So, the furor continues because of Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the Star Spangled Banner. How dare that Nigger have the audacity to be ungrateful to white folks for their great gift to the Black Person in America. By George, we should be grateful for being kidnapped by the hundreds of thousands if not millions. We should be grateful for having our names and religions stripped from us. We should be grateful that almost three-quarters of a century after the death of Emmet Till that we still have our children slaughtered by white folks, and their murderers suffer no consequence. We should be grateful for being denied education for centuries and the ensuing legacy that still exists today from that institutional policy. Questioning Kaepernick’s “patriotism” was dog-whistle for calling him an uppity nigger. I am reminded of Lyndon Johnson’s calling Martin Luther King an “uppity nigger”.

I guess I qualify as an “uppity nigger”. And an ungrateful, smartassed one at that.

In 1963 Lyndon Baines Johnson said: "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".

Take a moment or two to let that sink in to the rock-hard, granite orb you mistake for a brain.

How prophetic.

How pathetic.

In any event, being the word-nerd that I tend to be, and always fascinated by the incredible and pervasive linguistic ignorance that permeates American society, I thought a closer examination of the word “Patriot” might be in order.

Oxford Dictionary defines the noun “Patriot” as follows: noun

“A person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors”. The two syllable word appears to be a conjunction of “pater” (meaning Father: i.e., “patriarch”, “paternity”, “patrician”, etc.) and…

“Riot”.

Oh the irony.

Webster’s Dictionary defines the term (noun) riot as follows: noun

“A noisy, violent public disorder caused by a group or crowd of persons, as by a crowd protesting against another group, a government policy, etc., in the streets.”

Ergo, the next time you white folks discuss Pat-Riot-ism, and then turn around and decry those Black “Patriots” in Ferguson, Baltimore, Milwaukee and the next city they are bound to happen once again be in, I suggest you get a clue about the terms you utilize.

The “beginning of wisdom is a definition of terms” (Socrates)

After all, it seems that you white “Patriots” are the “fathers” of rioting; the evidence sure seems to point in that direction.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#1

Beautiful breakdown brother K... So much for the New England Patriots. What about that? Colin Kaepernick says America sucks and is figuratively lynched, but Donald Trump says America sucks by saying let's make it great again and a gazillion whities line up to vote for him because he is a "Patriot". I hear folks like Hartmann constantly referring to LBJ and "the great society" and how great he was but look at that bullshit he said. When will these people realize what is GREAT for them ain't so GREAT for us? Brother Kenyatta how is that for ACD?

"I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years". Man, how can Black people reconcile that? That MF meant what he said and it's true. Totally embarrasing to me. Totally.

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zapdam. 2 years 3 weeks ago
#2

Of those millions of blacks who arrived at Americas shores to be shackled and beaten into life long slavery, half as many died in transit in inhuman conditions and were thrown overboard for fish food. These are the nameless ones who died at the hands of America capitalists kick starting their economy on the backs of inhumanity and free labor.

Kenyatta i remember those quotes of 'uppity' by Johnson and we both know the only reason there was any 'give' by the US government and by the white majority population, was they were afraid of the militancy of the 60's blackman. Nothing was given black America, they demanded it and weren't going to take anything less. Little by little the leaders of the black movement were systematically killed off by 'unknown forces' and that blunted the progress of what could full equality under law.

Like Bob Dylan's song says 'Things have Changed' , the white population will soon be the minority population in America and that's when big strides in equality will be made, the hardline old white racists will die off, the rest will realize they are terribly outnumbered.

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Tom Dorricott 2 years 3 weeks ago
#3

The etymology of the word patriot has nothing to do with the word "riot". A review of several sources clearly shows that "patriot" was formed by two words:" pater", which means father in Lation, and "otes" which denotes a "state or condition". Alternatively, the word "patrios" in lation meands "of our fathers". Nothing to do with "riot". ( Just like caucus has nothing to do with Caucasian).

The word "riot" comes from the word "rugire", which in latin, means "roar". (As in "the mice tried to roar, but they could only squeak")

T)erefore, its absurd to say that white Patriots are the fathers of "rioting". As Socrates said , "The beginning of wisdom is a definition of terms". I suggest you better educate yourself on the terminology of the words you use, rather than just making stuff up. Please get a clue about the terms you utilize.

I do know the term "loot" comes from the Hindi "lut" which means to "to snatch". the term today as a verb means "to steal goods (from a place).

Therefore, it was not black "pat-Riots" that overturned cars and ransacked and burned stores in their own neighborhoods. They were simply rioters and looters.

If we want to get clever with words, I would call these thugs in Ferguson and Baltimore who destroyed property " rio-looters". Not Patriots. As in "The riolooters in Baltimore stole drugs from the Rite Aid in order to further the cause of racial harmony." I think I will use this term from now on.

To say that whites are still :slaughtering" black children 75 years after Emmit Till is absurd nonsense. If you want to see the real entity that kills black children, simply investigate the tragedy of black-on-black crime. There is where the real slaughter is.

Also, investigate why asian and African immigrants thrive, and in many cases excel, in the same "lousy" public schools that you are moaning about. If everyone in these schools emulated their culture of achievement, great advancements would be made.

I do agree that LBJ harmed blacks with his "Great Society" programs. By subsidizing, and taking away the stigma that was once called "illigitimacy", he allowed it to explode into the problem that is at the core of the disfunction that exists today.

IIt seems this nation was fine when Kaepernack was a winning, popular, starting quarterback. Now that he's been benched, the US is oppressive to blacks ? hat changed other than his benching? If phoniness came with a bad smell, he would be doing his bench warming with plenty of privacy.

Finally, to put this type "protest" into perspective, a Philadelphia Eagle walk-on wannabe was going to bravely express his dissatisfaction with this country by sitting during the national anthemin the next preseason game. That is, until his agent had a talk with him. Now he will stand for the anthem. ( I guess his agent showed him how great this country really is. Surely, he didn't sacrifice his conscience for the promise of a fat contract. Or did he?)

At least he is and Kaepernack are not a riolooters.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
#4
Quote zapdam.:

Kenyatta i remember those quotes of 'uppity' by Johnson and we both know the only reason there was any 'give' by the US government and by the white majority population, was they were afraid of the militancy of the 60's blackman. Nothing was given black America, they demanded it and weren't going to take anything less. Little by little the leaders of the black movement were systematically killed off by 'unknown forces'

I would add, Mr. Zap, that the professed (albeit posthumous) adoration for Dr. King by whites is the most prima facie evidence of that fact. There was never any mass love or respect for MLK by white Americans; for his tauted "non-violence" was met with brutal violence by whities...note the nature of his demise. Much of what he is credited for accomplishing was a result of Malcolm X (and other Black so-called "militants") being the absolute polar opposite to MLK's relative passivity which resulted, in the white man's mind, in the acceptance of the lesser of two evils. MLK would have "accomplished" nothing without the counterpoint of Father X. Only an uninformed idiot would utter otherwise.

The murder of Black people that have the audacity to step to the white man is by design. As I mentioned on my piece about The Greatest (Muhammad Ali), he was the last of a breed of Black men that weren't taking any shit from white boys. Barack Obama, though I think him an intelligent and personable man, is a joke in terms of possessing the courage that these men had. Essentially, he is the proverbial Uncle Tom.

Now, Mr. Zap, I have refrained from this issue but I must tell you that I am a little perplexed at the people you call "friend". People that use words like "illigitimacy" when referring to Black people in America. People that, essentially, suggest that Black People in America should be happy plantation hands singing songs of satiation while our children continue to be murdered wholesale. People that use racial stereotypes such as referring to me (of all people) as an "entertainer".

You have garnered my respect, Mr. Zap, over the years and you have broached many a subject and made many a statement that nary a white individual, in the U.S., would dare. As a direct result, I have accepted that you are a man of conviction and intellect. However, be careful of the company you keep. You know enough about me to know that it is a tactical error to compromise your own alleged principles. I would hate to lose the respect I have for you, as you are one of the few people that I address directly and communicate with privately. Differences of opinions are fine and I welcome them; but cowardly, unmanly behavior such as attacking the children, or even mentioning them, of a person whom you do not know because they got under your skin is not tolerated here. I realize that some of you are much older than I am and this venue is probably more significant to you than it is to me, but that does not excuse certain conduct. If an individual has something to say that is of any significance, they should do what you and I have always done: write an article/essay/op-ed/blog and...post it. My manhood prevents me from stalking another man and allowing him to outdo me whilst I act like a pimply faced 12 year old girl pining for attention at a Justin Timberlake concert.

Via con dios.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#5

Uh-oh.

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zapdam. 2 years 3 weeks ago
#6

Kenyatta

I was well aware what i was doing in befriending certain indivuals and that certain repercussions may evolve. I have many times said i respect and enjoy the interaction of all individuals, many i don't always agree with, but their comments are welcome all the same and whats more many times in civilized dialogue, i have seen their point of view and have earned enough respect to exchange my thoughts.

As for ugly uncalled for comments made here in the heat of the moment, many times provoked by both sides, they should be admonished at the time , but taken with a grain of salt.

Perhaps it's my Canadian upbringing that has always taught me to find the middle road, no matter how strained the topic of conversation. Kindness and respect is not kissing ass or blowing smoke and it certainly isn't weakness, its the strength of not being afraid to listen and show courtesy to people you don't necessarily agree with.

Perhaps it's this polarizing bias that defines American's as much the racism, the gun issue, the uncaring cruelty of your fuck you i've got mine society. Perhaps from birth American's have been deliberately taught there can be a no middle road .

Dukkah Earl 2 years 3 weeks ago
#7

To be fair, that LBJ quote is unproven:

http://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/

I'm not sure if you know this but 'Madden NFL 17' is planning to include Kapernick's protest.

http://nesn.com/2016/08/colin-kaepernicks-national-anthem-protest-will-b...

Not sure how they will address it and not sure how it will be utilized. On the plus side, it could go a long way to raise awareness of the problem, or it could have the opposite effect, especially if there is no context. I'm not a gamer, so I don't really know the mindset of those who participate in those games.

While his act is still recent, it would be helpful if more players in the league would take the baton throughout the season to keep the fight at the forefront. The media could and will probably start to ignore Kapernick as the season progresses, but would find it more difficult to do so if it became a movement in every game by many or all players. Hell, it would be even better if the fans shared that baton. I just hope this doesn't fade from the headlines like the Missouri football team protest.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 3 weeks ago
#8

Kenyatta: Why is it you are all about complaining and fighting everyone except the drug dealers and gang bangers that are destroying black neighborhoods?

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TomDorr 2 years 3 weeks ago
#9

zapdam; Note the swap of my blog/response name. If there is any doubt, #3. (Having technical issues).

It seems Kenyatta does not like people disagreeing with him in the same tone as he blogs. I value our intelligent dialogs, and know you are independent enough to choose who you respond to. ( I'm still in my response to your 80 year blog" .Some challenging stuff there,)

It is also obvious that Kenyatta does not like to be proven wrong, as this blog shows about etymology. As you see, I responded in the same tenor as his blog.

I must respond to his accusations, though. I do not use the word "illigitimate",However, it is true, as I said, that that word was used at that time, and very frequently. I used it to show there was stigma. Considering his use of words describing people of Western heritage, I find this to be hypocritical. I do not use words such as "illigitimate" to describe blacks, and he knows it. I also don't suggest that blacks be "happy plantation hands ..while our children are murdered wholesale". This is an all out fabrication. I will, however, point out those parts of his blogs or comments that represent grossly exaggerated hyperbole that suggests we are still in the Antebellum South or the Jim Crow era. This stuff can be divisive, insulting, and hyperbolic misdirection that distract from real, actual problems of the present . Like the statement he made about "our (black) children being murdered wholesale." Really? in 2016? Wholesale? By whom? Certainly not by white people, as I pointed out in my response.

Also, I do refer to Kenyatta as entertaining. This has nothing to do with his race, but the fact I am unable to take him seriously when he writes such inflammatory, unverifiable blogs that don't stand up to factual or intellectual scrutiny in today's society. This is entertainment for me, and intellectual exercise that I enjoy. I would not like even a handful of people to accept his stuff at face value. Without reading responsible critique.

Finally, here we have a person that frequently brings his children into the blogs. In his previous (yesterday's) blog, you can see how he inserted his children into the discussion. If I were any disrespectful or insulting to his children, that would be a different story. But as you know, I have been anything but. Just another deflection used to try to hide the fact that I successfully "call" him on his exaggerations and accusations.

Also. Is his use of "white boys", "slaughtered by white folks" "rock hard granite orb you mistake for a brain" in one blog alone, something that can be considered respectful dialogue intended to achieve understanding?

I really don't care, but find it incredibly hypocritical and intellectually dishonest when he complains about my use of the term "illigitimate" in historical context only.

And speaking of intellectual dishonesty, his etymology of the word Patriot has no foundation in reality, and is skewed simply to inflame and vent his obvious rage and resentment toward persons of my persuasion. And he also likes to employ profane sock puppets/minions to try to insult and cow those that disagree with him.

Now he seems to be condescending enough to question your intellectual and political exchanges with me. I think you can see that I respond to how I am treated in dialog, do not use profanity, and try to stick to the issues and back up my statements. I'm glad we disagree, because I have learned more from those I've disagreed with, (including you), than bobbleheads.

Zapdam, I will continue to express my vies, and return fire when necessary. Intellectual dishonesty cloaked in self-importance is something I will always battle.

Your posts are entertaining, also, and I hope you find mine the same.

By our connection, I have a much better appreciation for Canada and the Palestinians, and I like the ammo you give me in my keyboard battle against corporate Sharia law.

Kenyatta likes to dish out venom, but apparently cannot tolerate or handle critical analysis that disproves his distaste for the "pink people".

Zap-If you are a hockey, fan, that would be great too. I am adie hard Flyers fanatic, and if you are a fan of any of the teams in your country, I enjoy good natured sports ribbing.

Peace Tom Dorr(icott).

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zapdam. 2 years 3 weeks ago
#10

Ghost

Now i know what you meant by " Uh-oh "

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
#11
Quote zapdam.:

Kenyatta

Perhaps it's this polarizing bias that defines American's as much the racism, the gun issue, the uncaring cruelty of your fuck you i've got mine society. Perhaps from birth American's have been deliberately taught there can be a no middle road .

First off, Mr. Zap, I am not an "American" so I cannot speak to what I believe your inference is. As you know, I could, quite easily, linguistically smash anyone I choose. However, my deference for Thom, his staff and the relationship that I have developed precludes me from executing certain things. There are lines that I will not cross in terms of personal attacks; and, again, that is in deference to Thom and that's all I need to say about that.

It is my, quite subjective, opinion that few, if any, in this venue possess the cultural savvy, linguistic dexterity, erudition, intelligence, education, courage and/or conviction that I have to engage me in any meaningful way. Many of them suffer from a kind of cerebral rigor mortis. In effect, as you have often noted, they are brain dead. For me to engage them would be akin to a kind of intellectual necrophilia; and it is a crime, a felony in fact, in the State of California to fuck dead folks.

The good news, the Gospel, is that I have many more intelligent, decent people both Black and White that have supported me here for several years. In fact, they are the reason I am here.

That having been clearly stated, you will recall last year that I received numerous death threats; which were immediately dealt with. However, not one, including yourself, of you white boys (and gals) uttered a word about it. Yet, I have been lambasted for allegedly advocating "violence" despite the fact that not one person on planet earth can cite, in my many writings and speeches, an occasion where I have done so. My advocating that Blacks should utilize the same mechanisms that white folks do is something that you folks need to contemplate. If it's good for you, then why is it verbotten for everyone else; particularly those subjected to your violence and brutality? This is the essence of Anglo Cognitive Dissonance and "white privilege".

As for "opinions", I am slightly surprised that you have underestimated my intellect to such a degree. Have you ever asked yourself: why would he have such views and express them, so vividly, in an environment dominated by white/pink folks knowing that he is going to be subject to all manner of vileness? Not only is that by design, it is particularly targeted to so-called "liberal" white folks because it exposes their hypocrisy; trust there is a method to my madness and I am smart enough to show only the cards I wish to show. No one can coerce, induce, goad, bait or cajole me into anything I do not wish and plan to do. Yes, I have an ulterior motive here and no one knows what it is but me and a select few others.

I try not to get in pissing contests with skunks. I have been through things in this life, including fire-fights and other modes of combat, that would make the average one of you cowards hiding behind an internet moniker vomit, piss and shit all over yourselves; and seen men die in ways unimaginable. I have seen humanity at its very, very worst. Most currently, in the battle of my life being a single parent with SLE, writing, speaking to youth across the State and running a consulting firm. So miss me with the inference of being thin-skinned. If that were the case I could initiate any number of measures to mute my inbred detractors quite easily, as you well know Mr. Zap. In fact, I love the inbreds because they validate my statements and prove my points. Useful idiots, somewhat.

Lastly, when some inbred anal orifice says to me "I hope your children" are this or that...that is an insult to my children. Insult me all you want, but don't insult my children. I have made the challenge before, and I'll make it again: my children are stellar academics, have been recognized by Presidents of the United States on numerous occasions as have I as a parent (and a single one at that). All of which are matters of public record. I will, delightedly, provide irrefutable proof thereof as you provide me with proof of what your accomplishments, and those of that which spewed forth from your loins, are (as a parent, student, professional and otherwise). All I've heard or seen so far are crickets.

Open invitation.

The same inbred, pink anal orifices that attempt to sound intelligent about my history and my people, cannot even recite the name of a speech by Malcolm X even though, ironically, it was provided in the text. Same inbred idiots stated that I had a "son going to Harvard"...I have no sons, and my daughter is headed to either Cal Berkley or Stanford, a decision that we have yet to make. No mention, ever, of "sons", no mention, ever of Harvard; provide an iota of evidence of same and I'll stop writing here, there and everywhere on top of eating my hat whilst wearing a pink tutu. Same stupid individuals said that the United States did not vastly change after 9-11. Same idiots are so delusional and racist that they refuse to accept that there are several Brothers here, all well-educated (how could we not be), that are, indeed, real people...something you well know but remain mute about. Now, I understand, Mr. Zap, just want to make sure you understand too. Because, you see, I am well aware that you, rightfully so, take great stock in being white man, just like I take great stock in being a Black one. And just like your whiteness and the privilege that comes with it is important to you and non-negotiable, so is my status as a Melanicman and a member of the world's majority. I have a few more things to lay on you, but I will do so off-line.

I rest my case.

Now you racist pink bastards can count on me being in your faces (and asses) as long as Thom allows me the pleasure of doing so; and you have even tried to intimidate him to no avail, as he is a man that walks the walk...more often than not. In the meantime, sit on this:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/why-would-any-person-color-want-s...

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Mzungu.3000 2 years 3 weeks ago
#12

Whew---for some strange reason the words "verbal bitch slap" come to mind. I think I'll sit this one out.

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TomDorr 2 years 3 weeks ago
#13

Kenyatta-If you took the time to read the response about "Harvard" and your son, you would see that I said I was speaking "theoretically" as to not directly refer to your family, as requested. Read it again, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y. Also, I have wished your family nothing but the best. You know I said nothing disrespectful about your family. Finally, if they are "off limits", why do you refer to them, and include details about them ? Did you not mention them? To avoided distractions from the issues, I will refrain from mentioning those family members you insert in your blogs.

So, does that mean you actually BELIEVE that Patriot has anything to do with the word "riot"?. You just cannot stand or accept the fact that someone unmasks you for the unjustifiably angry, factually challenged, resentment-fueled pseudo-intellectual ranter you are. I don't care how you perceive me. However, you are entertaining, in a reverse "Archie Bunker " type of way. There is "fun" in the disfunction, and you are harmless. And also thin-skinned, I have learned.

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. But those who are angrily obsessed with the past to the point they cannot accurately describe the present, are doomed to bitter fantasy. Especially if reality doesn't fit their angry narrative.

"Patriot", caucus, riot, Caucasian." I think you will find them in the Oxford dictionary. Read and learn.

I hope some day you befriend reality and embrace fact.

Peace

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#14

Befriend this inbred ones--

while you pink people pontificate on the what if's and why for's sitting under the MAGNOLIA trees chewing blades of grass, here's a dose of reality.

http://rollingout.com/2016/09/01/white-racist-gang-leader-kills-black-teen-running-jeep/

Now while you chewing on that grass, or smoking it pontificate on the last time a Black person has committed the same act on one of yours.

Oh yeah, Mzungu 'Bitch slap' is pretty accurate...but I knew that was coming. Knock on the devil's door long enough that MF will answer.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#15

Yo MapleLeaf--I can recall when it came to you defending the white damsel atop the watchtower in distress you wasn't so diplomatic and "middle-grounded"---you came guns blazing for the white girl who was dead wrong and out of line. Keep it real Mapleleaf. Keep it real. I ain't here to make friends and Kenyatta sure as hell ain't. We have a different agenda. If we make "friends" along the way so be it. Any fool thinking we consider ourselves VICTIMS is a damned fool---the reality is that we are the opposite of victims. We are on offense, not defense. Shocks you white boys don't it? Don't mean a thing if it ain't got dat swing homie. We are cool---for now--but keep it real. we can ratchet this up however you like. Unlike you white boys that have few experiences with us we are forced to have experiences with you and we know how you roll.

I notice nobody took my big brother up on his challenge. Wut up wit dat? Where you at CSpan2?????

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zapdam. 2 years 3 weeks ago
#16

Kenyatta

Well i wasn't going to respond further, but since you made our differences very public i've been forced to. Kenyatta you're a bully and i won't respond to bullies.

Ghost i'm a little more than disappointed at your response, piling on and gloating at my perceived filleting, is like a said disappointing.

As for you Kenyatta, a diplomat you'd never make. I've for the most part kept relatively quiet at these cat fights that always erupt with your every posting. There's an anger there on your part, that seems almost pathological or very unhealthy at the very least.

From here on i'm opting out of any of your discussions, i no longer want to be part of what constantly devolves into a very divisive hatefest. I wish you or your friends including Ghost, no ill will.

One of our Prime Ministers, Mr Diefenbaker once crossed by either a reporter, politician or whomever, would never ever talk or acknowledge that person again, his silence was powerful, strategic and deafening.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
#17

Mr. Zap, be mindful that your response, is a response. I don't recall applying to be a "diplomat" nor do I recall ever expressing being desirous of same. In fact, I am admittedly the antithesis of a "diplomat" and have zero idea what ever gave you such a notion.

I am neither upset with you, nor do I wish you any "ill-will" (as you so eloquently stated), and you are entitled to your opinions. Like I said previously... Via con dios; if you believe in such. I lived on this planet five decades without knowing of you, or your existence and I still don't really "know" you. I trust that our lives will continue until their respective expiration dates sans our limited interaction and knowledge of one another. At the end of the day this is all shitz and giggles for me. As long as people are reading what I write, and responding thereto, I am in their heads and that is my intent as someone else recently pointed out. No one has to read what I write, and they can switch the television station or turn the volume down on whatever hardware they happen to be utilizing if I am speaking; and they sure as hell don't have to comment. Again my intent is to get in people's heads. I find it extremely gratifying; pleasurable, in fact.

Nonetheless, I remain a fan of your work and will continue to admire same when warranted.

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NatTurnersGhost 2 years 3 weeks ago
#18

Sorry to "disappoint" you MapleLeaf but I'm just keeping it real.

Dukkah Earl 2 years 3 weeks ago
#19
At the end of the day this is all shitz and giggles for me.

That's disappointing. I was hoping for a lively discussion of going about improving race relations and it seems all you want to do is write a literary middle finger to a particular race of people. I had thought your goal was to explain the problems and seek or present solutions. Not that I was expecting any kind of Kumbaya moment, but it just seems your writings are counterproductive to any such cause.

It's my fault I guess, since Thom has spoken highly of you I was expecting something else. It's a disappointment that I'll get over quite quickly. In the meantime, enjoy knocking out those blogs as they can help increase the volcabulary of your readers. Just avoid playing with definitions. You get things flowing, then it gets all staccatto. It sounds like you try so hard to make it work and all it does is cheapens the post.

Clamo, clamatis, omnes clamamus pro glace lactis.

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TomDorr 2 years 3 weeks ago
#20

Dukkah Earl: As stated by countless respondees to kenyatta, he has an overarching anger problem that clouds everything he writes. He would rather taunt, unfortunately, than attempt to share perspective. Its a shame. Kenyatta is a smart man, although not nearly the brilliant intellectual he claims to be (ad nauseum).

He is, however, a good form of entertainment if you don't take him seriously. Especially the way he makes up his own etymologies of words like ' Patriot" or, as in a previous blog, "Caucus".

If you can read his blogs with amusement and ignore the profanity of his sock/puppets/minions, it can be a source of light humor. Like Roadrunner cartoons. Just be aware, he has a very thin skin.

Excellent observation, Mr. Earl.

(Now we just wait for the arrival of the profane Bunyips. They are also humorous, like the Lowbrows of a Shakespearean play.)

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 3 weeks ago
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Duke of Earl: nice song, by the way. 'Tis unfortunate that you have taken offense, I am here to offend those that need offending; but I am heartened to know you will get over it quickly (just keep reading what I write in the meantime). Your reference to Thom Hartmann was meant to have an impact it does not have; I've been around too long and I've been the same guy the whole tour. However, you are correct in that I am "giving the middle finger to a certain race of people". That same race of people have given mine the "middle finger" for four hundred years and counting. I think the problem that you are having is that, though we are used to your giving us the middle finger, you are not used to it being given back. No, as a rule, I do not like white people for I have lived long enough to draw conclusions based on experience, history (both past and present) and mathematical data. There are exceptions...but as a rule I do not...it would be illogical for me to do so. That having been said, and if you have read the many essays I have written, I am not particularly happy with my folks either. In fact, I am deeply critical of them as expressed here: http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/r-kenyatta/blog/2016/01/message-black-man-part-i-great-debaters

I write for several entities. certain ones I focus on certain things. Here my goal is to confront white people, but you'd best believe I let my people have it as well. In fact, I am harder on us than you because we should know by now what your program is; yet, we seem to be destined to feed into it. For instance: knowing that white folks have denied us education, erudition and literacy why do we, as a group, continue to act in ways that crystalize their stereotypes? Say what you want, but the 'lil nigger with his hat turned backwards and his pants "saggin" (niggas spelled backwards), can't fill out a job application and speaks in a way that you can readily pigeon-hole is far more detrimental to our cause than one of you inbreds. In fact, you love him...it's me you hate. You know why? He can never move next door to you. He is damned by his ignorance and, thusly, relegated to a certain station in life which is just fine with you; which is why you forbade him literacy and education in the first place and, to this very day, ensure that he is relegated to inferior and dysfunctional schools. Who do you people think you are kidding? Me and those like me, on the other hand, have the skills to live next door to you...in fact I might very well live next door to you. My living next door to you is disturbing to you for some very primal reasons that I will not discuss at this time. Depending on how smart you are you know what I am getting at. I readily admit that. However, that is a conversation that I have in the venues that I choose to have it in. None of you know what my experiences are, and we are all products of our experiences...you at least have that much sense, correct? I was edccated by elite white folks in elite schools; I've been kicking white boys asses for a long, long time. Kicking your ass scholastically, kicking your ass on the football field, kicking your ass professionally and kicking your ass right here. And I have absolutely no fear of you. None.

Zero.

Back to this "middle finger". I want to thank you for that because it has become the title to a piece that I will complete soon and I have you to thank for that inspiration. As for "definitions" I am a well paid wordsmith. You can take that for what it's worth. If you will read the post closely you will realize two things I was being sarcastic in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way and, more importantly, I use the words "apparently" in referring to a conjunction. One of the things that my particular education and line of work reinforces is how to always present potential arguments in a way in which there is always an "escape lane". Etymology, at best, is a dubious science and in most cases there is no way to really confirm nor deny word origins and connections. At some point, one is relegated to subjective conclusions predicated upon deductive logic. In other words, what makes sense and is most likely. http://www.academia.edu/9400014/Etymology

Further, given the fact that all dictionaries, lexicons and the like are written by white people, you end up on kind of a dead end street when defining terms. Take the word "racism", the argument is already lost if you are non-white because the white boy defines the terms. Get it? Or is this too deep for you?

Now the really good news (for you). Soon I will depart this venue at a time of my choosing, as it has begun to outlive its usefullness. Now, now...despair not! It will be a while yet.

Dukkah Earl 2 years 2 weeks ago
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Yes, it is a nice song. I thought it a great way to sign off. After all, who hates ice cream?

Anyway, can't say I didn't try. As I said, I am in the market of discussing a problem and reaching mutual goals for solutions. It would appear you are not. You may return as often as want to this post or any of your others, but for me, its usefulness was lost long before I entered into the conversation. So, no, I wasn't offended, just disappointed. Try reading the actual words and not between lines that don't exist.

BTW, etymology is based on various evidence. It's the job of the etymologist to use available evidence to draw the most obvious conclusion. To invent meanings of a word to further one's argument, without any obvious implied tongue-in-cheek reason, weakens the message because it creates an established error in the reader's mind, thusly diminishing the premise. While you may say you were being sarcastic, your tonal set-up did not establish that. (But then again, I am relatively new to your writings) If you do write for money, hire an editor, they can point this stuff out. They will usually fact check too, which would also go a long way to support your process and improve upon your desire to put forth a message.

Mihi ignosce. Cum homine de cane debeo congredi.

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R. Kenyatta 2 years 2 weeks ago
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Quote Dukkah Earl:

You may return as often as want to this post or any of your others,

Why thank you Massa Boss! I sho did want cho permission and advice (I'm shuffling my feet now, looking down with hat in hand).

And I abhor ice cream, as do I most sweets.

Good luck with that perro; hopefully, it will not bite you in the asinus.

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TomDorr 2 years 2 weeks ago
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Dukkah Earl: Now you see Kenyatta's true colors. When he is proven wrong about anything, including etymology, he refuses to admit it. You are right. He tried to invent an etymolgy that doesn't exist, except in his mind. Awhile ago, he did the same with the word "caucus". Of course, he blames this on the fact that the dictionaries of the English language were written by "whites". Now white persons victimize him by their dictionaries, with definitions and etymologies. A strange position to take by someone who is basically a copy editor.

Poor Kenyatta is going crazy. It shows in his blogs and responses. Until recently, his angry blogs were not significantly countered by much criticism. The fact Thom allows him to speak his mind made him think he was a cause-celebre, when he was simply another caller. Now, when he has had his angry screeds eviscerated by those who expose the fact he is far from the brilliant intellectual he thinks he is, he goes beserk.

As an example, he took your "you may return" statement out of context, and omitted the last part of your very insightful sentence. His "Massa" reply to you is insulting and completely unwarranted.

Soon he will "take his football and leave" because this site has, and is, exposing him as an emperor with no (intellectual) clothes.

He is also paranoid and clouded by resentment if he thinks we hate successful African Americans. How sad his little world of delusion must be.

He is actually amusing if you don't take him seriously. A great source of light entertainment. However, as he falls farther and farther into his resentment-fueled, delusional prison, he is becoming more pathetic than amusing. Like a town drunk whose clownish foibles makes one look the other way.

If Kenyatta leaves, so will his sock puppet minions. I think this venue can survive without his polarization, and, as you and I hope, we can have rational discourse and gain real insights from each other.

His "massah" reply was unwarranted and shows his desperation. Don't take it personally. You did nothing to warrant his ignorant screed.

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