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"Approximately 2 a.m.: Omar Mateen, carrying a handgun and an AR-15–style semi-automatic assault weapon, opens fire at patrons inside the Pulse nightclub, where an estimated 300 people are inside.

An off-duty, uniformed police officer who is working security at the venue 'bravely responds' to the shooting, and a short gun battle—apparently outside the club and possibly involving two other officers—ensues. Mateen then retreats back inside club, effectively creating a hostage situation for those clubgoers still inside.

It wasn't until Approximately 5 a.m.: Police set off two controlled explosions to distract the gunman while they use an armored vehicle to gain entry to the club. (There are conflicting reports as to whether the vehicle smashed down a door or broke through a wall.) Mateen begins shooting at the officers and SWAT members return fire, killing him. According to police, 11 officers in all fire shots at the suspect, and 30 people are ultimately rescued from inside."

While police sat outside for 3 hours , there is no doubt Mateen continued to execute unarmed gay patrons. For those who were shot and critically injured , the 3 hour delay in their rescue , no doubt sealed their fate. Many badly shot up gay patrons who could have been saved if intervention had happened sooner, quite simply bled out and expired. A number of patrons who were finally saved and had managed to hang on for that 3 hours, died in transit to the hospital, time had run out on them also.

If you were one of those shot patrons, watching your life bleed out on the floor as this deranged shooter continually threatened to end you once and for all , if waiting 3 hours was an unreasonable response time by the police knowning this was a mass murder shooter intent on inflicting as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, before he either he was forced shoot himself or was shot by police.

I call cowardice and incompetence on the part of the Orlando Police, and considering the gravity of the pressing time their response time was shameful.

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/12/orlando_pulse_shooting...

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Gilbert's picture
Gilbert 2 years 49 weeks ago
#1

Blaming the police? Really?

zapdam's picture
zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#2

yup really , ask the dead if you can , if 3 hours as their life drained from their bodies was a reasonable response.

Gilbert's picture
Gilbert 2 years 49 weeks ago
#3

The only one to blame is the shooter. The police were there and you were not. Monday morning quarterbacking them is pathetic.

zapdam's picture
zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#4

Gilbert

If you were one of those shot patrons, watching your life bleed out on the floor as this deranged shooter continually threatened to end you once and for all , if waiting 3 hours was an unreasonable response time by the police knowning this was a mass murder shooter intent on inflicting as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, before he either he was forced shoot himself or was shot by police.

I call cowardice and incompetence on the part of the Orlando Police, and considering the gravity of the pressing time their response time was shameful.

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Gilbert 2 years 49 weeks ago
#5

Do you actually know what the police were doing those hours? Are you basing your name calling off of news reports that can't get the basic fact right about where the armored vehicle entered?

The only one to blame is the shooter. Period.

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Alberto Ceras 2 2 years 49 weeks ago
#6
Quote Gilbert: The only one to blame is the shooter. Period.

zapdam is right. The 3 hour delay cries out for thorough investigation by an independent body. No investigation of this tragedy can restore life to those brutally killed but it might save lives should another similar tragedy occur as seems altogether too likely.

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jestsayin 2 years 49 weeks ago
#7

How are all those background checks workin out?

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zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#8

Now stories are coming out that Omar Mateen the mass murderer in Orlando Florida had worked for and had obtained security clearance for a Homeland Security contractor, that guards Americas nuclear reactors.

ronsears 2 years 49 weeks ago
#9

Within the illusion of righteousness that defines all hindsight, the delays at the Orlando Pulse may seem to have been a mistake, and may seem to be against recommended police responses, at least in the school versions of these situations. But none of us know what the shooter was telling the police during those negotiations that would have convinced them going in would get more people killed. Suppose, for example, you peeked in the door and saw 30 hostages on the floor and could not see the shooter holding a gun on them? Suppose the shooter told you he had a bomb? Would you then make the decision to rush in?

Setting all speculation aside, regardless of what official after-the-fact analysis suggests for future responses to mass shootings, I feel tremendous sympathy for all the law enforcement folks now trying to personally deal with this atrocity. They will never be the same human beings after what they have seen, and, without any help from us, they will second guess their actions for the rest of their lives. They will imagine and obsess over impossible scenarios where they just might have saved a few more lives. 'If only I had..." That's a personal hell I wish on no one, much less men and women who risk their lives trying to protect us.

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DanielSun 2 years 49 weeks ago
#10

How could one know what the police were dealing with, but the Police by going in sooner.... Did they know if the shooter possibly had explosives that would have caused more death rushing in ? Cause the shooter to take more hostage lives if they were not able to pinpoint him... Was there negotiations going on ? Intel from someone inside with a cell phone...
This horrific murder of defenseless humans will be investigated and analyzed intensely. We should wait for facts before judging.

DanielSun's picture
DanielSun 2 years 49 weeks ago
#11

I should read comments before I post my own. I reiterated to some extent what you phrased so much better.

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zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#12

People here are suggesting the police new better what to do because they were hands on, I argue when you're dealing with a mass murderer whose intention is to cause as much death and destruction as possible and as quickly as possible , sitting on your ass outside of the slaughter house for 3 hours while injured bleed to death or sucumb to injuries that were treatable, is cowardice.

I have no doubt if a special forces military team had been in charge of this instead of these southern 'keystone cops' this would have been resolved very quickly and the death toll would have been less.

About 6 weeks from now the city will reward these bumbling cops with metals of bravery , just one more bullshit rah rah fantasy America and the media will suck it up like a vacuum.

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zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#13

Can you believe this sick SOB had a very young child who now grows up as the son of a top mass murderer in America. Maybe he will turn out to be gay, oh the irony.

Helen Willis 2 years 49 weeks ago
#14

I not sure this is an ethical thing to say, but if the shooter's dad was right and this was all about seeing a couple of gay guys kissing on the beach, don't you sort of suspect sexually confusion as part of the mental makeup of the shooter raised in a very repressive religious environment as one of the causes of this horror?

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zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#15

All valid comments Helen. Sicko hatred ingnited by to men showing affection for each other, which in reality offends many people , used to traditional beliefs, that combined with a very repressive religious upbringing, this could have been a southern Christian family. But the key to this carnage was his easy access to military grade fire power.

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zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#16

All valid comments Helen. Sicko hatred ingnited by to men showing affection for each other, which in reality offends many people , used to traditional beliefs, that combined with a very repressive religious upbringing, this could have been a southern Christian family. But the key to this carnage was his easy access to military grade fire power.

Helen Willis 2 years 49 weeks ago
#17

I agree there, both on nutty Christians also being a threat and the assault weapons needing to be banned. I would add banning high capacity clips. One news said there are already several million assault rifles owned in the United States. You know this represents a threat to you Canadians as well. It would not be hard for a nut job mad about something stupid in Canada to come over the border, buy some horrible weapons, and then sneak back. Any ideas what we can do about this?

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DdC 2 years 49 weeks ago
#18

June 13, 2016 | Full Frontal with Samantha Bee
What can we learn from the mass shooting in Orlando? Whatever it is, you can count on our elected officials to ignore it.

Westboro Baptist Church Celebrates Pulse Nightclub Shooting In Orlando:
'God Sent The Shooter'

Westboro Baptist trolls LGBT people after Orlando attack
Westboro Baptist Church continued their despicable tradition of exploiting every tragedy to spread their message of hate yesterday when they took to twitter to celebrate the terrorist attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando that left 50 dead and dozens wounded. Since the tragedy began, the hate group has been using their social media platforms to preach their vile theology and responding back to terrified and heartbroken LGBT people.

Franklin Graham Issues BRUTAL Call to Obama After Orlando Massacre… “It’s Time”

“I appreciate President Barack Obama speaking to the nation yesterday in the wake of the Orlando massacre. He was right in saying that this tragic shooting was an act of terror and hate.”

“But why didn’t he say it was an act of radical Islamic terrorism?”

It’s time we were rebuilding our military force worldwide to take on this enemy. It’s time we tighten America’s borders until we can clearly vet those we’re letting into the country.”

MASS MURDERER worked for HOMELAND SECURITY
Orlando mass murderer Omar Mateen had as recently as 2013 received special clearances from one to the companies that works for Homeland Security

zapdam's picture
zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#19

The latest is the gunman was a regular patron at the gay club , who hunted for sex with men and even used gay apps, like Grindr on his phone to increase his chances

Legend 2 years 49 weeks ago
#20

The police tend to fight any form of gun control yet they are the ones that may have to face some deranged individual with an assault weapon.

At a minimum we should ban assault weapons. I am in favor of requiring that an individual that wants to buy a gun take the MMPI and have a background check. The background check did not get this shooter but the MMPI probably would have. Probably true in all mass murders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

zapdam's picture
zapdam 2 years 49 weeks ago
#21

Whatever the reason this armed sicko attacked and killed 49 people and wounded another 53, the fact still remains without the American society allowing this man to legally buy military firepower and transport it in public, he'd just be for the most part just another angry man incapable of acting out his lethal desires.

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M4ar15.com 2 years 48 weeks ago
#22

I have to agree, one of the victims got out of the club alive and when she got out she said the cops were standing there doing nothing and she yelled and cursed the cops to stop the killing and they stood there.
This is from someone that WAS there.
It was cowardly, I would of happy went in with just my every day carry guns, a glock 22 & 26.
I would consider myself a coward if I was there and not entered to try and stop the killing.

M4ar15.com's picture
M4ar15.com 2 years 48 weeks ago
#23

No joke, imagine you were laying there for 3 hours beading out wandering why no one is coming to help.
I bet you those people wish they had a gun to kill the killer themselves.

DdC's picture
DdC 2 years 48 weeks ago
#24

CNN interviewed the cop in charge and he said the cops drove the shooter back into the bathrooms, with hostages unfortunately. But in the meantime, 3 hours or so. Orlando cops got most of the people out of harms way. Then when the shooter threatened to shoot victims he gave the order to use explosives. They called it something, I forget. I'm sure the story is online but I don't have time now to find it. I think most know I am all for re-arranging the cops in this country. Eliminating SWAT and militarization since Daryl Gates. I think they should stay out of politics and it would not be unheard of for a few cops to let gays die. Not the entire force. I'm giving them a pass this time until I hear differently.

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