from the Fifth Dimension of Politics: Resistance and Revolution

I’ve been talking with Thom Hartmann on FreeSpeechTV about the unfolding pattern of events following the 2016 Election. Never really get to cover everything over the phone so I thought I’d just share my written notes

Nov. 9th PoliticsToDo List: possible steps that the Resistance effort would follow. With any luck, this process should be totally organic.

1) Revolution begins
Witness the protests across the nation

2. Establish the illegitimacy of Trump presidency to justify the protests:
a) Reality Starting point: initially based on the Trump’s loss of the popular vote
b) Promote the proposition that the election was hacked. This could be the great nullifier factor.
Call for investigation of the entire voting process, esp., the discrepancies in the mathematical prediction area as compared to voting results and exit polls.

(3) Deep dive into “Rigging the Election” (will include other forms of rigging: voter suppression, voter roll manipulation, etc.)
The Hacking of an American election - how it happened: did hackers create a small amount of flipped votes -- but in key cities, counties, states.
This would explain why all the major forecasters were so wrong.
The odds that this election was hacked should be computed by the math experts to reveal the mathematical improbabilities of the results of the 2016 Election

(4) Maintain the meme that Trump is an illegitimate President. One way is to compare him to the last Republican President who lost the popular vote: G.W. Bush. Handle this election like the Bush election — when We declared Bush illegitimate and a result of criminal vote fraud and disenfranchisement. And pray that the Republicans don’t do a 9-11 trip on us again, in an effort to legitimize the ConArtist President.

(5) Organic Organization of the Revolution Movement: The establishment of a shadow government in the Internet space we share with the Pentagon; the military calls this Internet space “The 5th Dimension: Information—Cyberspace.” That’s our Internet space, the one we are occupying right now. It’s the military’s fifth domain or dimension of operation: (1) land, (2) sea, (3) air, (4) space and (5) Cyberspace. The “shadow government” would be set up in the usual way, duplicating the actual government. It is cyberspace based — in a “cloud.”

(6) Politically, organize on a combat footing - in cyberspace, like the military — but without the destructive hardware. We are already part of a cyberspace war being fought by the US against several entities. Let’s take command of our part of it at our level. Our adversaries have just scored a major victory by hacking our election on several levels. We must pursue a way to defend ourselves against cyber attacks that effect the actual core of our democracy, like our right to vote.

Of course, we intend to stay within legal guidelines and to observe the law of the land.


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Dianereynolds 2 years 50 weeks ago

Great idea. Let's do everything we bitched about the republicans doing over the last eight years.

Good luck with all that.

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rickelis 2 years 50 weeks ago

I'd avoid using sweeping generalities -- too many exceptions can be found. And I doubt that the Republicans could come up with such a strategy let alone put it into action -- especially the latter steps.

Although.. the Republicans may just have had a shadow government behind them, pulling the strings, controlling the power lines. Arranging the winning hacks. That would be the corporate entities like the Koch network -- something like the invisible government Teddy Roosevelt warned us about.

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TomDorr 2 years 50 weeks ago

Rickelis: Wouldn't it have been easier to just convince the 100,000,000 who didn't vote to do their civic duty?

With all do respect, your plan sounds more Dungeons and Dragons than a realistic plan.

Trump will be sworn in on January, as the President.

Work, conventionally, for voters in the next election.

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bobcix 2 years 50 weeks ago

One way to protest against the position of the Republicans to restrict action on nominations to the supreme court (the Biden rule) is to impose the Section 3 Claukse 5 of the Constitution which states that when either house of Congress does nokt have a quourum, the only business that can come up is either (1) to adjourn, or (2) to issue requkests to attendance (in effect a sukb poena to require attendance) and business could not continue until a quorum of members was present. This is not a filibuster so it cannkot be overrukled by the leader if called for by any member objecting to the proposed business before the chamber. This could be used on committee meetings or hearing when a qwuorum of the committee is not present, the House or the Senate when a quorum is not present. When a resolution is called to consider a resolution and the chair states "withouit objection", any member can cite the constutin clause referrred to above and object. When a bill or resolution is said to be read to the house or senate (a 20,000 word taxation resolution or the Afordable Care Act), they wouled have to read the entire resolution and the appropriate sectin of the resolution!

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fabricfloozy 2 years 50 weeks ago

Trump just set a bad precedent with Carrier. The CEO's are going to benefit from Trump's bribe. He is not president yet and he is already doing this! He is not fit to be President of the U.S. I signed a pledge at to ask the Electoral College to vote for someone else (preferably Hillary), but the sign ups are slowing down. They have almost 5 million signatures, but they need a total of six million. I felt better by signing, but I don't have much hope.

Legend 2 years 50 weeks ago

The Carrier thing is hilarious. He gives Carrier huge tax cuts to stay. Also rumors of threatening the parent company United Technologies with defense contract cuts. This is Fascism at work. Today he pounds his chest at Carrier in Indiana.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 50 weeks ago

Good on him for making the effort. You libs need to understand why he got elected.

Legend 2 years 50 weeks ago
Quote Dianereynolds:

Good on him for making the effort. You libs need to understand why he got elected.

Except every company will expect the same.

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rickelis 2 years 49 weeks ago

Shadow/Sunshine government

Today, Thom was talking about the ‘crony cabinet’ of the Trump administration. How about a shadow cabinet, like they do in Europe? And our cabinet has a distinct advantage; we have the real President, chosen by the People: Hillary Clinton.

Bill Moyers has a great article at Moyers&Company <[> about a subject Thom and I talked about and I posted in the ThomHartmann blog area as point number (5) of my Nov. 9th PoliticsToDo List: a shadow government. (I’d like to consider it a Sunshine Government.)

Bill is calling on Hillary to announce this formation of a shadow government, in what he calls her Inaugural Address; it would happen a day or two before Trump’s.

Our “shadow government” would be set up in the usual way, duplicating the actual government. It is cyberspace based — in a “cloud.”

We have a distinct advantage that other efforts like this did not have: The Internet, where we can organize and disseminate without the tremendous need for skatillions of dollars that the opposition has at its disposal.

By the way, those opposition entities already have a shadow government behind them, pulling the strings: the Corporate entities like those headed up by the likes of the Koch’s. It's the shadow government Teddy Roosevelt warned us of, when he said: ""Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people."—From the Platform of President Theodore Roosevelt's Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party.

Legend 2 years 49 weeks ago

This is going to be far worse than what Bush W did to this country. Tweet (bombs) away,

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mingram55 2 years 49 weeks ago

I am ready to fight for America but that does not seem to be Trump's America. Make America great again seems to mean " Make America White Again".

Please do not get me wrong here. I do not have any ill feelings to anyone , but I do have a problem for anyone who thinks it should be white again.

I have posted this before. I grew up with "whites only signs." I do not what to see that again.

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rickelis 2 years 49 weeks ago

I know what you mean, min.. my history: sax player since 10; played R'&B' all the way through the development of Rock and Roll, played with Ike&Tina, then Tina as her MD. I had the real privilege of experiencing the most down-to-earth people I ever met. Didn't really realize the situation was what it was -

I'm white, from the Philly area originally, which was pretty civilized compared to the South. But traveling through the South in 1971 was a real eye opener. Civil Rights was still young and disregarded by the older generation.

I felt it. Experienced the prejudice when I brought my Black drummer with me to listen to Sly at the Pussycat a gogo in Vegas - where we had played and packed the house for months around '69. But we ended up being seated in the back of the room. Wow!

No big thing for drummer Billy Ray - he was from Mississippi. That's what he grew up with. He calmed me down - I was irate.

But I got to see it all firsthand. Even feel it. We certainly cannot ever let that happen again.

Coalage1 2 years 48 weeks ago

It's not going to happen again even with Trump in the White House.

Look out...the sky is falling!

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