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This morning three, Baton Rouge police officers were shot dead; several others wounded. This comes on the heels of the shooting/murder of five other police officers in Dallas a week ago.

It is unclear the details, and/or, circumstances surrounding the shootings as the situation is still fluid and developing.

Baton Rouge is where a 37 year old father, unarmed Black man, was gunned down by Baton Rouge police. His name was Alton Sterling.

The Disconnect

I have been listening to, reading and watching this morning, some of the language being used by reporters from various news outlets from various media. I am going to quote a few of them: One reporter, on KFI talk radio, here in Southern California exclaimed “When is this going to stop!”…”It has to stop”!

Black People in America have been exclaiming that for centuries. The aforementioned Talk Show host made no such exclamations when Alton Sterling was murdered or Ezell Ford (right here in Los Angeles).

She went on, in a voice dripping with anxiety, panic and emotion to state: “Those Officers had families!”

So what?

Ezell Ford had a family. Alton Sterling had a family. Philando Castile had a family. Freddie Gray had a family. Sandra Bland had a family. Tony Robinson had a family. Eric Garner had a family. Walter Scott had a family. Michael Brown had a family. Dontre Hamilton had a family. John Crawford III had a family. Akai Gurley had a family. Rumain Brisbon had a family. Phillip White had a family. Tanisha Anderson had a family. 12 year old Tamir Rice, a precious little boy…had a family. Charley Leundeu Keunang had a family. All police killings in the past 24 months of Black People in America. And though not killed by police, there was 17 year old Trayvon Martin and 17 year old Jordan Davis killed by white men. Trayvon and Jordan had families.

I have a family!

She went on: “They’re just trying to do their jobs”.

“Their jobs” are inherently dangerous and no one drafted them. In fact, they love their guns and their power over life and death. Tamir was doing his job, too…just being a little boy. Akai was simply walking down a stairwell, doing “his job” to get to the bottom.

She went on: “It must be scary just to wear the uniform”. This one really got to me, because putting on that uniform is a choice that one makes by one’s own volition. However, this uniform that I wear, and my children wear, is not a choice. It cannot be taken on and off and hung in the closet, it cannot be dry cleaned, ironed, starched and festooned with badges and ribbons. It carries with it no State power, no paycheck nor compensation, no authority and, apparently, no respect. All of those that I mentioned killed by police wore this same “uniform” and in so having that uniform, we are targets (literally). Ergo, if “it must be scary” to wear a uniform that you get paid to wear and volunteer to put on, how “scary” must it be to be wearing that other one that you can’t take off?

So this disconnect continues.

Anglo Cognitive Dissonance.

I will be the first to say that I have met some great police officers; but they have been exceptions and are, thusly, “exceptional”. That’s what they called me when I was a little boy…”exceptional”. In other words, I wasn’t as dumb as the other nigger children. That’s how I took it then, and that’s how I take it now. It was an insult.

But, I digress.

Far too often the experience that Black People in America have with the police, whether it be a Harvard Professor as in Louis Gates, or Tamir Rice, or the unarmed black woman on the 10 freeway pummeled by a Highway Patrolman whom repeatedly punched her in the face with gloved fists as he straddled her, Sandra Bland, or countless others (including myself) is a negative one; no matter your station in life. It is one where disrespect is king. It is one where you are spoken to in a way that is condescending and, often, racially insulting. It is one where you are physically abused; and if the planets line up just right, you might just die. It is one where your personal effects are disrespected and your home is violated. It is one where your children see you as less than a person.

What white people don’t seem to understand is that their experience with the police is a vastly different one than that we, as Black People in America, experience. The entire program is different. The way they are approached and treated, by and large, is different. It’s very different. So, white people have a different opinion of the police (for the most part). They see the police and they feel that someone is there to “protect and to serve”, to look after them, to ensure their safety. Black People in America, as a general rule, do not have that experience. We see the police as people who are going to be disrespectful and, quite possibly, take our lives.

And that is no accident.

That is our experience. And for white people to negate that experience is the root of the problem. Constantly insulting us by negating our experiences. Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man. If we had the same experience that white people have, pertinent to the police, we would be saying the same things they say, and feeling the same way they feel.

But we don’t, and we ain’t.

I often listen to White Wing radio, because I want to know what these people are thinking. White Wing radio does not have millions upon millions of followers because they do not have an audience. In fact, White Wing radio represents mainstream thought in America. Kid yourself if you want.

Just a few days ago, Bill Handel a well-known talk radio host (again on KFI) had police officers call into his show to answer the question; “how has the job changed” in reference to Black Lives Matter and the Dallas shootings. One officer said “we piggy-back now…so if you are a white officer with a Black or Hispanic partner and something goes down, we make an agreement that he/she has to be the shooter…’cause we can’t shoot”.

P-I-G-G-Y B-A-C-K-I-N-G

Let that sink all the way in for a moment.

When Handel told another officer that he does believe that several Black men in a car are treated differently (Driving While Black) than that same car with the same number of white men, and asked did he agree, the officer who worked “in a predominately African-American area” commented: “absolutely not, that is not true. In fact, I would be even more suspicious if it were a car full of white kids/men because I would want to know what are you doing over here”.

I can't make this shit up.

Shortly after the Ferguson uprising, I was on the air with Thom Hartmann and I told him that events like Dallas and, now, Baton Rouge were going to happen, and will continue to happen until there is real reform.

On Monday, July 11, 2016, once again I was on air with Thom Hartmann. I contacted Thom Hartmann to discuss the Dallas shootings. At some point during the conversation, In rare dissention, I expressed to Thom Hartmann that I took exception to him, in a previous show, referring to the alleged Dallas “sniper” as “an idiot”. Thom, being the genius that he is, explained why he said what he said, and it was an intelligent explanation. At some point in the conversation Thom Hartmann, with whom I have had many a conversation, said to me: “First of all, Kenyatta, I just want to be very, very clear, and I hope that you are not even dancing towards the edge of saying that this sniper’s actions were justified”. I responded by saying: “No... Debbie didn’t do Dallas, despair did Dallas”. However, the manner in which Hartmann made the statement bordered between being a challenge and a threat. The entire exchange is at: http://kbcs.fm/programs/thom-hartmann/ hour 1 at 35:03 and ends at 45:33.

So Thom, I stand by my statement that I do not "justify" the actions of the alleged Dallas shooter. However, I do not "unjustify" them either. When you, and other white folks have a comparable list of police murders of mostly unarmed citizens, by BLACK police officers, including your 12 year old children, then you can more credulously be righteously indignant. Further, you will have the opportunity to show me how "non-violent" you are in similar circumstances. You will have a frame of reference from which to provide me a real life, credible example of how you responded. The mere fact that you cannot should trouble a man with your intellect and decency. You and your brethren seriously need to put the proverbial shoe on the other foot. You talk about Martin Luther King and Ghandi while your nation has waged a decades and a half long war killing children across the globe because someone brought violence to you.

Anglo Cognitive Dissonance.

One of the things that white people, often unconsciously, count on is Black People in America being fearful of them. History is replete with examples of this; thus the slave patrol inspired policing, thus the resultant murders. Some time ago, I did an essay called Mau-Mau and Me: https://www.thomhartmann.com/users/r-kenyatta/blog/2015/09/blackism-mau-mau-and-me-origins-anglo-fear .

The aforementioned essay tells the perilous tale of “fear” and “terrorism”, in a metaphorical sense. White people know the His-Story of this country, they know what they have done to us…for centuries. In their minds, they must terrorize us and keep us in fear. And they trust in that fear (for good reason). They trust that the terrorism that they have wrought upon us has taken root so deeply, that we dare not fight back; that we dare not use their own mechanisms against them. But, unfortunately, there are Black People in America, men and women that will not sit idly by and watch our husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, and…children be murdered with impunity.

Once again, I ask white Americans to “flip the script”. Look at how you are acting in the wake of these cop killings. One reporter on a major network said, this morning: “We just lost five of our own in Dallas…and now another three of our own in Baton Rouge”.

That is very, very telling.

We’ve been losing “our own” for centuries.

At some point, white America is going to have to take stock of how it treats us. That fear and terrorism, like all things, has a point of critical mass.

And it has been reached.

Comments

madness of kings's picture
madness of kings 2 years 42 weeks ago
#1

Kenyatta, Nat, I'm out if here, this site has blocked 2 of my last 3 posts and I'm not going to take it any more. Thom's a fraud, he's no better than other repressive ideologues. Wish you both all the best, perhaps we'll meet up again on another site. I'm done, this time for good.

Tom Dorricott's picture
Tom Dorricott 2 years 42 weeks ago
#2

Madness of Kings: Sorry to see you go. I thought the comparison of Canadian taxation/health care vs US was very eye opening. I'm surprised you would be blocked when in this thread alone there are enough low information, racist sock puppets to fill a suitcase. Good luck.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 42 weeks ago
#3

Brothers Al and Ghost, what do you expect? By the work, one knows the workman. Hell, just a few days ago I was a white man working for the KKK and right wing interests. Last year I was some Real estate mogul in New York (remember that?). That is the problem with these folks, they simply cannot accept what they cannot accept; it is part of their dis-ease. This dis-ease perverts their reality orientation.

Some of them are more diseased than others.

Mad King...I have been considering same; yet I implore you to stay. I can't imagine this site without your presence; you are one of the best writers here. The site has, indeed, changed for the worse and I understand that. Whatever your decision, I'd like for us to stay in touch.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 42 weeks ago
#4

Ghost/Al/Kenyatta, all from the same keyboard.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 42 weeks ago
#5

LMAO...what a buffoon. What do you think about that MapleLeaf? Me and Kenyatta and Allen are the same person. ROFL! This boy is too stupid for words.

Hey...did you guys catch Hartmann's show today? He went on a serios riff about the LITTLE PENIS CLUB. Totally hilarious. Viva LPC!

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madness of kings 2 years 42 weeks ago
#6

Kenyatta/Nat or anyone else who would like to contact me ......

you can reach me at zapdam@gmx.com

as for the nitwit who locked down my account under zapdam for the 'sin' of truthfully speaking my mind, you also locked me out of my paid services

rs allen 2 years 42 weeks ago
#7

What the hell is going on around here? I just spent about an hour typing a long post that just disappeared into the nether zone.

I'll try again tonight on another computer, I've got more to say to that piece of garbage storm trooper.

Later brothers.

rs allen 2 years 42 weeks ago
#8

Damn zap you may become a clearing house for those that want to keep in touch and not just here but from the message board as well.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 42 weeks ago
#9

Brother Al...I can't wait to see your notes to David Duke. I mean, MY notes to David Duke. ROFLMAO! Thats what happens when parents marry their children and have babies.

MapleLeaf you have my support.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 42 weeks ago
#10

Keny-Al-Ghost : You originally misspelled "perents". Iknow that you are probably not familiar with the word, but the plural of "parent" is "parents". (Having more than one parent.) I guess someone called to tell you.

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hollywoodqw 2 years 42 weeks ago
#11

Black people to democrats are just tools, I have been pretty disgusted this week that thom is trying to use race to prop up Hillary vs trump.

Thom would dare to use race when the Clinton have a long history of racial bigotry, dog whistle politics to win election. policy's that imprisoned millions of African Americans. Took the Reagan welfare queen with her Cadillac and ran with it and got it passed into law that hurt the least among us.

Thom doesn't give a fuck about black people, they are just a tool to gain support for democrats so they can say the are more evolved then their racist uncle.

All of this information was out there and he didn't touch it because he was trying to protect his precious white women. He shut down his forum to protect this white women, he is deleting post to protect this white women.

It doesn't matter how many lives were destroyed by these Clinton policies.

Berta Cáceres was murder in Honduras along with thousands of others, mothers desperate to save their children sent them thousand of miles away to America. And she said send them back after she started a coup to prop up corporate interest in honduras.

And if he thinks you might of been saying something about violence towards a police officer and all the sudden you were not the black guy he could go to anymore.

A cop killing a unarmed black man is good for the democratic party, They can go out and say that is bad, then do absolute shit about it, but hey the look better then racist bill orielly

If He thinks a caller is going to say something about her racists past on the radio he hangs up on them, you write post on her racist past he shuts down his forum.

Just remember when they are talking about women's rights , they are talking about white women.

You were just a tool to prop up democrats, so they can say they are better then racist republicans, but once their in power they dont do shit and rely on people like thom to keep up the facade that the democratic party gives a fuck bout what happens to the African American community .

Because if thom gave a fuck he would of been shining a light on the Clintons racist past along with all of the corruption , before we got to the point of choosing between racist, but he had to protect his white women.

So let this be a lesson, thom is an actor, playing the role of someone who gives a fuck,

I was fooled for the longest time.

And thom what stage of grief is the family of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile in.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 42 weeks ago
#12

Hollywood, there is nothing in what you state that I am unaware of. Afterall, like Hillary Clinton, Thom Hartmann is a former "Goldwater Republican". His father was a republican, and he grew up in Lansing, Michigan in the 1950's. As for white men protecting white women...what else is new; black children have been executed for the mere act of allegedly looking at a white woman. As far as I am concerned, Black men should protect their (our) women the same way, for I am a big proponent of using the same mechanisms the white man uses. If he truly believes that his mechanisms are just, righteous and "color blind" then he should have no problem with others utilizing those same methods...whatever they might be.

Pursuant to your comment on "women's rights", I could not agree more. White women are members of the KKK and other white supremacists groups. White women posed and took photographs next to the 'strange fruit' that were black female bodies freshly lynched. White women spat on black male and female children in the 1970's because they did not want black children in schools with their precious little white children.

A white woman will call a black woman a Nigger in a heartbeat.

I do not have it twisted, not worth a damn and not by a longshot.

As for being a "Democrat" or a "Republican", I am neither. I'll be damned if I allow myself to be pigeon-holed by labels of any sort, especially those assigned by white folks. This includes religious labels. I point you to a statement from Malcolm X in his speech The Ballot or the Bullet: "I am not an American, I am a victim of America. I am not a Democrat nor a Republican, I am a victim of Democrats and Republicans".

However...

Thom Hartmann is the only white American that consistently speaks on the issue of white supremacy, especially as it affects Black People in America. The fact that we are used as political "tools" is of less importance to me than the fact that there is a white man with a very large microphone (and audience) with the intestinal fortitude to dare speak on the issue and he does it regularly. Over the past couple of years I have had many conversations with Thom Hartmann and he has never wavered in his intellectual courage in terms of saying things other white folks know, but will not utter. Of course we are exploited by the Democrats, we are exploited by everyone. The singular purpose for us being kidnapped and brought to these shores was to exploit us. Truth be told, we even exploit each other. Just remember this: ain't no fun, when the rabbit got the gun.

That explotation shit works both ways, and Hartmann and I both understand that.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 42 weeks ago
#13

Keny-Al-Ghost: It is interesting you brought up Malcolm X's sppech "The ballot or the ballot box" in which he claims to be a victim of America, the Republican Party, and the Democratic Party. While African Americans have the ballot, Malcolm got the "bullet", as a "victim" of not America, Republicans, or Democrats, but Nation of Islam assassins. ( He left the NOI because of his disappointment with founder Elijah Muhammad's hypocracy of preaching marital fidelity and having sex with some of his secretaries. Sexual harrassment, too?)

Also, "Aint no fun when the rabbit got the gun" is an amusing country song, but has no relevance to this discussion.

Fifty years since Malxolm X last speech, the "bullet" has done nothing to advance the cause of anyone in this country, "exploited" or otherwise. It never will, and those that think that are just using this concept as a fantasy to boost their own testosterone levels, at least temporarily.

While it is true both political parties have cynically played African Americans like shills, the way to end that is to get better organized, recalibrate demands, and change strategies and leadership.

As I have said before, violence, actual or threatened, will not cause positive change in this country. Ever. Especially since those who espouse it in this country are a very small percentage of the population, and in most cases mentally unhinged.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 42 weeks ago
#14
Quote Tom Dorricott: Malcolm X's sppech "The ballot or the ballot box"

Ahem...the word is s-p-e-e-c-h...and the S-P-E-E-C-H was called the Ballot or the Bullet. At some point inbred storm trooper, you will get tired of dazzling us with your ignorance and illiteracy. No wonder you are so envious of people that have an education beyond third grade. Then again, you may be so stupid that you don't have enough sense to be embarrassed by your stupidity and ignorance. Heh, heh look everyone! Look at the smart white boy! By Jobe...he's a fucking genius!

LMAO!

R. Kenyatta's picture
R. Kenyatta 2 years 42 weeks ago
#15

What you are thunders so loudly above what you say that I cannot hear you.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 42 weeks ago
#16

Keny-Al-Ghost. Thank you for pointing out the typo in the speech error, and the ballot box instead of bullet. I'm glad you are paying attention. However, I see no critique or counter to my point-that violence or empty threats of violence will cause no positive change.

I assume you're comment "by Jobe', rather than the correct "by Jove" is an attempt at humor, but it is hard to tell. The "Ghost" sock puppet is evidently so intentionally illiterate and infantile its hard to tell. It seems to be able to spell "inbred", "boy", and the variations of "f____", however.

I wonder what the you are going to write under the r.s. allen alias.

I am now listening to a taped rant of the Baltimore D.A.'s excuses and accusations pertaining to her incompetence in the Freddy Gray case. What idiots elected her D.A. ?

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 42 weeks ago
#17

Brother Ghost, and Brothers Al and Foe. I just received an e-mail from the Mad King and forwarded it. You guys need to send him a line or two in support. I am going to try to do some lobbying on his behalf in as much as I can. You know, we have all had our moments with him, but he is truly a smart man and he has tremendous intellectual courage; something not found in abundance here. Losing him is losing a valued, vetted member of this community and everyones loss.

Let's get him back.

Brother Allen, where are you? Holler back and let us know you are okay...okay?

Tom Dorricott's picture
Tom Dorricott 2 years 42 weeks ago
#18

Keny-Al-Ghost:

"Brother Allen" is probably in the dresser drawer with your other sock puppets. Did you misplace him? Maybe "ghost" knows. How absurd.

rs allen 2 years 42 weeks ago
#19

second time one of my posts has disappeared...............

Yo, yeh things are copicetic on this end, just busy is all. Well, that and it's hot.

What's up with zap? Is it time to check out and touch base?

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 41 weeks ago
#20

Brother Allen!

Brother, I know you are always busy with your art, life and other pursuits but you know you are the Melanic elder here and there are few of us. Ergo, you are missed when you are absent. Now, mind you, you and I are the same person. I guess it's true we all look alike.

We, truly, are one.

Hot here, too, Brother. Hovering in the low 100's to 115 or so for the last week.

I love utility companies. What happened to a "free market" and competition? More lies.

Indeed, get in touch with Mad King. In fact, he has a message for you.

In defense of Hartmann, he really is having a lot of technical problems these days; some of them appear to be programming issues and some of them appear to be intentionally caused by Comcast. On top of all of that, there do appear to be some changes afoot in terms of how he is regulating opinions on the site. My point is, it may or may not be totally nefarious.

Brother Ghost told me to give his regards, he is in Las Vegas at a funeral (talk about HOT!).

Ooops! I forgot I could not physically be two places at the same time.

I'll be posting an new esaay "Invasion of the Orange People" later today as well as a piece on the Freddie Gray case.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 41 weeks ago
#21

Keny-Al-Ghost: I'm glad you found all of your socks. Sylvia was famous for having a multiple personality disorder. I wonder if there is a term for multiple sock puppet disorder. Maybe call it polyalias syndrom. It is probably harmless as long as that person doesn't take themself/selves seriously.

Looking forward to your next "Orange People" essay. I can pretty much predict what it will entail. You launch the skeet in the air and I'll shoot it down. "Pull!"

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#22

Figures someone of so little imagination would think of something so predictable as skeet. I was bored the first time I tried it. How about some trap storm trooper? I used to shoot 23 out of 25, how's your scores rabbit? Bet you still couldn't hit the side of a barn if you were inside cause you'd be too scared. Careful now that's your foot you're looking at.

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#23

Ya see storm trooper the thing is you ain't nothing special. In fact you're nothing more than just the regular hum drum of another day to me as well as the other brothers and sisters that tune in here. We deal with the likes of you day in and day out and we know your twisted mind better than you do because you've never actually looked at yourself in the mirror asking one single question about how you've lived that life you've found yourself in nor what you expect from it. Only that you want it to continue as it is or was because that suits you just fine. Well your 'way of life' has been built on the backs of slaves upon lands stolen from others and fertilized with their blood. Here's a clue trooper, those days have passed. You've run out of room, the visigoths are breaking in the back door and the four horsemen are pounding at the front demanding their dues. Take your choice, now is the time.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 41 weeks ago
#24

Keny-Al-Ghost: I'll take the Visigoths. The Four Horsemen will only arrive during the Apocalypse, and not to show me that I have "run out of room". The Visigoths were Germanic, so I'm pretty sure the'll assess the situation, and join the status quo. They'd be more like our reinforcements rather than foes. We certainly wouldn't need'em, but they'd probably sure have some stories and be fun to party with.

You're right- my life suits me just fine, I'm very happy with it, and I don't self flagellate over wrongs of the past, real or imagined. Once I get finished convalescing my ankle I'll be back doing the things I enjoy. ( Tapping on the keyboard for the last few weeks has been amusing, but I have other things to do.). Still have a few more days to shatter skeet , though.

I enjoy my reality, and am not afflicted by the demons of unwarranted rage, resentment, or insecurity. I do not need to create sock puppets to validate myself or build an ego.

In even my granchildrens' lifetimes, I don't fear they will run out of "room", "time", or opportunity. The status quo in this country never changes much, it just incrementally adapts.

You can engage in intense, moaning fantasy until you forearm falls off, the reality is that this nation will never change due to fear of Visigoths, Horsemen, or Bogeymen under the Bed".

"Pull!"

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#25

Still no imagination. Someone else spell it out for him, I've got better things to do than iterate and explain what I've already painted for some dumb ass honky.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 41 weeks ago
#26

Keny-Al-Ghost: Someone sounds cranky, he needs to go back in the sock drawer. A few more brain cells and he could be Bertie the Bunyip.

"Pull!"

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 41 weeks ago
#27

Hey Brother Al. What can I say? This boy Is beyond ignorant. He talks a lot about my big bro's groupies--I think he is the most fanatic of all. Maybe I'll get an autograph for this inbred.Other than that he's really too stupid to bother with. Must have a shitty life.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 41 weeks ago
#28

Keny-Al-Ghost: Ah, the second wanna-be Bunyip heard from. How would you sign your autograph? I would suggest : "Best of Luck, from Mad Manic Moronic Melanic # 2."

"Pull!"

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zapdam. 2 years 41 weeks ago
#29

Tom

Now this is getting silly, this looks like childish school yard stuff. One good thing though that comes from this, you keep Kenyatta's fine post front and centre, so carry on both of you :-)

Tom ,thank you bye the way for your best wishes on my previous demise, very kind of you :-)

Ghost my friend how are you?

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 41 weeks ago
#30

Zapdam: Good to see you back, your post are thought provoking even if I disagree with some of them. Your right, even though the childish schoolyard stuff was interesting. It will be interesting to see if Ghost and Al can stay on-topic rather than ad hominem attacks. I've been trying to make the point that violence, or threats of violence in this country don't work if you don't have the numbers or the firepower, and only alienates potential allies. It seems, that any criticism of Kenyatta's blogs are met with rather childish attacks on anyone who dares disagree.

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zapdam. 2 years 41 weeks ago
#31

Tom, Nat is one of my favorite people, so my comments are directed at no one in particular, a little mud slinging fine, if in the end its all used to work out the frustrations opposing views to which there is no agreeable rational answer.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 41 weeks ago
#32

MapleLeaf! Back on the set! I am fine, man. Looks like the lobbying to get you back was successful. How are you buddy? As for this inbred moron I agree that he is silly and childish on top of being an ignorant racist. You have been around long enough to know who is who and when this idiot makes comments like Kenyatta and Brother Allen and me are all the same person, he is showing all how retarded he is. He obviously knows none of the history of this group. Think about how delusional this bastard is? Like all trolls he craves attention and is willing to insult and disrupt to get it. Like I said to Brother Allen the SOB is beneath us all and not worth anyones time. On the other hand, if he thinks he will be allowed to insult the few brothers and sisters here without getting his ass chewed up he is sorely mistaken. This is an old bastard that can't handle the fact that Brother Kenyatta is superior to him. You know as well as anyone MapleLeaf that my big brother has countless people that read his work and enjoy his conversations with Hartmann. That's just fact. And hell yes, we support the brother because he has the skill to say what needs to be said, just like you.

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#33

reply #30

It's much easier to stay on point when idiots don't stick their two cents in talking shit they don't know anything about. It's easier to stay away from ad hominem attacks when some lily white mofo doesn't start mouthing off on what he read in some paper as if it was some gospel truth, try living it asshole. You don't know squat about the poolice or the justice system. So shut the f'k up.

You tired of being pigeon holed? Then stop bending and omitting history to suit your own little narrative and then prance around pretending that that twisted history isn't still being played out or accounts for so little today. That's either plain stupid, ignorant or intentional. Which is it jerk off?

You like literal? Was that literal enough for you storm trooper or do you really need a paint by numbers kit?

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 41 weeks ago
#34

zapdam: Re #32 and #33, make my case. Thank you for pointing out that it is playground stuff to respond to " M,M,M,M, # 1 and #2. " Kinda like arguing with a parrot with Tourette's syndrome. Repetitive, meaningless, and profane. Will only debate issues, and not wallow in the mud. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I can't prescribe anything for their unjustified rage.

Peace

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#35

I thought you liked literal.

Yeah.....................................fuck you.

Peace

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hollywoodqw 2 years 41 weeks ago
#36

Quote R. Kenyatta:

Hollywood, there is nothing in what you state that I am unaware of. Afterall, like Hillary Clinton, Thom Hartmann is a former "Goldwater Republican". His father was a republican, and he grew up in Lansing, Michigan in the 1950's. As for white men protecting white women...what else is new; black children have been executed for the mere act of allegedly looking at a white woman. As far as I am concerned, Black men should protect their (our) women the same way, for I am a big proponent of using the same mechanisms the white man uses. If he truly believes that his mechanisms are just, righteous and "color blind" then he should have no problem with others utilizing those same methods...whatever they might be.

Pursuant to your comment on "women's rights", I could not agree more. White women are members of the KKK and other white supremacists groups. White women posed and took photographs next to the 'strange fruit' that were black female bodies freshly lynched. White women spat on black male and female children in the 1970's because they did not want black children in schools with their precious little white children.

A white woman will call a black woman a Nigger in a heartbeat.

I do not have it twisted, not worth a damn and not by a longshot.

As for being a "Democrat" or a "Republican", I am neither. I'll be damned if I allow myself to be pigeon-holed by labels of any sort, especially those assigned by white folks. This includes religious labels. I point you to a statement from Malcolm X in his speech The Ballot or the Bullet: "I am not an American, I am a victim of America. I am not a Democrat nor a Republican, I am a victim of Democrats and Republicans".

However...

Thom Hartmann is the only white American that consistently speaks on the issue of white supremacy, especially as it affects Black People in America. The fact that we are used as political "tools" is of less importance to me than the fact that there is a white man with a very large microphone (and audience) with the intestinal fortitude to dare speak on the issue and he does it regularly. Over the past couple of years I have had many conversations with Thom Hartmann and he has never wavered in his intellectual courage in terms of saying things other white folks know, but will not utter. Of course we are exploited by the Democrats, we are exploited by everyone. The singular purpose for us being kidnapped and brought to these shores was to exploit us. Truth be told, we even exploit each other. Just remember this: ain't no fun, when the rabbit got the gun.

That explotation shit works both ways, and Hartmann and I both understand that.

When it comes to talk about white supremacy there are no other radio show host that brings it up as much as thom,

But another Malcolm quote is “You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”

So he has no problem telling us about the evils of racism when it comes to republicans, but when dems use the same tactics in there campaigns to try to win election . Like the quote lee Atwater said republicans used to win elections.

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

Well the Clinton's have campaigned in the abstract dog whistle.

sista soulja moment, hey white people did you hear black rapper nobody has heard of before me bringing her up said blacks should stop killing each other and kill white people, I bill Clinton is against that.

Hillary saying she has the backing of the hard working white vote, not the lazy black vote Obama has.

Questioning Obama ties to Rev Wright and then trying to make a connections to Farrakhan, you know that black Muslim that talks about violence to white people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3iHQEBMPhM

Can you hear it? the whistle.

The fact hillary chose the term super predators to get a crime bill passed, that was from a racist article claiming that black youths are inherantly these violent creatures and where only growing. bill invited this guy to the Whitehouse.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/very-brief-history-super-predators

"In 1995, the criminologist and political scientist John DiIulio was invited to the White House to attend a working dinner on juvenile crime. "President Clinton took copious notes and asked lots of questions," he reported. So what did DiIulio tell him? In late 1995 DiIulio wrote a magazine article that gives us a pretty good taste:

The Coming of the Super-Predators

We're talking about kids who have absolutely no respect for human life and no sense of the future....And make no mistake. While the trouble will be greatest in black inner-city neighborhoods, other places are also certain to have burgeoning youth-crime problems that will spill over into upscale central-city districts, inner-ring suburbs, and even the rural heartland.

...."They kill or maim on impulse, without any intelligible motive"....The buzz of impulsive violence, the vacant stares and smiles, and the remorseless eyes....they quite literally have no concept of the future....they place zero value on the lives of their victims, whom they reflexively dehumanize.... capable of committing the most heinous acts of physical violence for the most trivial reasons....for as long as their youthful energies hold out, they will do what comes "naturally": murder, rape, rob, assault, burglarize, deal deadly drugs, and get high."

So this is a person that the Clinton's thought would be good for public policy,

So my issue with thom is during the primary, the race with hillary vs bernie as a 1a or 1b choice ,when that is far from the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fSo6DMP_8

Farrakhan: Clinton is 'Satan', 'Wicked'; white people are evil; 2 28 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6LsL-G9Gb0

Donald Trump - Black Muslims support Trump

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zapdam. 2 years 41 weeks ago
#37

Holly molley the fur is flying today, lol

Ghost zapdam is still blocked/banned , zapdam. has been approved though, the . is the difference. Although many of my posts even under zapdam. are being blocked and its taking the wind out of my sails.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 41 weeks ago
#38

Brothers, all: I will be the last to tell you that the troll has not received what trolls deserve, but you have to realize what you are dealing with. As such, I would, respectfully, ask that you ignore them as you would any ignorant entity for they are trite and of no value in terms of what our agenda is. In fact, they validate and substantiate our position.

In our lives, as black men (and women) with considerable intellect, we have seen the likes of this a million times. We see it all day, every day. That is why I started the series on ACD, because that is what it is. The mere fact that my advocation of using the same mechanisms with white people that they use with us translates, in their minds, to something sinister is symptomatic of not only intellectual dishonesty, but Anglo Cognitive Dissonance. Because, if they truly believe that they conduct themselves, and have conducted themselves, righteously they would have no such intellectual perversion; yet their dis-ease makes them incapable of this rather rudimentary logic. This same illness is what allows them to erect monuments to a white man that at age 44 repeatedly raped a 14 year old black child (Thomas Jefferson). This same illness is what allows them to free a white man that shot a sitting U.S, President, wounded and maimed three others killing one of them (James Brady's death was ruled a homicide) and excuse it. No black man could have done such deeds and stayed alive, let alone be a "hero". Patrick Henry says "Give me liberty, or give me death!" he is a patriot and a hero. We say it we are advocating violence. Frankly, not a single soul can provide any proof of me advocating anything but self defense; but Anglo Cognitive Dissonance translates that into "violence". They are sick and they are dis-eased that way. I have no intentions of changing that stark fact nor can I. I, however, do have intentions of perpetually pointing it out because until they understand their illness they will remain sick. Just as we must recognize ours, albeit they are the source of the cancer. All I am doing is holding up the mirror and diagnosing the patient. If you look in a mirror and you are repulsed by the reflection, you need to change the way you look.

"Not until we are lost, do we begin to find ourselves".

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 41 weeks ago
#39

Hollywood- Again you are totally on point and I would be dishonest, and foolish, to disagree. As a matter of fact, check this out:

Mr. Zap- In two years, I have never had anything "banned" or censored and I have broached some mighty controversial subjects. I have e-mailed you an op-ed that I submitted this morning and it went up, at first, for about an hour...then it disappeared. Because I am a vetted author, my work normally gets posted without going through the approval/filter process. Today, I noticed that it did. The real sad thing is that the op-ed, entitled: "The Tactical Error of the Clinton Campaign" is as innocuous as it could possibly be. I can't believe that Thom Hartmann is going to these lengths to suppress any discussion of Hillary Clinton that doesn't amount to kissing her feet. I am really surprised for there is nothing in the piece critical of Clinton other than the fact that I think she is alienating men and that is perilous as a campaign strategy. You would think that Thom and the Clinton folks would want to hear from the people they depend on. I am astonished.

I will always be grateful to Thom Hartmann, but this shows me something that runs counter to what I thought he was/is. To the glee of many, I am done here.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 41 weeks ago
#40

Looks like Thom Hartmann is tripping. Brother Kenyatta, I told you once before that Thom talks the talk but at the end of the day Thom Hartmann is a white boy and that trumps any rhetoric he spouts. As we discussed earlier this week I think all this censoring is evidence of how intimidated people are by the Clintons and how vicious Hillary is. Everyone seems to be scared to death of her,

I got your drift on the inbred trolls big bro but I am like Brother Allen about that...fuck 'em. MapleLeaf, nice of you to stand up to your less intelligent white brother...but no need, we have plenty for his sorry ass. Hollywoodqw, ditto what Brother Kenyatta said. Word.

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zapdam. 2 years 41 weeks ago
#41

Ghost/ Kenyatta/ Brother Allen

Seems things are the same same here as long as you don't talk politics, because as soon as you do unless your comments are a glowing support of Hillary, they will never see the light of day.

Kind of a third world dictatorial approach by Thom and company, you can for the most part speak your mind, just not on politics and definitely not against the flavor of the election cycle.

Ghost I'm not really standing up for anyone in particular, perhaps its my Canadian upbringing trying to understand the point of view of all people whether we a agree or not. I say this with special respect towards you Ghost and your brothers, because had I been raised in racist America as a black man, in defiance of oppression, I would probably ended up in jail, dead or been one hell of a thorn in the side of white America, one of the most legally militant son of a bitches white folk had ever laid eyes on. I would never spend my life living on my knees.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 41 weeks ago
#42

Hello Mr. Zap. Given your previous comment, I have sent you another op-ed that first showed up (for about two hours, yesterday) received several comments...then disappeared. I have e-mailed it to you and would be interested in your thoughts as it seems to not meet the criteria that you have stated.

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#43

Yeah, what happen to that thread? And why? I looked for it this morning and it was gone.

I figured someone said something really off the wall for it to have just disappear but after reading brother Nat's post I've lost my wonder about what happened.

rs allen 2 years 41 weeks ago
#44

Aaah Maaaan have all my brothers been driven out even from here at Hartmann's!!!??

Sheeiiit. Ain't no safe place we don't get beat on for something.

Yeh sho I'm a march'n brother Nat..........fuck'em.

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zapdam. 2 years 41 weeks ago
#45

RS

if you are saying you're not contributing here any more, STOP right now. Like you told me Hartmann has lost a lot of good minds in his latest purge and you CANNOT become one of them.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 41 weeks ago
#46

Brother Allen isn't going anywhere Mr. Zap. All for one, and one for all. We stand together, and we perish together.

There exists a special brotherhood among those who stand shoulder to shoulder in the face of evil.

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