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Legend 2 years 35 weeks ago
#1

I would add Fox News to that short list. Also any right wing radio. On MSNBC it was only Morning Joe that promoted Trump as extensively. Fox gave Trump billions in free advertising. If you want news try Democracy Now. I think that CNN did more to stick us with Hilary by not covering Bernie or calling him a Socialist. Also heavily done by Chris Mathews on MSNBC.

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zapdam 2 years 34 weeks ago
#2

No more American corporate news for me thank you. I'm now watching only my own Canadian government financed Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) plus the following:

France http://www.france24.com/en/ ( free 24 hours a day live in english)

Russia https://www.rt.com/  (free 24 hours a day live in english)

India http://www.ndtv.com/video/live/channel/ndtv24x7 (free 24 hours a day live in english )

China http://english.cctv.com/live/index.shtml (24 hours a day live in english)

Al Jazeerra http://www.aljazeera.com/live/ (24 hours a day in english)

Europe http://www.euronews.com ( 24 hours da day live in english)

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Dianereynolds 2 years 34 weeks ago
#3

Great! Then you can spend your days complaining about and dictating to India, Russia, France, China, the mid East, and Europe how to run their country. We here in the US will do very nicely without your suggestions thank you very much.

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TomDorr 2 years 34 weeks ago
#4

Boycotting CNN and MSNBC won't have much effect. Hardly anyone watches them now.

Besides, it was not the media that got Trump elected, but a Democratic Party that ignored the mainstream and courted the fringes of our society. That is always a recipe for disaster.

Either the Dems and Libs are going to learn from this self-created debacle or they are going to continue insulting the mainstream "deplorables" and trying to force horrible candidates like Hillary down the electorate's throats.

Don't blame the media, blame the message.

(We will get to see shortly whether the Democrats care more for illegal immigrants than they do American workers and taxpayers by how they deal with immigration reform. Will the Dems support sanctuary cities and DACA and DAPA , and resist deportations and comprehensive e-verify expansion? Or will the Dems support American workers who will find more jobs and higher wages if the illegal worker element is drastically curtailed? You cannot do both.)

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zapdam. 2 years 34 weeks ago
#5

Dianereynolds or whatever your real name is qoute ". We here in the US will do very nicely without your suggestions thank you very much." Your country has become a third world dictorial banana republic,as proved recently by your elections.
You kill each other at an alarming rate, usually by gunfire. You're a selfish bunch, almost to the point of being sociopathic in behavior, you let 35-40 thousand fellow citizens die each year of treatable illness, because of your horrid 'pay to play' health insurance system. Now you've just elected a bunch of right wing establishment stooges, that want to take away seniors pensions.
You're infrastructure is like drump announced it, 3 world. You even poison your own citizens with lead trying to save a buck.
You're detested by most of the world as violent, savage thoughtless bunch who couldn't give a shit if you ruin countries, destroy families and kill over a million people.
You even cheer and make celebrity's out of people like Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, who the world regards as war criminals.
So go f""k off and stick your phoney nationalism up your arse, you right wing troll.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 34 weeks ago
#6

Aren't you happy you don't live here?

We are.

Quote zapdam.:

"DianeReynolds you're one of those 'stupidest fucking electorate on the face of the planet' I keep talking about. The world, civilized Americans and myself are sick of moronic people like you, you're not worth the breath to try and sway you, so Piss off. So go f""k off and stick your phoney nationalism up your arse, you right wing troll."

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zapdam 2 years 34 weeks ago
#7

TomDorr I agree Hillary was the wrong choice by the left wing electorate and it wasn't because of those f^<king emails. She and Bill just had to many questions hanging over their heads as a couple and i know the lefties will tell us that Bill wasn't running she was, but the fact remains she had accumulated a lot of baggage.

The real problem with Hillary was Hillary, she showed very bad judgement in advocating destroying Libya and the brutal murder of Gaddafi. She was vengeful towards both Snowdwen and Assange, both who were risking their lives and freedom to warn the world of an America that was becoming daily more sinister. She was no doubt a hard line warmonger, that certainly is why Russia may have so dead set against her being elected, it was in the own self defense. The continued smoozing with Wall Street and the banksters and topping it off by offering them the ability to carry on if she was elected , if you were to read between the lines. Looking back i find it quite amazing she managed 25% of the electorate and out did Drumpf by 2 million votes.

Having said all that Donald Drumpf is absolutely the most despicable character to every be elected president and that's saying something considering the rogues gallery of racists , crooks and mass murderers that have lived in your White House. truth is Drumpf received less votes than Hillary and barely 25% of the electorate, hardly a triumpth of democracy and certainly not a mandate to carry out some of the most radical decisions and programs in Americas history.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 34 weeks ago
#9
Quote TomDorr:

Boycotting CNN and MSNBC won't have much effect. Hardly anyone watches them now.

Besides, it was not the media that got Trump elected, but a Democratic Party that ignored the mainstream and courted the fringes of our society. That is always a recipe for disaster.

Either the Dems and Libs are going to learn from this self-created debacle or they are going to continue insulting the mainstream "deplorables" and trying to force horrible candidates like Hillary down the electorate's throats.

Don't blame the media, blame the message.

(We will get to see shortly whether the Democrats care more for illegal immigrants than they do American workers and taxpayers by how they deal with immigration reform. Will the Dems support sanctuary cities and DACA and DAPA , and resist deportations and comprehensive e-verify expansion? Or will the Dems support American workers who will find more jobs and higher wages if the illegal worker element is drastically curtailed? You cannot do both.)

Excellent analysis TomDorr. Spot on.

spideymarc 2 years 34 weeks ago
#10

How the rest of the world sees America is an important thing, and can obviously be gleaned by watching foreign news about the US. Mr. Chomsky has often said that on a consistent basis the rest of the world views America as the most dangerous threat to the world - and that's something we should take note of.

ALL sources of accurate information and analysis are welcome.

Truth is not relative to culture or based only upon a certain language.

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TomDorr 2 years 34 weeks ago
#11

Legend. I am fabricating nothing in terms of illegal immigration.

The links you posted prove this.

Sanctuary cities for the most part, have one thing in common: Democratic rule and liberal leanings. Although Obama's administration deported more illegals than Bush, he publicly stated that it would focus exclusively on criminal illegals, giving a sense of security to those illegals without criminal records, and encouraging them to become more demanding, strident activists.

DACA and DAPA, (soon to be repealed, I hope), legitimized illegal aliens and even gave/would give them legal authority to work any jobs they chose, with very few exceptions, as long as an employer would hire them. This also encourages employers, many of whom would not hire illegals previously.

It is very true employers are the "bad guys" in our illegal immigration problem. Except in agriculture and some really low level jobs Americans don't want, employers, especially in the construction and manufacturing industry, hire illegals solely for the cheap labor that will not complain about working conditions. This can be stopped with a robust e-verify program and strict penalties on employers who do not comply, but the Dems did nothing to beef up e-verify even though illegal immigrant influence harmed American employment levels and depressed wages.

If a "magic wand" could be waved, and all illegal immigrants disappeared from the work force, there would be some initial labor shortages. However, most jobs could be filled at higher wages by U.S. citizens, and the rest could be filled by a Guest Worker program, legal immigrants, and mechanization. This would be great for the American worker and taxpayers.

The Dems sided with the illegals. That is obvious by the panic now felt in the illegal immigrant community, afterTrump's election. The popular taunt "We're not going anywhere" suddenly rings hollow. They know that (hopefully) their days working in the US, for millions of them, are numbered, and DACA and DAPA will soon be Kaput.

Copycat 2 years 34 weeks ago
#12

We have an omnipresent commercial media owned by the antigovernment 1% trumpeting inflammatory and misleading takes on statistical data on police shootings, normalizing hate and racism misogyny and bigotry, an antigovernment controlled congress and developing cabinet, Bannon as Dump's right hand man with godlike status to an omnipresent underground well armed and organized alt-right militia, Dump's narcissistic hate of protesters or criticism of any kind or degree. And now we are supposed to believe that suddenly white men are just spontaneously disgruntled and ambushing police because they feel neglected and abused? I think we are being groomed to accept martial law.

Copycat 2 years 34 weeks ago
#13

Your in over your head in here, troll, so go drag your knuckles somewhere else.

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Quote TomDorr:

Legend. I am fabricating nothing in terms of illegal immigration.

The links you posted prove this.

Sanctuary cities for the most part, have one thing in common: Democratic rule and liberal leanings. Although Obama's administration deported more illegals than Bush, he publicly stated that it would focus exclusively on criminal illegals, giving a sense of security to those illegals without criminal records, and encouraging them to become more demanding, strident activists.

DACA and DAPA, (soon to be repealed, I hope), legitimized illegal aliens and even gave/would give them legal authority to work any jobs they chose, with very few exceptions, as long as an employer would hire them. This also encourages employers, many of whom would not hire illegals previously.

It is very true employers are the "bad guys" in our illegal immigration problem. Except in agriculture and some really low level jobs Americans don't want, employers, especially in the construction and manufacturing industry, hire illegals solely for the cheap labor that will not complain about working conditions. This can be stopped with a robust e-verify program and strict penalties on employers who do not comply, but the Dems did nothing to beef up e-verify even though illegal immigrant influence harmed American employment levels and depressed wages.

If a "magic wand" could be waved, and all illegal immigrants disappeared from the work force, there would be some initial labor shortages. However, most jobs could be filled at higher wages by U.S. citizens, and the rest could be filled by a Guest Worker program, legal immigrants, and mechanization. This would be great for the American worker and taxpayers.

The Dems sided with the illegals. That is obvious by the panic now felt in the illegal immigrant community, afterTrump's election. The popular taunt "We're not going anywhere" suddenly rings hollow. They know that (hopefully) their days working in the US, for millions of them, are numbered, and DACA and DAPA will soon be Kaput.

This is how you read Facts! "Sanctuary cities for the most part, have one thing in common: Democratic rule and liberal leanings."

This is the Fact. 32 cities have decided that it is too expensive to enforce immigration laws for the Government. You also want them "checking the Papers" of darker skinned individuals and ignoring you because you are white.

Arizona
California
Colorado
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Florida
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
New York
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Utah
Vermont
Washington

Your statement "Although Obama's administration deported more illegals than Bush". When actually it shows a steady increase in deportations from the Bush era without once pounding his chest like Trump.

Your statement. "DACA and DAPA, (soon to be repealed, I hope), legitimized illegal aliens and even gave/would give them legal authority to work any jobs they chose, with very few exceptions, as long as an employer would hire them. This also encourages employers, many of whom would not hire illegals previously." So you want to break up families which Trump has all ready said that he will not to.

DAPA

DACA

One quick fact that you ignore: "DAPA had not, at the time of the 2016 election, been implemented and DACA had not been expanded because Texas and 25 other states challenged the programs in federal court." Did you conveniently miss that one small fact?

Fact! We had the Bracero Program back in the 50's. It did not work because of the horrible conditions that employers expected the workers to work in so that they could make more profit.

Bracero Program

Finally when our country becomes famous for building a wall for $25 billion, even though 50% come here on legal visas and stay. And we are famous for rounding up 3 million and deporting them. At the same time trampling on the rights of legal citizens. At the same time they will be cutting your Social Security and Medicare.

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TomDorr 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Legend: Once again you reinforced my points. Of the list of sanctuary cities you provided, the vast, vast majority of them are under Democratic control with liberal leanings. By population, this domination becomes even more pronounced.

What is the actual city cost, per capita, for cooperating with ICE and exchanging legal/illegal status information of those they arrested, charged, and/or incarcerated? I wouldn't think that much. This to me, is a red herring used to deflect criticism from cities that care more about the demands of illegals than the needs of their American constituents. I'm sure the costs of illegals in these cities, in terms of taxpayer funded health care, education, and ancillary social services is far more per capita then the cost of sharing enforcement information.

What in the world gave you the idea that I want "them" checking the papers of dark skinned peoples and ignoring me because I am white? I would have absolutely no problem submitting to e-verify checks in order to get, or keep, a job. I would also have no problem going through the same citizenship or legal record scrutiny as any other person, legal or illegal, of any race or ethnicity. There should be intense scrutiny of citizenship status in applying for, and keeping, jobs in the U.S. If I have an encounter with the law, I would also have no problem having my citizenship status shared with ICE. (Maybe that's because I am not here illegally. Ya think?)

My statements on DACA and DAPA are accurate. While DACA's expansion has been put on hold, tens of thousands of illegals have work permits, and will have them until DACA is repealed. DAPA never got put into effect, due to the law, but must be repealed to ensure significant damage is not done to US citizens wanting jobs with decent wages.

If Hillary were elected, and appointed a liberal on the Supreme Court, DACA and DAPA would become reality to the detriment of American workers and taxpayers. Fortunately, this won't happen, when Trump rescinds these executive overreaches.

Deporting and incarcerating criminal illegals by the millions, and having an e-verify system in place that dries up the jobs for millions more will undoubtedly break up families.

However, many American families have been broken up and disrupted by incarcerating criminal family members. This is always a possibility if you break the laws in America, immigration or otherwise. Should we not jail American criminals because it would jeopardize family structure? (It should also be noted that many illegals voluntarily "broke up" their families back home by sneaking into the US and working, and leaving family behind. There is nothing mandating that deportation break up families; they are free to take their families back with them).

Speaking of harming families, it seems not enough people are concerned about the harm caused to American families due to job loss, displacement, and depressed wages due to illegal immigrants, who don't care if they are taking jobs Americans would work, (but for more money), and who don't care if their presence depresses wages. American families and their welfare is what I care about. Not the well being of job-destroyers.

As they have no legal right to be in the U.S., there is no legal obligation to consider illegal immigrants legitimate stakeholders or give them a seat at the table when immigration reform laws are being created and enforced. The only thing that should matter is what is best for American workers, taxpayers, and the economy.

Finally, although the Bracero program did not work, a Guest Worker program for agricultural jobs only, that cannot be filled by Americans, can be developed that would allow workers to work here for a maximum of six years, in certainfarm jobs only, and return without a path to citizenship that would "shortcut" the hundreds of thousands or even millions,of legitimate applicants from around the world.

We don't need a 25 billion dollar wall to keep out illegals if the promise of illegally working here disappears, and deportations continue at a reasonable rate. Improved technology, a modest increase in enforcement officers and better equipment, and beneficial law changes should do the trick.

If the United States becomes "famous" for securing our borders, preserving the best jobs for US citizens and significantly reducing unemployment, that will be a very good thing.

We can have a very good and generous LEGAL system of immigration that allows legal entry and citizenship to the best and brightest of the world. But we have to aggressively combat and close the spigot on illegal immigration first.

(I do not fear having my Social Security and Medicare cut. I have already retired with a pension that does not involve Social Security. More important: The senior lobby in the US is very strong, and Medicare will stay strong as long as it doesn't get raided to fund redistribution schemes like the ACA. Besides, "grandfathering" would certainly protect those over a certain age from any negative effects of any "reform" efforts. )

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
#16

With no facts or references it is easy to say what you say. But it is just that, factless information that is based on your opinion.

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TomDorr 2 years 34 weeks ago
#17

The facts that you used to try to refute my opinions actually made my case. You don't have to be a pollster or demographics expert to see that the cities you listed are Democrat -dominated in terms of government. Your DACA and DAPA links correspond to what I said.

You are unable to counter my opinions with your own, so you post links that confirm my ideas and points.

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