Today, Friday, October 23, 2015, I was in my study working on this piece (and listening to Thom Hartmann, as usual) when Thom read a piece by Dominique Matti entitled, “Why I am Absolutely an Angry Black Woman". When Thom read the piece I was struck by its title, for I wrote an op-ed entitled “Baltimore and The Angry Black Man” back in May after the Baltimore “riots”. http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/melanicman/blog/2015/05/baltimore-and-....

As Thom continued to read Dominique’s piece, I became infuriated and contacted Thom. As I was waiting in the queue to speak with Thom, I was conversing with one of the show producers who said: “Kenyatta, you won’t believe the racist call I just got, it was unbelievable”. I had not, even remotely, finished this piece but I had a rough idea where I was going with it and articulated that to Thom; here is that conversation: http://kbcs.fm/programs/thom-hartmann/  

(Begins, in Hour 1 at 40.25 and ends at 45.49); and here is the op-ed that birthed it.

I know that white Americans are uneasy, or “dis-eased” when it comes to the black diaspora in the United States of Arrogance. I know that you are in a perpetual state of denial; for to accept reality, necessarily, requires you to exhibit a level of responsibility that you, heretofore, lack the character and courage to exhibit. To do so would mean that the entire house of cards on which you base your false sense of superiority would be blown away, and you would have to start anew on a level playing field and that frightens you. These things/denials are the prerequisites that you use, like a drug addict, to tell yourself you don’t have a problem…you are not “dis-eased”. If the blacks would just be quiet, it was so long ago, I did not own slaves; why don’t they just get over it and stop living in the past!

To that I say: it is what it is, because it was what it was.

You see, White man, I would love to “just get over it”. But, alas, I cannot. For I am constantly reminded of your kidnapping, enslavement, rape, exploitation and murder of my people. Every day, all day.

I am reminded when I see black people that come in more hues, hair types and eye colors than any other group of “Americans”. There are black people with stringy hair (like white folks) and curly hair. There are black people that span hues from “light, bright and damned near white” to those of us so dark we could put fingerprints on charcoal. There is Mulatto, Quadroon, Quintroon and Octaroon. This manifestation is a direct result of the Slave Breeding Industry and, more specifically, rape.

I am reminded when I hear the surname of most black “Americans” (get it "Suh"-Name). For most don’t even know their ancestral names (and never will); like the previous anomaly, it is unique to only us and we are the only people in this country that have names that remind us that we are a white man’s property. Go into any phone directory in any major U.S. city (you call it the “Inner-City”) and you will find page after page of black people with the name “Johnson” as in “John’s-son”…as in “boy”. You see, John was/is a quite common Anglo-Christian first name, and if you, as a black person, as property, as a “boy” were “owned” by John your name was John-son. Ironically, Johnson is not a common last name for white Americans. Same with Robert, Thom, William, etc. Just add son, son. The fellow that lives a few doors down from me is a black man named “Hartmann”. I am willing to bet that he is not related to Thom, and his African ancestors were not named “Hartmann”. He will never know what their names were, or even where in Africa he came from. For Africa is not a country, it is a continent.

A culture, a way of life was systematically erased. You can wipe out a generation of people, you can burn their homes to the ground and somehow they will still come back. But if you destroy their names, their religions, their languages, the foods they ate, their customs, their achievements, their history, it’s just like they never existed. Just ash floating. Lost, with no real home. A sociological disaster that neither they, nor both the witting and unwitting perpetrators of said disaster know how to reconcile.

I am reminded on this, the tenth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, of how the U.S. government places no value on the lives of my people. Where they, literally, rotted on the streets of New Orleans for weeks. And when the United States government finally did show up to “help” those that had already been victimized by mother-nature, they stuck automatic rifles in their faces. Those that tried to get out of the doomed city were met with white, blackist slave patrollers (aka Police) that killed them for trying to leave.

I am reminded by a recent report that showed that the average familial wealth of a white family is 12 times that of a black family. Ergo, white families leave their descendants greater and greater wealth; while black families leave their descendants greater and greater debt. The irony of which is that without the kidnapped African, there would be no wealth for the white man to leave his descendants.

I am reminded by the fact that the demographic with the shortest life expectancy in the United States is the black man. The lifetime of constant stress (physical, environmental and psychological), despondency, poor diet and inferior health care brings about his untimely demise. My father, a man that was the proverbial “salt of the earth”, a man that got on his knees and prayed every night, a man that served in the United States Marine Corp with distinction, a man who spent his entire adult life building airplanes at McDonnell-Douglas (now Boeing) was dead at age 56. His heart, literally, could take no more even though he had excellent health insurance and was one of few black men to receive a heart transplant. You see, there is even blackism in medicine in that black folks are typically way down on donor/recipient lists; especially for hearts.

I am reminded by Public Housing which serves as concrete prisons for black people across this country. These “reservations” or internal colonies are almost exclusively inhabited by my people and were designed for my people.

I am reminded by inferior schools that exist in every predominately black venue in this country; which helps remind me that it was illegal to teach my people to read and write. The only way out of bondage is education; for you are far more enslaved when your limbs are free but there are shackles and chains on your mind, than when you are physically chained.

I am reminded by a racially skewed justice system that sentenced a black man to 20 years in prison for having cocaine in a vehicle that was the property of the white boy driving it. The white boy was sentenced to three years probation and a “diversion” program. A “just-us” system that has absolutely nothing to do with justice and everything to do with how much money you have, and the color of your skin. The statistics bear out that if you are black you are more likely to not have the $50,000 to retain a decent attorney and will, thusly, get some arrogant, apathetic, overworked Public Defender who will never ask you “are you innocent?’ But will, instead, tell you how lucky you are that he/she “cut a deal” that will take years off of your already abbreviated life. The fact that you attended an inferior school eliminates any option you have of defending yourself, for there is a reason that the law is essentially taught in a language that has been dead for 2000 years,

I am reminded by the fact that we, as a people, are still pursued and summarily executed by slave patrols (aka “Police”). Sandra reminds me. Tamir reminds me. Freddie reminds me. Oscar reminds me. Michael reminds me. Walter reminds me. Tony reminds me…all within the last year and in not one case was the murderer brought to “justice”. They all got rewarded with a paid vacation.

I am reminded by the Oklahoma State chant that “there willl never be a Nigger SAE, you can hang him from a tree, but he’ll never sign with me”. I am reminded by Paula Dean, Donald Sterling and Hulk Hogan.

I am reminded by the three unsolved lynchings that have occurred in the United States this year of black men. Yep, white boy, I would love to "just get over it"...why don't you help me out.

With regard to the comments of many of you on this site, it is hard to really be mad at any of you. You are train-wreck fascinating. I am a "terrorist", "a monster", a "race baiter", etc. Thom’s wrong, I’m wrong, ALL of the black people (albeit, quite few) in the forum are wrong. Two Presidents are wrong (one Republican/Bush and one Democrat/Obama-twice) and their wives that (on White House stationary) have praised me as a parent, school administrators, judges, educators too numerous to mention…but you are right. Think about how frightening an alternative reality you live in when juxtaposed with easily verifiable facts. And, most frightening for me as a black man is that millions of you, most of you in fact, are like that as far as I can tell. You would rather believe a fable than upset your Blackist stereotypes. Now, if any of you dare challenge anything I have ever stated (in terms of facts) contact Thom’s staff, let them do their due diligence and they will put us together and I will, and can, substantiate anything I have ever stated as fact; and you will do the same. Why do you think I eternally memorialize things in ink? Given the status quo, I would have to be retarded to not realize that the things I say and write (here and everywhere else) are permanent records; that’s the whole godamned point. I will not leave this earth an “Invisible Man (Ralph Ellison)”. My daughters will be able to show their children (should they ever see fit to have any, and given the current state of affairs I would be lobbying against that) who their father/grandfather was. They will have irrefutable proof of who he was, and is. For my youngest, precious little creature that I have raised alone her entire life, I will leave her a legacy of education, truth, thought, literacy, self-respect, cultural and historic respect and, most importantly, the litany of examples that you have provided me as evidentiary verification of why I am absolutely correct that you are cognitively dissonant, and have raised her as I have. You see, when you have and love a child, you will never be a “success” until they are.

You folks have missed the boat. I am already a success; that ship sailed eons ago. It is success that can never be taken away, for it is not predicated upon a flimsy foundation and falsehoods.

I will continue, until my demise, to infect as many people, both young and old, with the virus of truth, independent thought, logic and intelligence to, thusly, bring about rebellion. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. The Revolution is when you start to change your mind; especially when something is not working for you. There will be no cameras there. No “YouTube”, no Facebook, social media, nothing. Just an intellectual “selfie”.

Better get that makeover while you’ve still got time...however little.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 4 weeks ago
#1

On my Facebook page! You may have outdone yourself this time, brother. Beautiful, just beautiful.

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hollygolightly 2 years 4 weeks ago
#2

I feel that people that continually express views like yours, both black rascism and white racism will continue to divide our nation.

In my opinion, you are the problem, not the solution.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 4 weeks ago
#3

Facts are not "views". And the FACT is " your nation" has ALWAYS been "divided" in this regard...and was built on that division. No, you are not "part of the problem", you ARE the problem. Your ignorance is the problem that leads to your denial which is an even greater problem; and there can be no "black racism" in the United States. Try reading a dictionary from time to time. Speaking the truth is not racism.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#4

Weez'n por folk jus'un dunt noz hows good we'n has it. Dunt yo noz that brother?

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Aliceinwonderland 2 years 3 weeks ago
#5

(YAWN)

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Willteain 2 years 3 weeks ago
#6

I have always fought against racism and I am sickened by white racists. That said, I have been on the receiving end of extreme black racism for being honest about President Obama's awful record on middle-class economic issues. Both races need to take a breath. Broad-brushing whites is as bad as stereotyping blacks - even worse when you consider some blacks are brutalizing their allies. These are sad times.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#7

Brother Kenyatta, I believe that essay is what can be called splitting an arrow in the middle of the bulls eye.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#8

reply #6

What is that extreme racism you speak of willteain?

You've been talking to the wrong black people.

Obama is an uncle tom.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#9

Brother Allen! Good to see you. Yeah, Brother K is shaking 'em up real good like. We were both worried about you. That canine pack mentality tells all, don't you think? I can't believe that some of these folks honestly believe that they can intimidate somebody in "Cyberspace" or Cybertheid as Kenyatta puts it. All I can say is, when you write a check make sure your ass can sign it.

At my gig now, but stay tuned...this just gets better and better. And thanx for the giggles.

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VoodooChile 2 years 3 weeks ago
#10

Mr. Kenyatta. I also was listening to Thom when you spoke last a few days ago. I was moved beyond anything I can say. So much so that I decided to register and leave this message. I am also white and after hearing you I have read some of your posts and the corresponding comments. All I can say is that you are vital, and stay the course. Do not be intimidated, that is what white people have always counted on when it comes to blacks. I know I have seen it in my 70 years. I am a Vietnam veteran from Georgia, black men saved my life even though they were not allowed many of the privileges I enjoyed while in the US Army. I will support you in any way I can.

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#11

My graduating class in high school was about 40% Black, 60% White. We all got along just fine. It's only in retrospect, as an adult, that I can see some truths about race in this country. Truths from my point of view, as a White male:

Although I went to school with so many Black students, after about ninth grade, I only had classes with a few of them. I was in AP classes, which were almost exclusively White. Most of my contact with Black students was in passing them in the hallway. At graduation, there were literally dozens of Black students who, when I heard their name, I was like, "who?!?!".

It wasn't racism. It was just a lack of anything in common. Few shared classes, few shared friends, etc...

In retrospect, high school was like a smaller version of my adult life in the city I live in today. Chicago is about 35% Black. I spend my entire day within the city limits, yet I can count on one hand the number of Blacks I have any interaction with any week. And that "interaction" is usually the customer service type.

In college, and in every place I've worked since, I haven't had the opportunity to befriend any Black person, because they simply haven't been around. A quick scan of my Facebook friends list will show a very diverse group - Whites, Hispanics, and Asians, about 300 or so people I've known over the years. But only one Black person - a woman I knew in high school - the only Black student in my AP English class my senior year. I still consider her a good friend, although we live on separate sides of the country now.

It's not like I live in some all-White city or state. Even my neighborhood is very diverse - every type of person except Black.

I was inspired to write this because of the title of the thread. I'm not sure how many Whites are saying Blacks should just "get over" slavery. I'm not sure how many Whites are saying anything at all to Blacks, other than maybe: "Good luck with that."

It's sort of a societal indifference towards Black people, although no one wants to admit it.

Even my most Liberal friends here in this Liberal city won't even consider sending their children to a school that has a majority Black student body. There's a real sense of "Someone should do something about this... But not me...."

Would you consider that racism? Someone who thinks, "Whatever", when they hear about the plight of a group of people? Because that's the vibe I get from the people I am around all day. It's not, "I just don't like Black people", like it may have been in the past. Now it's just, "Whatever... I have my own problems....Good luck with your struggles...." And so on.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#12

ShytownMatt, you kinda answer your own question. I will tell you this, there are laws all over the place that criminalize "indifference". For example, your buddies rob a bank and you know about it and fail to act, you can be charged with that crime. If you are a "mandated reporter" such as a teacher and you fail to report suspected child abuse you can be charged. It is called complicity. The fact that your friends are so "indifferent" to black people more than others qualifies as being peculiar. And yes, we (black people in the U.S) hear that all of the time from whites "get over it", or variations of the same thing, just look at the comments on Brother Kenyatta's many essays on this site.

I appreciate your honesty and I know Brother Kenyatta does too.

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#13

I guess my question for any generic "Angry Black Man/Woman" would be: "What do you want, exactly?" Or, "Where is all of this anger getting you? Are you content to spend the rest of your life angry like this? Are you just venting? Or are you looking for solutions to quell your anger?"

When you encounter an angry person, you should ask:

1. Is this any of my business?

2. Is there anything you can do about it?

3. Will doing something about it just make other people angry?

So I'll assume the role of the typical White American, which I am, and answer these questions about any generic Black American:

1. No, it's not really my business. They're not mad at me, personally. They're mad at a history and a system that I was born into, just like them.

2. I can't change history. All I can do it treat people equally, which I do.

3. How did Affirmative Action workout? It was an attempt to rectify a past injustice, yes. But didn't it just make more people angry than it helped? Now every White person who isn't successful (and there are a lot of them) can use the "I wasn't hired/admitted/promoted because they had a quota of Blacks they had to fill". It didn't fix anything. It just multipled the anger.

On a macro scale, when there is a small minority of people who are angry about something that can't be changed or rectified without angering an even larger group of people, what choice is there but indifference?

Yes, I can't speak on behalf of all Whites, any more that you can speak on behalf of all Blacks. I suspect that most Blacks aren't nearly as angry as some Progressives might believe.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
#14

Matt, first off, there are no "generic black people". Second, what I believe black people "want" is for white people to tell the truth about the history of this country and what really happened to us; once that happens an honest discussion can be had as to why things that are peculiar to black people exist, and subsequently meaningful remedies might be developed. And as far as our "anger" goes...what might you suggest? That we continue to sing "we shall overcome" while getting our heads bashed in and murdered on the streets? Was it not anger and, yes, violence, that formed the United States that you so love (at our expense, by the way)? If there was a way, without anger, to affect change, there would be no need for the advent of "anger" in the first place, for "anger" does not occur in a vacuum. The problem is that white folks concentrate on the "what" and not the "why". Why, you ask? Because to concentrate on the "why" entails accepting responsibility whether it be elicit, complicit, active or passive. THAT is something that, as far as I have gathered, you, as a group, are either incapable of doing; or, more than likely, unwilling to do. OUR children are being murdered by white cops (overwhelmingly so). Our sisters, brothers, husbands and wives as well. Our churches are being burned down; imagine the outcry of white folks were there a similar number of synagogues being torched in the United States of Arrogance. For us to not be "angry" borders on being ...no IS, ludicrous; it is, in fact, psychotic. and you would indict no other people for their "anger", under the prevailing circumstances, the way you indict and malign black people. You need to ask yourself why that is.

As a matter of fact, and record, I have spoken with Thom Hartmann on the fact that black people are not angry enough. I am fascinated by their mollification (which has a lot to do with terrorism). Only when they (we) get "angry" enough will the equation change. My dad used to tell me: "boy, you can't fall off of the ground" That is the danger that whites face, an increasingly despondent "I have nothing to lose" black population.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Affirmative Action, which is a white man's construct...is a white man's construct. The main problem is that the arrogance of whites leads them to believe that THEY are qualified to determine what we should think, how we should think and who best "represents" us. How many black men (or women) have white people EVER supported WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE that spoke the truth about the "plight" (as you put it) of black people? I'll save you some time...NONE. Even the dead man that whites so love now (not so much when he was alive) that was a pacifist white folks murdered. When a black man or woman, like myself, Brother RS Allen, Brother Turner, Gil Scott-Heron, Malcolm X, Martin King, Frederick Douglas, Langston Hughes, James Baldwin, Huey Newton, Bobby Seals, Angela Davis, Sojourner Truth, etc bring you (white folks) a message that confronts you, you become belligerent truth be damned. Even LBJ referred to Martin Luther King as "that ungrateful, uppity nigger". THAT is the problem.

Have you ever asked yourself the question: is there a connection between the condition of these people and what we have done to them over centuries? Now you ease your dis-ease by telling yourself, "that is the past", "I had nothing to do with that", "I treat everyone the same", I don't see color". Well, if you "don't see color", you don't see me. I suggest you read the seminal work (book) by Ralph Ellison entitled "The Invisible Man"

You love subserviant negros like Uncle Clarence Thomas, Barack Obama, Ben Carson, etc. But when a black man talks about using YOUR methods and treating you like you treat him, suddenly you take issue.

You started out fairly honest, lets see how long it takes before that honesty is corrupted by White Privilege.

I thank you for you for your candor and participation. I try not to "comment" on my own writings, but your comment was thoughtful enough that I felt compelled to do so.

Keep thinking and good luck to you.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#15

If anything you and your "progressives" have underestimated our anger. What say you Brother Allen, Brother Kenyatta?

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
#16

Sorely underestimated, Ghost.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#17

I've got nothing I can repeat here inre to that WASP. Even given the racist view beginning at his first paragraph the ugliest part of him has yet to come forth and there's even worse news after that; he claims he's a f'kn school teacher.

So I've got nothing to say to that MF'er except he'd better stay in his little gated community when he flaps his mouth and if he values life and limb keep the mouth shut when he's out on the street.

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#18

Wow. I thought I was just being honest, not racist. But I guess I'm seeing the world from a privledged point of view. I'm not a WASP though. I'm a WASC. And I'm not a Progressive.

what I believe black people "want" is for white people to tell the truth about the history of this country and what really happened to us

I'm not sure how long it has been since you've been in school, but the horrors of slavery and the subsequent racism are part of the standard curriculum. They have been since the 70s. No one of consequence is denying the horrible things that happened to Africans. I say "of consequence", because you can always find a few fringe people who will tell you that slavery was good for Africans. You can find anything on the internet, if you try hard enough.

I went to school in the 80s and 90s, and I also remember learning that Africans who were brought here for slavery were already slaves in Africa, at the hands of other Africans, and that inter-African slavery still exists today. And there were African slaveholders here in the USA too. No, that doesn't make the past right or justified. But I've noticed that seems to have been taken out of the curriculum today. The focus today seems to be squarely on white guilt. And that white guilt is largely rejected by white Americans today, who will say (you've heard all of these already, I'm sure): "My ancestors came here post-slavery", "My ancestors fought against slavery", My Irish/Jewish ancestors were treated like shit too", and so on.

And as far as our "anger" goes...what might you suggest?
Any suggestion from me would immediately go through your "Privledged White Guy" filter and be rejected. To the outside observer, the anger of a few vocal Blacks is similar to the anger of a few vocal whites - the "The South Will Rise Again", Confederate-flag waving types of Whites. They are so convinced that a radical change is coming.... there there will be a revolution.... that their anger at a past they can't change will be quelled. All the time the modern world has moved on and largely forgotten them. Will there come a time in their lives, maybe when they are 70 or 80 and close to death, that they realize "anger" as a baseline mood hasn't done them any good?

THAT is something that, as far as I have gathered, you, as a group, are either incapable of doing; or, more than likely, unwilling to do.

I'm admit that I'm guilty of looking at Blacks as a homogenous group. Judging from your statement, you are just as guilty of looking at Whites as a homogenous group. It's a dangerous road to go down, if we start juding an entire group on the actions of a few. If someone were to say that Black hostility towards Whites is justified because some Whites committed crimes against some Blacks (like a videotaped cop beating), is it then ok for Whites to be suspicious of Blacks because some Blacks committed crimes against them? I've had two crimes committed against me in my life that required a police report - both larceny, and both committed by young Black males.

As a matter of fact, and record, I have spoken with Thom Hartmann on the fact that black people are not angry enough. I am fascinated by their mollification (which has a lot to do with terrorism).

Or because they realize that anger doesn't work. They only harm themselves and their own communities. When that anger has boiled over into riots in the street, did those communities see an improvement afterwards?

You call it mollification via terrorism. I'd say mollification via maturity and attainment and comfort. Things are only horrible to those who choose to dwell in it. And yes, that's another privledged White guy thing I've heard from other Whites: Variations of: "They (poor, inner-city Blacks) will NEVER be happy..."

I'm not arguing that anger isn't justified. I'm just arguing that it's not doing any good. Besides centuries os slavery and racism, Blacks also got a raw deal in more recent times. Right when they were poised to rise economically as a group, in the 60s and 70s, the means by which that rise would come - high-paying manufacuting jobs - left. That was followed by a wave of Hispanic immigration which made them (Hispanics) the second-largest minority. That trend will only continue. And what I hear from a lot of Hispanics is: "We came here with nothing, and we made it... so Blacks who start with nothing have no excuse." You've probably heard that before too.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Same. I actually appreciate the discussion. It's very eye-opening. Thank you.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#19

This while I watch a. 300 pound white boy hiding behind a badge slamming a 15 year old black little girl down on the ground, and dragging her from class. Wonder what would be the response had that been a 300 pound black man doing that to a little precious white girl.

Since you seem to know what we think, I will say no more except this: you have your warriors,..and we have ours.

Legend 2 years 3 weeks ago
#20

I lived in Ghana back in the 80's. One thing to remember is there was supply and demand. White men sailed from Europe to the coast of Africa. Traded or paid for slaves from the coastal tribes. The coastal tribes went inland and captured another tribe and traded them to the white eurpeans. In the case of Ghana it was the coastal Fanti that went inland and captured the inland Twi. Granted white europeans created the demand, it was coastal Africans that created the supply. Slavery was terrible practice for all.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#21

reply #18

If you wanted to be honest, you could start with admitting what those damn AP classes from schooling you're always trotting out really stand for. Let me give you a hint, it didn't mean Advanced Placement because of intelligence.

Haven't you ever wondered why it magically all turned white? Yeah, you're special alright.

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#22
Since you seem to know what we think, I will say no more except this: you have your warriors,..and we have ours.

Now you really do sound like one of those White supremicists, itching for a race war that's never going to happen. Dylan Roof thought he was going to trigger one, right? And what's happened as a result? He's largely been forgotten by the masses, his 24-hours of news being over. The only lasting legacy, besides nine heartbroken families, is the removal of the Confederate flag from the Capitol Building grounds in SC, right?

This while I watch a. 300 pound white boy hiding behind a badge slamming a 15 year old black little girl down on the ground, and dragging her from class.
And all Whites are to blame for the misdeeds of one? And, again, if you want to go that route - blaming a whole race for the actions of a few - you should Google "Black on White Crime" and see if Whites, too, have justification for being angry. Check out Youtube too. It's not too hard to find videos of Blacks committing crimes against Whites. That includes Blacks in positions of authority.

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#23

If you wanted to be honest, you could start with admitting what those damn AP classes from schooling you're always trotting out really stand for. Let me give you a hint, it didn't mean Advanced Placement because of intelligence.

Haven't you ever wondered why it magically all turned white? Yeah, you're special alright.

Actually yes, I have wondered about that. And I'm not the only one. The "Achievement Gap" is a huge issue in education today. It has been since Integration in the 60s and 70s, and every attempt to close the gap has failed. The macro failure of integrated schools is one of the open secrets that everyone in education can see, but few will admit to. Because it's loaded with racism on both sides.

Generally, students of all races do about the same until fifth grade. But then, by eighth grade, Asian, White, and Hispanic students, in that order, begin to pull away from Black students when it comes to standardized test scores. That trend is even worse in Chicago.

And it's not right. No one is saying it's right. What everyone is saying, in educational circles at least, is how can we fix this?

From my point of view, school choice is the way to go. CPS spends just under $13,000 per student per year, the majority of those students are Black or Hispanic, and the majority of them will never graduate. So CPS is spending all of that money for naught. Meanwhile, private schools like mine always get better results, and the tuition here is only $5,000 per year. School choice would save the city money AND help close the achievement gap.

But that idea never gains traction in a Liberal city like Chicago.

Teabaggers are often called "useful idiots" by Thom, because they don't realize the side they vote for is the same side that's keeping them down. Do Blacks ever feel the same way? That's a sincere question. Particularly an angry Black person. Do you ever feel like you're being pushed towards anger for someone else's agenda? Someone who doesn't really care about you.

That reminds me of something I heard during the Fergusson riots. Someone, I forget who, said, "Let's be honest... those reporters were going to set fires themselves, if no one else did. Because riots and fires are good for ratings."

Besides the increased ratings and ad revenue for the media, which benefits rich White people, did anything positive come from the Fergusson, or Baltimore, or any other riots? Maybe higher voter turnout for Democrats? Also mostly rich Whites.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
#24

Matt, I had zero intent of further involvement in this "debate", but, when you personally insult me I, once again, am compelled to respond. I do not recall, heretofore, insulting you; please correct me if I am wrong.

"I'm not sure how long it has been since you've been in school, but the horrors of slavery and the subsequent racism are part of the standard curriculum." Now, Matt, I could think any number of crude, in fact vile, responses to that but I will refrain from doing so...as best I can. Nonetheless, for the record, I graduated High School at 15; I completed my college education before I was old enough to legally buy a beer. I am a PhD candidate and a single parent of a 16 year old female (that I have raised alone since the day she was born) who has received the President's Award for Outstanding Academic Achievement three times from Barack and Michelle Obama, and once from George and Laura Bush. She is perpetually on honor roll; she has a 4.3 g.p.a. As a Junior her classes are as follows: !st Period-AP Biology, 2nd Period-Pre Calculus, 3rd Period AP English/Composition,4th Period-Latin III, 5th Period AP US History, 6th Period-Speech and Debate (Forensics, of which I am one of the coaches) her Forensics Team is nationally in the top ten every year for the past twenty and won Mock Trials last year nationwide#1; she is the only black student in all as her school is predominately white. Point is, I take umbrage to your comment as it is equally obtuse as well as arrogant; how dare you make such a condescending statement. Further, as the Thom Hartmann demographic goes (white, male, fairly educated and between 60 and 75 years old), I am a tadpole in my early 50's. I am a prolific writer, speak to "disadvantaged" students all over the State of California and am an icon in my childs High School. Additionally, as you can see from my linguistic dexterity, I am of considerable intellect as well as being formidable from a literary standpoint. Not only do I read and write with brutal precision, I also speak with the same prowess; search my op-ed's in the searchbox above and you will find same replete with audio and video clips of me. Anecdotally, I speak, read and write fluent Deutsch.

You've a lot a nerve. Now, what is your cirirculum vitae?

Maybe with someone a little more dense than I might you get away with your artful dodging; however, my academic background is heavily legal. Ergo, I tend to think, for better or worse, like a lawyer. Having said that, it did (and does) not escape me the convenience with which you failed to answer certain interrogatories, here are a few:

(1). And as far as our "anger" goes...what might you suggest?

(2). How many black men (or women) have white people EVER supported WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE that spoke the truth about the "plight" (as you put it) of black people?

(3). Have you ever asked yourself the question: is there a connection between the condition of these people and what we have done to them over centuries?

(4). Our churches are being burned down; imagine the outcry of white folks were there a similar number of synagogues being torched in the United States of Arrogance (and though not a direct question, it is an inferred query that you conveniently failed to address).

(5). What would be the response of white folks when a black man murders your 12 year old for having a toy gun in three seconds and he gets a paid vacation (essentially rewarded for doing it)? Same with all of the horrendous mureders of black people this year. And, to plagiarize Brother Turner, what if a 300 pound black man slams your "precious little white" 15 year GIRL old on the ground and drags her out of class; what would your response be? Let me save you some trouble...you people would go APE SHIT. Can you say Susan Smith?

In a more "generic white people" sense, I have asked the following (for over a year, on this site, and never received an answer):

(1). What other group of people have been subjugated in the same way that you can point to that have "done well" in the United States?

(2), What other group of people have you consistently murdered those that stood up for them (be it MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK or Lincoln-though Lincoln was a Blackist bastard, he did what was politically expedient)?

(3). What other group of "Americans" were considered property and, thusly, excluded from the 'Declaration of Independence" that you are so enormously proud of?

(4). Why are the people on the wrong end of your drones, cluster bombs (illegal by international law), nuclear weapons, missiles and bullets always people of color, Melanicpeople, be it internationally or domestic?

(4). Aside from the "that's different" catchall, how do you explain being the most violent nation on earth and the worlds greatest purveyor of arms and violence, with a military budget that exceeds that of all of the worlds nations combined; yet you are so "peace" loving? And, as a follow up, if it is good for you and works for you, why is it not good for others?

I'm done with you, Matt. You are intellectually dishonest as well as being morally fraudulent.

#20-"Legend", I am not quite sure whether or not to be tickled to the point of hysteria, or insulted to the point of rage. I will not be so gentle with you, for I am somewhat familiar with your "style" shall I say. You, as a black person in the United States of Arrogance, know that the white boy has run out of ammunition when he is relegated to the "black people" are responsible for slavery bovine feces. I mean really. But for the sake of shitz and giggles, let's run with that moronic premise of yours and then you can riddle me this: Name some of these United States "Black Slaveowners" that you speak of (be specific, no three legged spiders). Then, once you do that, provide me examples of how they wantonly raped the female black slaves for breeding purposes to, as Thomas Jefferson said, "add to the capital". Then, once you do that, show me where these so-called "Black Slaveowners" lynched and brutalized their slaves., donned robes, put pillow cases over their heads, burned crosses and murdered them. You are a sick MF, and unlike Matt, who is simply ignorant, you have a milignancy in thought that sticks out like a sore thumb to those of us that are familiar with your ilk.

I'm done here, got another piece to finish. I trust you are all in good hands. I think I have made my point in abundance; but just in case I failed to inspire the mentally dullest among us, I present to you this: http://niggermania.com/afnfaq/pg/NigManual.html

Brothers Allen and Turner, Sister Panther, Voodoo Chile, I love you all; keep on keepin' on.

Carpe Diem.

I have nothing further.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#25

#21- Brother Allen , are you suggesting that "AP" is Anglo Placement?

Laffin My Ass Off.

Brother Kenyatta, I know you said you are done here but I just want you to know how much respect I have for you. I always have since we were kids. White boys gonna have to come up with some new shit for you, dude. For real.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#26

#21-oops.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#27

" AP"...Aryan Playhouse?

By the way, Brother K, I need to talk to you about that "manual". That speaks volumes. For real, my brother.

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 3 weeks ago
#28

There’s enough in this short Democracy Now report to cause any decent, thoughtful, caring person to weep.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/28/headlines

South Carolina: Feds Probe Officer’s Arrest of High School Student

Federal authorities have launched a civil rights investigation to determine if a white sheriff’s deputy in South Carolina broke the law when he slammed an African-American high school student to the ground in her classroom. Ben Fields was operating as a school resource officer at Spring Valley High School. Viral video shows him grabbing the student around her neck, flipping both her and her desk to the ground and then dragging her across the floor. The student was arrested. Another student, Niya Kenny, who filmed the assault, was also arrested and held on a $1,000 bail. Kenny spoke to WLTX.

Niya Kenny: "I was in disbelief. I know this girl don’t got nobody, and I couldn’t believe this was happening. I had never seen nothing like that in my life, like a man use that much force on a little girl—a big man, like 300 pounds of full muscle. I was like, 'No way, no way.' Like, you can’t do that to no little girl. I’m talking about, she’s like 5’6". And I was screaming, 'What the F? What the F? Is this really happening?' I was praying out loud for the girl. And I just—I couldn’t believe it was happening. I was just crying, and he was like, 'Well, since you got so much to say, you're coming, too.’ And I was like, 'What?' And he—’What? You want some of this?’ M-mm, just put my hands behind my back."

The incident reportedly began when the student refused to give her teacher her phone. The teacher called an administrator, who summoned Officer Fields to remove the student. Fields has been suspended without pay. We’ll have more on the case after headlines.

Yes, that officer deserves harsh punishment and immediate firing but there's something else. How sad it is that the brave Niya Kenny, through no fault of her own, is uneducated and in high school. Typical? Probably. Sadly. What has happened to U.S. schools? What is - or more correctly, isn't - taught in her home?

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#29

Well, Albert King of nothing, why don't we start with YOUR apparent illiteracy since without "cut and paste" you have NOTHING original nor of substance to say. Your less than subtle slight of black people, though pitiful, is routine for you. Here is a thought: instead of you being so intensely jealous of Brother Kenyatta's writing skill and intellect, you can enroll in a creative writing class at your local Community College. Or, better yet, get your GED!

To your credit, at least your sorry ass did not give us a Blackist-Racist sports story; even though your comment (as usual) is spam that has NOTHING to do with the essay by the brother. You keep trying, like others, to derail the topic and co-opt these threads with your envious garbage. Kenyatta is an intellectual thorn in your white privileged side and you will NEVER be able to vanquish him. He is a reminder that you white boys ain't "all that". I bet you people hate black men being here, in your electronic sanctuary, letting you have it!

You have some real issues, dude, which is cool, just admit to them and quit trying to NOT SOUND like the fool you clearly are. In other words, plead the Fifth.

Welcome to the SANC...no doughboy, not the Kitchen Sanc. SANC is the Smart Ass Nigger Club. And, though I just made that up, I am a card carrying member.

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 3 weeks ago
#30

A well educated person has no need to inform others of that fact. It becomes apparent in everything that the person utters. An intelligent person may have little or no formal education while a stupid person might - and some do - acquire a PhD.

I have offered suggestions, some can be found here:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/r-kenyatta/blog/2015/08/blackism-exper...

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#31

Sorry if my question came off as sounding condesending. That's not how I intended it. Such is the state of political discourse online - it's easy to assume the other person is being snarky. I was being sincere. Since I am just in my 30s, The only world I've known has been one where the realities of slavery and racism have been part of the curriculum in every state. I don't know when that started though.

Like I said, no one of consequence is denying how Africans got the worst of everything in this country from before this was even a country, up until and including the modern times. And maybe there was a time when mass anger would have led to improvements. Actually, wasn't that a major driver in the Civil Rights Movement? Anger spilling out into the streets?

Part of me wishes I was alive during that time period. Maybe I'd have a different world view. Today, when I hear about "protests" in the media, I see a few dozen, maybe a few hundred people standing around and shouting to the cameras, and just as many police officers standing on the sidelines. So yes, actually, I can see how you could call that mollification via "terrorism".

When was the last time a protest, not just for racial reasons, but any reason, was effective? The biggest/most sustained/most popular one of my lifetime has probably been the Occupy Wall Street protest. And ultimately, it didn't spark any real change. It just kind of annoyed the people who were nearby.

There have been anti-war and other protests in Chicago since I've lived here. They're sparsely attended, and are treated more like a traffic story than a news story now. In fact, there were protests near McCormick Place just this week, because of a policeman's gathering. Obama even spoke at it. I saw a grand total of maybe 20 protestors - looked like college kids - blocking traffic near the area. So they managed to annoy a few people on that particular block.

But that, (sadly, some might say), is the reality of the world I live in. I've heard it echoed by other people on Thom's show before: Protests don't work. Voting doesn't change things. The status quo is always maintained. "They" (I'm guessing the plutocrats?) have won.

Anyway, I really do respect you and your views. I enjoy hearing different points of view. That's why I sought out Progressive radio in the first place. I knew what the Conservatives were going to say.

ChicagoMatt 2 years 3 weeks ago
#32

Concerning the video of the school cop and the student which has come up in this thread. The way this, and all other videos like this recently, will play out is easy to see:

1. People come in to the conversation with their pre-existing views. In this case, either:

a. Teenage Black students have no respect for authority, or

b. White cops, teachers, and administrators have no respect for teenage Black students

2. The media picks up on the video. Most likely because they know it will bring in traffic.

3. People see in the video the side of the story that confirms their pre-concieved notions above.

4. Social media gets flooded with videos of the opposite happening, claiming that the media is ignoring it. My news feed had five such videos of Black students beating White teachers and administrators. Two of them claim they were filmed on the same day as the cop was filmed in South Carolina. These videos all had hundreds of thousands of views.

5. Both sides say, "See... I told you so...."

6. The 24-hour news cycle rolls on, and people go about their daily business.

7. Nothing substantial changes. People on both sides who started off angry stay angry. People who started off indifferent stay indifferent.

Legend 2 years 3 weeks ago
#33
Quote R. Kenyatta:

#20-"Legend", I am not quite sure whether or not to be tickled to the point of hysteria, or insulted to the point of rage. I will not be so gentle with you, for I am somewhat familiar with your "style" shall I say. You, as a black person in the United States of Arrogance, know that the white boy has run out of ammunition when he is relegated to the "black people" are responsible for slavery bovine feces. I mean really. But for the sake of shitz and giggles, let's run with that moronic premise of yours and then you can riddle me this: Name some of these United States "Black Slaveowners" that you speak of (be specific, no three legged spiders). Then, once you do that, provide me examples of how they wantonly raped the female black slaves for breeding purposes to, as Thomas Jefferson said, "add to the capital". Then, once you do that, show me where these so-called "Black Slaveowners" lynched and brutalized their slaves., donned robes, put pillow cases over their heads, burned crosses and murdered them. You are a sick MF, and unlike Matt, who is simply ignorant, you have a milignancy in thought that sticks out like a sore thumb to those of us that are familiar with your ilk.

Did you get mixed up as to who you were responding to. This above response makes absolutely not sense to my #20 post.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#34

King Albert, stoopid is, as stoopid does. More and more I am thinking you are senile slso. I still encourage you to get that GED though...it's never too late! By the way, I DO like that shade of green your sporting, you look like a key-lime pie.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#35

Matt, I don't think "protesting" is part of Brother Kenyatta's overall strategy.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#36
Quote ChicagoMatt:

If you wanted to be honest, you could start with admitting what those damn AP classes from schooling you're always trotting out really stand for. Let me give you a hint, it didn't mean Advanced Placement because of intelligence.

Haven't you ever wondered why it magically all turned white? Yeah, you're special alright.

Actually yes, I have wondered about that. And I'm not the only one. The "Achievement Gap" is a huge issue in education today. It has been since Integration in the 60s and 70s, and every attempt to close the gap has failed. The macro failure of integrated schools is one of the open secrets that everyone in education can see, but few will admit to. Because it's loaded with racism on both sides.

Generally, students of all races do about the same until fifth grade. But then, by eighth grade, Asian, White, and Hispanic students, in that order, begin to pull away from Black students when it comes to standardized test scores. That trend is even worse in Chicago.

And it's not right. No one is saying it's right. What everyone is saying, in educational circles at least, is how can we fix this?

From my point of view, school choice is the way to go. CPS spends just under $13,000 per student per year, the majority of those students are Black or Hispanic, and the majority of them will never graduate. So CPS is spending all of that money for naught. Meanwhile, private schools like mine always get better results, and the tuition here is only $5,000 per year. School choice would save the city money AND help close the achievement gap.

But that idea never gains traction in a Liberal city like Chicago.

Teabaggers are often called "useful idiots" by Thom, because they don't realize the side they vote for is the same side that's keeping them down. Do Blacks ever feel the same way? That's a sincere question. Particularly an angry Black person. Do you ever feel like you're being pushed towards anger for someone else's agenda? Someone who doesn't really care about you.

That reminds me of something I heard during the Fergusson riots. Someone, I forget who, said, "Let's be honest... those reporters were going to set fires themselves, if no one else did. Because riots and fires are good for ratings."

Besides the increased ratings and ad revenue for the media, which benefits rich White people, did anything positive come from the Fergusson, or Baltimore, or any other riots? Maybe higher voter turnout for Democrats? Also mostly rich Whites.

Nice little side step there, but you didn't answer to my point and in fact completely ignored it by wandering into the weeds of private schools vs public schooling. You still believe you placed in this AP studies program for something other than Anglo Privilege don't you. (actually I think I prefer Anglo Plague. Which do you like?)

Golly look how much better you did then those erstwhile classmates of yours. Hmmm, funny isn't it they all seem to have been Black that got left behind. Yeah no doubt you now try to assauge your feelings of guilt by doing some mental exercises about achievement gaps within the school system.

I'm not going to waste my time doing anymore weed hacking for you just to run into more of your meandering bullshit. You do your own damn backyard this week jack.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#37
Quote Alberto Ceras 2:

There’s enough in this short Democracy Now report to cause any decent, thoughtful, caring person to weep.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/28/headlines

South Carolina: Feds Probe Officer’s Arrest of High School Student

Federal authorities have launched a civil rights investigation to determine if a white sheriff’s deputy in South Carolina broke the law when he slammed an African-American high school student to the ground in her classroom. Ben Fields was operating as a school resource officer at Spring Valley High School. Viral video shows him grabbing the student around her neck, flipping both her and her desk to the ground and then dragging her across the floor. The student was arrested. Another student, Niya Kenny, who filmed the assault, was also arrested and held on a $1,000 bail. Kenny spoke to WLTX.

Niya Kenny: "I was in disbelief. I know this girl don’t got nobody, and I couldn’t believe this was happening. I had never seen nothing like that in my life, like a man use that much force on a little girl—a big man, like 300 pounds of full muscle. I was like, 'No way, no way.' Like, you can’t do that to no little girl. I’m talking about, she’s like 5’6". And I was screaming, 'What the F? What the F? Is this really happening?' I was praying out loud for the girl. And I just—I couldn’t believe it was happening. I was just crying, and he was like, 'Well, since you got so much to say, you're coming, too.’ And I was like, 'What?' And he—’What? You want some of this?’ M-mm, just put my hands behind my back."

The incident reportedly began when the student refused to give her teacher her phone. The teacher called an administrator, who summoned Officer Fields to remove the student. Fields has been suspended without pay. We’ll have more on the case after headlines.

Yes, that officer deserves harsh punishment and immediate firing but there's something else. How sad it is that the brave Niya Kenny, through no fault of her own, is uneducated and in high school. Typical? Probably. Sadly. What has happened to U.S. schools? What is - or more correctly, isn't - taught in her home?

Alberto, what was your home life experience growing up?

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#38

Brother Allen, have you noticed that none of the questions that Brother Kenyatta repeatedly asks ever get answered? All kinds of other crap, but never a direct answer. Strange that is. Also, the brother laid down the gauntlet and "challenged" these folks to dispute his bona fides and got no takers. They know the real deal. Talk that shit, back it up!

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 3 weeks ago
#39

In any discussion greater understanding occurs when each participant agrees on certain critical definitions. Toward that end I suggest that those posting here read, carefully and in its entirety, the following – principally scientific - commentary on race by Ernst Mayr. I’ve only pasted a few paragraphs with the hope that at least some who post here will read all of it.

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001951.html

When dealing with human races we must think of them as the inhabitants of the geographic region in which they had originated. Presumably each human race consists of individuals who, on average and in certain ways, are demonstrably superior to the average individual of another race. Eskimos, for instance, are superior in their adaptedness to cold. In the last four or five Olympics there were always six to eight contenders of African descent among the ten finalists in the sprinting races, surely not an accidental percentage.
These considerations should teach us how we should think about human races. A human race consists of the descendants of a once-isolated geographical population primarily adapted for the environmental conditions of their original home country. But, as is illustrated by the success of Europeans and Africans and Asians in all parts of the world, any race is capable of living anywhere. Most importantly, a race is always highly variable: any human race will include a wide variety of extraordinary individuals who excel in very different human abilities.
When comparing one race with another, we do find genes that are on the whole specific for certain populations. Many individuals of Native American descent have the Diego blood group factors, and people of Jewish descent have a propensity for Tay-Sachs disease. Some of these characteristics are virtually diagnostic, but most are merely quantitative, like the description of the human races in older anthropology textbooks describing skin color, hair, eye color, body size, etc. An ensemble of such characteristics usually permits classifying an individual in the relevant race. All these characteristics are nevertheless highly variable, and it is virtually impossible to classify every individual definitively, especially in those areas where one geographic race merges into another (as is true, for example, for the human population of modern-day America).
Curiously, when people make derogatory statements about members of other races, they often do not refer to biological traits at all, but rather to putative character traits: members of a certain racial group are said to be lazy, dishonest, unreliable, thievish, arrogant, etc. There is no scientific evidence of a genetic basis for any such negative traits. There is also no scientific evidence known to me that the genetic differences we do discover among the human races have any influence at all on personality. Most of the mentioned undesirable personality traits, if they are at all correlated with specific human populations, are obviously cultural and therefore open to change through appropriate forms of education.
It is generally unwise to assume that every apparent difference in traits between populations of human beings has a biological cause. In a recent aptitude test administered in California, students of Asian descent did conspicuously better than students of African descent. Researchers evaluating these results subsequently discovered that in the year preceding the test, the AsianAmerican students had spent a daily average of three hours on homework, while the African-American students had done virtually no homework at all. The test results by themselves cannot tell us what percentage of the superior performance by the Asian-American students was due to their genetic endowment and what percentage to the cultural trait of being better prepared for the test thanks to spending, on the whole, far more time on homework than the African-American students did.
One can conclude from these observations that although there are certain genetic differences between races, there is no genetic evidence whatsoever to justify the uncomplimentary evaluation that members of one race have sometimes made of members of other races. There simply is no biological basis for racism.
Indeed, what is far more important than the differences between human races is the enormous variation within each racial group. We must always keep in mind that no two human beings even so-called identical twins - are in fact genetically identical. When encountering a lying member of another race, nothing would be more illogical - and unjust - than to conclude that all members of that race are liars. Likewise, if one encountered a particularly warmhearted member of a different race, it would be equally foolish to conclude that all members of that race are equally warmhearted. To avoid such mistakes, it is useful to apply the population thinking pioneered by Darwin.
It also helps to adopt the motto "They are like us." This was my motto more than seventy years ago when I became one of the first outsiders to visit a native village in the interior of New Guinea. Invariably, they are like us. Whenever I lived with one of these relatively isolated populations of human beings for any length of time, it did not take me long to discover the differences in the personalities of the individuals with whom I had to deal. The rule that no individuals are the same was as true for the Stone Age natives of New Guinea as it is for a group of my Harvard colleagues. A lot of our human difficulties are due to people forgetting the simple rule that no two people are the same.
So what, if anything, does biology, and specifically the biological understanding of race, have to teach us about the concept of equality?
In the first place, the biological facts may help to remind us just how new the political concept of equality really is. When we look at social species of animals, we discover that there is always a rank order. There may be an alpha-male or an alpha-female, and all other individuals of the group fall somewhere below them in the rank order.
A similar rank-ordering has long marked many human societies as well. During the years I lived in a small village of Papuans in the mountains of New Guinea, the local chief had three wives, other high-ranking members of the village had one, and a number of "inferior" tribesmen had no wives at all. Nineteenth-century British society distinguished clearly between aristocrats, gentlemen, and common workingmen. As George Eliot describes in the novel Middlemarch, there was even a rank order within each of these major classes.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#40

reply #38

Ah, I don't know brother. In their own way I think they do. They just don't know what to make of it as it's all so far from their experience of life. So they relate by nibbling on the edges on something that doesn't taste very good to them but do it because they think it'll be good for the soul or something only to find out the humble pie they left cooling on the back porch all these years ago tastes much worse then they could've ever imagined.

No body likes their apple cart tipped over, they like the status quo just fine.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#41

reply #39

Sorry Alberto, that's all old news.

Now about your younger growning up home life experience.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#42

#40- ...Word, brother. Word.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#43

#41-King Albert, aka the Cut and Paste King, has issues. That is just the fact. He pontificates as though he were some type of intellectual Titan, but if you look closely at his posts (which I have) it basically amounts to, to use Brother Kenyatta's terminology, "intellectually vacant bloviating".

By the way Brother Allen, did you see the "manual" (link) the brother provided in #24? If you haven't you need to; it speaks for itself and there is nothing even remotely comparable anywhere (internet or otherwise) by black people. Check it out, love to hear your response, mine cannot be stated here. It is especially interesting in light of King Albert's (#39) post.

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 3 weeks ago
#44

Father Rogers, a white European missionary in Africa, wanted acceptance and tried to persuade his prospective converts that he was just as black as they were. Of course they didn't believe him. It happened that for some time the villagers had been constructing a communal house but they had struggled for days to fit and join the final vault. Father Rogers, trained in architecture, drew some lines on a timber and said "Cut here." They did and it fit perfectly. The workers exclaimed in wonder: "Father, now we believe you. No white man could have done that."

I read that story somewhere and have surely messed it up but maybe not the essentials. It sticks with me, I suppose, because of my own experience in Africa thirty odd years ago designing and helping to build an animal shelter.

And then there's a Mayan greeting:

"I'm another you"

"You're another me."

But we humans require differences to support our lust for killing and domination. When there aren't visible, physical differences we invent them.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#45

Brother Allen, did you see what Cut and Paste just posted? Did this asshole ACTUALLY just tell a "story" about a European White Man telling the ignorant black Africans that he was "as black as they were" and because of his white, genius mind he "drew some lines...and said cut here. They did and it fit perfectly" and they believed he was black? I guess white boys helped build pyramids and invent geometry as well.

Did that bizarre SOB just do that or are my eyes deceiving me? Say it ain't so.

I know Brother Kenyatta said he was working on other stuff, BUT, I have to call that brother and share this one. This fool is completely out of his gourd. I can't believe this sick, knuckle walking Neanderthal.

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 3 weeks ago
#46

Among other interesting items, neither I nor any human, nor any human anscestor, certainly not our cousins the Neanderthals, walked on knuckles. We humans did not descend from apes, contrary to what many respected scientists once thought. Both apes and humans did, however, share a common anscestor. But we all know that, don't we?.

There's considerable ongoing research on just when Neanderthal man and modern humans split. The DNA of the two is very similar. The majority of researchers, so far as I understand it, believe it likely that there was interbreeding. Fossil evidence shows that Neanderthal man was larger than today's human and had a larger brain and that, in turn, raises the possiblity that Neanderthal man was smarter that are modern humans.

https://today.duke.edu/2015/09/treeoflife

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131021-neanderthal-human-evolution-teeth/

Much Earlier Split for Neanderthals, Humans?

Study challenges thinking on last common ancestor of Neanderthals, humans.

By Brian Switek, National Geographic

PUBLISHED OCTOBER 21, 2013

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

Neanderthal

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The Neanderthal or Neandertal (named after the Neandertal area) was a species of human in the genus Homo that became extinct between 41,000 and 39,000 years ago. They were closely related to modern humans,[5][6] differing in DNA by just 0.12%.[7] Remains left by Neanderthals include bone and stone tools, which are found in Eurasia, from Western Europe to Central and Northern Asia and the Middle East. The Neanderthal is generally classified by biologists as the species Homo neanderthalensis, but a minority considers them to be a subspeciesof Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis).[8][9][10]

Several cultural assemblages have been linked to the Neanderthals in Europe. The earliest, the Mousterian stone tool culture, dates to about 300,000 years ago.[11] Late Mousterian artifacts were found in Gorham's Cave on the south-facing coast of Gibraltar.[12][13]

Neanderthals were large compared to Homo sapiens because they inhabited higher latitudes, in conformance with Bergmann's rule, and their larger stature explains their larger brain size because brain size generally increases with body size.[14] With an average cranial capacity of 1600 cm3,[15] the cranial capacity of Neanderthals is notably larger than the 1400 cm3 average for modern humans, indicating that their brain size was larger. Males stood 164–168 cm (65–66 in) and females 152–156 cm (60–61 in) tall.[16]

A 2008 study by the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig suggested Neanderthals probably did not interbreed with anatomically modern humans,[17][18] while the Neanderthal genome project published in 2010 and 2014 suggests that Neanderthals did contribute to the DNA of modern humans, including most non-Africans as well as a few African populations, through interbreeding, likely between 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.[19][20][21]

In December 2013, researchers reported evidence that Neanderthals practiced burial behavior and intentionally buried their dead.[22] In addition, scientists reported having sequenced the entire genome of a Neanderthal for the first time. The genome was extracted from the toe bone of a 50,000-year-old Neanderthal found in a Siberian cave.[23][24][25]

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#47

Alberto,

At least the student and the cop cum criminal copy and paste story could be linked to this thread if you had done some expanding in thought but the last three postings? WTF are you thinking? Just where in sam hell are you going with all that obtuse BS?

And Alberto, do yourself a huge favor by forgetting that ridiculous missionary story.

rs allen 2 years 3 weeks ago
#49

And the same goes for you legend,

w_h_a_t the f_u_c_k are you trying to say?

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al3 2 years 3 weeks ago
#50
Quote NatTurnersGhost:Brother Allen, have you noticed that none of the questions that Brother Kenyatta repeatedly asks ever get answered? All kinds of other crap, but never a direct answer.
I’d surmise, NTG, the reason is, at least what I’ve observed, is those trying to engage in thoughtful conversation that doesn’t match 100% with your thoughts get their head bashed in here. I don’t get over here that often to the blog area, but one of the few times I did, I stumbled onto the Gil Scott Heron piece. I only read through it once before it disappeared, but suffice to say, I was surprised and disappointed at the discourse that happens under Kenyatta’s otherwise excellent thought provoking pieces.

Now, I will say I do not have a history here in the blog area, …and maybe Kenyatta's blogs in the past have attracted racist knuckle draggers, which would make the sensitivity here more understandable. I don’t know. However, the rapid devolvement into insults and ad-homs aimed at people who are making honest mistakes and gaffes, (We have ACD, remember) and others who are making thoughtful, but opposing, offerings, is surprising and disappointing. For someone of Kenyatta's status, communication skills, and gravitas on the Hartmann show, I expected more, sorry.

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