In the 1998 Angela Davis essay Masked Racism: Reflections on the Prison Industrial Complex she writes that the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest U.S. private prison company, identified California and women as their “new frontier”. This the result of prison privatization and private capital enmeshed purely for financial gain, white washed by trading on Wall Street, a growth industry for the wealthy elites. Davis details how profit by punishment is disturbingly built on racist ideologies & structures. She tells us about “The Color of Imprisonment - 70 percent of the imprisoned population are people of color, the fastest growing group of prisoners are black women and that Native American prisoners are the largest group per capita.” That was in 1998.

Masked Racism: Reflections on the Prison Industrial Complex

The Sentencing Project reflects the targeted female prey of our corporate & US government with these numbers:

The number of women in prison increased by 646% between 1980 and 2010, rising from 15,118 to 112,797

Including women in local jails, more than 205,000 women are now incarcerated.

The number of women in prison increased at nearly 1.5 times the rate of men (646% versus 419%).

In 2010, black women were incarcerated at nearly 3 times the rate of white women (133 versus 47 per 100,000). Hispanic women were incarcerated at 1.6 times the rate of white women (77 versus 47 per 100,000).

More than one million women are behind bars or under the control of the criminal justice system, making women the fastest growing segment of the incarcerated population increasing at nearly double the rate of men since 1985.

INCARCERATED WOMEN - The Sentencing Project

With “our” white males leading the corporate way, we see the incarceration of Black women as just another deceitful debasement of the sacred masculine energy by imposing their male privilege in order to subordinate women, especially Women of Color – simply for their greedy grubby bank accounts.

The women who end up in the nightmare of “our” prisons are then additionally victimized by “our” male captors through frequent sexual abuse. This then is extended out in to “our” culture and we have not come very far from the days when white plantation owners sexually used their female slaves. Essentially now institutionalized and why we saw a in June a white male police officer threw a Black teen age girl down to the ground in a vociferous effort to push her face in to the ground while he grappled & groped her bikinied body.

This then brings the the vile and deadly sexist and racist attitude of the male officers who murdered Sandra Bland, Rekia Boyd, Tanisha Anderson (Cleveland), 7-year-old Aiyana Stanley-Jones (Detroit), Yvette Smith (Bastrop, Texas), Miriam Carey, Shantel Davis, Shereese Francis (New York City) Tarika Wilson (Lima, Ohio) 92 year old Kathryn Johnston(Atlanta), Alberta Spruill (New York City) Kendra James (Portland), Alesia Thomas (Los Angeles) Malissa Williams (Cleveland), Darnisha Harris (Breaux Bridge, Louisiana), Shelly Frey (Houston), Miriam Carey (Washington, D.C.), Yvette Smith (Bastrop, Texas).

These 15 Black Women Were Killed During Police ...

What does it take to make White Americans wake up to how uncivilized and inhumane we really are?

When are we going to stop "our" atrocities of mayhem and bloody lust here on the soils of the United States of America?

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Aliceinwonderland's picture
Aliceinwonderland 2 years 9 weeks ago
#1

This white gal is awake and listening. Thanks for a great post, liloby. I hope others listen too.

Karl Leon Lennon's picture
Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 9 weeks ago
#2

You make a lot of great points and the overall issue is one which we should all be concerned about. However, some of your contentions are totally incorrect and detract from your otherwise good writing.

Your contention that women of color (and men of color) are disproportionately represented in the prison system is misleading. If you take the time to review FBI crime statistics, people of color are actually underrepresented based on their overrepresentation as those who actually commit the crimes. Whites are actually overrepresented relative to the crimes they commit. I know, statistics can be a pain when you have an ax to grind.

Your description of the cop at the Texas pool party is simply grotesque. He did not fondle the girl and was responding to aggression by her and the other teens who had menacingly surrounded him. That is clear in the video so you don't do yourself any favors by your distortion of easily verifiable fact.

And finally your insupportable assertion that the police murdered Sandra Bland is simply absurd. There is no evidence at this point to suggest that she was murdered and prudence would suggest that the verdict await the arrival of evidence, either pro or con.

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Aliceinwonderland 2 years 8 weeks ago
#3

Baloney, Karl. Blacks are over-represented in our prison system. You are seven or eight times as likely to get arrested for petty, inconsequential "crimes" (i.e. minor traffic violations, marijuana, jaywalking) if you're black. But like you say: "statistics can be a pain when you've an axe to grind".

Regarding the pool party incident, I watched that video too. The only "aggression" coming from that girl was verbal, not physical, and it did not warrant her being yanked by her hair and hog-tied.

Pssst! One more thing. Sandra Bland was murdered.

Just another white boy distorting the facts and calling it "reality".

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#4

Right on Aliceinwonder land. . .

Karl'S baloney does not support his salami. . . and once again the ever present white male privilege to step in with "his". . . "However". . . After all who cares for actual statistics? I thought guys loved statistics. . . well, I guess it just depends on what he likes and tosses out the rest, eh?

On some level it appears Karl LL got it - what the officer did with those kid was "grotesque", by running around while yelling crude obscenities, by pulling out his gun, waving it like a crazed maniac, all self imposed by his own lack of self control . . . I continue to be astonished - it would be silly if he wasn't a white guy with a gun and a badge.

If the alleged 'law enforcement' allege Sandra Bland herself said she was suicidal this begs the question - then why was a trash bag or any other long piece of clothing in her possession? Why wasn't she under suicide watch? Or in the hospital? I don't buy it - I do not believe that Sandra Bland believed her Black Life did not matter. No way no how.

Sandra Bland's Black Life Mattered and that out of control officer exemplifies law enforcement out of control. Where hapless citizens are made into a dangerous criminal just because they didn't put their turn signal on. Are you kidding?

By this analysis, where I live in at least 92 % of us here in California would be dragged off to jail - to await our execution - because we didn't put our turn signal on.

No, I do not think so.

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Roland de Brabant 2 years 8 weeks ago
#5

Sixty years ago American's were terrified by 1984, but now that we are past there, all is calm. It seems that the videoscreens were just as effective as Orwell predicted.

Roland

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Palindromedary 2 years 8 weeks ago
#6

There is no evidence, based upon the coroner's examination, that Bland was murdered. She obviously committed suicide. And by the way, based upon the FBI statistics of 2013, Whites murdered 2755 people (they murdered 189 blacks); blacks murdered 2698 people (they murdered 409 whites). So Blacks murdered about twice as many white people as whites murdered black people. And since blacks are only about 1/7 of the total population why is their murder rate so high compared to whites? Blacks, being a smaller population than the White population should be about 1/7th of what is currently is. Blacks should have only murdered about 398 people total to be on a par with whites. In other words, they have murdered 7 times as many people, as a percentage of their population, as white have, as a percentage of their population.

Some people want you to believe that more blacks are in prison for relatively minor crimes and that whites don't suffer that problem. But they do. Lots of whites are in prison for the same relatively minor crimes. eg: drug use or driving while intoxicated. It's the same kind of nonsense logic that those same people use when trying to convince others that blacks are pulled over and roughed up or killed just because they are black. It is not "driving while black" it's "driving while intoxicated" and that is a very dangerous crime that often kills lots of innocent people...even children. It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are caught doing a crime, and you sass or argue with the cop, don't follow lawful orders, resist arrest, etc. you are totally risking very bad consequences. If you are dumb enough to not have some self-control in that situation, you will likely suffer what you have reaped.

Remember, FBI statistics of 2013 shows that blacks have murdered twice as many whites as whites have killed blacks.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the...

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 8 weeks ago
#7

Reply to Aliceinwonderland and liloby: You know, you might want to tone down the insults and insupportable allegations because you don't come out looking so good as a result. Also, hurling insults is a pretty good indication that you are losing the argument.

On the statistics you are just plain wrong. I get mine from the annual FBI Crime Statistics and the latest numbers are summarized by Palindromedary above, which you can readily verify yourselves at the above-referenced site. Just a couple of facts from 2013 show that blacks committed 52% of the murder and 56% of the robbery in the US and are over represented in every category of crime except drunk driving where they are on par with their 13% of the population. Hispanics committed 22% of the murders and 20% of the robbery, so on those statistics alone people of color (POC) committed 74% of the murder and 76% of the robbery in 2013. You stated above that 70% of the people in prison are POC and I said they were underrepresented which is verified by those statistics. That POC are picked up more frequently for minor crimes is in line with those statistics. The difference between you and me is that I want to look at reality as it is and you clearly want reality to fit your agenda. I don't really care which group is right or wrong or what color, sex or ethnicity they are, but I do care when you fudge the numbers to suit your agenda.

The pool party video clearly shows the cop trying to clear the area, repeatedly telling a gang of girls to leave so that they can sort out the rest of the situation. One girl continually mouthed off and refused to leave and guess what - she finally pushed the cop too far and he took her down. Then a gang of three girls attacked him from in front and two males sneaked up behind him and that's when he drew his gun. I don't know if the cop was over the top or not because there was a lot that happened before the video but he certainly felt threatened at that point. Even black eye witnesses said that there was a lot of trespassing with young blacks scaling the fence to enter the pool illegally. There was also violence and that's when the police were called. So when you make ridiculous statements like the cop was "pulling out his gun, waving it like a crazed maniac, all self imposed by his own lack of self control" and "her being yanked by her hair and hog-tied" you just loose all your credibility. There's lots going on here but when you willfully make it up as you go along you just end up looking ridiculous.

And one of you categorically says Sandra Bland was murdered and the other hedges saying maybe she committed suicide but you don't believe it. Guess you might want to sort that one out for yourselves. As for me, I will wait for some actual evidence, but I'm sure you won't let something as minor as evidence get in the way of your "story". And saying she was criminalized because she didn't turn on her turn signal is way beyond silly and makes you appear to not have bothered with the actual video at all. I'm sure you know better and you would do well to make some small effort to deal with the facts instead of your own fantasy. My dad had a great saying, many years ago when he said: "The problem with Americans is they believe their own bullsh*t." You might want to think about that.

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Palindromedary 2 years 8 weeks ago
#8

And to think that all that cop was going to do was give her a warning ticket. She could have been on her way if it wasn't for her bad attitude and sassy mouth. It makes me wonder if she wasn't deliberately trying to provoke that cop so that he would do something to her that would give her an opportunity to sue that community. And the fact that Sandra Bland was from Chicago (Barryland) and so were the organizers of that "pool party" in Texas may be just the tip of the iceberg. Are all these troublemakers invading Texas in order to provoke racial hate and discord resulting in possible money-making law suits? Let's keep our eyes open on that possibility.. if any more of these things happen... it might just add to the evidence that that is what is happening.

Karl Leon Lennon's picture
Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 8 weeks ago
#9

Reply to Aliceinwonderland #3: "Pssst! One more thing. Sandra Bland was murdered."

Got any more gems for us?

liloby's picture
liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#10

Generally I have found that guys that need to take up a lot of space with words, with made up statistics based on opinions or ignorant beliefs, there isn't much rationality that can be reasonably responded to. When faced with this strange male emotional outburst I realize something else is going on, something that makes him go completely off target about the simple, dangerous act which caused Sandra Bland's murder- for allegedly not turning her turn signal on.

When faced with a male who pontificates I yawn, bored with the trite, worn our rhetoric. I say oh well. . .this is why our country is such a mess, devolving into more uncivilized barbaric behaviors. And thus, I then agree to disagree with the disagreeable mean and punitive spirited male.

At some point it is reasonable to determine that sometimes law enforcement officers are out of control. We have so many documented episodes. To deny this is unrealistic.

I do not share with you fellas your slavish belief in the FBI. A group I refer as FBI Federal Boys Incompetent. They didn't manage to stop the 911 attact but they've done excellent work by assassinating thousands of our Black citizens.

All Power to the People! - Top Documentary Films

COINTELPRO - How the FBI Sabotaged Black America, A .WATCH: "The Assassination of Fred Hampton: How the FBI ...The FBI's War on Black America - Top Documentary Film

Aliceinwonderland's picture
Aliceinwonderland 2 years 8 weeks ago
#11

Yeah Karl, I've got plenty more gems for us. When time allows, more to follow. In the meantime, you can just kiss my white female liberal socialist fucking ASS.

Dexterous's picture
Dexterous 2 years 8 weeks ago
#12
Quote Aliceinwonderland:

Yeah Karl, I've got plenty more gems for us. When time allows, more to follow. In the meantime, you can just kiss my white female liberal socialist fucking ASS.

One question Acid Annie, do you eat with that filthy mouth?

BTW. Sandra Bland was arrested because her mouth outran her brain.

Karl Leon Lennon's picture
Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 8 weeks ago
#13

Reply to liloby #10 and Alice... #11: Ha, ha, ha! You two are a joke and you just keep digging your hole deeper with evasions and insults. Oh, I see now FBI statistics are bogus: back it up, citation please? Come on, let's have a reply to the fact that both of you were totally off the wall with your contention that Bland was murdered. Cat got your tongue? Reply to a single aspect of my analysis. Can't do it - stop running your foul mouths. You are done, done and done!

liloby's picture
liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#14

Sandra Bland was targeted because she was Black and Female.

The white male officer spotted her and quickly decided - like domestic batterers do - to stalk his prey.

He then went hysterical - a stellar yet woeful example of a male domestic batterer - not in control.

He was enraged - as can be heard in his rising screeching voice - his anger and malevolence - because he was not obeyed.

A public service employee - with a gun & a badge - who demonstrated all by himself he could not control himself.

He could not compose himself in order to do his duty.

He ignored his professional cannons of duty, in his self absorbed quest for domination and subordination of his illicitly captured prey.

It is irrefutable - he was out of control by the nature of his own emotions and impervious to Sandra's humanity.

After all the switcherooneys done by his law department- to cover up their murder- I now believe that the turn signal issue was made up by the officer so he could get his sick megalomaniacal fix of quashing a Black Woman.

There is no reasonable reason or law to support arresting someone for not turning the signal on.

Sandra was right to ask him if he felt like a "he-man" after he threw her head into the ground. Sandra knew that this male dressed in law enforcement clothing was acting out some strange unconscious juvenile fantasy - completely unrelated to law or order. Sandra knew he was a bully and that's why she was murdered.

Karl Leon Lennon's picture
Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 8 weeks ago
#15

Reply to liloby #14: Too bad all the facts say the exact opposite. Do you think repeating your fantasy over and over again will make it any more than your own racist delusion? Keep trying - maybe if you say it 100,000 times it will suddenly be true.

Good luck with that!

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#16

Hmm. . . I guess CNN has fantasy's too. . .

perhaps this speaks more to your own fantasies & frustrations, eh Karl L L?

Hmm. . .I wonder why we don't have a video of white officers - in the line of duty - groping and grabbing white 14 year old teen age girls?

Holding the girl by his knees - on top of her back & buttocks?

Or shoving white teenage boys head first in to the sidewalk?

Hmm. . .I wonder why ?

Texas pool party chaos: Police officer resigns - CNN.comwith Traffic Stops Gone Bad

www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/mckinney-texas-pool-party-video

"CNN)Just days after a video that went viral online showed him yanking a 14-year-old bikini-clad girl to the ground and kneeling on her back, Eric Casebolt has resigned from his post as a corporal for the Police Department in McKinney, Texas.

The video posted to YouTube showing the police response to reports of fighting at a pool party sparked swift allegations of racism. Critics decried the white officer for cursing at several black teenagers, slamming the girl to the ground and unholstering his gun. . .

At a press conference Tuesday announcing Casebolt's resignation, the city's police chief called his actions in the video indefensible.

"Our policies, our training, our practice, do not support his actions," Police Chief Greg Conley said. "He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident."

White witness: It was racially motivated

Brandon Brooks, the 15-year-old white teen who shot the video, said there's no doubt race was a factor in how police responded. He said the officer was targeting black teens at the scene.

"I was one of the only white people in the area when that was happening," he told CNN affiliate KDAF. "You can see in part of the video where he tells us to sit down, and he kinda like skips over me and tells all my African-American friends to go sit down."

Texas pool party chaos: Police officer resigns - CNN.com with Traffic Stops Gone Bad

www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/mckinney-texas-pool-party-video

liloby's picture
liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#17

Can a routine traffic stop lead to death?Yes, if you are Sandra Bland in Waller County jail where the head sheriff had another suicide in "his" jail . . .Can a routine traffic stop lead to an arrest?

Assessing the Legality of Sandra Bland's Arrest - The New

Failure to use a turn signal is technically an arrestable offense in Texas, though it rarely happens, according to Andrea Roth, an expert in criminal procedure who works as an assistant law professor at the University of California, Berkeley. Rebecca Robertson, the legal and policy director for A.C.L.U. in Texas, said, “The initial stop should not have resulted in an arrest.” Trooper Encinia could have just handed Ms. Bland a ticket through the window and let her drive away, she said.

Escalating Force

Trooper Encinia reaches into the car to remove Ms. Bland. Ms. Bland refuses to cooperate. He repeats “You are under arrest” and requests backup. After a struggle, Trooper Encinia pulls out a taser and yells, “I will light you up.” Ms. Bland exits the car.

Steven McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a news conference that Trooper Encinia had not complied with the department’s courtesy policy and procedures, including “letting the individual know what action is going to be taken.”

"Friends and relatives have expressed skepticism at police statements that Ms. Bland killed herself, and they have called for an independent autopsy. “Based on the Sandy that I knew, that's unfathomable to me,” another sister of Ms. Bland’s, Sharon Cooper, said at a news conference in Chicago. "

Karl Leon Lennon's picture
Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 8 weeks ago
#18

To liloby #16 &17: My you've been busy. Yes, actually the one cop probably was over the line at the Texas pool party, but you are very selective in what you choose to look at. Others, including local black residents admitted that there was a huge problem with the young blacks kids crashing the party, trespassing by climbing over the fence at the private pool and instigating violence. You selectively seem to want to ignore the reason the cops were called in in the first place.

It was a chaotic scene and I will cut the cops more slack than you will, but I do agree that the one cop was probably out of control. Unlike you however, I say probably because from what I have read and seen, there is a lot that happened that we haven't seen.

And you know, I offer this from experience and with good intentions. You make lots of good points but then you just blow it by sailing off into hyperbole. I have been caught on other threads doing the same thing and it is really hard to dig yourself out of the hole once you're in it. For example: "groping and grabbing white 14 year old teen age girls." Well there was one girl and he was rough with her but why spoil it with a plural and with "groping and grabbing?" As I have said before, you were doing OK and then you just shot yourself in the foot.

There is nothing else you posted that I haven't seen about the party and our only difference, in my opinion, is that you really want to "stick it to the man" and I am more inclined to try to see the whole picture - assign blame where justified and that includes some of the kids as well as the one cop. From what I saw, the other cops seemed to be trying to do the right thing and most of the kids seemed pretty cool.

Back to Ms. Bland: Again, why do you keep stating the indefensible? You've got lots of good points and you might be surprised to learn that I don't disagree with all of what you say. However, you and others keep reciting the trope that she was killed for a turn signal, or she was arrested for a turn signal. You seem pretty bright in spite of what I have said in other posts, so why make ridiculous, insupportable statements when you could make the solid points?

What I have been saying all along is that for the first 9 minutes, it's a pretty tough haul to try to say the cop was anything other than polite, courteous and even generous. She was not arrested for the turn signal and you know that. A lot happened between her multiple traffic infractions - I count 4 in total - and her arrest. And if you go back to my original blog I clearly said the cop blew it - he should have maintained his cool even after she refused to put out her butt.

He allowed her constant griping to get to him and he will pay for his mistake - the really sad thing is that apparently Sandra chose to take her own life as a result of this mess. Again the main difference between you and me is the same as the pool party. You want to fry the cop and I think there is plenty of blame to go around. The saddest part is that if either one had chilled, we wouldn't even been talking about this.

It's late so I'll only make one other point: Again, you are so married to the idea that the cops killed Sandra that you are just digging another hole. If you look at the information we have, she was improperly left without supervision but that is the point - there is no evidence that anyone entered her cell to kill her, there was no reason to kill her, and as bad as our prison system is, the evidence, now including her autopsy, points to her suicide. So why keep digging this hole because your chances of being right are less than 5% at this point.

Anyway, thanks for continuing to write because I am a wonk in that I enjoy a good intellectual challenge, and do appreciate your arguments, with the caveats above. I think you're probably a pretty decent person but the one thing I don't understand is the anger and the nastiness - although your buddy Alice is far worse than you. As a friend of mine once said: you catch more flies with honey. I fail at that all the time but I keep trying to remember.

I think I'm pretty much done with this topic, so I wish you good night, pleasant dreams and a happy and prosperous life. And I really mean that.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 2 years 8 weeks ago
#19

She was being given a warning and could have been on her way but her sassy and foul mouth clued the officer in to the fact that something was not right with her. What normal person would act in such a nutty way? Was she drunk (again) or on drugs? Did she have the capacity to be operating a deadly weapon, a vehicle, on the streets where she might kill someone in an accident? These are the things police have to assess. If you are not acting normal, then something is wrong and police have to assess whether the driver of the car is a danger to the community, or not.

So, one has to ask: what possible reason could there have been for miss Bland to have acted in such an antagonistic way? Was she trying to sucker the policeman into hitting her, or some other thing where she would be able to sue and make money off it? Was she baiting the cop? What would explain all those other times she was stopped? Did she finally meet a cop that seemed to be the sucker who would take the bait? Someone who was just going to give her a warning ticket and started off talking nice and civil to her? Did she see a potential sucker here? And when she got holed up in that cell, given that the cop had not really done anything that she could have used with her crooked lawyer, and given her obvious delusional actions in making a big fuss even when she was just getting a warning, she realized she wouldn't have a case and committed suicide. See, I can fantisize too. I have no proof of any of this. It's just conjecture. But one thing that is not just fantisizing or conjecture is that the coroner found that it looked more like a suicide than a murder.

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#20

Ah. . .yes I see the white male finger paths typing in punishing punitive opinions, beliefs showing the mean spiritedness that guides your writing and so it is.

This has abundantly established you white fells care nothing for verified reports of out of control white boys - impersonating an adult 'male' while policing.

I am not surprised - your category of privileged white men who believe they know best and support their statement based on their emotional feelings. . . the idea that one is to subordinate themselves to a criminal - with nary a care about data, or the actuality of real occurrences of cops gone bad.

In the doing so, showing a punitive side justifying out of control behavior for a position that requires self control.

Not that surprising here in the land where males fail, impotent in their sacred masculinity, especially those who take sacred vows "to protect & defend". These not grown up boys go on to take power over those they can lord over, power over - just because they have a badge & a gun. So they take another Black life, due to their own sad pathology.

Once again you fellas have provided us more fodder on the thinking & operating style, the process of the male white serial killed in action. . . in complete dysfunctional enjoyment to cause fear, then to play with their prey, then to murder their prey - just because they can

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#21

I see Alberto Ceras on the blog Sandra Bland was Targeted brings the relevant brutality as acted out by our sicko police. Thanks Alberto!

For the white boys who might find many words too intimidating, too many factoids to disturb the hemmoroids here is a shorter version Truth-Out.

America's New Brutalism: the Death of Sandra Bland

On July 9, soon after Sandra Bland, a 28-year-old African-American woman, moved to Texas from Naperville, Illinois to take a new job as a college outreach officer at her alma mater, Prairie View A&M, she was pulled over by the police for failing to signal while making a lane change. What followed has become all too common and illustrates the ever increasing rise in domestic terrorism in the United States. She was pulled out of the car by a police officer for allegedly becoming combative and pinned to the ground by two officers. A video obtained by ABC 7 of Bland’s arrest “doesn’t appear to show Bland being combative with officers but does show two officers on top of Bland.”[1]

In a second video released by the Texas Department of Public Safety, Texas state trooper Brian Encinia becomes increasingly hostile toward Bland and very shortly the interaction escalates into a shouting match and becomes confrontational.[2] During the interaction, Bland is asked by the office to put out her cigarette she refuses stating “I am in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Encinia then opens the driver’s door, attempting then to physically remove her. He then states “I’m going to drag you out of here.” Bland says “don’t touch me, I’m not under arrest.” Encinia then pulls out his Taser, points it at Bland, and says “I will light you up.” Spokespersons for the State troopers later admitted that “Encinia did not follow proper procedure; …. Waller County District Attorney Elton Mathis said after viewing the video that Bland was “not compliant” with the officer’s orders.”[3] Encinia claims that after Bland was handcuffed, she swung her elbows at him and kicked him in the chin, though this does not appear on the video. Bland was then charged with resisting arrest. Neither the dashcam video nor the video take by a bystander show any indication the officer was kicked. Even more troubling is the fact that the video had a number of glitches suggesting it had been tampered with, though the Department of Public Safety indicated the glitches were the result of posting it and later released another version of the video.[4]

A witness reported that “he saw the arresting officer pull Bland out of the car, throw her to the ground and put his knee on her neck while he arrested her.”[5] In the video, Bland can be heard questioning the officers’ methods of restraint. She says: “You just slammed my head to the ground. Do you not even care about that that? I can’t even hear.”[6] At one point, Bland indicates she has been hurt. She says “You’re about to break my wrist and “You knocked my head in the ground; I got epilepsy, MF!” to which Encinia responds “Good.”[7] She was then arrested for assaulting an officer, a third-degree felony, and interned at the Waller County, Texas jail. On July 13, she was found dead in her cell. Quite unbelievably, the police reported that she took her own life and the Waller County Jail is trying to rule her death a suicide. It appears inconceivable that a young woman starting a new job, an outspoken civil rights activist, critical of police brutality, went to church, and was close to her family would have taken her own life. Often posting videos in which she talked about important civil rights issues, she once stated: “I’m here to change history. If we want a change we can really truly make it happen.”[8] Her family and friends believe that foul play was involved, and rightly so.[9] Adding to such disbelief is the fact that the head sheriff of Waller County “ Glenn Smith, who made the first public comments about Bland’s in-custody death, was suspended for documented cases of racism when he was chief of police in Hempstead, Texas, in 2007. After serving his suspension, more complaints of racism came in, and Smith was actually fired as chief of police in Hempstead.”[10]

Bland’s death over a routine traffic stop is beyond monstrous. It is indicative of a country in which lawlessness is now integral to the police state, and extreme violence is the new norm for a society fed by the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, the incarceration state, the drug wars, and the increasing militarization of everything, including the war on black youth. Routine traffic stops for black drivers contain the real possibility for turning deadly. There is more at stake here than the fact that, as Federal statistics indicate, the police are “31 percent more likely to pull over a black driver than a white driver.”[11] There is the violence that propels a deeply racist and militarized society, a violence that turns on young people and adults alike who are considered disposable and a threat to society.[12] This type of harassment is integral to a form of domestic terrorism in which blacks are beaten, arrested, incarcerated, and too often killed. This is the new totalitarianism of the boot in your face racism, one in which the punishing state is the central institution for both controlling poor minorities of race and class and enforcing the rules of the financial elite. How much longer can this war on youth go on? As Karen Garcia points out, “When police officers can stalk, threaten, harass, assault, arrest, injure and kill black people for the crime of merely existing, I think it’s high time that the USA declares itself a state sponsor of terrorism.”[13]

The United States has become a country in which it is proud of what is should be ashamed of. How else to explain the popularity of the racist and bigot, Donald Trump, among among the Republican Party’s right-wing base? We celebrate violence in the name of security and violate every precept of human justice through an appeal to fear. This speaks clearly to a form of political repression and a toxic value system. Markets and power are immune to justice and despise it. All that matters is that control, financial and political, serves soulless markets and the Darwinian culture of cruelty. How many more young people are going to be killed for waking in the street, failing to signal a lane shift, looking a police person in the eye, or playing with a toy gun? How many more names black men, women, and young people will join the list of those whose deaths have sparked widespread protests: Trayvon martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Freddie Gray, Renisha McBride, Aiyana Jones, and Sakia Gunn, and now Sandra Bland. Is it any wonder that one funeral director in Chicago stated that “young people in the city do not expect to live late into their adult life.”[14] Police violence in the United States not only offers a window into the structural nature of state violence, but also serves as a gateway to prison, especially for minorities of race and class. Police violence against people of color, especially Blacks is not an aberration, it is policy, another way of dealing with those considered disposable. Sandra Bland’s tragic death that began with a routine traffic stop has become a high profile case. What is missing from most of the accounts of her death is that the data that is emerging around how often police officers kill civilians suggests that the number of such killings is astronomical. The Progress Report recently noted that two new projects are now keeping count in real time and that “According to The Guardian, 637 people have been killed by the police” since the beginning of the year to July 22, 2015. In addition, “The Washington Post…is tracking police shootings and counts 535 of those. That’s almost three people shot and killed by the police every day this year.”[15]

Yet, the mainstream media is more infatuated with mindless celebrities, game shows, and the financial brutishness and idiocy of Donald Trump than they are about endless violence waged against poor minority children in the United States. What is clear is that this violence speaks clearly to a society that no longer wants to invest in its youth. And if one measure of a democratic society is how it treats young people, the United States has failed miserably.

The war on terror has come home and it has taken the form of a war on poor minorities, especially black men and youth. Racism and police militarization have created a new kind of terrorism, one in which extreme violence is being used against black people for the most trivial of infractions. The killing of black youth by the police is no longer a routine affair, a norm that stretches back to slaver. On the contrary, it now appears to have become both a spectacle and a sport in America. Of course, there has been an unbroken line of terror and violence waged against black people since slavery.

What is different is that such acts of domestic terrorism now often take place increasingly in full view of the American public who more and more are witnessing such lawlessness after it is recorded and uploaded onto the Internet by bystanders.[16] New technologies and an every present screen culture now enable individuals to record such violence in real time and make it a matter of public record. While this public display of the deployment domestic terrorism makes visible the depravity of state violence, these images are sometimes co-opted by the mass media, commodified, and disseminated in ways that exploit and erase black lives, as William C. Anderson argues.[17] But it does more. It also sends a clear message to the American public, one that is as dangerous as it is violent. The message is that the police can kill African-Americans, young and old, and do it with impunity, with just a few exceptions–as in the clear cut killing of Freddie Gray in Baltimore and the indictment of the police officers responsible for his death.

Americans now live in an empire of images that not only serve to reveal the dynamics of oppressive power but also empty words of any meaning, often driven by a disimagination machine that denudes images of any substantive meaning by turning them into spectacles of violence. The police appear to recognize that images no longer provide the ultimate referent for revealing oppressive violence as much as they function to massage the machinery of aesthetic depravity. Racial violence has become so commonplace that when it is perpetrated by the police against innocent people, justice is not measured by holding those who commit the violence accountable. On the contrary, all that matters is that its presence be noted by the authorities and the mainstream media as if that is the only measure of justice. Few people seem distraught by the ongoing shootings, beatings, and killings of African-Americans in a society in which a black person killed every 28 hours in the U.S.[18] In a society engulfed in fear, racism, and violence, a culture of compassion, trust, and justice has been transformed into a culture of war and violence.

In a country in which militarism is viewed as an ideal and the police and soldiers are treated like heroes, violence has morphed into the primary modality for solving problems. One consequence is that state violence is either ignored, rendered trivial, or is shamelessly legitimated in the name of the law, security, or self-defence. State violence fuelled by the merging of the war on terror, the militarization of all aspects of society, and a deep-seated and increasingly ruthless and unapologetic racism is now ubiquitous and should be labelled as a form of domestic terrorism.[19] Terrorism, torture, and state violence are no longer simply part of our history; they have become the nervous system of an increasingly authoritarian state. Eric Harris told the police as he was being choked to death that he could not breathe. His words now apply to democracy itself, which has lost the civic oxygen that gives it life and is on its death bed. America has become a place where democracy cannot breathe.

The mainstream press seems especially interested in such stories when the victims can be viewed as assailants, as in the case of Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown, but are less interested when the old stereotypes about crime and black culture cannot be invoked. When the victims of police violence cannot be tarred with labels such as super-predators or thugs[20] as in the case of Tamir Rice, who was only 12-years old when shot to death by a policeman– who in his previous police assignment in another city was labeled as unstable–demonizing discourse becomes useless and such acts of state terrorism simply fade out of view.

Why is it that there was almost no public outcry over the case of Kalief Browder, a young black man, who was arrested for a crime he did not commit and incarcerated at the notorious Rikers Island and spent more than a one thousand days, two years of that time in solitary confinement, waiting for a trial that never happened. Shortly after being released he committed suicide.[21] Would this have happened if he were white, middle class, and had access to a lawyer? How is what happened to him different than the egregious torture inflicted on innocent children at Abu Ghraib prison? What has the United States become in the age of domestic terrorism.

Not surprisingly, the discourse of terrorism once again is only used when someone is engaged in a plot to commit violence against the government but not when the state commits violence unjustly against its own citizens. What needs to be recognized as Robin D. G. Kelley has pointed out is that the killing of unarmed Afro-Americans by the police is not simply a matter that speaks to the need for reforming the police and the culture that shapes it, but also for massive organized resistance against a war against black youth that is being waged on U.S. soil.[22] The call for police “reform,” echoed throughout the dominant media, is meaningless. We need to change a system steeped in violence, racism, economic corruption and institutional rot. We don’t need revenge, we need justice – and that means structural change.

Ending police misconduct is certainly acceptable as short-term goal to save lives, but if we are going to prevent the United States from becoming a full-fledged police state serving the interests of the rich who ensconce themselves in their gated and guarded communities, the vicious neoliberal financial and police state has to be dismantled. Such resistance is beginning with the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement, along with youth movements such as the Black Youth Project, Millennial Activists United, We Charge Genocide, and other groups.[23]

A new brutalism haunts America, drenched in the ever increasing flood of intolerable police and state violence.[24] More and more people are being locked up, jailed, beaten, harassed, and violated by the police and other security forces because they are poor, vulnerable, viewed as disposable, or simply are marginalized by being black, brown, young, and poor.[25] Black youth are safe neither in their own neighborhoods nor on public streets, highways, schools, or any other areas in which the police can be found.

Alberto Ceras 2 - See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/ddanl/blog/2015/07/sandra-bland-was-targeted#comment-328779

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Palindromedary 2 years 8 weeks ago
#22

"for allegedly becoming combative "?
She was combative...not only verbally but physically as well. She elbowed him and kneed him...if that isn't combative...

I think that the officer was very professional and exceedingly nice in his initial speaking to her. And after having been pulled over for a traffic violation, then given a warning ticket rather than one that was going to cost her money, how much nicer can a cop be....until they start getting angry sass from the driver in which case the officer has to believe that the driver is either intoxicated, on drugs, or has a mental problem.. all of which can be a danger to other drivers or pedestrians should she lose control of her vehicle. When perps display such characteristics, the policeman has to further investigate by forcing the driver out of the car, if necessary. And obviously, it was necessary as the driver was certainly not going to cooperate. The policeman acted correctly. The cowardly people over him, who won't back him, are usually political mice who will sell out the loyal people under them for expediency. They have no cajones. They couldn't pay me enough to be a cop nowadays. Too damn political. Too damn dangerous. Especially when your superiors don't have the balls to back you. No wonder Baltimore is becoming a vast wasteland of crime. The cops don't even want to patrol certain areas and the criminals roam free to do what they want. The murder rates in Baltimore has shot up greatly since the riots. Now, it looks like they are targeting Texas.

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#23

I sure would hate to be a coworker with you white fellas, or live in 'your' neighborhood - clearly you are missing some basic socialization skills, comparable to psychopaths that can't relate to another humans suffering. Rationalizing & justifying outrageous conduct and thus "our" White distortion continues. Curiously. . . & whitely, holding a female member of the public to higher standards - much higher that the alleged 'officer' - she was to be respectful of the abuse of the law - while simultaneously being verbaly & physically abused by the 'alleged' law enforcement officer ? This is twisted white thinking, convoluted by whiteness & maleness to camouflage the racism & sexism - over the out of control alleged 'officer' screeching orders to 'his' Black Female captive Sandra Bland. It's the old boys network 'do as I say not as I do'. Uphold standards that are ridiculous - you're not going to let any facts get in the way of your right to be male & white with the white blinders of white myoptic processing. No matter how you WhiteWash this it comes out the same - more WhiteWash for out of control cops - some of which are out of control serial killers - by murdering while policing. . . the state sancioned Blood Sport: Open Season on Black People. 10 Things About The Sandra Bland Traffic Stop Every Texan ...

Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, speaks with Texas Standard about the footage of the arrest, point-by-point. Here’s a transcript of the conversation, edited for brevity and clarity:

The trooper asks, “You mind putting out your cigarette please?” And Ms. Bland says, “Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Does she have to put out her cigarette?

“No, she doesn't’t have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that. This is part of his escalation of the whole event that unfolded, unfortunately.”

The next part: “Step out of the car.” Ms. Bland says, “You do not have the right.” He interrupts – “I do have the right, step out of the car or I will remove you.” Does he have the right, first, to order her to step out of the car, and second, to actually physically remove her from the car?

“He does not have the right to say get out of the car. He has to express some reason. ‘I need to search your car,’ or, whatever; he needs to give a reason. He can’t just say ‘get out of the car’ for a traffic offense.”

It’s one thing to say he has a reason; it’s another to say he has to give a reason. He may have had probable cause, or thought he had it, we don’t know. Does he have to state it?

“He doesn't’t have to state probable cause; he has to state some reason … And that’s part of the training that he should have had about how to de-escalate a situation. She’s clearly upset about what happened, particularly – as we know later on – that she moved over because he was tailing her. … He should be working on de-escalation. That’s the key. ”

Ms. Bland says, “I refuse to talk to you other than to identify myself.” Is she right or wrong?

“She’s right. Unfortunately, officers don’t like it when you know the law. In this case, even if you are right, you are still in danger. And that’s what we see unfolding here.”

The trooper says, “I am giving you a lawful order.” Now, is the is the lawful order to extinguish the cigarette, or to get out of the car, or neither?

“You can’t tell why. Certainly, telling her to put out the cig was not a lawful order. Just saying ‘Get out of the car,’ in and of itself, without an explanation, is not lawful. And you see him say that throughout the video without ever saying why [or] what’s going on here. It’s clear to me that he’s trying to assert authority that he probably does not have under the law, and he’s escalating the situation because he is upset. [He] doesn’t exercise the training that he needs to be exercising to de-escalate this situation.”

“I’m gonna yank you out of here,” is what the trooper says. Can he physically “yank” her out of her vehicle?

“He can’t do that either, unless she’s posing a threat to his welfare and safety. What he should have done was just wait for backup, if he couldn’t de-escalate it himself. But you don’t just pull somebody out of the car, and point that taser in her face. What if it had gone off? She’d have permanent brain damage.”

She says, “Dont touch me, I’m not under arrest.” Trooper says, “You are under arrest. She says, “Under arrest for what?” He then turns to his shoulder mounted radio, and asks for another unit. Does he have an obligation as a law enforcement officer to tell her why she is under arrest?

“Yes. He needs to – it’s not clear to her what’s going on. He needs to tell her, ‘You’re under arrest because …,’ but you can’t really tell her that. Because you can’t tell from the video that there’s any reason to have her under arrest.

She asserts her right to record this with her cell phone. That’s a right that has been clearly established. Is that true?

“She has a right to do that. But that’s another example where the officer perceives this as a challenge to his authority – and it further escalates the whole scenario.”

When he says “get out of the car, or I will light you up,” he is apparently referring to the use of a taser. Is that a legitimate threat? Is that something that’s okay for officers to do in that situation?

“No – here’s the situation where he is clearly violating her constitutional rights. This is excessive force on the part of the officer – to take that taser and point it in her face and say, ‘I’m going to harm you.’ Taser is the last recourse to a gun. And if he can’t get her out, he can’t de-escalate it, he’s got to wait for another officer to come and talk through this.”

Right now, the trooper has been placed on administrative duty. He’s not on leave, he’s still working for DPS. It’s our understanding that there is a violation of policy here – he should not have allowed it to escalate.

We are talking about a certain level of discretion that the state apparently entrusts with its troopers. Should officers have that much discretion?

“He clearly exceeded that. … The discretion here is, how do you de-escalate the situation? He could have just given her the ticket and walked away. Just like that. But he had to go through this confrontation. Of course, there are questions of race that come up here. And the fact that this is an out-of-state car moving through the town – and we know in Texas that’s a pretty typical profiling event. What bothers me a lot is that troopers are supposed to be the best-trained police officers we have in the state. This guy is clearly out of control – clearly shouldn’t be out on the streets dealing with people – [given] this level of escalation that he provokes.”

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#24

I sure would hate to be a coworker with you white fellas, or live in 'your' neighborhood - clearly you are missing some basic socialization skills, comparable to psychopaths that can't relate to another humans suffering. Rationalizing & justifying outrageous conduct and thus "our" White distortion continues. Curiously. . . & whitely, holding a female member of the public to higher standards - much higher that the alleged 'officer' - she was to be respectful of the abuse of the law - while simultaneously being verbally & physically abused by the 'alleged' law enforcement officer ? This is twisted white thinking, convoluted by whiteness & maleness to camouflage the racism & sexism - over the out of control alleged 'officer' screeching orders to 'his' Black Female captive Sandra Bland. It's the old boys network 'do as I say not as I do'. Uphold standards that are ridiculous - you're not going to let any facts get in the way of your right to be male & white with the white blinders of white myopic processing. No matter how you WhiteWash this it comes out the same - more WhiteWash for out of control cops - some of which are out of control serial killers - by murdering while policing. . . the state sanctioned Blood Sport: Open Season on Black People. 10 Things About The Sandra Bland Traffic Stop Every Texan ...

Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, speaks with Texas Standard about the footage of the arrest, point-by-point. Here’s a transcript of the conversation, edited for brevity and clarity:

The trooper asks, “You mind putting out your cigarette please?” And Ms. Bland says, “Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Does she have to put out her cigarette?

“No, she doesn't’t have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that. This is part of his escalation of the whole event that unfolded, unfortunately.”

The next part: “Step out of the car.” Ms. Bland says, “You do not have the right.” He interrupts – “I do have the right, step out of the car or I will remove you.” Does he have the right, first, to order her to step out of the car, and second, to actually physically remove her from the car?

“He does not have the right to say get out of the car. He has to express some reason. ‘I need to search your car,’ or, whatever; he needs to give a reason. He can’t just say ‘get out of the car’ for a traffic offense.”

It’s one thing to say he has a reason; it’s another to say he has to give a reason. He may have had probable cause, or thought he had it, we don’t know. Does he have to state it?

“He doesn't’t have to state probable cause; he has to state some reason … And that’s part of the training that he should have had about how to de-escalate a situation. She’s clearly upset about what happened, particularly – as we know later on – that she moved over because he was tailing her. … He should be working on de-escalation. That’s the key. ”

Ms. Bland says, “I refuse to talk to you other than to identify myself.” Is she right or wrong?

“She’s right. Unfortunately, officers don’t like it when you know the law. In this case, even if you are right, you are still in danger. And that’s what we see unfolding here.”

The trooper says, “I am giving you a lawful order.” Now, is the is the lawful order to extinguish the cigarette, or to get out of the car, or neither?

“You can’t tell why. Certainly, telling her to put out the cig was not a lawful order. Just saying ‘Get out of the car,’ in and of itself, without an explanation, is not lawful. And you see him say that throughout the video without ever saying why [or] what’s going on here. It’s clear to me that he’s trying to assert authority that he probably does not have under the law, and he’s escalating the situation because he is upset. [He] doesn’t exercise the training that he needs to be exercising to de-escalate this situation.”

“I’m gonna yank you out of here,” is what the trooper says. Can he physically “yank” her out of her vehicle?

“He can’t do that either, unless she’s posing a threat to his welfare and safety. What he should have done was just wait for backup, if he couldn’t de-escalate it himself. But you don’t just pull somebody out of the car, and point that taser in her face. What if it had gone off? She’d have permanent brain damage.”

She says, “Dont touch me, I’m not under arrest.” Trooper says, “You are under arrest. She says, “Under arrest for what?” He then turns to his shoulder mounted radio, and asks for another unit. Does he have an obligation as a law enforcement officer to tell her why she is under arrest?

“Yes. He needs to – it’s not clear to her what’s going on. He needs to tell her, ‘You’re under arrest because …,’ but you can’t really tell her that. Because you can’t tell from the video that there’s any reason to have her under arrest.

She asserts her right to record this with her cell phone. That’s a right that has been clearly established. Is that true?

“She has a right to do that. But that’s another example where the officer perceives this as a challenge to his authority – and it further escalates the whole scenario.”

When he says “get out of the car, or I will light you up,” he is apparently referring to the use of a taser. Is that a legitimate threat? Is that something that’s okay for officers to do in that situation?

“No – here’s the situation where he is clearly violating her constitutional rights. This is excessive force on the part of the officer – to take that taser and point it in her face and say, ‘I’m going to harm you.’ Taser is the last recourse to a gun. And if he can’t get her out, he can’t de-escalate it, he’s got to wait for another officer to come and talk through this.”

Right now, the trooper has been placed on administrative duty. He’s not on leave, he’s still working for DPS. It’s our understanding that there is a violation of policy here – he should not have allowed it to escalate.

We are talking about a certain level of discretion that the state apparently entrusts with its troopers. Should officers have that much discretion?

“He clearly exceeded that. … The discretion here is, how do you de-escalate the situation? He could have just given her the ticket and walked away. Just like that. But he had to go through this confrontation. Of course, there are questions of race that come up here. And the fact that this is an out-of-state car moving through the town – and we know in Texas that’s a pretty typical profiling event. What bothers me a lot is that troopers are supposed to be the best-trained police officers we have in the state. This guy is clearly out of control – clearly shouldn’t be out on the streets dealing with people – [given] this level of escalation that he provokes.”

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Aliceinwonderland 2 years 8 weeks ago
#25

You're right on target, liloby. Sexism and racism are key here. This black gal dared to stand up to the almighty white male cop, and challenge our sanctified pecking order. And now she's dead.

According to sources I googled, iiloby, the law is fucked up. Unfortunately police can arrest us without explanation, and can force us to get out of our cars at whim. I'd love to be wrong, but that's the answer I got. Such is life in a police state! Be warned, folks.

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#26

Yes, Aliceinwonderland - as no doubt you are clearly aware - the rampant sexism & racism here in the usa are the unfortunate keys - the foundation to our rotted & corrupt systems that allege their authority.

I suppose since we all start out to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, & that babies are brought by storks. . . that the White Cinderella found her White Prince and lived happily ever after. . . .that the American Dream is there for all - every one of its diverse citizenry. . .

Hmm . . . so how could anyone disbelief that the white guys & white gals there in the Cinderella county jail did not commit the murder of Sandra Bland?

How could anyone disbelieve an authority built on White Male Power & nothing more? A power bereft of leadership or lawfulness? A system built & WON by violence and cheating.

And now Sandra Bland is Dead.

For Sandra's unfortunate misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - a Black Female caught in the cross hairs of the tedious out of control Texas Trooper who asserted his aggressions to dominate & subordinate - just because he could.

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#27

Ah yes, Aliceinwonderland, I wanted to acknowledge that you wrote that what happened to Sandra Bland is due to our fucked up laws. Statutes which have been White_Washed by our judicial overlords, statutes embalming prejudice, ensconcing racism & sexism.

"The law is such an ass" as George Chapman wrote in 1654. Although I hate to disparage a donkey this way - humans are much more asinine, arguably beyond, stuck on stupid.

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Palindromedary 2 years 8 weeks ago
#28

Sandra Bland is dead because she committed suicide. She tried before which means she was not very stable. When her "friend", who lived across town, did not show up with bail (10% of $5000=$500) she freaked out and committed suicide. Don't blame any of this on the arresting officer. He was doing his duty. It's not his fault that she was a flake. He probably saved someone else's life by getting her off the street. Who knows how many she could have killed in a road rage accident?

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Aliceinwonderland 2 years 8 weeks ago
#29

I refuse to accept any explanation for Ms. Bland's death until that second autopsy. Your opinion doesn't count for shit, Palin, except to you and your racist pals.

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Palindromedary 2 years 8 weeks ago
#30

You won't accept any explanation for Mr. Bland's death no matter how many autopsies are given. And your opinion doesn't count for shit, Alice, except to you and your racist pals. You don't think you are being racist do you?

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Aliceinwonderland 2 years 8 weeks ago
#31

How stupid and cyclical does this debate have to get? With Karl and the camel man, it's limitless.

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liloby 2 years 8 weeks ago
#32

Yes, it is stupid Aliceinwonderland, it started as stupid, it will continue to be stupid, it has to get more stupid because this whole thing reeks of stupidity, albeit dangerous stupidity. . . the result of the stupid tedious texas trooper . . .creating a stupid reason to stupidly pull Sandra over.

Next the tedious texas trooper stupidly with his self absorbed motivation showed some smarts by taking his prey out of the view of the dashcam. He needed to do this to cover up his previous stupid move & it shows he's is capable & aware of his actions.

He did this in order to continue to abuse his captured prey that he had "tied up like a cow". He did this because he is a law enforcement & he chooses to play his racist & sexist game.

Next Sandra Bland ends up dead and the stupid law enforcement expects the public to be stuck on stupid like they are. . .we are to believe their convoluted continually changing story, made up as they stupidly plod along.

it is always such a contradiction that the alleged law enforcement is to base their findings on 'evidence' yet look what passed as legitimate policing:

Sandra Bland was stopped for not using her turn signal indicator,

she ends up in jail,

allegedly suicidal

but they did not keep a suicide watch,

on the morning she was murdered they say she was in her cell refusing breakfast,

but they didn't keep a watch on her in her isolated cell.

So. . .they were watching her but while they were 'watching' her she consumed a massive amount of marijuana & then killed herself - while they were watching. . . ?

It doesn't add up but the white guys here don't care about that - they still want to believe in Santa Claus and that Elvis is alive.

I guess the white guys here enjoy opining about everything just because they're white males & they can let pass the stupid inconsistencies of their beloved law enforcement. After all statistics only matter for betting on football.

Meanwhile our law enforcement counts of the stupidity of the public of the usa, they expect the knee jerk white reaction that all is well, that Black people deserve the stupid treatment because they - the white guys believe they know the ultimate truth.

The texas troopers controlled the crime scenes each step of the way. Thus, as the criminals that they are they knew that once Sandra Blands body was embalmed this would render impotent all further discovery.

As stated by the attorney for the family of Sandra Bland -

"Further complicating matters, Lambert says Bland’s body has already been embalmed so he is not sure what, if any, evidence it can provide now to authorities.

Lambert says the family’s independent autopsy was done over the weekend but the pathologist is still waiting on information from Texas officials to complete it."

Texas D.A. wants more testing on body of Sandra Bland ...

I don't believe the texas troopers. I don't believe that Sandra Bland committed suicide. I am certain she was murdered & it most likely will not ever be fully discovered. There is already enough shoddy work & attitude which reflects the sham presented to the public.

In 2012 to 2013 I have experienced rampant & blatant false testimony by a local white sheriff officer & "our" white Barbie doll ADA was gleeful in her efforts to support him. The attitude of "our" DAO is that they don't go after white male batterers "becasue they have too much money & will hire an agressive attorney and so the DAO won't be able to get a conviction". This is the land of the free and home of the caged.

After a year of pre-trial hearing because I would not plead, the case - which was based on a video - was dismissed in the interest of justice - all four counts were fabricated & falsified. My criminal defense attorney said it was "the most difficult case he ever had and the only ever dismissed". I was angry the video that the dimwit ADA said proved my guilt actually was the intrument which proved my innocence. . . as I learned my local law eforcement doesn't give a damn about truth or justice.

This was my second unfortunate run with the law and both times I learned that if a woman is articulate then the courts /law enforcement don't think she is in need of the courts protection. . .this pertains to an alleged white segregated progressive town on the coast of the California Monterey Bay.

There is something rotten to the core with our law enforcement system and I can speak as a survivor of system which essentially exists on the most vile & mean spirited white people - sometimes Black & Brown but mostly White. . .

despicable people who completely ignore the sacred vows they voluntarily take to "protect & defend".

And they do it because they can. . .because the lawyers have legislated our laws creating the circumstance where they are "Licensed To Lie" - yes this is STUPID,

Licensed To Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice...

abovethelaw.com/.../licensed-to-lie-exposing-corruption-i

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DdC 2 years 8 weeks ago
#33

Angela Davis on the Prison Abolishment Movement and Frederick Douglass,

Part 1 of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6PAu9ZKWeRA

NRA Slavery: Another Fine Product Still Made in the USA!

Louisiana Dungeons are anti-American, anti-Humanity.
... Southern man when will you pay them back?

It's racketeering, prison slave labor. We are progressing from totally racist to more of a racist plus lower incomes or naturally for selling pot. Logically if not statistically, the government makes more taxes and corporate prisons make more profits sticking a minimum wager in a cage than they would collect flipping burgers. $35k to cage someone plus taxes on that vs min wage and little or no taxes. As with many issues Profit has become the new Mother of Invention. Even shelving cures if it interferes with profits treating. Health or crime. Treating non crime pays the same.

As far as suicide, ridiculous. Roid rage.

Juicers in Blue

I met Angela Davis a couple years ago after first hearing of her in 1971.

Kochaine A.L.E.C. Drug Detention Centers
☛ Kochroach & Aleech...
☛ Koch-Owned Georgia-Pacific Environmental Crimes
☛ Koch Brothers eye L.A. Times, other Tribune newspapers
☛ Prison Overcrowding Conflict of Interest

'Sesame Street' now has a show for kids with parents in prison
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/604

ALEC, the Koch Brothers Led CABAL
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/523

NRA History of Mandatory Minimums
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/526

NRA Military & Prison Industrial Complex', Are the Police State
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/568

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liloby 2 years 7 weeks ago
#34

DdC you bring in more relevant and awful factoids of the lack of life for Black folks here in america - Thank You. I wonder how so many people can keep themselves in ignorance - it seems to go beyond the inattentional blindness we humans are capable of. We may not have learned this without the brilliance of Angela Davis

We have serious problems of inequality here and with systemic roid rage considered justifiable. Unfortunately I believe most people are like me - until they have their life turned upside down by a ROIDed out cop with the support of the ROIDed out district attorneys, with the complimentary prejudicial judges - then one has no idea of the psychological terror that our public servants enjoy inflicting on innocent people- while simultaneously abusing the tax payer funded fiscal operating system.

Really, I don't get it. People so upset - more so about the manners of Sandra Bland - than the out of control behaviors of cops. Cops who are the ones without manners & cops who don't wait to see the manners of a Black or Brown person before they are 'murdering while policing'. When this happens it costs the taxpayers boku bucks. Thus, our law enforcement get to play their brutal & deadly games with funds they don't have to pay from their own pocket. I would argue that if our law enforcement had to pay for these happenings out of their own pocket these wayward civic servants would stop their deadly & racist & sexist behaviors.

My mother would say two wrongs don't make a right.

Yet we see here alot of white folks believe otherwise. . . we really are ugly americans.

Quote DdC:

NRA Slavery: Another Fine Product Still Made in the USA!

Louisiana Dungeons are anti-American, anti-Humanity.

It's racketeering, prison slave labor. We are progressing from totally racist to more of a racist plus lower incomes or naturally for selling pot. Logically if not statistically, the government makes more taxes and corporate prisons make more profits sticking a minimum wager in a cage than they would collect flipping burgers. $35k to cage someone plus taxes on that vs min wage and little or no taxes. As with many issues Profit has become the new Mother of Invention. Even shelving cures if it interferes with profits treating. Health or crime. Treating non crime pays the same.

As far as suicide, ridiculous. Roid rage.

Juicers in Blue

I met Angela Davis a couple years ago after first hearing of her in 1971.

Kochaine A.L.E.C. Drug Detention Centers
☛ Kochroach & Aleech...
☛ Koch-Owned Georgia-Pacific Environmental Crimes
☛ Koch Brothers eye L.A. Times, other Tribune newspapers
☛ Prison Overcrowding Conflict of Interest

'Sesame Street' now has a show for kids with parents in prison
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/604

ALEC, the Koch Brothers Led CABAL
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/523

NRA History of Mandatory Minimums
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/526

NRA Military & Prison Industrial Complex', Are the Police State
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/568

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mrs.vonderhoffholz 2 years 7 weeks ago
#35

"pocket" racism is a big problem. What's "pocket"racism? The kind one keeps deep in one's pocket, pulled out and waived about when things don't go your way.

when I read comments about Sandra Bland and her "mouthiness" which got her in trouble... I hear polite variety of

"loud-mouthed n........."

"angry black woman"

"uppity"

envy of a woman, then a black woman, standing up for herself in a traffic stop which is obvious nonsense.

a chicken-shit pull-over, just like Cincinnati.

Now, the cops make chicken-sht pullovers on everybody, but how is it that only black people seem to end up DEAD over these broad-based abuses of authority?

several years ago near my big town, there was an "incorporation" town, a village that existed as only a speed trap, especially ticketing out of town plates ('cause who's got the time/energy to fight an out of town ticket, even for several hundred dollars) finally the village was dissolved, cops dismissed.

but no one ever died within this BS speed-trap corruption.

black people are targets, pure and simple, have been since 1776.

this is gross and wrong and is a world-wide shame we must correct.

hey Fux Newsies, check out international news and you will see the USA is portrayed as human rights abusers as bad as any currently active and as bad as any in recent history.

Guantanimo anyone? Abu Grab? this ever increasing tally of dead black people for chicken-sht violations? a pattern of white/USA supremacy?

wow, USA, racist, biggot, xenophobe.

USA's current #1 export.

USA #1

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Palindromedary 2 years 7 weeks ago
#36
Quote mrsvonderhoffholz:Now, the cops make chicken-sht pullovers on everybody, but how is it that only black people seem to end up DEAD over these broad-based abuses of authority?

So, do you call slamming a police vehicle's door shut against the police officer trying to get out, and then reaching in and punching the officer, wrestling for the officer's gun, all done by a huge hulk of a guy, after he had robbed a convenience store, a "chicken-sht pullover"? Someone like that has no respect for the law nor respect for anyone else especially no respect for himself.

You know, most of these violent demonstrations and riots pretty much started when people made martyrs out of just such a criminal and villifying a cop that was doing his duty and then trying to fight that guy in self-defense. Had that criminal gotten that gun away from the cop, the cop would be dead and that criminal would still be walking the streets...perhaps to victimize other people with his bullying and theiving ways.

That is not to say that I believe that every single one of those encounters are without police misjudgement or overreaction or even down right criminality on the part of some few police. But no one here is even listening nor do they even care that I think that! They are being willfully thick-headed. They condemn me for not agreeing with them about martyizing criminals. Feeling sorry for the poor criminal.

The boy with a gun in the park? Bad cops! The shooting of that guy in the back (even though he was a criminal by fighting with the cop but then running away.. they can't shoot someone in the back when they are trying to escape....that's murder!). Bad cop! The 4 or 5 cops that assassinated Wayne Jones as he lay on the sidewalk. Bad cops! And there are others. Bad cops! But they are the minority! The majority of cops are good cops!

But I realize that there are some people here that try to call me and a few others here "racists". I refuse to wear that label because it isn't true. If I was against all black people just for being black, then maybe I'd be a racist. I am only against the criminals and the ones have made martyrs out of criminals and who seem to think that Blacks have a special right to commit crimes and get away with them. Blacks who think that are racists themselves!

Some people get it! Others are too hateful to get it!
Short video of Steve Harvey interviewing Kevin Costner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kW2mfiygew

I'm against all criminals no matter what color they are. But Whites aren't screaming "racism", even if a white criminal gets shot by a Black policeman. Most Black policemen are honorable and dedicated public servants as well as are most White policemen. Whites who get caught, or even shot in self-defense by the police, don't bring about some massive rebellion by a group of whites who are screaming racism. No Whites are massively demonstrating and rioting and destroying property and looting businesses. That would be just plain idiotic just like it is idiotic for some subsection of the Black community to get all weirded out over dumb criminals who had no sense of self control and who fought the police...whether physically or verbally.

Sure, you'll see a few stupid white kids on YouTube sassing the cops who pulled them over...trying to get it all on video so they can feel tough and post it on YouTube to impress their friends. And some are lucky to get away with it. Others, well, they probably won't post that on YouTube if they wind up pushing too far and it looks bad for them. They probably won't post a video if it shows that the little wimps were made to look like sissies. I think in those cases, where those brats try to prove their "whatever" (stupidity?), that I'd love it if those cops would "light them up" with a taser anyway. That just might wipe the smirk off their adolescent, spoiled brat, faces.

If whites ever matched the kind of verbal or physical violence that blacks have been doing, to the extent that they have been doing it, then there would be more whites seeing the same kind of lawful retributions against them as blacks have experienced.

Whites outnumber Blacks in the US by 7 to 1 yet the number of murders committed by Blacks, according to 2013 FBI statistics show that Blacks actually commit more murders than Whites. And Blacks actually murdered twice as many Whites in 2013 as Whites murdered Blacks*.

But most Blacks are law-abiding as are most Whites. It's the small subset of bad asses out there, of all races, that is causing all the trouble for the majority. And I think that the majority (of all races) won't buy the crap that the trouble-makers are trying to dish out. And the more the liberals support criminality by making excuses for those who are committing the most crimes and trying to make the majority feel guilty for something they want no part of, the more they will lose support from the majority of voters. The majority of voters in the US are not aligned to the Democratic "special" minority interests (LGBT, Race, etc) and may be frustrated by the border and illegal alien problems. In fact, they may be swayed by a Presidential Candidate who is not afraid to be anti-Politically Correct and not held captive by minority opinions anymore. And the thing that may have sparked that was the violent demonstrations and riots in major cities. I envision a future where the National Guard will have to be called and the resistance will be put down. Unfortunately, a lot of people may be hurt. But this country has been slipping into disarray and unlawfullness. Something needs to be done!

Don't blame this on cops! There are some huge and very brawny men and women out there who are not easy to control without a little bit of help...if you know what I mean. And that's what those tasers and guns are for...tasers to subdue someone who won't cooperate and guns for self-defense and to protect the general public.

Police are trying to do the job that we civil citizens expect them, and pay them, to do. You wouldn't like it if there was no police protection against the kinds of criminals that would burglarize your home, or carjack you, or sucker punch you on the sidewalk, or slug you on a bus, or worse, murder you, or your family, just so they can rob you to feed their drug habits. We need more cops that can be tougher and meaner than the criminals that are now walking our streets in search of their next victim.
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*More are in jail because they are committing more crimes. The numbers show this to be true. More are in jail, or worse...dead, because they didn't have the self control or smarts to not be smart-assed, or violent, with the police. I'd bet that they mouth off to the accosting officer, or try to resist arrest, or try to escape more often than Whites do, as well.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the...

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 7 weeks ago
#37

Wow, Pal... That pretty much hits all the bases. The only problem I see is that you are way too logical, way too factual, and use actual fact-based references to back up your well-stated arguments. Therefore, you be raciss, white boy! <sarcasm off>

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liloby 2 years 7 weeks ago
#38

Racism the "pocket" kind is insidious racism and as you note mrs.vonderhoffholz it is well practiced right now. And as you say actually has gone on for the entirety of usa history - it is the reason why Sandra Bland was targeted. And it is the reason she was murdered.

One can see the deep racist pockets - with deep seated sexism, the extra attention to the foul & deadly treatment committed against Sandra Bland and other Black people. All due to our dysfunctional structural embedded racism & sexism here in the usa.

Quote mrs.vonderhoffholz:

"pocket" racism is a big problem. What's "pocket"racism? The kind one keeps deep in one's pocket, pulled out and waived about when things don't go your way.

when I read comments about Sandra Bland and her "mouthiness" which got her in trouble... I hear polite variety of

"loud-mouthed n........."

"angry black woman"

"uppity"

envy of a woman, then a black woman, standing up for herself in a traffic stop which is obvious nonsense.

a chicken-shit pull-over, just like Cincinnati.

Now, the cops make chicken-sht pullovers on everybody, but how is it that only black people seem to end up DEAD over these broad-based abuses of authority?

several years ago near my big town, there was an "incorporation" town, a village that existed as only a speed trap, especially ticketing out of town plates ('cause who's got the time/energy to fight an out of town ticket, even for several hundred dollars) finally the village was dissolved, cops dismissed.

but no one ever died within this BS speed-trap corruption.

black people are targets, pure and simple, have been since 1776.

this is gross and wrong and is a world-wide shame we must correct.

hey Fux Newsies, check out international news and you will see the USA is portrayed as human rights abusers as bad as any currently active and as bad as any in recent history.

Guantanimo anyone? Abu Grab? this ever increasing tally of dead black people for chicken-sht violations? a pattern of white/USA supremacy?

wow, USA, racist, biggot, xenophobe.

USA's current #1 export.

USA #1

Wake up and smell the ugly & inescapable - what our statistics tell us - if you grew up in the usa you are a racist. . I am a racist. . . we are all racists here - that's the way our corporate government made us. We are ugly and immature americans.

Our racism is structured and institutionalized. One can be oblivious to this if one never looks at how they operate with white skin and white privilege. We become puppets unless we take back our mind from the mean spirited puppeteers

We need conversation about pocket racism & other kings of racism because we ALL are victims of the system deliberately built to to gather & harness economic benefit - only for small group of people. It's about Economics Sweetie!

What a concept - eh? That our globalized famous economy is shored up by paying people of Color less money. Even further supported by paying women less money. An economy built on stolen lands using stolen/kidnapped people.

However, it is undeniable that those we call people of color are oppressed, they are subordinated through our laws & customs. They are oppressed in ways white people are not. To deny the statistics produced by "our" DOJ that give the numbers on how Black people are stopped & frisked way more than white people, that we incarcerate more Black people and Yes, more Black people end up killed by cops. To ignore this is beyond silly, it is wrong - it testifies to "our" underlying problem called racist denial.

BTW, through our governmental records - we can establish how segregation did not go away. The factoids show we are more segregated than ever before. There's a whole pocket right there.

And "our" police are out of control - with their internalized racism and instilled fear of people with Color to their skin. . . the data of this is irrefutable.

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liloby 2 years 7 weeks ago
#39

You might be a racist if you say the officer who arrested Sandra Bland did nothing wrong

by Shaun KingFollow for shaunking

After the dashcam footage of the arrest of Sandra Bland was released Tuesday evening, social media was set ablaze by people who were either incensed at what they believed to be excessive force and an illegal arrest, or others who felt strongly that what Officer Brian Encinia did was perfectly fine and well within the law.

I know in America we like to see two sides of every situation, but sometimes, in the world of right and wrong, ethical and corrupt, everybody can't be right. This is one of those situations.

Before one single member of the general public viewed the dashcam footage of Bland's arrest, the Texas Department of Public Safety viewed it and issued the following statement:

"[The department] identified violations of the department's procedures regarding traffic stops and the department's courtesy policy."

Because of this determination, Officer Encinia removed from active duty policing and was placed on desk duty. Again, mind you, his supervisors made this determination, but refused to state which specific actions the officer made that violated statewide policies.

Could it have been the 14 times he refused to tell Sandra Bland why she was being arrested?

Could it have been when he pointed a Taser at her and told her "I'll light you up" when she was afraid to get out of the car?

Could it have been when she told him she had epilepsy and he said "good" back to her as she explained how her head hurt from being slammed to the ground?

For anyone of good conscience to see the arrest video of Sandra Bland, who was only confronted in the first place when she failed to use her turn signal to get out of the officer's way, and determine that everything was fine, appropriate, and well within policy completely defies ethical reasoning.

Only racism, or perhaps the worship of police, could make sense of such a determination.

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 7 weeks ago
#40

Liloby wins the prize for most words; least content. You don't need to read any more than the following to get her drift:

"our statistics tell us - if you grew up in the usa you are a racist. . I am a racist. . ."

I would ask her to post her reference for those statistics, but she never replies to specific questions. She just goes off on more ludicrous, unverifiable rants, so I think I'll let the sleeping dog lie. Pun intended.

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Palindromedary 2 years 7 weeks ago
#41
Quote liloby #38: if you grew up in the usa you are a racist. . I am a racist. . . we are all racists here - that's the way our corporate government made us. We are ugly and immature americans.

What? Did you just take a Racism 101 course in a local community college taught by a black person? But then do they also teach you that blacks are racist against whites? And someone may retort:"Oh, but blacks have a good reason to be racist against whites!" Then, they point to slavery. So, today's blacks have a good reason to be racist against today's whites because whites of a hundred and fifty, or so, years ago a few whites owned slaves? And that make all of us whites, today, racist? We're racist because we support law enforcement against criminals? But groups of mostly young blacks that have been listening to all of that racial hate music (ergo: hating whitey cops) now think that every single time a cop does his job in fighting crime, and the perp happens to be black, then that means that it was racially motivated. If whitey youth were listening to racial hate music against blacks, there would be an uproar of indignation by the black community.

Quote SH interview of KC:
Steve Harvey: Ok, here's something that I pull out (inaudible). And I can speak on this subject because I've been black now 58 years. Here's the deal: what I've learned in my life is... you can make a racial comment and not be a racist. It all depends on who you are talking to and what it is about. Just because you got a problem with one person doesn't mean you got a problem with the whole group.(Referring to Kevin Costner who Steve is interviewing): (inaudible) the magistrate...he asked you in the courtroom: "Do you have a problem with black people?" Your character said: "Not all of them". That's a real-ass moment!

Kevin Costner: I wanted that line to be in there! Yeah, people could throw stones at me but because you just said that to me, Steve, is really big for me. Because not everybody in the world gets it... but you did! And I love that you pointed that out! Let's wake up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kW2mfiygew

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Palindromedary 2 years 7 weeks ago
#42
Quote liloby:"[The department] identified violations of the department's procedures regarding traffic stops and the department's courtesy policy."

Because of this determination, Officer Encinia removed from active duty policing and was placed on desk duty.

Just like in Baltimore, when the Mayor and the other politicians were more than willing to crucify their minion cops and not take the heat themselves... real cowardly chicken Sh!ts I call them... they are pretty much doing the same thing in Texas! And what an easy patsy and victim of their cowardly stance when they crucify someone relatively new on the force... and especially when Officer Encinia really didn't do anything wrong. Screw those politicians over him... they are just a bunch of weenie cowards... just like most politicians who will lie and steal worse than any common criminal. If I were a policeman, I'd have to seriously start thinking about pursuing a different profession. It's like when people join the CIA...they are expendable and will be sacrificed in the end. The higher ups always push the blame on their lowly employees.

And now, I hear, the Mayor of Baltimore is starting to get a little push back heat herself.... as it has been alleged that it was she who gave the order to back off and not let the police do their jobs to prevent rioting. So, what did she do but replace the police chief, a black man, with a white guy. What? Are they setting him up to take the next fall-guy for when they start rioting again in Balitimore when they exonerate those 5 police officers in October?

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 7 weeks ago
#43

I rarely disagree with you, Pal..., but on the cops who killed Freddie Gray, I think we need to go back to what happened to Freddie before he was put in the van. Democracy Now had Eddie Conway on, who seems like a real straight shooter, and who went into the community and interviewed eye witnesses to the police take-down of Freddie. Here's what Eddie said:

"One of the things that people say, that one of the police dropped down on his back, on his neck with his knee, and from that point on, he was incapacitated. And later, they even took him back out of the van and shackled his legs and did something else to him and threw him back in the van. So, as far as all the witnesses can tell and all of them report, that he was already fatally injured when they put him in, in the first place. That video that we saw with them dragging him to the van, he was already incapacitated."

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/23/running_while_black_protests_swell...

From day one it seemed obvious to me that Freddie was completely incapacitated before they put him in the van. In this case, there is at least one cop who is pretty much guilty of murder. The complication for the whitey haters is that 3 of the 6 cops involved were black. And an odd footnote is that Amy Goodman had the scoop on this case and has completely backed off, now repeating the MSM meme that Freddie's neck was broken in the van - i.e. nobody was really responsible. Go figure!

And the other inexplicable detail is that the cops say the video camera that would have recorded the whole scene was not working that day. Residents say that same camera has been used by the police many times for prosecutions, but coincidentally just stopped working. Hard to believe that one!

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Palindromedary 2 years 7 weeks ago
#44

Karl Leon Lennon: Interesting! I didn't know that about the cop that kneed Freddie in the back like that... I mean back of the neck like that. Funny too, like you said... that the video "had a problem" this one time and not any other time. But it just goes to show what can happen to people who think they can toy with or fight the police. They are most likely going to be hurt.

But, I think it could have been involuntary murder just like in the Eric Garner case. I doubt that the cop that choked Eric Garner was actually trying to kill him. Things can get rough when people try to resist the police...if the police weren't rough enough to overpower these perps, that resist their authority, then they'd all get away and we'd have no effective law enforcement. And if perps never knew what the consequences could be if they resisted the authority of the police, they'd overwhelm law enforcers because they would all think they could get away. Some of these people are probably so irrational and over-emotional that they just don't have the capacity to think or reason logically about the consequences of their actions. It's always flight or fight with them.

Sure, I believe that there are some police who have megalomaniacal personalities and believe that they can get away with anything. Those, we have to either hold their feet to the fire to control themselves or weed them out of the police force. They give other law enforcement a bad name. And I believe that most law enforcement officers are doing a good job of what they are supposed to be doing. It's the few bad apples that spoil the barrel. And there are a lot of people out there, and opportunistic news media, that will latch on to any example that they can use for their cause celebre.

As for the so-called "eye-witness" reports. I think in at least some of these cases they should be called: "eye-whitless" reports.

Since the case of Michael Brown, the so-called eyewitnesses have been shown to be either greatly mistaken or outright liars. Heck, even some of the people here, like all the ones that supported Michael Brown or Sandra Bland can watch a video, or not, several times and they will still report it incorrectly. Is it that they just can't believe their lying eyes because it contradicts what they want to be true?

One person yells out in a crowd that "he had his hands up" and then all of them in the crowd say "they saw him with his hands up". I don't know that it would be any different in Baltimore with the Freddie Gray case. The police are not very well liked because they don't let the criminals get away with breaking the law. Just how much of the law should law enforcement allow to be broken? Especially when those breaking the law have a bad attitude against the law to begin with? Constantly challenging the law?

Quote LAWRENCE BELL on Democracy Now:: Yeah, I mean, this has been going on for a number of years. And what’s interesting is that the problem in Baltimore, I believe, became exacerbated in the early 2000s, when former Mayor Martin O’Malley began the zero-tolerance policy. And what happened is that basically, you know, they’d been arresting people for petty nuisance crimes, petty things, more arrests, more arrests, and there’s been a devaluation of black life.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/23/running_while_black_protests_swell...

But, I bet there was a whole lot less crime including murders and robberies!

So, unless blacks are allowed to break the law, you know... the petty nuisance crimes, black life will be devalued? What? In order for black life to be valued they have to allow a certain amount of lawlessness?

I do agree with Lawrence Bell, however, in that they need to generate a lot more jobs in Baltimore. Problem is that businesses may not want to risk their businesses in Baltimore with such high crime rates. And putting more jobs in Baltimore would not necessarily equate to a decrease in crime rates especially if the police are hand-cuffed against doing their job.

Businesses might look at the burned down Rite Aid Pharmacy building in Baltimore and look at the buildings destroyed in Ferguson and other cities and decide that it is too risky. If people are going to riot every time some relatively isolated case of excessive police brutality happens then they are just shooting themselves in the foot. They won't have a successful law enforcement able to keep crime down. And no jobs, except maybe more government make-work jobs, will come to Baltimore.

I think that Lawrence Bell's idea of making Baltimore police force mostly black is a very good idea. Then, they couldn't use the "racism" excuse anymore. Oh, yeah they would...they'd still try to blame it all on the few white cops. Hell, make it 100% black cops and a black police commissioner and mayor. Instead of that white police commissioner that the mayor may be setting up to be a patsy to take the fall for the future riots in Baltimore they should fire him and put in another black police commissioner. But, not just any black police commissioner... How about this one:

Maybe they should hire Milwaukee County, Wis., Sheriff David Clarke to be the police commissioner of Baltimore.... he's black and would probably do a great job of cleaning up the crime in Baltimore. And nobody will be able to blame their problems on white racist cops.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/wisconsin-sheriff-it-myth...

Quote Sheriff David Clarke on cnsnews:
“It is a myth that police kill black males in greater numbers than anyone else,” Clarke said, citing statistics provided by the University of Toledo, which contrasts, what he called “the false narrative propagated by cop haters and the liberal mainstream media.”

Clarke referenced “the police use of force data,” compiled by Richard Johnson, PhD and titled, “Examining the Prevalence of Deaths from Police Use of Force,” which shows that between 2009 and 2012, the majority of those who died at the hands of police were white males.

Specifically, 61 percent or 915 of 1,491 people who died from police use of force were white males, while 32 percent or 481 were black males, Clarke noted.

The same report cited FBI data showing that “of the 56,259 homicides from 2009 to 2012, 19,000 (33.8%) were killings of black males.” In comparison, “481 (2.5%) were the result of police use of force.”

“Private citizens killed a quarter more black males in justifiable homicides than did police use of force,” the report said.

“Black-on-black crime is the elephant in the room that few want to talk about. We can talk about police use of force but it doesn’t start with transforming the police profession,” said Clarke. “It starts by asking why we need so much assertive policing in the American ghetto.

“Are police officers perfect? Not by any stretch of the imagination. Are police agencies perfect? Not… even… close. But we are the best our communities have to offer,” he added.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/wisconsin-sheriff-it-myth...

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 7 weeks ago
#45

Pal... Thanks for the detailed review of so many of the issues that rattle around in the background of these cases. I think there are a few more interesting and confounding issues as well. Freddie Gray was undoubtedly an inveterate law-breaker with at least 18 known arrests in the last 8 years, mostly for drug possession and distribution, but a few for trespass, burglary and assault. Once again, we have a known criminal fleeing the police, prior to the police doing anything other than making eye contact. Bad choice, although it might have turned out the same anyway. Marilyn Mosby, who comes off as more radical activist than impartial State's Attorney, had asked for "enhanced" drug enforcement at the intersection where Freddie was apprehended, because of community concerns with drug dealing there, according to the Baltimore Sun. So Mosby is more than a little bit involved in the actions that led to Freddie's demise. But this fact is rarely reported.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-mosby-emai...

On the issue of the amount of force used to bring Freddie down, we really need some video evidence, because Freddie was a small man at 5'8" and a mere 145 lb. Unless he was putting up one heck of a fight, it is hard to imagine that he needed to be taken down in a way that broke his neck in three places. (My assumption based on eye witnesses.) As I said before, it stretches credulity that the surveillance camera at this known intersection for drug dealing just happened to fail at the crucial moments of Freddie's arrest.

On the issue of eye witnesses, you raise important reservations, and given the level of criminal (Dorian Johnson) misrepresentation and other so-called eye witness accounts that were shown to be faulty (being generous here) in the Michael Brown case, it is prudent to question any and all accounts in neighborhoods where "snitches get stitches" is the order of the day. Of course, Johnson and the other "hands up don't shoot" "witnesses" were all proven by the forensic evidence, other eye witnesses, all autopsy reports - including those commissioned by Brown's family, and the findings of the grand jury proceedings to be basically making it up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/02/why-...

So what to make of the eye-witnesses in the Freddie Gray case? Well, I refer back to Eddie Conway for starters. He is no Dorian Johnson. I know it isn't enough to be absolutely certain, but Conway's comments on Democracy Now seem to indicate that he spent considerable time and effort in the community to gather reports from those who saw what happened. Also unlike Dorian Johnson and others, the eye-witness accounts in this case match the forensic and video evidence, that Freddie was severely injured before he was ever placed in the van.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/23/running_while_black_protests_swell...

At this point, I hope there is a credible investigation and trial so that all the evidence can come out. I respect other interpretations, but at this point I'm convinced that something happened off camera that the police don't want us to know. Maybe the eye witnesses are wrong but somebody needs to explain how 145 lb. Freddie Gray ended up with a broken neck.

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Palindromedary 2 years 7 weeks ago
#46

Was it an accident that he broke his neck or was it the cop putting his knee down on his neck, if the cop even did put his knee down on his neck. All we have to go on is what the"eyewitnesses have said. And guess which one of the 6 cops is getting the most years behind bars...the driver of the police wagon... Caesar R. Goodson Jr. (black) who drove recklessly and is believed to have caused Freddie's injuries to have been what eventually killed him. I don't know which was the one that put his knee down on Freddie's neck.

I certainly believe that cops can get pretty rough sometimes and that they may be going way too far in some cases. Some may be racist even. And I hope they can stop excessive violence in the future. But the cops have to fight against some pretty excessively violent people sometimes. People that can kill them. In Freddie's case, he had, what was first reported as an illegal switchblade knife, but other sources like Wikipedia say that it was a legal pocket knife and not a switchblade, that he could have used to kill a cop while they were trying to detain him. Police never know what perp is going to kill them. If they aren't sufficiently rough enough to subdue a perp... that perp may "get lucky" and kill a cop... even a 145 pound man or woman can get "lucky" with a switchblade knife or a gun.

But I think all those politicians in Baltimore should be held accountable...not just those five...or even just the one who put his knee down on Freddie's neck from behind. The politicians are ultimately responsible yet they are trying to put all the blame on their lowly cops. And during the riots, it was the mayor who ordered the cops to stand down.

And you may very well be right "that something happened off camera that the police don't want us to know." It wouldn't be the first and probably won't be the last time that something like that happens (blanking out a camera so that the cops wouldn't be seen doing something illegal). Someone else here posted a link that shows some cops who raided a "Medical Marijuana " shop who then shut off all the cameras but missed one. They were caught on camera sampling the googies and now they are crying "foul" and that it is a violation of their privacy because they didn't give their consent to be on video. Yeah, like they ask for consent from everyone else before catching them on video? Right!

I know that in some areas around the country, the cops are starting to wear body cameras. I think in the long run that those body cameras will keep certain accusations about racism and excessive violence on the part of police to a minimum. Now, if all citizens started wearing body cameras instead of just having cell phones there would be cameras all over the place.

The perps will still be there and still be caught and the police will still apprehend these perps but a lot more will be on camera so that the police won't fall victim (so often anyway) to false accusations by the public. Certain members of the public will still try to make accusations but it would be harder for them to get away with their erroneous accusations.

For instance, if Officer Wilson had been wearing a body camera it would have stopped his accusers cold (one would think, anyway but nothng surprises me anymore after Sandra Bland) that claimed that MB was standing still with his hands up. (Others said that he was standing still with his hands up with his back toward Wilson and was shot in the back. Others said he was on his knees with his hands up when officer Wilson shot him.)

It looks like, if we are ever going to stop wild false accusations by so-called eyewitnesses, the authorities are going to have to put cameras everywhere to cover all angles...on top of all street lights. And they can do it too! With IPV6, there are abundant ip numbers to have a humongous Wide Area Network (ie: an immense internet cloud) connected wirelessly capturing everything going on just about everywhere. And it won't be like each camera has to be watched all the time. They will just collect video images and audio and whenever there are accusations by the public the authorities will just access that data and use it to prove or disprove their case. Conversely, if cops are doing something wrong, they can be held accountable as well. With IPV6 they can even put spy devices in our home appliances that monitor everything we say and do and still have plenty of IPV6 numbers left over for an even greater surveillence state all over the world.

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 7 weeks ago
#47

I just realized, that for almost the first time on this site, I'm having a rational discussion with someone, where we are calmly discussing the issues, and so far we both have refrained from words like racist, a**hole, white boy or any references to male genitalia. It's almost surrealistic.

And as usual, if we discuss the issues and try to determine what is or is not verifiable, more often than not, we can hone the discussion down to the point where we say, yep, that's pretty much what we know at this point and we pretty much agree. The few places where we disagree, we'll just have to wait and see when hopefully the rest of the evidence is presented. And that feels like pretty much where we're at, at this point.

I don't disagree with anything you said above, and the only small point I would add is about the knife. There is a dispute about the knife with the police saying it was an illegal switch blade but Mosby saying it was not a switch blade. Either way, it doesn't seem to figure into the arrest, because it was only discovered after he was apprehended. Also, the police say Freddie was apprehended without a struggle, and yet we see a clearly injured and in pain Freddie Gray being arrested. And the only reason we have that video is because of the bystanders who took it.

The only mystery to me at this point is why Mosby is saying the injuries occurred in the van and is not trying to find out what happened to Freddie as he was being arrested. Maybe it's just a political decision because it's easier to prove than the other way around. But I'd better stop now because I'm just speculating.

Anyway, thanks for the rational discussion. Maybe others can benefit by seeing that it is much more productive to discuss the issues dispassionately, respect the views of others, and in the end feel good about the interchange. And maybe, heaven forbid, actually learn something in the process.

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 7 weeks ago
#48

From my morning reading:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/06/cecil-the-lion-white-supremacy-and-speciesm/

AUGUST 6, 2015

Cecil the Lion, White Supremacy, and Speciesism

by SEAN PARSON

and this...

http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150806/1025460189.html

The United States is unlikely to apologize to Japan for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as Washington still tries to maintain the myth that its foreign and military policies are always right, analysts told Sputnik on the 70th anniversary since atomic bombs were dropped.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150730/1025225733.html

Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki Was Unjustified – US Experts © AFP 2015

Seventy years have passed since the infamous bombing of the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the United States; however, it seems that the historical lesson still remains unlearned.

Not related to this thread? But they are.

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liloby 2 years 7 weeks ago
#49

Thanks Alberto!-They are ALL related.

I'm glad to see that you as a male are capable of reading, & willing to use news sources where journalism survives with journalists who include factoids in their journalism. Instead of the Fux News of fuxy opinions we are able to develop further understanding by way of factoids.

Factoids giving information and data instead of the white racism & sexism displayed in the lenghty opinionated diatribes some fellas here like to pass off as their thoughtful considerations.

Factoids which show more of the destructive ugly americana we give to the world through our military industrial complex, and the white male superiorty which supports this. The same WHITE superiority which permitted the usa to develop & drop the atomic bombs on Japan. Now our big guys are the deciders- clamoring to insure they control the proliferation & who can own nuclear bombs.

Yes, Alberto it bears mentioning, the catastrophe of our white guys & their bombs to destroy & murder thousands of Japanese people in their homes.

Japanese Nobel Laureate Kenzaburo Oe on 70th Anniv. of US Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

I agree with you too, another sort of white male privilege is displayed strangely in the story of Cecil the lion. I found it noteworthy as did many that:

"While the white American public is fixated on Cecil, many working against racism are in shock that Cecil has gotten so much attention while, for the most, part the media has remained uncomfortably silent on the lynching of black men and women by police and white vigilantes. The public outcry over Cecil nearly silenced the calls for justice for Sandra Bland—a black Texan who died in police custody after being arrested for a traffic stop—and Samuel Debose—an unarmed black man driving in Cincinnati who was murdered by University of Cincinnati Campus police office Ray Tensing."

Cecil the Lion, White Supremacy, and Speciesism

Cecil the Lion, White Supremacy, and Speciesism

by SEAN PARSON

- See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/liloby/blog/2015/07/profiting-and-profiling-racism-sexism-and-sandra-bland#sthash.hkVaFBDS.dpuf

There is an irony with this story of the African lion with the black mane - .a double whammy of white priviledge. Walter Palmer the highly priviledged white guy through his white priviledge could go across the seas to Africa to hunt for his "trophies". Rob Richards has given a throughful response to the tangled web of white priviledge:

White Supremacy Killed Cecil the Lion | Rob Richards

https://writerobwrite.wordpress.com

"Cecil the lion was a beautiful creature. He didn’t deserve the suffering he endured over his last couple of days. You could call Walter Palmer a lot of things. He’s an asshole for sure – and his apologies have a ring of “I’m sorry I got caught” to them that I just can’t ignore. He hasn’t said a thing about the practice of sport hunting and how he’s learned a lesson here about how depraved the practice is. He’s been doing this for years, Cecil isn’t even the first lion he’s killed, he’s also killed a rhinoceros, jaguars, bears. The man gets off on killing things that can’t defend themselves and he has the resources to support this habit without taking it out on people. He’s the Dexter of the wild kingdom.

As the story developed and white America took it up as their cause du jour, many folks who are involved in Black Lives Matter or other anti-racist work, started asking the obvious question: “One lion dies and you freak out, how about ALL THE BLACK FOLKS getting killed ALL THE TIME?” It’s a valid question and one that I hope people think about long and hard.

What I see at play here is a privileged white doctor who feels entitled to the very life of another being. Palmer isn’t extraordinary and his actions aren’t even shocking to me. Rich white guy kills a bunch of exotic animals – in Africa? We’re supposed to be shocked?

I think the killing of Cecil and the killing of Sandra Bland, Sam DuBose, et al, share the same root cause, and will have the same result. The dominant white culture in America feels entitled to control whatever they want to control, to the point of taking lives. White people don’t even take the time to analyze what’s going on in these incidents. One key indication for me is the near silence I’m hearing around the killing of Sam DuBose. Why are white people so quiet about it? Maybe it’s because there is footage, and the footage reinforces the fact that police operate under inherent bias and are predisposed to deadly force even though the situation was no where close to warranting it. The footage debunked the officer’s statement, which his fellow officer corroborated. They both lied to cover up Sam Dubose’s murder. It’s all right there on Youtube. If they act outraged for Sam, then they might have to talk about the causes, and they might have to take a look at themselves. And at the end of the day, that’s just not worth it to them if they can just continue on the present course with no consequences or repercussions."

Cheers to you Rob! Write On!

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Karl Leon Lennon 2 years 7 weeks ago
#50

Thanks for sharing yet another bleating apology from a white, guilt-ridden, liberal college professor with too much time on his hands and too many words to waste on his apology for everyone else of white complexion, except guess who? Why himself, of course, because he is a righteous, guilt-ridden college professor who proves his bona fides by "confessing" for the rest of us "white supremacists".

Gee thanks, prof, for pointing out , for example that Bland "died in police custody after being arrested for a traffic stop." Gee whiz prof, would it be too much for you to actually get your facts straight before launching into your screed? But he has a grand scheme in store: "the debate over Cecil shows the dangerous potential for how animal rights can actually support white supremacy." Go, prof, go!

He then launches a tedious list of "white" crimes like trophy hunting, the hypocrisy of owning pets while eating meat, and the abuse of lab animals. And apparently, according to the perfesser, only white Americans were outraged by the killing of Cecil and that was because he was named for Cecil Rhodes, that well-known white "American" explorer who founded Rhodesia. Well done, prof!

And the good perfesser admonishes the rest of us whiteys who are too thick to understand what he does, namely that "The animals we love in our lives serve a similar symbolic role as the “black friend” does for white supremacy." Tell us more, prof - this is fascinating! Here's more: "The deafening policy of silence around the death of Sandra Bland, Samuel Dubose, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown." Hello Mr. Perfesser, do you mean the deafening silence whenever you turn off all media devices and retreat to the silence in your own mind? Oh, I see!

And now that he has posited the absurdity that he thinks the media is silent he explains why: "The anger around the murder of black men and women shows the violence of white supremacy, and is therefore silenced;" Right on, black - er, I mean white - brother. You be down in da hood, man! Keep on testifyin' brotha!

And he does, giving us a lecture that we could never have thought of on our own, as he tells us "a white reactionary politics has emerged—asserting that all lives matter." Whew, that's heavy man. So let me get this straight, Martin Luther King, Cornel West, and the dozens of black bloggers online who tell and told us that all lives matter, are white reactionaries? This is where I bail. Gee, thanks for sharing this important lecture, Alberto.

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