For the white denialists that absolutely refuse to accept the origins of policing in the United States (slave patrols), the disproportionate murders, shootings and summary executions of Black People in America and the inherent Blackism , that is part of the culture, in law-enforcement I submit to you the following: http://usuncut.com/news/cop-fired-using-racial-slur-social-media/ Yep, the white racist pig of a woman went there.

Factor in to the aforementioned, the killings, in just the past week, of Terence Crutcher, Keith Scott and Alfred Olango and tell me that there isn’t something rotten afoot. It’s always been there; and the only people that deny its existence are the ones unaffected by it.

I have often written about my training in law enforcement and how inherently racist that training was, and still is. So, white folks, here are my interrogatories to you: whilst you sit back and make excuses every time this happens such as “he should have complied with police”, ”she had marijuana in her system”, “he stole some cigars”, “it looked like a real gun (forget it was a 12 year old)”, etc. please provide me with examples of the same thing happening in reverse perpetrated upon you by black police officers…or any police officers on a regular basis. Please do so, because white folks smoke more weed and use more dope than anybody in the U.S. Further, they not only routinely do not comply with police orders they, in fact, go off on the cops in a way no Black person would conceive…and they don’t end up dead or otherwise physically assaulted and damaged as a rule.

Also, please give me instances when officer to officer radio transmissions referred to “trailer trash”, “crackers”, “honkies”, “inbreds”, “Neanderthals” etc. as did LAPD officers referring to Black People in America as “Gorilla’s in the Mist”. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/06/opinion/la-oe-newton-rodney-king-20110306 Please do so. While you are compiling that data, be mindful that Black People in America represent less than 15% of the total U.S. population: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.5d6f568aaf9d Or instances of black police officers that use COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPUTERS to send e-mails like these to one another: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/02/us/los-angeles-sheriff-chief-tom-angel-racist-emails/

While you’re at it, please provide me an example where an entire police department uses WHITE boys as targets on the gun range…or Asians, or Latinos, or Arabs, or Native Americans. Please do so (and don’t come up with some three legged dog that represents an anomaly, for this is a regular theme in terms of law-enforcement and Black People in America). How can you people keep a straight face? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/16/florida-police-department-caught-using-african-american-mug-shots-for-target-practice/

Since you are already compiling the numerous instances and evidence that refutes my assertion, you might as well tell me when was the last time a little white girl was slammed down on the ground, while in her classroom, by a 200 plus pound man. Please do. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-appears-show-cop-body-slamming-student-s-c-classroom-n451896

And while you rationalize that one, here is yet another Black FEMALE being physically assaulted by a white pig in uniform, hiding his cowardly ass behind a badge: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-appears-show-cop-body-slamming-student-s-c-classroom-n451896

Here’s another one for you: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/22/video-austin-police-body-slam-black-teacher-tell-her-blacks-have-violent-tendencies/

And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcCN5C7UBx0

And another: http://usuncut.com/news/cops-caught-pepper-spraying-handcuffed-15-year-old-girl-hit-car-video/ So you know, that 15 year old girl is now partially blind by the canister of pepper spray the unloaded in the rear of the patrol car where she sat handcuffed. Her crime? She had just been hit by a car while on her bike. Please note that all of these assaults of Black females, several of whom are minor children, have occurred in the past 36 months (and that’s hardly all of them).

Last, but hardly least, show me where a black police officer has taken a “selfie” saying “I’m the law today, Honkey”.

You people need to get real. And as much respect and admiration as I have for people like Thom Hartmann and other decent-minded white people, you can go straight to hell if you expect me to wring my hands the next time a brother goes 5150 ala Dallas or Baton Rouge. Until you people can provide me with examples of the same things happening to your fellow white men, women and children and how you have responded go fly a kite…on the freeway while you’re talking that “angry black man” excrement. If you folks were any more full of shit you’d float.

And I meant what I said.

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gmodem 1 year 29 weeks ago
#1

You seem upset, I hope you find peace in your life.

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 29 weeks ago
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Quote gmodem:

You seem upset, I hope you find peace in your life.

Uh, I guess he is. Your comment could only come from white privilege. Here is a person that has presented numerous examples of injustice and instead of responding to the specifics or debating the facts you say " I hope you find peace". I can't imagine how arrogant, stupid and offensive that must be to those that endure this reality day after day. Out of curiosity what do you offer as a remedy?

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Zenbrarian 1 year 29 weeks ago
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Quote gmodem:

You seem upset, I hope you find peace in your life.

Do you see a reason for this man to "seem upset"? Or are you being facetious? Perhaps Kenyatta should write something so as not to upset you. We'll see if he'll oblige.

Kenyatta & others, I just ran across a NYTimes article by Chris Lebron titled "I'm Black. Does America Have a Plan for My Life?" I do encourage people to read his words, but most importantly read the comments. Seems there are plenty of people offended by an intelligent and articulate Black Man. Go figure.

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 29 weeks ago
#4

Well said Zen and Mzungu. KNOW justice, KNOW peace!

So Gmodem, I take it you have no answer or evidence that nullifies the "upset" brother's legitimate position. Is my assumption correct? And why don't you share with us po black folk how we ought not be "upset". I'm dying to know what your enlightened white perspective is.

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gmodem 1 year 28 weeks ago
#5

A wish of peace is white privilege? That seems a bit silly. I'm not upset Zen but thank you. I'm not going to pretend to know better than yourself what you ought to do Nat, I wish you luck figuring that out.

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 28 weeks ago
#6

The white privilege is shown by your being so detached to what the post is about that the most brilliant response you could muster was the one you gave. That's white privilege, I understand that the concept may be beyond your grasp which is further proof of its reality.

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#7

A small army of angry anecdotists, racial hucksters, and tort lawyers trying to get "paid" are promoting the false narrative that police forces in this country are manned by racist officers who are hunting down black men and killing them. Even forming a new incarnation of the old Southern "slave patrols".

These individuals, and uninformed angry groups of naive "activists", protestors, and looters, would have us believe that racism is the driving force behind the deaths of blacks killed by policemen, and that white criminals are the beneficiaries of some type of "kinder, gentler" treatment.

While it makes for interesting fiction, and many of the angry, foaming-at-the-mouth screeds are in their own way harmless entertainment, the narrative of racist officers hunting down blacks is not in any way supported by the facts.

The following are the salient facts regarding police shootings in this country:

Fact: In raw numbers, far more whites have been killed by police than blacks, annually. in 2015, 732 whites vs. 381 blacks, including 50 unarmed persons of each race. (The Washington Post, July 2016)

Fact: Blacks are 2.5 times more likely, proportionately, to be killed by police than whites. However, Blacks also commit major crimes at a much higher rate than whites. According to "TWP" research published July of this year, in the 75 largest counties in the U.S., blacks, although representing only 15% of the population, committed an astounding 62% of the robberies, 57% of the murders, and 45% of the assaults.Proportionally, althouigh blacks were 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than whites, they were more than four times more likely to rob someone, nearly four times more likely to kill someone, and three times more likely to commit assault.

Given the very high participation in these criminal activities that lead to contact with police, it should be obvious to all that high criminal activity, not racial animus, is responsible for blacks killed by police.

Fact: In 2013, 37% of police officers killed were killed by blacks. In 2014, that percentage is 26%. his from a population only representing 13% of the country. (Newsweek Magazine 3/21/2015).

Fact: A police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male in the U.S. than an unarmed black male is likely to be killed by police. ( Dr. Heather MacDonald, "The War on Police", July 2016)

Fact: In the white community, 12% killed in 2015 were killed by policemen, compared to 4% of blacks killed by policemen. (MacDonald "The War on Police") This means three times as many whites than blacks were killed by police as a percentage of population.

This prompted Dr. MacDonald to state, astutely, that " It is a scandal that outrage is heaped less upon the disfunctional culture that produces so many victims than on the police officers that are trying to protect them".

Fact: In a 2015 US Justice Department analysis of the race of the Philadelphia Police doing the shootings, it was found that black police officers were more likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than white officers. ( USDOJ 2016 rept.)

Harvard Professor Richard G Fryer, no conservative shill, found in his paper " An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force," after an analysis of 1,000 police shootings " There is zero evidence of racial bias in police shootings"

The above list of facts and findings should clearly put to rest fears that racist police are hunting down and executing blacks.A racial community that has a disproportionally very high amount of major criminal activity will almost certainly have a much higher amount of their members killed by police. Particularly when that community kills police and civilians at rates much higher then its percentage of the general population.

If there is any "denial" over this issue, it is by those who deny that cultural dysfunction in many communities is the prime cause of police shootings of blacks.Communities that breed crime and many times resemble war zones will certainly have more fatal encounters with the police than the norm.

Lastly, the fourteen or so examples of police shootings, roughness, jail suicides, and talking mean, in the above blog, do not make a persuasive argument that racist police are gunning down black males and torturing black females with any regularity whatsoever. "A few cases of sniffles do not a pandemic make."

If one wants to reduce the number of blacks being killed by police in the line of duty, it will require sweeping cultural change. Not of the police forces that keep our nation safe, but of the communities that create war zones dangerous for everyone.Even if all police killings of blacks in 2015 were eliminated, that would only reduce the rate of black murders by four percent. Why is there so little focus, self-examination, and resolve to stop the culture that results in the vast majority of murdered African Americans?

Thos that ignore the facts and instead blame "others" for self-inflicted wounds are the ones so full of s---t they could float. The angry, one-trick-pony race-men who claim they would not wring their hands over the killing of police officers by thugs are free to burble and sputter what they want. They are few in number, inconsequential, and have less impact than a fart during an earthquake.

Another entertaining blog from a very creative wordsmith. Rich in hyperbole and marinated in unwarranted rage, yet lacking in reality.

To second gmodem: " You seem upset. I hope you find peace in your life."

Peace

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#8

By the way Ghost I almost forgot, you know that 'debt' i owe you and Kenyatta for coming to bat for me when 'zapdam' was banned. Well 'Zapdam' is still banned , but Zapdam. isn't, so no debt incurred there my friend, although i did appreciate the offer. Perhaps your power and influence isn't as great as you thought or take credit for. I was just to polite to tell you, you aren't the legends you think you are.. There you go another comment to keep this post alive, a lifeline for a post that seems to be going no where, because people are shutting down, getting tired of the weekly counter productive hatefest.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#9

Wow! this sites been awful quiet.

TomDorr that's quite a post, some things we agree on some things we don't. First off the comment that a police officer is 18.5 times more likely to get killed by a black man than a white man, could be because a vast majority of police encounters are with the black community , even though they only represent approx 12.% of the total US population, 12.% of Americas population are targeted by police over 50% of the time.Sounds like the old slave patrols to me.

You mentioned out of 1113 Americans killed by police, 381 were black. A proportional rate of police killing of blackmen at 12.% of the population should be 133 dead blacks, but as you can see 381 is virtually triple that number.

This above fact supercedes most of the rest of your argument. Plus it's a fact ,1 in 3 black men will go to jail, while in the white population 1 in 17 will end up behind bars. A 2011 report states:

"Racial minorities are more likely than white Americans to be arrested; once

arrested, they are more likely to be convicted; and once convicted, they are more likely to face stiff sentences. African American males are six times more likely to be incarcerated than white males and 2.5 times more likely than Hispanic males If current trends continue, one of every three black American males born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime, as can one of every six Latino males—compared to one of every seventeen white males." http://sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Race-and-Justice-Shadow-Report-ICCPR.pdf

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#10

MapleLeaf I don't recall stating you "owe" me shit white boy. Just like you sprouted I'd "slit my children's throats" and lied, here you tell another. To be expected from a plagiarist I suppose. Like most of you you lie for effect. Then when you get called on your " little WHITE lies" you equivocate. You are a liar and a gutless coward. Better sit your ass there in the frozen tundra and keep cutting and pasting since you obviously have nothing else to do.

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gmodem 1 year 28 weeks ago
#11

I just thought maybe a wish of peace would be a good starting point knowing full well anything more I muster would be white privilege, regardless of what that anything more might be it is white privilege. I just didn't realize it had gone so far that a wish of peace is white privilege. Maybe I just try a simple "hello" next time.

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#12

GModem "hello" works. Hey MapleLeaf I forgot to mention AGAIN that whole childish Master of Kings move you shot trying to see if any of the brother's would make negative comments about Zapdam by saying " I didn't like that Zapdam anyway" you said this about YOURSELF! How manipulative and psychotically childish. Now I'll wait for the response from your boyfriend Horton.

Brother Kenyatta two more killings this weekend right here in SoCal, as you know. Of all of the links you referenced in your article that one of the CHP beating that women is too much to bear. Where is the proof of a white woman being treated that way by a black cop?

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#13

Quote Ghost

"MapleLeaf I don't recall stating you "owe" me shit white boy," or " You are a goddamned, pasty faced white ass liar MapleLeaf" ," Zapdams pink brothers and sisters " First off whats with the racist slurs, what if i ended my comments to you using 'black boy' any reasonable person would find that offensive, but i guess you being a racist black man couldn't really give a damn, more hypocritical double standards. By the way this same racist abuse you used against 'Stormfront Alice' as you liked to slur her, who i defended, because she was just rightly tired of your racist abuse.

Ghost Quote " When Zapdam was being treated unfairly THE BROTHERS stood up for him," then you went on to rip me a second azzhole and you went on to through a rambling racist rant, suggest that i should be beholding to you and Kenatta, when the truth is Zapdam, is still banned , you did nothing.

Ghost quote "MapleLeaf I don't recall stating you "owe" me shit white boy. Just like you sprouted I'd "slit my children's throats. Ghost the actual quote by you is "I'm no fan of suicide either, but HONOR is a big element of African and Asian societies. It ain't about being a "fan" it's about HONOR. I can tell you that I would take my own life and the lives of my children before I let a white boy take it. Real shit Mapleleaf."

Actually Ghost you're correct you didn't say how how you'd kill yourself and your children, but either slitting their throats or shooting them , dead is dead by your hands which you've threatened. Again this is getting ugly and why you would repeatedly bring that comment front and centre for me to respond to is beyond understanding. Ghost i was playing dirty on that comment, something i'm not proud of, because you're also correct i took it out of context and i know it was never meant to look or sound as it appears. Ghost I won't shrink away from playing hard ball if you insist on it , but i'd prefer to be conciliatory and rational, name calling and racist rants accomplishes nothing.

In one of your more sober, kinder moments Ghost you also stated this "MapleLeaf ain't no doubt. I respect smarts and whatever else you may or may not be you are one smart MF." Ghost i get it, if i were you living in racist cruel America ,i'd be one continually angry SOB black man, but not all 'pasty faced white people' are your enemy, unless you insist on making them your enemy. Ghost lets be friends , we are both better than this, this is all nonsense.

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#14

Zap: I stated that a police officer is 18.5 more likely to be killed by a black man than a police officer is to kill an unarmed black, not 18.5 vrs a white shooting a cop.

Second, the high rate of murders, assaults, and robberies being much higher than whites is not due to overpolicing. It is due to people committing crime. Police react to murders, robberies, and assaults. They don't invent them and randomly take people to jail.

The rate of blacks being arrested and incarcerated will get much nearer that of whites and Asians when they significantly reduce the rates in which they commit crimes.

One in three black men in jail vs one in 17 white men speaks volumes about who is engaged in criminal activity, and the dysfunctional sub-culture that is creating criminals.

Stop the crime, stop the incarceration.

Slave patrols? No way. Just officers reacting to violence and neighborhoods as dangerous to them, as well as the residents, as war zones.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#15

TomDorr

Quote " Zap: I stated that a police officer is 18.5 more likely to be killed by a black man than a police officer is to kill an unarmed black, not 18.5 vrs a white shooting a cop." Tom i don't know quite how anyone came up with those numbers, because that would indicate to me that there are dead cops laying all over America and that just doesn't bare out.

Tom your comment " It is due to people committing crime. Police react to murders, robberies, and assaults. They don't invent them and randomly take people to jail." just doesn't bare out as shown below.

"An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 5 million times since 2002, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own report." Tom on average police used 'stop and frisk' over 80% of all stops on blacks 53% and Latino's 27% .

"The man accused of gunning down nine people inside a historic black church in South Carolina was “polite” and “quiet” while he was in police custody in North Carolina."

"Shelby Police Chief Jeff Ledford told the Charlotte Observer that when (killer) Dylann Roof complained he was hungry, cops went to a nearby Burger King (reward?) and bought the accused mass murderer a meal while he was in custody."

" 38-year-old Terrill Thomas (a black man)was arrested in connection to a shooting and taken to Milwaukee County Jail. Nine days later, he was dead of dehydration. His death has been ruled homicide."

" Milwaukee County Jail is under the jurisdiction of Milwaukee Sheriff David A. Clarke,(a black man) a star in conservative circles after delivering a rousing speech at the Republican National Convention earlier this summer."

"According to inmates, guards allegedly deprived Thomas of water for six days, reported the Journal Sentinel. “If something happens to that man, it’s your fault,” one of the inmates reportedly told guards."

"The Huffington Post has been tracking jail deaths ― more than 800 ― in the year since Sandra Bland died in a Texas jail on July 13, 2015. "

Tom Dorr how's the chance of those cops taking a blackman to Burger King because he was hungry, after arresting him for killing 9 white church goers, better still how's the chance of the black man getting out his car alive on arrest or how's the chance of a white man dying of being deprived of water for 6 days by the jailers while in lock up. America racist to its core.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/white-gunm...

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/man-dies-of-thirst-in-jail-run-by-trump-...

http://data.huffingtonpost.com/2016/jail-deaths

http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#16

Zap: The "18.5" number is a calculation made (not by me, but a professor dealing with police shootings and crime), by dividing the amount of unarmed blacks killed by police against their 19 million in population), and comparing it to the amount of police officers killed by black men, and dividing it among policemen i this country. A rough calculation on my part (not a mathematician) shows this to be accurate, without tons of cops dead in the street.

In terms of stop and frisk, in NYC, a "high crime neighborhood" was required to allow agressive stop and frisks. The vast majority of those in these high crime neighborhoods were black and hispanic, which bears out the disproportion between whites and blacks stopped. "Innocent" people stopped and frisked were not arrested. Just as "innocent" passengers checked and x-rayed for weapons and bombs in airports are not arrested or detained.

10% of all those stopped and frisked, were breaking the law. That is not a small number. But the greatest benefit of stop and frisk in dangerous neighborhoods was the deterrent effect. Criminals knew that if they brought guns ar other contraband into these neighborhoods their chances of being caught by "stop and frisk" were much greater than before. Thus, the violent crime rate dropped precipitiously in theseneighborhoods. ( Just as random drug and alcohol testing had a great effect on the railroad, not by "catching" abusers, but by deterring those from taking drugs. (The "positive" rate for railroaders in D&A testing is less than 1% for railroaders, but the deterrent effect is much greater.

The case of dehydration death you mentioned is disturbing. However, this does not support, in any way, the purported "huntring down and assassination " of blacks that the blogger claims. I always wait until facts come in to make judgements. Dylann Roof, to my understanding, is still in jail for murder. Why guards allegedly denied water to an inmate is beyond me, but until the facts come out, it is interesting to note that Clarke is an African American. Would be interesting to see if these guards were all white.

It is unfair, I believe, to say America is "racist to its core". The news media likes to exaggerate stories and create a narrative of both races being at each other's throats, when that is not the case. Our "if it bleeds, it leads" media, when viewed by those from other countries, certainly shows a different light than reality. Also, lots of people make money off of the "concept" or racism, and thus further the controversy.

Its ashame we can't have an exchange program where I would live in Canada for six months and you could live in my mixed, middle class neighborhood for six months. We would both probably see where each other was coming from.

Thanks for the provoking dialog. I am never one to waste time preaching to the choir.

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#17

Zap: Why are you catching so much personal flack? I recognize that you are abrasive (so am I ), and can be annoying (as all Canadians are), ( chuckle"), but undeserved character attacks to me don't further dialog. We don't agree on many things, but I respect you and your opinions, and it has given me a much better sense of perspective. I also find this "white boy" and "pink person" stuff disrespectful, but I consider the source. If I was to use similar terminology to them, they would probably go ballistic.

Keep doing what you are doing. I am reading your last blogs and will probably have positive responses.

Peace

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#18

MapleLeaf you can call me whatever you feel like calling me after all you are responding to little more than a nick-name. Besides you have already used the word "niggas" several times.

This is the internet MapleLeaf, as Brother Kenyatta has mentioned many times "a cowards haven" as well as a refuge for liars. That's why your "owe" comment was so incredibly weird. You don't "know me" and you don't "owe" me. If you did owe me a debt, you best believe I would collect on that debt. Just like if you insulted me in person, the outcome would be different than you doing it here. The fact of the matter is I can't reach out and touch you anymore than you can me so it's all highly irrelevant after a point.

I find that many more people tend to agree with the message Kenyatta is trying to put forth than disagree. But at the end of the day, none of us really give a shit whether you white boys agree with the truth or not, As for the female you mentioned and declared "she's not a racist" do you even know her real name? Have you ever spoken to her? Do you know where she lives? You don't know shit Mapleleaf, she is a white woman and that;s enough for you to go to bat for her and make a complete ass out of yourself. As for your boyfriend Horton talking about "character attacks" I guess he failed to read some of your own comments to his sorry bi-polar, old racist ass.

So whats the difference, white boy?

Don't bother. All you need to know is that what you thought was exclusively yours.......AIN'T. Talk that "hardball" shit....bring it whiteboy. Ball in your court and you know how we "niggas" like basketball.

Punk.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#19

Ghost you just called me a "punk" and being 70 i take that as a compliment, after all the dictionary defines punk as someone who is young , rebellious, belonging to a counter culture group, even punk rock, which 35 years ago was big in my life. Perhaps you see me as young in spirit, current , topical in my thinking , either way thank you again and oh ya thank you for your great compliment in which you stated , "MapleLeaf ain't no doubt. I respect smarts and whatever else you may or may not (even a punk) you are one smart MF." ;-)

punk (pŭngk)►

  • n.Slang A young person, especially a member of a rebellious counterculture group.
  • n.Slang An inexperienced young man.
  • n.Music Punk rock.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#20

TomDorr

I can truly see where you're coming from, your comments on disproportional black crime in America, especially the violence, much is meted out against their own people, but even then i am conflicted, The appropriate question is why.

Perhaps this disproportional societal crime wave you talk of being real or not real could no doubt be the result of hundreds years of being chained , then 'freed' and being pegged a lesser people by the white racist society they were born into, a white society that hold these people in contempt for wanting to be truly equal and free. Of course crippling poverty, high unemployment comes part and parcel with elevated crime, especially when you are a shunned minority in a racist dominent society. even FDR Americas most liberal leader, said 'a poor man cannot be a free man', his exact quote "Necessitous men are not free men.". As a result in the eyes of white racist America these blacks are heretics against all that is good and true in white civilization and must endure a lifetime of shunning, shame, resistance and punishment for daring to try to elevate themselves to that of being equal.

Besides the hundreds of years of slavery, the slave patrols, the lynchings, the White House being built by slave labor, your national anthem written by a devout racist, 12 of your presidents owning slaves, your very constitution stated the blackman was considered 3/5th's a human.

The Three-Fifths Compromise, is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution, which reads:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#21

MapleLeaf you might be part of a rebellious counter culture but "inexperienced" won't fly. Especially at 70.

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#22

Zap: The question of "why: is certainly another topic for debate. However, in responding to the blogger's screed that police are assassinating and hunting down blacks as if they were some type of slave patrol, is what I was responding to.

In response, briefly, to your last comment; having children before on is economically, educational, emotionally, and without a partner who gives any indication of wanting to "stick around' is not only incredibly irresponsible, it hurts the prospect of the children. The greatest predictor of success or failure in this country is not race, gender, or religion. It is family structure. Married families and their children are far, far more apt to be economically successful, and their children are far, far more apt to be successful academically. Decades of study have shown that black males without fathers living at home are much more likely to be involved in the criminal justice system, and abusive in their relationships with women.

But I digress. My response to the original " I'm the law, Ni...." was to just statistically show the blogger he was once again full of angry hot air.

As for the Nat Ghost response, I don't remember you attacking my character. But in his little world, I guess character attack means disagreeing with one's opinion.

They are a comical and entertaining bunch, as long as they are not taken siriously.

Did you read the latest from the "Melanic Nation" website? Neither did I. Evidently neither did anyone. ( Chuckle, chuckle.)

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#23

Gmodem:Don't worry about the responses. Angry sock puppets for racist, angry screeds don't understand peace or serenity. They just do the bidding of their master.

"Ghost" and the other usual suspects don't blog, ot do anything but attack anyone who does not agree 100% with the rantings of Kenyatta.

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gmodem 1 year 28 weeks ago
#24

Thanks Tom, I get it. I've been reading through these comments for quite a while, certainly long enough to see what you describe. Hard to take them too seriously when they even target Zap, not sure there are too many people as patient or kind as Zap. Well that and I'm not entirely sure the number of user profiles is equal to the number of people writing these angry things. What I do know is that these comment sections rarely have much to do with the original post and they are far from productive.

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Bodhisattva 1 year 28 weeks ago
#25
Quote TomDorr:

In response, briefly, to your last comment; having children before on is economically, educational, emotionally, and without a partner who gives any indication of wanting to "stick around' is not only incredibly irresponsible, it hurts the prospect of the children. academically. Decades of study have shown that black males without fathers living at home are much more likely to be involved in the criminal justice system, and abusive in their relationships with women...

They are a comical and entertaining bunch, as long as they are not taken siriously.

Once again Tom Doricott, Tom Dorr a.k.a. Horton, you brag about your ignorance to the world. Having children before "on" is. Uh, huh.

"as long as they are not taken siriously.

SIRIOUSLY?

Oh, and that would be "education(ally)" idiot.

"Decades of study have shown that black males without fathers living at home are much more likely to be involved in the criminal justice system, and abusive in their relationships with women". Where is your evidence of the "decades of study"? Where are your links, citations and references? Do "fatherless" white children fair any better? And if so, why is that?

I call bullshit!

Kenyatta has publicly time after time challenged your bonafides and that of your children. Why haven''t you taken him up on that challenge? Why do you repeatedly duck you sexist, racist pig?

You like to minimize "small microphone", "small audience", "tiny world" etc. But I have referred you to a source that would help you with your "tiny world" before

https://www.pegym.com/articles/small_penis

Again you are relegated to responding in Kenyatta's wake. In the year or so that I have been listening and watching Thom's show, I have heard a lot of people praise and refer to Mr. Kenyatta. I've been reading his blogs for about that same time. I have never heard anyone refer to you and you haven't written or posted anything that I can see. I guess given what I imagine your lifestyle is at least he gives you something to do. You talk about who does and doesn't blog, but I don't see anything you have written of any consequence when I search your fake name. Why is that? Look at how many times this article has been shared and that becomes exponential. How many times has anyone gave a damn about anything you have written?

You refer to anyone that agrees with Kenyatta as a "sock puppet", but you disagree with everything he presents. He could post a blank page and you would have something negative to say. So how is that different from the those that support his thinking? If I'm a sock puppet, you would be used toilet paper. The man speaks the truth and you can't handle the truth.

The guy that wrote this post is Black, he also has some experience in law-enforcement. Yet here you are not black, telling black people what they should and should not be doing and how they should and should not be feeling. Do you realize how stupid you look? And it is clear that you have never worn a uniform of any type not even a boy scout one. You have never served your country and you probably have never done anything else besides being a racist, a sexist and as NTG rightfully points out......A COWARD. As a white woman I can speak to the cowardice of many white men.

You make racist, sexist statements just like your mentor Donald J. Trump, who is actually a HUMP. In fact as someone else stated once before your talking points come straight from Trump.

According to what I have read and heard on Thom's show, Kenyatta is a single parent that has raised his child from birth alone with a child that is quite accomplished (and he seems to be more than willing to prove it unlike you). How does that match up to your "fatherless" black children" theory?

Most mass murderers are white males.

http://www.vice.com/read/why-are-so-many-mass-shootings-committed-by-you...

Most pedophiles are white males. How does this effect your "crime" rhetoric? White men target schools, children, movie theaters and churches. How often do black men do such things?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1539465-whit...

Most rapists are white males

https://sapac.umich.edu/article/196

Most serial killers are white males.

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf

Most incest and beastiality crimes are committed by white males

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T3B64IA0J0VTTFS39

I can think of no worse crimes than molesting children, fucking your relatives and horses, raping women (or men) and shooting up public spaces. The data suggests that whites, men in particular, committ crimes for the sheer thrill of it or some type of bloodlust devoid of economic stress, whereas most crimes committed by blacks are mostly driven by economics.

You are pathetic and you are a disgrace to every human being in the United States, especially the white ones. You not only have problems with spelling, you have problems with grammar, syntax and semantics. You suck. And every time you show your illiterate sexist racist pig of a person on these threads I will be lock step with everyone else kicking your dumb white trash ass.

You guys have the floor, I'm done with this piece of shit. He has been thoroughly exposed for the illiterate, racist, sexist asshole he is.

Zenbrarian you are correct, any articulate black man that has ever shown up is ridiculed if not outright murdered. Kudos to you for having the ovaries to say it! And Gmodem you are right that theses comments have "little to do" with what is posted. Why? Because trolls like your pal Horton never address the issues they are too busy piling on a black man that has the audacity to confront them and the skills to do it with.

Kenyatta don't be daunted by these racist, sexist morons KEEP IT UP!

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#26

Funny you should post this Bodhisattva , i've many times noticed the same thing, that the evil black man despite a lifetime of badgering ,harrasment and mistreatment proporationally never go psycho, seem to hold their collective shit together quite well as a community. They aren't the boggieman that the white population and media try to constantly portray them as.

Trigger happy?

" In short – very rare. Police officers in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13."

Germany with 800,000 blacks in the population, there were a total of 7 fatal police shootings in 2014 , blacks were a very small minority of those 7 killed.

There are 2 million blacks in England and Wales, 800,000 in Germany , so the US stereo type that its the black culture of crime and violence that brings this death by cop upon the black community and is very likely deserved ,doesn't hold water.

http://www.channel4.com/news/police-fatal-shooting-trigger-happy-fact-check

Many factors are involved , the number one of course is hard core racism that permeates every sector of US society. Number two America's police culture is racist to the core, unprofessional , poorly trained in public interaction and they literaly get away with murder most if not all of the time. Then add Americas gun culture, 300 million guns that make even a good cop perhaps trigger happy and nervous. In fact i'd go so far as to label police as 'gangs' , legalized hoodlums in the United States who work for white society.

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Bodhisattva 1 year 28 weeks ago
#27

Thank you Zapdam. I am a victim of incest from a close relative, repeatedly victimized by him as a very young child. He was white he wasn't black. There is nothing a black man or woman could do to me that could have affected my life more. What this idiot Horton fails to realize is that we are all shaped by our experiences, and the experiences that BLACK people have in the United States have not been good. Only a complete fool would argue differently. I don't know what Kenyatta's experiences have been other than what he has written, but I would bet dollars to pennies that he is shaped by them and that's pretty obvious. Just like you and I are. For anyone to make light of that or dismiss it necessarily impeaches their credibility and makes them an ass. It's like some guy telling me about my period. You never had one WTF do you know about it? Whites know very little about the black experience other than the stereotyped bullshit they get fed from the white male dominated media. They don't have to interact with black people for the most part. But blacks HAVE to interact with white people and they know what that experience is and what is has been for centuries.

Like Kenyatta and NTG I live in California. Having said that you might like to read this because it addresses exactly what you point out. The JOB (Jump Out Boys) terrorized black communities for years. Few people know about it and there are more groups like them across the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/jump-out-boys-gang_n_1440998.ht...

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 28 weeks ago
#28

Bravo Bodhisattva! I'm one of the folks that shared this blog and you are right that once it's shared there's no way to know how many more times it's been shared. 10 shares could translate to thousands of people. I want to say more about this thread later on, but for now BRAVO! Very, very impressive treatise. It seems like whatever difficulties you have had in your life you have managed to handle them well. It will be interesting to see how "horton" dances around this one. I think he's knee deep in his own doo-doo.

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Bodhisattva 1 year 28 weeks ago
#29

You seem to specialize at playing both ends against the middle Zapdam. Whatever, my statement stands and I stick by it. Anyone that is as racist and sexist as Horton is an idiot.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#30

Bodhisattva you stated " You seem to specialize at playing both ends against the middle Zapdam. Whatever, my statement stands and I stick by it. Anyone that is as racist and sexist as Horton is an idiot." The truth is though, nothing is as simple as black and white, the grey area is the reality.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#31

Bodhisattva, i love reading your posts, most are very informative and add a great deal to the discussion , but i've got an issuewith a comment you said "What this idiot Horton fails to realize is that we are all shaped by our experiences, and the experiences that BLACK people have in the United States have not been good. Only a complete fool would argue differently."

TomDorr and I don't agree much, but TomDorr is no idiot, in fact quite the opposite, he's intelligent and more worldly than most Americans i've been exposed to and i think he's a fair man a heart, that would give anyone due respect if its earned, no matter what his or her color.

This name calling . which i've stupidly been part of , is so counter productive and lessons the effect of each post. When we attack each other, it becomes emotional and personal and all reasoning shuts down as a result. Preaching to the choir or the converted is nice, but the real people you want to make an impresson on are those that don't agree with you, those who have diametrically opposing viewpoints.

' editing these posts is so annoying, because they get out of sequence' and they seem to convey that you always want the last word. so annoying'

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 28 weeks ago
#32

duplicate crazy system.

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 28 weeks ago
#33
Quote zapdam.:

' editing these posts is so annoying, because they get out of sequence' and they seem to convey that you always want the last word. so annoying'

Not buying that one Zapdam, you've done it too many times. In fact you were called on it long ago by someone else.

BOD I'm going with"idiot". I also agree with your analysis of Zapdam. I have read these threads by Kenyatta and Zapdam seems torn between his whiteness and desire for acceptance from white people and what he really believes is right. Others have demonstrated how manipulative certain people are here including Zapdam. He and Dorricott are expert at avoiding certain things. AS a matter of fact, I think the Canadian Zapdam is more racist than anyone else because he seems to think that it's okay for him as a "white boy" to speak on how angry African Americans should be but he is spiteful of actual black people who present the same sentiment. That is something I have observed on several occasions. Seems a little fake to me.

That leads me to the real points I wanted to express earlier but was unable to. I noticed that most of the "character attacks" on Kenyatta's threads come from one source. This is typical of internet trolls:

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into anemotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Notice how often Tom Dorricott uses the word "amusement" in his "screeds".

If a person has any semblance of intelligence they will see that the author raises several querstions and challenges. None of them are responded to. Here is an example." whilst you sit back and make excuses every time this happens such as “he should have complied with police”, ”she had marijuana in her system”, “he stole some cigars”, “it looked like a real gun (forget it was a 12 year old)”, etc. please provide me with examples of the same thing happening in reverse perpetrated upon you by black police officers…or any police officerson a regular basis. " There was no answer aside from hoping "you find peace".

"Also, please give me instances when officer to officer radio transmissions referred to “trailer trash”, “crackers”, “honkies”, “inbreds”, “Neanderthals” etc. as did LAPD officers referring to Black People in America as “Gorilla’s in the Mist”.No answer.

"instances of black police officers that use COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPUTERS to send e-mails like these to one another: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/02/us/los-angeles-sheriff-chief-tom-angel-racist-emails/" No reponse.

"...please provide me an example where an entire police department usesWHITE boys as targets on the gun range…or Asians, or Latinos, or Arabs, or Native Americans. Please do so (and don’t come up with some three legged dog that represents an anomaly, for this is a regular theme in terms of law-enforcement and Black People in America). No reponse.

Not one of the specific challenges Kenyatta presents is addressed. The really sad thing is that most of us (white people) are too full of ourselves to realize the fluff. Trolls divert the conversation and launch personal attacks then less than genuine white people follow suit. So I ask where is any one of Kenyatta's challenges or questions IN THIS POST answered? None. Other than personal attacks, NONE.

We are not all stupid Mr. Kenyatta. I have told you this before. Thom Hartmann's audience for the most part is almost entirely white and much older than you. However that doesn't make us all stupid racists. Frankly I take exception to your inference although I can understand it. Just know you have many allies. Intelligence and education are truly color blind. Nor are we all cowards afraid to give up white privilege for the sake of fairness and decency. I am alive for the umpteenth time because black men saved my life. I will never say more about it than that.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#34

Mzungu.3000 'super sleuth' lol.

Aren't you just full of yourself.

CSI.Mzungu.3000 -lol

You're hilarious 'monsieur detective', kind of a bumbling 'pink panther' ' Inspector Clouseau'

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#35

Mzungu MapleLeaf is an instigator. I think this site is his life. You called it right. You'll notice he swings violently from one position to the other such as his comment about a "hatefest" yet he is the main participant. Him and his boyfriend Horton. I haven't seen where brother Kenyatta has used the word "hate" anywhere unless referring to the white man's hatred for the black man. But a lot of whites feel that anytime a black man speaks the truth to them that it's "hate" and so what if it is? Somebody else said this site is "useless". I agree.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#36

'Mzungu MapleLeaf is an instigator. I think this site is his life.' Lol, Ghost, ever heard of a smart phone, I use an Alcatel Idol 3 ,its cheap by iPhone standards, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rEh_uWOJOoA ,its easy to carry, you're connected to the web, it takes a few seconds check your favorite web sites and just a few to comment, so the idea that my ass is tethered to Toms wed site is childish school yard nonsense. I seem to see your ass here a lot ,are you accusing yourself of 'this being your life'. As for being a shit disturber, I take great delight in getting arousals out people like you. Mission accomplished.

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#37

Yeah white boy, but here's the difference you plagiarizing asswipe. I know Kenyatta personally and I have for 45 years. I guess my 4 or 5 comments on this post equals your 10. I told you before you old ass punk your courage is limited to the internet, I don't care how much Kenyatta respects you MF I don't. You wishy washy poot butt. Hide your dumbass in Canada constantly talking shit about the U.S. when Canada has it's own history of racism.It's me and you now.

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zapdam. 1 year 28 weeks ago
#38

Ghost Besides a racist you're showing us all you're nothing but a middle aged bully and at your age ,since you like to refer to age, you should be ashamed of yourself .

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 28 weeks ago
#39

I wish I could be a "racist" but that's impossible white boy. A concept you are too stupid to understand. And I'd much rather be thought a "bully" than be a CONFIRMED PLAGIARIST, COWARD, CHILDISH INSTIGATOR and LIAR. You are the MF that should be ashamed. Poot butt. And an ancient one at that. Now go take your enema so you can clear out some of that bullshit you're full of.

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TomDorr 1 year 28 weeks ago
#40

Zap: I've decided to take the personal attacks with a grain of salt, although they are amusing and show how thin skinned and defensive Kenyatta and his lminions are.

I agree that responding to childish personal attacks is a waste of time, so I'll just read and chuckle.

rs allen 1 year 27 weeks ago
#41

quote zap; "TomDorr and I don't agree much, but TomDorr is no idiot, in fact quite the opposite, he's intelligent and more worldly than most Americans i've been exposed to and i think he's a fair man a heart, that would give anyone due respect if its earned, no matter what his or her color." unquote.

You must have meant that as a laugh line zap. Well at any rate it got a chuckle from me. It was very funny. Did you happen to catch his last post before he edited it down to two sentences (umm Fri. night I think)? For those that didn't, the rant contained all the buzz words and phrases one would expect from a true Storm Front trooper about 'self-hating whites' to how the white are so oppressed and marginalized today even though they are obviously so superior. I would have captured it so I could quote it if I'd thought at the time he didn't have the balls to keep it here for all to see. That's your worldly and intelligent new friend in a nut shell zap.

So zap now you've found yourself facing a few of us brothers you don't consider the 'right kind' of black. Let me ask you, what the f'k do you know about racism? What makes you the authority on what is racist? This isn't some intellectual exercise of you and a few frat boys tossing around talk at the camp fire while passing a blunt and watching the empty beer bottles melt in the embers. This is the real shit. So don't give us any of that hurt feelings crap, decide who you're going to dance with.

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TomDorr 1 year 27 weeks ago
#42

rs. allen: This site and these posts are not the "real thing". Aside from (what should be) an exchange of ideas, and "point-counterpoint" between bloggers, there is nothing that goes on here that has any real impact. Anonymity, while it helps expression, can also lead to "e-world warriors" who actually attack others for posting views or responses they don't agree with, and can't counter.

That is why I truncated my last post. Responding to Bhoddisatvah and Mzungu in a personal way does nothing to improve the dialogue on the issues.

This is, "in a nutshell", entertainment. It is not "real". And while reading angry responses that demand responders and bloggers "take one side or the other" is amusing and instructive, it will not "move the needle" in terms of actions in the real world.

This is why I decided not to get drawn, anymore, to responding to emotional attacks from "e-warriors" of questionable origin.

It was amusing, but a waste of time and counter-productive to real discussions on today's issues.

I will, however, continue to blog and respond to blogs, as it fun as intellectual exercise, and one can actually learn things, if they don't "take sides".

Peace

rs allen 1 year 27 weeks ago
#43

Be this 'real' or not, we all (most of us) write from experience and not as some form of intellectual exercise.

Further, you put forth diametrically opposed views in your last post, first you say there's nothing to be gained here and then say one can learn something then you say if no sides are taken. Make up your mind, you're either learning or not. For your edification here is the definition of learning;

learnlərn/verb

  1. 1. gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught."they'd started learning French"synonyms:acquire a knowledge of, acquire skill in, become competent in, become proficient in, grasp, master, take in, absorb, assimilate, digest, familiarize oneself with; More

You have been nothing BUT derisive in any of your posts toward any of us so don't try any of the 'oh I'm so reasonable' shit. You are what you are........own it.

Now again storm trooper, I don't remember addressing you. Why do you continue to address me directly?

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TomDorr 1 year 27 weeks ago
#44

r.s I'don't remember saying there is nothing to "gain here" from commenting and responding to issues. I have learned alot from Zap in terms of perception of the US, and the economic problems and challenges that confront the US, Canada, and the world. I have also learned, in research for my responses, (especially to Kenyatta and Zap), how family structure predicts success, more than race, gender, religion, etc., and how Black and African immigrants thrive in this country, and because of their culture and values, outperform many African Americans economically. . I also learned that unjustified rage apparently fuels the discussion on race by those who think the past has not been improved in the present, and how virulent the attacks can be on those who have different opinions. I also have my own life experiences I draw from, which have shown me how things have changed for the better, and how things have not. When discussing race, if anyone discounts whites as a monolitihic bloc that uses "white privelege" to keep blacks from succeeding, I will use my experiences to counter. They are just as valid.

One should not summarily reject anothers experience. However, this experience does not allow one to misrepresent reality, or engage in hyperbolic screeds that do not represent reality.

If I have been derisive in my posts, it is in response to the derision and absolute contempt shown for the "pink people" and "white boys" by angry posters and bloggers, and particularly the contempt shown by Kenyatta, who has even admitted that "as a rule" he does not like white people.

I address you directly because you mention me in your comments to others. Your last response definitely mentions me, so I will address you directly this time, or any time I feel appropriate.

I react to blogs in the same tone in which they are written. But I will not waste any more time with the insults and nauseating discussions as to whose "side" one was on, as if this were some important team event.

Something can be entertaining, and amusing, and also educational, even if it has no real importance in changing policy in the big, real world. Like this site. And particularly the blogs.

I enjoy point: counterpoint, and have and will also agree on issues when I see points that can be agreed upon. I always find the insults amusing, as I recognize ad hominem attacks prove the inability to refute arguments.

I hope you can find peace.

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Bodhisattva 1 year 27 weeks ago
#45

RSAllen, you are right on. Horton as described by Mzungu is a troll. And a racist/sexist one at that. He seems unable to keep up with the crap that eminates from his mouth (keyboard). He defended Donald Trump referring to Rosie O'Donnel as "a pig of a woman" and even repeated it and said he would say the same thing. He spoke of "bitches with eight tits" and I asked him to keep his mother out of these discussions. Zapdam on the other hand, feels like he is best qualified to speak about black people but he only calls the few of you blacks that are here names, while he kisses Horton's ass and has NEVER called him a name. Zapdam is an out and out liar and he is just as racist as white people in the United States. I reached out to Mr. Kenyatta and I was fortunate enough to have him respond and I think he may address the issue of white racism across borders at some point. Horton says this "is not the real world" but has said time after time that Kenyatta's writings are not representative of "the real world" and "I live in the real world". I guess that's why he hides behind several different handles. The poster uses his real name, we know who he is and he walks the talk as far as I can see. Where he is coming from has been pretty consistent in his conversations with Thom and in his writing.

This pathetic person is bi-polar and mildly schizo. Like I said, whatever Kenyatta's, yours, NTG and other black people experiences have been has shaped them, just like mine have shaped me. Who the hell is Horton to say what is "unjustified" and "unwarranted" when he does not know what the experiences are of whomever is speaking? That in itself proves him to be an idiot. For Zapdam to call him "intelligent" and "wordly" only speaks to Zapdam's stupidity as I am sure that he has never met Horton. So how does he come up with these proclamations? You and I both know. And they are both too stupid, yes stupid to realize that they are revealing that they are not very bright. A week ago Zapdam wrote this (post #8) "There you go another comment to keep this post alive, a lifeline for a post that seems to be going no where". Yet, here we are almost two weeks later and Kenyatta's post is still being read and commented on. How's that again Zapdam? I've seen some written by him that have been on the board for over a month and THAT'S what I think really irks Zapdam and Horton. Kenyatta is not cutting and pasting and plagiarizing, this stuff comes from that black man's brain. Too much for some of the "tiny world" to handle, it shakes them up in ways they are not used to.

I sure wish I could have seen the post you referred to from Horton. The fact that he retracted "truncated" it proves him to be what everyone else has leveled and that's a fucking coward as are most old, white male sexist racist pigs. He's just like his idol Donald Trump. And by the way, anyone that is a regular watcher of Thom's program knows he himself calls himself a "clueless white boy" and has often spoken about his conversations with Dick Gregory and how Gregory referred to white people as being "pink people" which many of us ARE, just like many black people are in fact "brown". And finally, just to show you how much of a coward Horton is, you'll notice I laid his butt out in my post #25 and he can't refute anthing that I presented. Both of these guys are old fuddie duddies and they are two of a kind. Both of them completely full of shit exactly as the poster states----some turds float, some turds sink it's still shit in the end. Nice one NTG about the enema! Hope he took it and passed the bag used or not to Horton. Chuckle at that asshole.

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TomDorr 1 year 27 weeks ago
#46

Bodhisatvah:

Will only comment on your criticism of the word "bitch" remark.

As you will see if you take the time to read it iver, I was referring to a female dog, which in animal husbandy is known as a "bitch". And its young suckle on her "teats".

Has nothing to do with women. If you notice, I don't use alot of profanity, especially compared with others on this blog.

Thank you for sharing your history. The evident psychological damage has obviously led your formation of your opinion of white males. If throwing all these insults is therapeutic to you, I hope it helps in your recovery.

I hope you find peace.

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NatTurnersGhost 1 year 27 weeks ago
#47

So Horton, you and Gmodem hope we po black folks "find peace". Seems like you are just like your boyfriend Zapdam in that you can't muster any original thought and must rely on parroting the thoughts and sayings of others. You pathetic COWARD. That "coward" tag is sticking to you white boy. I'd like to find peace...,,if you show up at Gold's gym in Santa Monica and put on some gloves I'll take me a "piece". Like I said before HORTON even the girls are kickin yo dumb troll of an ass.

Bodhisattva your posts are pretty impressive. You and a few other white people here send a powerful message. Good for you Miss.

Brother AL! Damn where you been bro? Kenyatta and I were getting worried. You ought to let us know when you are going on vacation. We were talking about that this weekend as well as Brother Foe who just disappeared into thin air. I think a lot of brothers and sisters are taken for a loop to see that this site is as full of white racists as it is since Hartmann is so "progressive" and just say screw it and I been at that point. That tells us a lot as black people....but nothing new. Not a damned thing new. The only people fooling themselves are white folks. All brothers and sisters know what time it is, but most of us are too intimidated to put it down like my big bro does 'cause he really don't give a rat's ass and I don't either. White folks are fascinated and intimidated by NWA. If these MF's can't handle the smell of their own shit I suggest euthanasia. That brother earned his stripes a long time ago and white folks can't touch him and I am proud to know him and have him as my very best friend. Ain't nobody trying to recruit you whities and sing songs "around the campfire" we are here to put something on yo mind and looks like we be successful.

Power to the people.

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TomDorr 1 year 27 weeks ago
#48

Nat: It appears your unjustified rage is so intense you now want me to go to your Gym and engage in fisticuffs. How sad. Rage and envy only harm the enraged and envious; not the targets of rage and envy. I really don't care how you feel about me, as you are not a blip on my radar. Amusing, but not substantive.

I live a very happy and content life, and enjoy my existence. I do not have any rage, justified or not, against anyone. Nor do I envy anyone.

It's unfortunate you are either unable or unwilling to reach the same state of existence.

You seem angry. I hope you find peace.

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 27 weeks ago
#49

A black man or woman "seems angry"..."seems upset". Good god how stupid can you guys be? You "seem" to really be trying hard to convince everyone of how "happy and content" you are....hmmmmmm. And I'm Vladimir Putin. And yes you are envious and it is more than obvious and I'm not the only person that has mentioned that fact.

I am not a "self hating" white person as mr. Allen suggests you wrote but then in a typical cowardly fashion removed your post. I don't have to be self hating to realize that what white people have done to native Americans and especially black people is not right and as a group we perpetuate our crimes against them. If you are so happy and content it is because you actually don't live in THE REAL WORLD but a fantasy world like many white Americans. You quoted Kenyatta as saying that he "as a rule" he does not like white people. What reason historically or otherwise would he have to do so? Especially with representatives like you? I notice that you haven't addressed any of the issues of this post, or challenges presented to you by a number of people. Not Bodhisattva, not the poster, not me....no one. All you have done is what you always do and that is lie, deny and attack. Like I said before, you are the poster child TROLL, but you have been exposed and handily defeated. Zapdam is a complete fool referring to ou as "intelligent and worldly". Both of you are lonely, bored and decrepit racists and all the keyboard strokes in the world won't change the facts.

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on theInternet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into anemotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

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Mzungu.3000 1 year 27 weeks ago
#50

'Anger" and "happiness" are not mutually exclusive. And the black man NTG is not alone in his "rage" as far as people like you. Funny how you, undoubtedly a result of white privilege feel like you can characterize people and that somehow it has validity. Can you show me a post whrere NTG has talked about "rage"?

No matter...what I really wanted to do is share a blog written by a man named Ken Carmen from October 4, 2016 who posts here from time to time. As soon as I read it I thought of you. I have added bold print for emphasis but the entire article is well worth reading and I have pasted it in its entirety. Had I not known any better I would have sweared he was talking about you specifically.

I hope you find reality and logic. probably too late for brains. Much too late.

Quote ken carman:

It would seem a simple concept, and I suspect those who push it know that. They just have the mistaken, rather simplistic, idea that those they disagree with must be simpletons. Which of course is a conceptualization worthy of a simpleton, but now we've come around full circle, haven't we?
 "Yes, smart people of all ideological flavors too often view those who disagree with them in simplistic ways," saith the cannibal with a boiling pot full of partisan nuts.
 The show: Thom Hartmann.
 The caller was challenging Thom on his claim about a lack of Iraqi WMDs. He... claimed... to have been to Iraq. He... claimed... to have been there when massive amounts of WMDs were found. When Thom balked at that the caller bounced with a tactic I have encountered many, many times on debate sites and Facebook...

  "I offered you 'proof,' why won't you accept that?"

 Thom, the almost always eternal gentleman... hey, there's limits to everything when dealing with rude, nasty people using cheap tactics: especially if they may just be lying... simply said, no, he didn't, and even tried to walk his way rhetorically around the caller's claim. Not being a talk show host, I have no such personal limitations.
 Straight off: the caller offered no "proof." I would say "anecdotal evidence," but it's not even that. Callers and posters are, often, anonymous. We have little, to no, evidence they are who they claim to be: especially if they use what ham ops, then CB, called a "handle." What they provide in such cases are claims: "claims" we have no way to verify, especially in that fast moving on air, or online, stage production called debate.
 One must note: except a shell filled with aged mustard gas we knew he had and was on the list, there was no parading of said "proof" by Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rummy, etc. of said proof. You bloody well know they would have dragged this out in the full light of the press, especially having access to that right wing free BJ media machine called FOX. If anything of such significance had been found the Bushies never were shy about such.
 I've experienced this so many times before. The debater thinks he... and while occasionally a "she," most often it seems to be a "he..." has an easy way to "one up" who they are having a discussion with. One specific case was a poster named Daniel on a friend's Facebook page. The debate was about provisional ballots, which I called placebo votes. Apparently he wasn't fond of that usage so one of the first comments out of his digital mouth was a personal insult, that I didn't understand simple math, then made the claim they were counted if the election was close.
 Daniel was not happy when I responded with a barrage of questions, questions like: what evidence does he have this was ever done? ...in every district, at every polling place? ...and if they really do this then doesn't this negate the very claim that these voters shouldn't be voting at all?
Of course we went right back to insult city, and more claims that he claimed were proof, all decorated by more insults because he knew better than me since he had worked elections, and with election officials. Essentially I was to consider myself his inferior and I should just bow down to my lord and master.
Chuckle. OK, he didn't exactly say that, though one might infer. But that would be just another "claim."
 What Daniel didn't know is I too have worked elections, and worked with election officials. Having worked against electronic voting, I have also experienced the machines in both Tennessee and New York. Through research, talking with those who speak and educate on the topic, as well as personal experience, I know there's a world of difference between the various voting systems and how they are counted.Help America Vote created an even worse system when it comes to equal protection of the vote. In Nashville it's all on a cartridge that poll workers have no access to, and in some cases, nationwide, votes put on a hard drive or a cartridge, go straight back to the politically connected corporation. Or they get sent to servers in places like Tennessee to be laundered... um, "corrected," then counted. Amazing how machine break downs seem to happen at such convenient times.
 Do you think I too am "making claims?" Stay tuned, gentle readers!
 Another claim made, followed by another insult, was basically that the only ones who got provisionals were those who had no proof they had a right to vote. Of course I knew that was a crock too. Especially in districts where one side wasn't likely to win, politically connected poll watchers have been sent out for years to challenge those who most likely won't vote the "right" way. These poll watchers are often armed with bogus lists, like the ones culled from Texas to challenge supposed Florida voters with similar names.
 Whether the voter had ID, or not, therefore means little in such cases. The list provides a bogus claim that in one state: Joe A. Smith, has no right to vote because Joe Q. Smith in another state is a felon. Names changed, or not mentioned, to protect, um, those having had their right to vote stolen, and those out to rig the vote in their party's favor. Besides, having met a few of these "folks" they tend to want to stay anonymous so those who find out about their antics don't get the torches, or spread tales regarding their vote stealing activities in case the public gets angry.
 Again I ask, "Do you think I too am 'making claims?'" Yup. And that's the point. I can make claims just like Daniel can. Look into it yourself, and never just accept what anyone says, or... claims.
Finally I tired of Daniel's grautitous, mindless, insults and told him as far as his insults go, in graphic terms, to just go... well, I'll be polite. "Polite" kind of like I wastrying to be with him many times before I finally "released" the well deserved, obscenity "Kraken." Then I attempted to reason one more time with him. Of course I got no response. I doubt his ego let him get beyond the first sentence, or my last: both of which just tossed his insulting nature right back into his digital face.
 But just so you're aware, gentle reader, if you haven't noticed it yet, this is one more cheap tactic being used in an arsenal of BS-based tactics by self righteous partisans who think they're being "clever." You know: like loudly trying to talk over someone when losing an argument, or claiming someone challenging them is "yelling," or "angry." It's mostly crap, and mostly just tactics used to distract you when they know they have a weak argument.
 Just like insisting a claim is "proof."

                                                  

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