While there were lots of calls for Al Franken to resign, especially from women Democrats, I haven’t yet heard any concrete suggestions from this same group about creating an effective ethics process. It is easy to say that there should be ‘zero tolerance’ for inappropriate behavior: much easier to say than it is to accomplish it. That is as simplistic as “just say no to drugs.”

Now that they have hounded Franken out of the Senate with “zero process,” what kind of ‘fair and balanced’ evaluation are they proposing for the future? More of the same? Legislators need to be able to regulate their own behavior before they are credible brokers for the public.

The case study of Franken could have been a valuable one to begin to flesh out new policies and processes for allegations of bad behavior. Instead, we got a chorus of “off with his head” that seemed more like a scene from Alice in Wonderland. As a result, using Franken as a case study for the minor side of the problem (certainly compared to pedophilia) has been lost. The lessons were squandered.

One can only wonder if the rush to ’judgement’ was designed to help spare them the discomfort of having to talk about this situation over the holidays with friends and constituents, After all, that would have been a drag. Or perhaps they simply wanted to clean the slate so they could deal with the Republican offenders with 'clean hands.' Franken was just one of those unfortunate, non-felonius defendants who occasionally get collaterally executed to assure that we don't miss the real bad guys.

This same crew of ‘leaders’ better get busy and cook up a program before old Roy arrives.

While Franken left “voluntarily”, it was clearly with a pack of hounds after him. But the fundamental question isn’t if misbehavior should be dealt with, but whether the punishment matches the crime. With no formal process, this is unachievable. Ladies, have you no nuance? Can we now rely entirely on faceless accusers? According to Franken, whose apology was accepted by the only accuser with a face, the last accuser (supposedly the straw that broke the ladies’ camel’s back) was categorically denied by Franken. It sounds like it was actually the invisible straw that broke the camel’s back.

So if women in general, or in public office, are serious about deterring this behavior, they are going to have to do some more serious, uncomfortable and nuanced work. We don’t hang people for misdemeanors, or cut off the hands of minor offenders. Zero tolerance sounds good, but is a lazy way of sounding like you are doing something.

The big difference between Franken and Moore (aside from the huge disparity in the offenses—fake groping an adult vs. child molesting) is that Franken had the character to admit that he was wrong, while Moore and Trump totally and unconvincingly deny and lie about their criminal misbehaviors. If the Senators can’t separate these things, how could they expect to be reliable jurors for articles of impeachment for the *president?

We can’t call these problems equal, even though political hacks would like to make them moral equivalents…….they aren’t by a mile. For those lady Senators who seem so indignant, they need to distinguish between misdemeanors and felonies if we are to believe that they have the maturity to judge other matters on their plates that affect the public’s business.

Now that they have stepped out, they need to step up and deliver. History is watching.


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zapdam. 1 year 1 day ago


Great post my friend, I agree with you in all counts. As if the Democrats through their own stupidity haven't saddled America with one he'll of a mess, now their offing some of their best elected people.

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DdC 1 year 1 day ago
Tom Arnold: Leeann Tweeden was 'coached' on Al Franken sexual assault allegations.

In a series of tweets Wednesday night, Arnold said that Los Angeles-based radio broadcaster Leeann Tweeden's allegations were the result of a political attack involving longtime Trump confidante Roger Stone.

"I’m disappointed with my friend Leeann Tweedon [sic]," he said. "Her partner at KABC John Phillips is a Roger Stone pal & they coached her for weeks to bring Al Franken down. I’d hoped she’d use her voice to speak out for all women again predators like Roy Moore & Donald Trump but she’s a birther."

Seems to be a pattern of GOPerverted behavior.

Conservative group linked to woman who falsely accused Moore
Jaime Phillips, made up a fake story likely designed to embarrass the newspaper.
Project Veritas leader James O'Keefe

Collapse of ACORN
Breitbart’s Protege Dirtbag James O’Keefe agrees to pay $100,000 settlement

Scam artist James O’Keefe is back with a CNN “exposé” — and Republicans just can’t say no
Every O’Keefe video has turned out to be phony propaganda — but he tells Republicans what they want to hear

Hysteria produces such atrocious things as drug laws and mandatory minimum sentencing and evictions and unemployment. Lynchings and jury nullification's. When the orderly processes are bypassed, it is a lynching. I wouldn't trust Roger Stone as far as I could spit. One good thing about it, it is exposing the hypocrites and mentally deranged. To campare child molestation with adults consensual horseplay, at the time. Sure its serious but again, why so long? Nothing said at the time or even an awareness of trauma.

I mean we really believe Cannabis is as good as advertized. Still ...
Marijuana activists launch Roger Stone boycott

Trump Comments Spark Boycott of LA Cannabis Expo
On Thursday, the Minority Cannabis Business Association (MCBA) put up a Facebook post announcing its withdrawal from the expo due to the presence of Roger Stone, who is booked as a keynote speaker. Stone, a self-proclaimed political dirty trickster, is a longtime mentor and advisor to President Trump, and has a long history of ugly racial incidents in his past.

Trump ally Roger Stone has partially apologized for past racist statements amid an activist boycott of a cannabis conference over his being invited as a keynote speaker. "The President has told me he is a strong supporter of medicinal marijuana," he also said.

Roy Moore's claim that America was 'great'
during slavery resurfaces, sparking huge backlash

I felt it was an ambush and tit for tat since it surfaced. When Congress cares more about what it looks like. than what it is. Perceptions are worthy of investigation. None of it has surfaced since then or while he's been in the Senate. If a political death sentence for two adults is called justice, The women will be on their own. With a large chunk of Female Drumpfstirs standing by their "man". Good luck.

Stone, for his part, is invoking Democrat advocacy organization Media Matters, for some reason, even though there's no indication they're involved in the boycott.

Morgan Stone
~ Trump ally Roger Stone and Democratic donor John Morgan formally launched the United States Cannabis Coalition, a pro-legalization advocacy group.
~ Roger Stone Wants President Trump to Legalize Marijuana
~ Cut the sh*t’: Roger Stone calls out Jeff Sessions over marijuana
~ Roger Stone - Mr. President: Marijuana Is a States Rights Issue

I know PTSD and any trauma or stigma, can keep young boys and girls from speaking out against authority figures. Adults too. Kids told by adults like Moore its okay, is why it is statutory rape. Add that this adult was an Ass.DA. Same with adults holding things in from childhood and it surfaces decades later.

None of this, that has surfaced about Al Franken amount to trauma at the time or any signs of trauma between then and now. As I said, if she's involved with Stone, count me out. If women are at war with anyone with a penis, definitely count me out. The way to cure ignorance is by education FROM an informed source. A diversion from the GOPervert Moore is no reason for democrats to panic. But for what its worth I think the RNC and DNC are shafting all of us.

Roger Stone on a panel with Prohibitionist Kevin Sabet, Xeni Jordan, and Roy Wood, Jr., at Politicon

Roger Stone calls on Trump and Jeff Sessions to end the 'War on Weed'

I've supported women for equal rights and that includes in the work place and daily practice. I was one of the early ones in the 70s training women for maintenance jobs when previously the good old boys would lay them off and only grant them menial jobs. So I'm all for equal rights. As a small child I questioned my parents why the dog has a house and we don't have a cat house. They laughed at me. Didn't take long before one of the neighbor kids explained it. That's not really the best way of becoming informed.

But kids do pass on gossip from their parents. Stigmatizing and demonizing other kids was/is common. Segregation with clicks and gangs and physical violence handed down generation after generation into adulthood.

Now as the author said, "off with their heads"? Evolvolution does not happen over night or at the same rate for everyone. Money complicates it and politics diverts it so you can't even believe what you're hearing. A country of individuals selling their rights when so many have none to begin with. Sad.

Serving in the United States Senate has been the great honor of my life.
Full floor speech here:

Then stay and go with your original suggestion of using the Ethics Committee. Censor is even a stretch, but resigning over something years ago, is too much. Adults are not Roy Moore child molestations Fight!

I see equal pay as appropriate, for equal work. I find it harder to live in both worlds of women though. I'm ok with women driving, but then shouldn't they open my door? Or at least their own door? Equality shouldn't lower the bar so woman can tell dirty jokes or grope men or do pranks. It should civilize men from their Chicken (Little & Hawk) Coups. How much equality are we looking for? It seems all genders can learn from or by discrimination.

Hey dipshit, California is on fire and you haven't said a word about those Americans. Fake President!
Robin_Jefferson 1 year 22 hours ago

I truly can’t believe this debacle. I keep thinking to myself, “You know, the WORST part of all this is…..” only come up with some new “worst part” a short time later.

Just some of the “worst parts” about all this are:

The original photo showed Franken, the comedian, playing the part of the Douchebag, not being the same. (I suppose we’re supposed to believe Stephen Colbert is actually a radical right-wing Conservative now?)

It’s obviously a hit job. No, really, how is that NOT obvious?

We’re supposed to believe with all seriousness, that Franken groped numerous women at the State Fair. In front of the world. While hubby was taking a picture. A picture that shows no such thing. :|

When we take all allegations serious, we’re really taking NO allegations serious.

The until-recently absurd “Mike Pence Rule” is starting to seem like a good idea.

Democrats just spent far more energy ousting one of their own (and one of their best) than they’ve spent on any one of the bajillion horrible things the Republicans are doing (Taxes, Environment, the list is endless.)

By making this misguided attempt to gain some ‘high ground’, the Democrats have actually weakened their own standing, pissed off their base, and given Republicans plenty of fodder to say, “Look, Democrats are the REAL sexual abusers.”

Roy Moore will almost certainly still be elected by the ‘good people’ of Alabama, and the Franken Backstabbing makes it more likely, not less (see above).

As a corollary: Very soon, we’re going see a Senate without Al Franken but WITH Roy Moore.

Democrats have just made every BS conservative claim of “political correctness” seem plausible.

This could go on forever, but here’s what’s likely TRULY the worst part of all this: This is such a colossal F-up, that it will not only end up shifting power in the Senate now, but will help keep democrats out of power for another decade.

Don’t thinks so? Just look at what the base is saying over at Democratic Underground. Here’s but one example: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029952831 . There are SO many others.

With Schumer, Warren, Gildebrand, Sanders, etc., etc. on the wrong side of this one – I don’t feel I have anyone I can support. So where do we go from here?

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PhilfromOhio 1 year 11 hours ago

Dear Diane, Thanks for your classy, informative contribution to this dialogue. We can always count on you to bring everything down to a level that you can comprehend. What other anatomical parts do you like to obsess about?

You and Roy should go on a date. Now, admittedly, you may be a little old for his tastes, by 5 decades, but you could dress up in a school uniform and see how things go. Let US know how that works out. As they say, "if you don't go, you won't know."

Have a blessed date,

Monsignor Phil from Ohio

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Dianereynolds 52 weeks 20 hours ago

Thanks "father phil" but after what so many in your chosen path in life have been through, if I were you I would reconsider giving advice on the proper dating relationship between older men and much younger people.


Follow this advice from your hero AL

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Alberto Ceras 2 52 weeks 19 hours ago

Savor some sage sayings:

"Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof"Matthew 6:34.

The world has achieved brilliance without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.-Gen. Omar Bradley

We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly by embracing one another. Luciano de Crescenzo

Our task must be to free ourselves...by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty.-Albert Einstein

Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.-Leo Tolstoy

Do not go where the path may lead, go instead to where there is no path and leave a trail.-Ralph Waldo Emerson

And that great classic…

No wonder nobody comes here--it's too crowded.-Yogi Berra

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DdC 52 weeks 16 hours ago

“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
– Tolstoy

Coalage3 51 weeks 6 days ago

Franken would not have been advised to resign if Minn. had a republican governor. This is not about "protecting women", it is about trying to get rid of Trump. Franken was thrown under the bus. Franken must be shaking his head when he thinks about what Ted Kennedy got away with. At least Al can brag that no women have drowned in his car.

The dems think they can use this as another excuse to go after Trump. So far, the Russian investigation just isn't going the way they thought. Maybe they will have better success attacking him as a woman abuser.

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