This is my response to blogger 'Dukkah Earl'

Are you suggesting out of a population in 1939 of only 11 million , Canada didn't do its part in defense of all of Europe by offered up 44 thousand of its best young men to die fighting nazism. Canadians died fighting on beaches alongside American troops, just in case you are unaware.

Unlike US schooling, Canadians are taught a more indepth world view, we were taught that US continually lined up military equipment at certain areas of our border, including tanks and fighter planes, to 'unofficially aid' in the fight against Hitler, so a US industrial war complex did exist then.

As for your comment as to why we didn't attack Japan, Japan didn't enter the war officially like the US until Dec 1941 when it attacked Pear Harbor. Its amazing without sound background schooling which America lacks, even scrolling through page after page on web sites gathering info, you just don't seem to understand the big picture.

As for Vietnam, Canada knew this war wasn't about the red scare US domino theory, but more like the US again trying to make a buck being a bully with what they thought was a militarily inferior Vietnam fighter. The US would soon learn their mistake when they got their ass kicked all the way to Saigon and in typical US expediency abandoned hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese who helped the US cause, to their fate being captured , some tortured and executed by the north.

As for the few Canadians who crossed the US/Canada border to fight in Vietnam, their numbers were dwarfed by US draft dodgers heading north and being accepted and protected by our country.

67 thousand young American boys, average age 19 , a high percentage minorities, died for absolutely nothing, except for the bravado of America politicians and Generals trying to show the world its military 'exceptionalism' and the war profiteers making a buck. Many of these same war profiteers corporations are now making big bucks doing business with the Communist Vietnamese government, just not selling bombs, munitions and Napalm or agent orange.

You must be a fan of Anne Coulter the rabid right wing b***h, who was so arrogantly cocksure Canada fought in the Vietnam war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZypazTGZUc

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TomDorr 3 years 5 days ago
#1

Also,Canadian pilots were instrumental in helping defend England in the Battle of Britain. This was before the Americans became officially involved in Europe in WWII.

Canadiens were disciplined and courageous pilots and soldiers.

They did not fight the Japanese as they were needed on Europe. the Canadian naval forces were more of a defensive fleet, which helped defand North America while the US fleets traveled.

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zapdam. 3 years 5 days ago
#2

TomDorr

If it hadn't been for the greatness and friendship of the Americans ,there would have been fewer planes for Candians(Canadiens in french) to fly to defend Great Britain. Without the help of the US 'neutral' armaments industry parking American made planes, tanks and weapons of war on our border, who knows what would have happened to England under the onslaught of Hitlers advance.

My namesake a crew member in No.148 Squadron, Halifax II, heavy bomber, was shot down and missing in action and presumed killed.

Dukkah Earl 3 years 4 days ago
#3

Are you suggesting out of a population in 1939 of only 11 million , Canada didn't do its part in defense of all of Europe by offered up 44 thousand of its best young men to die fighting nazism.

Never said that. But since you wish to take things out context in order to make yourself sound smart, explain how casualities at the end of a war gives you reason to enter a war. It's a direct question, try not misdirect with your answer as you are prone to do.

Unlike US schooling, Canadians are taught a more indepth world view, we were taught that US continually lined up military equipment at certain areas of our border, including tanks and fighter planes, to 'unofficially aid' in the fight against Hitler, so a US industrial war complex did exist then.

Prior to conscription which took place in 1940, the US military was a force of 175,000 men, while a far smaller number than Canada's 9300 once they entered WW2, proportional-wise to the general population relatively small and still hardly an industrial war complex.

The output of weapons was increased substantially after 1940. Weapons prior to the US entering the war helped create jobs at a time when jobs were needed. Afterwards, real equipment, the stuff that defines military industrial kicked in. You seem to play loose with the levels that define an industrial war complex. (http://ww2-weapons.com/u-s-arms-production/)

As for your comment as to why we didn't attack Japan, Japan didn't enter the war officially like the US until Dec 1941 when it attacked Pear Harbor. Its amazing without sound background schooling which America lacks, even scrolling through page after page on web sites gathering info, you just don't seem to understand the big picture.

Your continued dishonesty dampens the stereotype of the typical Canadian. (Congratulations on being no better than a knuckle dragging Republican*) Once again, you put forth a statement clearly out of context. Your big complaint was about the US not entering the war sooner despite the atrocities taking place.

"The round up Jews , gays, gypsy's, the sick and the feeble by Hitlers gang, then the industrial scale mass murder of these defenseless people, i would think would bring any good man or woman to their defense, won't you."

However, as I said in the original post that you are hiding from, that was not Canada's reason, nor England's, reasons to declare war. All of which was happening prior to your declarations. Yet, you feebly suggest that you joined the Pacific Theater only after Pearl Harbor and then seemingly deny that Japan had not been engaging in any military actions in those seas prior to that day. This is why I posed the question of interests. It was only after a direct attack and/or invasion that the nations in question declared war. (The US declared war on Germany once Germany declared war on the US.) An obvious fact you seem to gloss over in order to avoid admitting to be wrong in your thinking. You seemingly cannot agree with yourself as to why one should enter a war.

As for Vietnam, Canada knew this war wasn't about the red scare US domino theory,

And I asked for proof that specifically stated that relevant to that time in history. Any conclusion looks sound in hindsight, but you are making a statement without providing any factual evidence. It's known in debate circles as "pulling stuff out your arse". Hardly works as being defined as "FACTS" as your title implies.

but more like the US again trying to make a buck being a bully with what they thought was a militarily inferior Vietnam fighter. The US would soon learn their mistake when they got their ass kicked all the way to Saigon and in typical US expediency abandoned hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese who helped the US cause, to their fate being captured , some tortured and executed by the north.

Again, padding. This is not even an issue I am counter-addressing.

As for the few Canadians who crossed the US/Canada border to fight in Vietnam, their numbers were dwarfed by US draft dodgers heading north and being accepted and protected by our country.

So? My point in even mentioning that was two-fold. It would appear that some Canadians felt some duty to get involved and it was used to counter your lie: "no (sic) a single fighting man until 2 years into WW2" When in fact plenty of US men joined the Canadian military to fight Germany prior to what you said.

67 thousand young American boys, average age 19 , a high percentage minorities, died for absolutely nothing, except for the bravado of America politicians and Generals trying to show the world its military 'exceptionalism' and the war profiteers making a buck. Many of these same war profiteers corporations are now making big bucks doing business with the Communist Vietnamese government, just not selling bombs, munitions and Napalm or agent orange.

Just more filler. Adds nothing because it has nothing to do with the issues I addressed.

You must be a fan of Anne Coulter the rabid right wing b***h, who was so arrogantly cocksure Canada fought in the Vietnam war.

And I will repeat to you what I said the first time you said that:

Obviously your education hasn't helped your reading comprehension ability, as I never said that Canada fought in the Viet Nam war.

Essentially your argument is to make stuff up that I never said and never address the valid points regarding the real reason why Canada (and England) entered WW2.

(begin new stuff)

Even in an entirely new blog on your part, you lack the ability to confront the weakness of your arguments and again showcase your inability to logically counter any issues I specifically address.

Seriously, for one who claims to have the superior education you seem to lack the most important quality in learning: critical thinking. Get your sh?t together and come back with some substance that is relevant to my arguments.

* I kid you. Just teasing.

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TOM D. 3 years 4 days ago
#4

Hey Zap! I had a bit of time, and thought I'd drop in and see what the hell is up. And I cant believe what I'm reading. All I can do is speak for myself, and say that I believe that Canada has ALWAYS been a real and true friend to the U.S. Solid and reliable, without much fanfare. Just like a true friend is. And I do know that it's not always easy, considering some of the idiots we've had "in charge"..... GW bush comes to mind for instance. Anyway, please dont let one opinion ever let you think we americans feel otherwise,my friend. Tom

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zapdam. 3 years 4 days ago
#5

Tom D

That comment is just so very nice and uplifting, thank you for that and you're correct Canada has been and will always be i'd think Americas 'best friend'. Although sometimes from my comments you'd never gather that. Like i said in the past when the chips were down and we both were scared for our survival , Canadians died on those beaches right beside our American friends. So take all my criticisms with a grain of salt, as a senior i've got 70 years of looking back to reflect on and i like my American senior friends know bullshit when i see it, that why i'm always calling it out.

Dukkah Earl 3 years 4 days ago
#6

Ok, so you put up a misleading title and then refuse to back up one item I called you out on.

You blog like a monkey with a machine gun. You'll let loose a hundred round of bullets, with 2 or 5 hitting the mark and the rest of the bullet points fly off in a dozen different directions and you think you did a really good job?

You can't shoot straight much less get a fact straight. But hey, thanks for dedicating a blog post just for me. It makes me feel special and not the usual short bus special kind.

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zapdam. 3 years 3 days ago
#7

Dukkah

Quote "You blog like a monkey with a machine gun. You'll let loose a hundred round of bullets, with 2 or 5 hitting the mark and the rest of the bullet points fly off in a dozen different directions and you think you did a really good job?"

Dukkah that comments priceless and so spot on, if i could rename my blog self, i'd call myself ' monkey with a machine gun'

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Mzungu.3000 3 years 3 days ago
#8

I think I have a lot more respect for an intelligent "monkey with a machine gun" than I do a rodent with a computer and way, way too much time on their hands. Just my opinion. And I know I saw you on that short bus, don't you try to josh me buddy.

Dukkah Earl 3 years 3 days ago
#9

Look, he has a lot of passion, very little in the way of factual accuracy, but passion just the same. If one is going to blog on a public forum and they aren't willing to address the inaccuracies that are pointed out, then they shouldn't blog here. They instead need to stand on a random street corner and yell at nobody in particular.

I happen to find that facts matter and when people just randomly toss around information as a means to kick someone down, they better be sure to back up their talk with some evidence.

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