I listened and smiled when I heard today that the California Secession movement is getting some national attention. The idea is a nice fantasy, but it would be nearly impossible for it to happen.

I personally would actually be much happier if we weren't part of the United States, as it is right now. I live in Los Angeles, the San Fernando Valley to be exact. The Valley tried to secede from Los Angeles to become it's own city a few years back. There were some similarities & arguments as to what is being said regarding California right now. The San Fernando Valley on its own would have been one of the largest cities in the U.S. The Valley contributes more tax dollars to L.A. than what it gets back. The West Side has a habit of making derogatory comments about "The Valley". Etc... A majority of people in The Valley voted for secession, but the whole city was allowed to vote. Many people were very passionate about the idea and were deeply crushed when it was voted down by the entirety of L.A.

I understand why the idea is getting traction. People here can not understand how so much of the rest of the country could vote the way they did. Rarely do you hear someone talk about the election in public. Most of the people that I know are horrified. That is why L.A. had what was probably the biggest (may I say HUUGE) turn-out of any location for the Womens March. Many friends told me quietly that they were marching because it was really important. These are not people who are usually politically vocal. The loud, in-your-face people that I know tend to consider themselves Conservative and/or Republican. Californians are tired of the Welfare States taking our tax dollars and then bad mouthing us, calling us Elitists, being told that the "Left Coast" needs to understand the "Real America", as if we are not real Americans. Californians do not want their rights taken away, especially by legislators & judges from locals far away. In fact, most Californians would not call themselves Liberals/Progressives. They just see themselves as being normal, middle-of-the road people.

Overall, we like our State. We know that there are problems, but people try to come up with solutions. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. The last election had a number of ballot propositions where the majority of voters chose higher taxes & bonds to help with schools, parks, protecting Medi-Cal funds. Its not that most people have alot of money, it's about what is important to our quality of life.

I agree with Thom that California could and should play a big part in resisting the debacle that we have in Washington, DC. The U.S. pre-World War II is often referred to as the sleeping giant that was awoken with the attack on Pearl Harbor. I kind-of see California as a sleeping giant. Many of our politicians & activists are preparing strategies, but the average person appears to be just going through their normal routines. The ball is in the new President's court. He might want to pick his fights very carefully. I do not think that Californians are going to give up their way of life without a big fight. And who knows what may happen once the giant is woken.

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chuckle8 2 years 25 weeks ago
#1

I have only lived in California for the last 44 years plus 2 years after 1955. Californians keep voting for the death penalty. They voted overwhelmingly by 87% to raise penalties on sex workers (i.e.. prostitution). They voted for Prop 13 which drove our education from 1st in the country to last.

Legend 2 years 25 weeks ago
#2

I was born and raised in CA and left in 1971 at 21 and never regretted leaving. It is a good state but now I live in a better state. I have returned through the years and worked part time, I have roots there. I know state history better than most residents. But would never return permanently. Most seniors or retired should relocate.

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chuckle8 2 years 25 weeks ago
#3

LEGEND: WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO RETURN? IGNORE UPPERCASE. I AM NOT YELLING.

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zapdam. 2 years 25 weeks ago
#4

Chuckle8 you're really the 'Chucky'of horror films, come on come clean. I always wondered where you got to, after killing ,terrorizing people, I thought by now you must be retired and obviously living in California. And after using caps, to say you're not yelling , my God you've mellowed. Lol

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Roland de Brabant 2 years 25 weeks ago
#5

California, the Valley and Venice should all secede. And be willing to take up arms to fight for their freedom. Fly over country is overflowing with White Trash.

Roland

Legend 2 years 25 weeks ago
#6

Chuckle8, Housing costs, property tax, traffic etc. If you can afford to live on the coast it is great. But next to nothing sells for over a million. Your dollar goes a lot further in other western states. Recently did contract work in San Jose. If you have lived there for 44 years and owned a home your property tax is reasonable because of Jarvis. But you probably cannot afford to move.

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chuckle8 2 years 25 weeks ago
#7

Legend - Interesting that I say Prop 13 is a reason not to live in California, and you say Jarvis (=Prop 13) is the reason I can live in California. You are right that my taxes are much lower. As a matter fact of they are more than 15 to 20 times lower than they would be in AZ and IN (places I have knowledge of) with a house of equal value. In my opinion that creates the omnivore that is eating CA.

Legend 2 years 25 weeks ago
#8

I do not know about 15 to 20 times lower. I just know if you move you lose that tax advantage. It actually stifles the housing market because you do not move because of it. But they also get you in other ways for taxes. Sales tax and income tax is high.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 25 weeks ago
#9
Quote Legend:

I do not know about 15 to 20 times lower. I just know if you move you lose that tax advantage. It actually stifles the housing market because you do not move because of it. But they also get you in other ways for taxes. Sales tax and income tax is high.

Wow!

Why would any self respecting leftie/socialist complain about paying "their fair share" in taxes?

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chuckle8 2 years 25 weeks ago
#10

Dianereynolds -- The problem was with the tax not representing a fair share.

Before Prop 13 commercial property was paying 65% of the tax burden and now they are paying only 40%. Prop 13 was for the top 1%. The bottom 99% were conned by the top 1% saying to the 99% that they we were going to be taxed out of their homes. That last statement would be true if the lawmakers did not lower the tax rate to reflect the exponential increase in real estate value. On the same ballot as Prop 13, there was a Prop 8 which feebly attempted to do that. Of course, Prop 13 had tons of money behind it, and Prop 8 very little As a result the general public had no knowledge of the choice they were making.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 24 weeks ago
#11

Nice to know but I could care less about California politics. I do know taxes are raised and lowered by the elected officials or by referendum on election days. If residents of California disapprove of the rates they have options.

1. Replace the leftie/socialists that are voted into office with fiscally responsible conservatives which will eliminate a lot of "free stuff" so that option is out of the question.

2. Blindly pay the taxes knowing the monies are all going to great uses that will help make all Californians feel good about themselves. Think big group hug.

3. Move away and completely eliminate your right to ever mention high taxes in your rants about other people not paying "their fair share"

Legend 2 years 24 weeks ago
#12

Dianes solution is she pays 28%+ and the 1% pays 13%-.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 24 weeks ago
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Quote Legend:

Dianes solution is she pays 28%+ and the 1% pays 13%-.

And Legend's solution is clearly to run away from higher taxes that go to benefit the lower classes and avoid paying "his fair share" for the betterment of all mankind.

The classic leftie/socialist, do as I say, not as I do syndrome.

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chuckle8 2 years 24 weeks ago
#15

Does that big group hug include an educated populace that knows when they are being conned by the billionaires. Maybe it could save DianeR and her offspring from getting autism from the glyphate (sp?) on all her food.

Legend 2 years 24 weeks ago
#16
Quote Dianereynolds:
Quote Legend:

Dianes solution is she pays 28%+ and the 1% pays 13%-.

And Legend's solution is clearly to run away from higher taxes that go to benefit the lower classes and avoid paying "his fair share" for the betterment of all mankind.

The classic leftie/socialist, do as I say, not as I do syndrome.

When you write, write something that makes sense.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 24 weeks ago
#17
Quote Legend:
Quote Dianereynolds:
Quote Legend:

Dianes solution is she pays 28%+ and the 1% pays 13%-.

And Legend's solution is clearly to run away from higher taxes that go to benefit the lower classes and avoid paying "his fair share" for the betterment of all mankind.

The classic leftie/socialist, do as I say, not as I do syndrome.

When you write, write something that makes sense.

I was using your own logic and advice. Apparently it is OK for you to put words in other peoples mouth but..............

Coalage3 2 years 24 weeks ago
#18

Great idea...this makes a whole lot of sense. Take away California's 55 electoral votes and the dems might never win another presidential election.

As big as California is, I don't really think that Jerry wants every liberal from the rest of the US moving there.

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kamakinky 2 years 24 weeks ago
#19

Some of us Californians CAN understand why so many people voted for Trump (or, more accurately, voted against Hillary). Lionel of Lionel Nation stated it most concisely:

When voters are given the choice between a corrupt Republican OR a corrupt Republican, no one should be surprised when they elect a corrupt Republican!

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kamakinky 2 years 24 weeks ago
#20

The problem with so-called "fiscally responsible conservatives" once they get in office, is that for every $1 of "free stuff" they eliminate for folks barely surviving in the economy that they created, they legislate $10,000 in "free stuff" to themselves and their rich buddies. And now they're stealing our land to rip off our minerals and oil, leaving it toxic, and destroyed, while they pocket our wealth.

For folks who call themselves "fiscally responsible" they are anything but! And their understanding of classical economics is equivalent to a 5 yr old's understanding of differential calculus. Wake up and turn off FOX, their 24-hr propaganda machine!

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chuckle8 2 years 24 weeks ago
#21

The "billionaires" have brainwashed us to the point where we think government spending is a bad thing. One should really look at facts and the totality of expenditures. The government gets a 60% return on their investments. Warren Buffet averages out at 13%. With those numbers fiscal responsibility should mean increase the deficit to lower the debt (where debt is the one economists look at i.e. debt/GDP). With FOIA and government investing for the long term, one can easily come up with cases of bad investment and unintended consequences but the totality of government expenditures comes up with that 60% return.

Coalage3 2 years 24 weeks ago
#22

Meanwhile in California, riots break out at Berkeley protesting that far right gay greek guy. Kind of ironic considering Berkeley's previous history in the free speech movement.

Rod Dreher writes this in the American Conservative: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/berzerkeley-riot/

Trump is threatening this morning to take federal funding away from UC Berkeley because of all this. He’s just blustering, I think, but I would not mind seeing legislation that would punish universities that don’t take a hard line to protect free speech on campus. If universities would start arresting and expelling from school students who attempt to no-platform speakers by disrupting their speeches or free access to their speeches, this would stop. The SJWs would learn that there are consequences to their behavior.

Among the many amazing things about stories like this is the idea that these SJWs think that behaving like this will win others to their cause. There is nothing more likely to help Donald Trump than scenes like last night’s Berkeley riot.

Do parents really want to send their children to universities where freedom of speech is restricted by campus culture, including fear of mob action? There’s no way in hell I would want my kids to go to school at Berkeley. After the Christakis fracas at Yale, I decided that a university where two professors could be railroaded by an SJW mob supported by many faculty members is not one where I would want my adult children to study. Don’t get me wrong: I want my kids to have their opinions and convictions tested in college. But a university where angry mobs decide what can and cannot be said on campus has failed in a fundamental way, and deserves stigma.

rs allen 2 years 24 weeks ago
#23

First of all you wouldn't send your childern to those institutions because they might actually learn something. Hey! I bet you're on Jerry Falwells' mailing list, aren't you.

Secondly this business of trying to normalize white nationlizism with the term alt-right is pure bullshit. A rose by any other name still has the same thorns. So hate deserves the same in return, if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. blah blah.

Thirdly national funds? Go get bent, where else are you going to get all the research to make you and yours safer, healthier and an easier life for any cheaper?

Take your white nationalist christian agenda and stick it up your ass.

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gumball 2 years 24 weeks ago
#24
Quote chuckle8:

The "billionaires" have brainwashed us to the point where we think government spending is a bad thing. One should really look at facts and the totality of expenditures. The government gets a 60% return on their investments. Warren Buffet averages out at 13%. With those numbers fiscal responsibility should mean increase the deficit to lower the debt (where debt is the one economists look at i.e. debt/GDP). With FOIA and government investing for the long term, one can easily come up with cases of bad investment and unintended consequences but the totality of government expenditures comes up with that 60% return.

Source? Not even sure what you mean by government Investments

Coalage3 2 years 24 weeks ago
#25

Hey RS...free speech is free speech. Is it not? This guys speech is no more inflammatory than the people going around calling Trump (for example) a Nazi and the reincarnation of Hitler. No difference. Nobody is normalizing anything unless you mean a person's right to speak his mind. But I guess these students don't agree with one of our most basic rights because it might hurt their feelings. And we just can't let that happen now, can we? I'm sure they wore the masks to make sure that Mommy and Daddy didn't recognize them and yank their trust fund money.

Strange, but last night I did not see masked marauders from the Alt-right movement rioting anywhere in the country and damaging property like these hoodlums.

So I guess you subscribe to the notion of "free speech for everyone, but only as long as I agree with it".

I got it. More intolerance from the so-called party of tolerance. What B-S!

rs allen 2 years 24 weeks ago
#26

In principle I agree with you, let the man speak first......then tar and feather the piece of garbage and kick his sorry ass out of town on the rail. Along with any one else who salutes him.

Any ways I say it was agent provocateurs that spoiled what otherwise would have been a peaceful protest against the shit that comes out of your heros mouth.

But I don't really care one way or the other. While those young adults are not old enough to know what free speech actually means to white nationalists and the christian taliban, their parents are. And I'm old enough to have experienced first hand what 'free speech' means and is like under the thumb of white nationalists and your christian taliban rules.

So piss off christian white nationalist.

Coalage3 2 years 24 weeks ago
#27

So you say you agree in principle, but you really don't agree in practice.

That really makes a lot of sense. And you say you don't care...how convenient for you. I bet if your right to criticize a "christian white nationalist" were taken away, you would be screaming bloody murder.

Just more B-S.

rs allen 2 years 24 weeks ago
#28

Hey boy didn't they teach you any reading comprehension in sunday school?

I said I'd let the man speak before I gave him a good reason to rethink the filth coming out of his mouth before the MFer opens it again.

But seeing as how I've mellowed somewhat with age now I'd do it all legal like. He'd be before the bar bound and gagged making his plea against charges of inciting a riot right along with his followers listed as co-conspirators.

So why would I care how the younger handles what is now their fight? I only hope this time they pour some disinfectant into the toilet bowl before they flush your sorry ass into the sceptic tank of history so you don't have the chance to crawl back out again.

Yeah I know you'd just love to take away my right to tell you and everyone else exactly what you are. Been there, done that.

So try it mr. christian white nationalist MFer.

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