obscene ones portraying mass murdering traitors. Why is that so hard to understand? We have statues on the Left Coast. We make them out of melted down guns.

But then be aware that any other statues or symbols that some other group finds offensive will also have to come down as well.

A switch from Jewish Temples and Hot Dog stands fronting for Hilary? lololol Finding something offensive is a matter of taste. Mass murder and treason is not the same. Worshipping such vermin is insane and insanity is not the basis for taking a wingnut serious. if they are offended by not being permitted to lynch blacks, good I hope they get indigestion. Like I said you have no clue about right or wrong unless Fauxnews tells you what it is. That's sad.

What's fair game for one group is fair game for the other.

Only a psycho would think such thoughts. You saying Manson or Pol Pot should have a statue? Jeffrey Dalmer might be more in your taste. A group spouting equality for blacks is in no way a comparison for thugs who want to hate groups of people because of skin pigments. Even hating the haters is wrong and most are peaceful demonstrations your kind used to hose down with firehoses. Learn the difference between murderers and Peaceniks and then reply. Your childish tit for tat doesn't make sense. Nazi's were killing American troops and that makes them the enemy. You want to build statues for them, fine. It would show your true colors instead of repeating comments by well paid memo readers. It will last about as long as it takes the pigeons to crap on it.

Divide and conquer? Then I would be asking the mayor of Charlottesville and Governor McAuliffe why they told the police to stand down.

I'd first ask for a source to your comment. I heard McAulife tell the Klan to leave and not come back. I saw the cops arrest the alt reich wingnut after the cowards try to blame it on a protester and naturally drugs must have been involved in the minds of giant fear centers. Stand down from what? You think the 3K's planned to send a wingnut into a crowd of women and children? I saw Americans standing up for Freedom over Nazi thugs invoking violence. They gave them permits to march, is that what you mean by standing down? Killing a young woman is domestic terrorism and should be tried as a terrorist and placed in Abu Grave.

Why did they allow this violence to escalate?

Allow? Disgust allowed the protest to escalate and I agree when groups have agendas to beat up people with differing opinions and run women over with cars. Maybe they should have stood up for the people of Charlotte and denied the fascist wannabes a permit. Stating grievances is ok but not the violence the Inferiorists preach. That's not hard for any 3rd grade student. Why are you so confused?

Maybe they wanted a little action to take place.
Maybe it got a little out of hand.

Maybe? Like Ganja dude, it is or it isn't. Violence escalated because violent people were marching. Met by peaceful protesters objecting to hate and slavery and segregation and your masters keeping you poor while stealing your votes based on hogwash. Remember dude, most of the poor live in rural areas with caucasian color skin. Trump voters or cannabils? Devouring yourseves in the name of tinkledown. Even the Turtle's Senate and Ayn Ryan fascist House opposed Drumpf. You and Didi seem to be his only supporters.

McAuliffe has told so many lies in connection with this incident that he will have to have a nose job.

Typical to demonize those speaking out against the hate and violence. Refs? Like Drumpf the gutless wonder. Couldn't wait until after the murder of the young woman to cut down the what 4th or 5th person to resign from his cabinet? McCauliffe said what governors are supposed to say when tragedy strikes from vicious people intent on doing harm to citizens. It wasn't the protesters running over redneck women. Get it straight.

If I were the parents of the dead girl, I would be suing the perps, the driver of the car, the mayor of Charlottesville, the governor of VA, and the VA state police for millions and millions.

Maybe they will but again no one predicted this murder by vehicle except maybe David Duke ordered the nazi thug. It is illogical to blame the victims and I agree suing the Klan and Inferiorists is how they rid us of them before. Bankrupt their ass. The cops and guv are not psychics so I see no case here. But then if you are suing every government official you have to start with Donald Jackass Drumpf.

If we don't worship murderers, then why is Grant's Tomb not being taken down?

Self Defense. Not murder. Remember the traitor Lee committed treason on we the people and these United States. Not reversed. You think the 4 dead students at Kent State were shooting the modern day Militia? Or National Guard as it was named in 1908.You really have a problem with reality it seems. Are you autistic and reading things as backwards as you're posting them? Grant and the generals smoked hashish and drank booze during the war. Probably never heard a shot from their tents. Like most generals and politicians and chickenhawks waging wars.

Is it because he was on the "winning side"? What convoluted logic...

That's With God On Our Side. No, it was a human endeavor to cull the herd of white trash. Slavery became a waste of profits after the Industrial Revolution. The Great Migration sent them to cities to do cheap construction and pay for their own room and board. The rednecks were one notch above the slaves they guarded. Minimum wagers fighting for less pay as they do with right to work for less states. Sheep following orders as I see it. Grant got through the war as everyone gets through wars. Nothing to win.

Again...

Inch by inch, step by step, the prohibitionists (mostly conservatude) with chronic prohibitionism will enlarge their brain fear centers until their heads pop like over ripe zits.

After 12,000 years of human co-existance with the cannabis plant. To supplement the ECS (EndoCannabinoid System). The early 20th Century Prohibition = total abstinence for generations. Larger fear centers, less independent thought and more dependence on authoritarian figures telling them how to act and what to say. Sheep.

Ganja for treating Chronic Prohibitionism

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British study shows conservatives’ brains tend to have larger amygdalas, which responsible for primitive emotions. Conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other “primitive” emotions. At the same time, conservatives’ brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate — the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.

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Coalage3 4 weeks 6 days ago
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Only a psycho would dispute that not everyone agrees with him or her. And if you think that that taking down of statues is going to stop with the Civil War era, you are hopelessly naive. And yes, the police "allowed" the violence to escalate. After watching the videos, that is pretty apparent. The officials have even admitted the police were told to stand down. Why is that? They will be paying money to the family of the victim. Trump did not order the police to stand down, nor did he have anything to do with issuing a permit. You really need to quit twisting the events to suit your distorted vision.

McAuliffe is supposed to tell the truth (of course he used to work with the Clintons, so he learned from the obfuscation masters). He did not do that. A VA state police official, for one, has already disputed McAuliffe's statement that the police were "outgunned". If the governor wanted the Klan to leave, he should have made sure that the permit to march was not issued in the first place. Or he should have instructed the police to break up the rally once it was apparent that the situation was escalating.

Grant was a pot smoker as well as a drunk? No wonder you like him. You think the murders he ordered (or Sherman) are okay as compared to the murders ordered by Lee.

So I suppose you think the murders ordered by Mao, or Stalin, or the Khmer Rouge are okay too since they advanced a leftist society?

I get it...violence is okay as long as it promotes or upholds the leftist/progressive/democratic agenda. No more need to explain.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

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Dianereynolds 4 weeks 5 days ago
#21

You will have to wait awhile for a response as the room needs airing and a pizza run is needed.

Coalage3 4 weeks 5 days ago
#22

Another view of Trump's press remarks: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/what-trump-got-right-about-charlottesville/

Excerpts:

The meat of Trump’s answer can be broken down into parts. First, he praised the young woman who was murdered, called the driver who ran her over a disgrace to his country, wasn’t certain of the semantics whether he should be accused of terrorism or murder.

Second, he asked a reporter for a definition of the alt-right, a term probably as imprecise as “socialist”—and perhaps a reasonable way of expressing uncertainty about the actual center of gravity of a seemingly elastic group that includes such disparate ideological figures as Trump’s own American nationalist aide Steve Bannon, the white nationalist Richard Spencer, and the neo-Nazis Spencer has invited into his tent. Third, he reaffirmed the statement he made on Saturday, condemning in the strongest possible terms bigotry and violence.

Then he fatefully threw out the red meat, denouncing what he called the “alt left,” or “Antifa,” which showed up in Charlottesville, without a permit, intending, as was evident to anyone paying attention to the group’s past actions, on physically attacking those attending the alt-right demonstration. He reiterated his previous statement that there was “blame on both sides.” He repeated his disdain for “neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” saying they should be “condemned totally.” Then he noted that some people had come simply to protest the taking down of the Robert E. Lee statue, erected over a hundred years ago.

So how did the media report this message, in which he singled out for condemnation white nationalists and neo-Nazis, lamented the violence on both sides, and posited that many people involved were “fine people” demonstrating for relatively normal things—that is, for the maintenance of a statue, or protesting against the alt-right’s bigotry?

It was hard to miss. Headline after headline streaming on the news chyrons on CNN and MSNBC asserted that Trump had defended Nazis, while the transcript (and a video) shows plainly and unambiguously he had done nothing of the sort. Commentators on the two major cable channels were hysterical, some guests labeling Trump a white supremacist, wondering why Jared and Ivanka or the minority members of his administration had not abandoned him. A New York Times story records the “chills” experienced by Chuck Todd upon hearing Trump, the shock of Jake Tapper.

Trump had committed the unpardonable sin, in their eyes, of denouncing left wing extremism. Those who watched video of the event could see, quite plainly, that the antifa were intent on instigating violence, far more than the LARPing Nazis or pathetic Klansmen.

In his sometimes clumsy way, Trump was making the same point as New York Times reporter Sheryl Gay Stolberg, who was on the ground in Charlottesville covering the event. She noticed that the far left counter-protesters were intent on instigating violence and tweeted that “the hard left seemed as hate-filled as the alt-right. I saw club-wielding ‘antifa’ beating white nationalists being led out of the park.” Later, perhaps sensing she was in danger of transgressing some sort of unofficial party line, she amended her thought. She added that the leftists were “violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate.” Of course, “standing up to hate” (of whites) is exactly what the alt right would say they are doing as well.

Stolberg’s original tweet, and her need to amend it, are telling. There has been a huge upsurge in left wing violence during the past year. At one extreme, a Bernie Sanders volunteer recently tried to murder the GOP congressional leadership, severely wounding Congressman Steve Salise. Murders of police officers are accelerating, in some cases cold blooded assassinations by Black Lives Matter supporters. Right wing speakers such as Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, Charles Murray and Ben Shapiro are regularly prevented—by violence—from speaking on college campuses. Pro-Trump rallies have been cancelled under threat of leftist violence in “tolerant” Portland. Those attending a pro-Trump inaugural ball, “the Deploraball,” were pelted by batteries and bottles and chants of “Nazi Scum” by the same antifa who were protesting in Charlotte. (My wife and I were among those targeted). The Deploraball organizers had in fact gone to considerable lengths to bar white nationalists from involvement in the planning or speaking; it was a pro-Trump, multicultural, and multiracial celebration. But for the antifa, and the vast swarm of left wing social justice warriors, any kind of Trump supporter is “Nazi Scum” by definition, people whose First Amendment rights to speak and gather should be denied.

It was probably Trump’s awareness of this—an extremely important social fact sedulously ignored by vast legions of mainstream media—that prompted Trump to speak out against the violence of both sides. In doing so, he displayed a far more sophisticated understanding of the overall context of political violence in this country than the media mavens who ritually disdain him.

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Robindell 4 weeks 4 days ago
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Given the fact that the Nazis killed over 6 million Jews, and that it seemed as if quite a few of the white supremacist or national or alt right marchers were referring to Jews in a hateful way, and one of the instrumental guys of the rally, in an interview, expressed hatred of Jered Kushner, even though these people are too uneducated and dumb to know anything about Jews or Judiasm, and given that a reporter was present said that it seemed to him that the right wing extremists were more aggressive than were the anti-hate protesters, and given that Republican Senator John McCaine issued a statement critical of equivocating on hate, and that Republican Senator Bob Corker issued a more specific, even stronger statement, and that corporate CEOs on Trump's manufacturing council either already had resigned or were intending to, all of these red herring, diversion comments ignore that rabid hate is much more danagerous than protesters who might have responded inapprorpiately to the presence of that hate. Wasn't it Republican Spiro Agnew, from the neighboring state of Maryland, who complained about outside agitators stirring things up. Trump read a statement at one moment, and spoke spontanouesly at another time. Not allowing some controversial speakers on some college campuses has absolutely nothing to do with the message of hate from far-right bigots. The bigots were able to march on the UVA campus on this occassion. This has nothing to do the media. Some small-minded people who apparently think hate isn't all that bad don't see what other prominent people see: that leadership involves priorities. There is a time to comment on on different details about a an even, and a time to chose a priority representing civilization. There are some people, due to their parents, or due to poor teaching at school, can't tell the basic difference between right and wrong, say, between the Germans and Japanese, and the allies, during World War II. Or falsely saying that taking down statues is rewriting history, when any number of college professors have recommended relocating these statues in museums, which are educational institutions, in order to put them in historical context.

Coalage3 4 weeks 1 day ago
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You said: "The bigots were able to march on the UVA campus on this occassion".

Yes, its called freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. Do you people on the left remember your classes in school as you were growing up? You did learn about the first amendment, didn't you?

If you want the white supremacists to "go away", just quit paying any attention to them. Nobody cares about these people. They don't represent enough in numbers for anyone to care. And if somehow you think the conservatives/republicans care what they think, you are sadly mistaken. Every time someone shows up to protest at one of their rallies, it is just going to embolden them to hold even more rallies. Thanks to the media for fulfilling the wishes of these fringe groups on the right and the left. After all, what's the point of having a rally if no one pays any attention?

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