Perhaps the real 21 century slaves in America are the racists, who have been taught a lifetime of norms from birth predicated on hatred, buoyed by the knowledge that even their countries icons, forefathers and presidents were like them, devout racists.

Even though instinctively they may be at odds with their learned behavior, they are culturally bound to an abnormality that overrides all sense of respect and fairplay . An affliction their friends, fellow citizens , societal demands won't allow them walk back or escape from. They are by birth indoctrinated and condemned by the history of their countries ingrained beliefs and deeds. Like it or not they are slaves to the expectations of a fraternity, a citizenry of unreasoned haters.

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TomDorr 2 years 43 weeks ago
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Zap: The real 21st century slaves are not the racists. Slavery, as an institution, was far more involuntary and horrific than any slavery of the mind, no matter how intense it may be. There is still slavery today, though not in the U.S. except for pockets of mostly Asian immigrant slaves ( check out the nail salon abuses, and prostitution). I would not downplay true slavery to mental angst or anything happening in this country. We do not have slavery, "slave patrols", or even Jim Crow now, no matter what dishonest, deceptive hyperbole eminates from the disenchanted.

That said, there are those in this country that are racists, on both sides of the "black and white".

As someone who grew up with parents who never said that much on the issue of race, one way or the other, to me, and who worked on the railroad in a relatively diverse environment, I don't know many racists, black or white.

The only ones really "harmed" by their racism are those who are the extreme ones, who are obsessed by it. These persons, white and black, are harmed psychologically, by their own bitterness and fears, to the extent their ability to enjoy life and trust other people is severely restricted. It seems they only associate with the small groups that reinforce their views, and thus accentuate their resentments and fears.

I have found that white persons I know that have a mild to moderate sense of racial superiority, or similar disdain for blacks are so oblivious to these beliefs that they don't even dwell on them. Thus, they are not"enslaved" by their beliefs.

There are also those that are chauvinistic, in that they are for their own group first, and very protective of their "tribe". This is a natural expression of human nature, that may lead to misperceptions and cultural "blinders", but, in my opinion, does not in and of itself cause harm to themselves.

I think it is not quite accurate to equate mental truncation, pain, or even disorder to actual slavery. In this country we do not have actual slavery, so I guess mental "enslavement" can get traction as no one in this country has actually experienced the real thing.

I understand your sentiments, but cannot compare anything to slavery that is not actually as terrible as real slavery.

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zapdam. 2 years 43 weeks ago
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Tom

There are different types of slavery, perhaps the biggest form of slavery today is economic slavery. Students owe trillion and a half in education loans, Americans owe trillion and a half in credit card debt, millions of Americans are still upside down in the mortgages, meaning they owe more than the houses after the recession are worth. In most major cities young families wanting to purchase a house are looking at a half million dollars which over the life of the mortgage becomes almost a million dollars just in housing debt..

But the most disturbing form of slavery is the crippling poverty that people of color must endure, constant high unemployment, an underclass bound to the servitude of poor paying menial jobs, substandard housing ,poor educational chances, social stigma and societal shunning and violence.

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TomDorr 2 years 42 weeks ago
#3

Zap: The way out of poverty in this country is to raise a family with two married parents. Married families, in this country, of all races, have a mere 6% poverty rate.

If one has children in this country as a single parent, certainly one's chances of success will be much slimmer.

The Pew Report on family structure and economic success of 2015 clearly shows this.

People of color in this country that are immigrants do not suffer grinding poverty. They succeed. In fact, black and African immigrants in one year of residency leave African Americans, statistically, in their dust.

In this country, culture determines success far more than color.

The term "underclass" describes a class defined by dysfunctional culture more than income.Repeating behaviors that keep one in an " underclass" has predictable results.

Poor educational chance is also a variable of culture. I live near Philadelphia, where Asian public school students of various incomes not only did very well in the same s"underfunded" chools where African Americans were doing very poorly, but actually outperformed the white public school students of the "rich" suburban school districts.

And I don't believe it is because Asians have some genetic advantage. It is because their parents value education, delay of gratification to achieve long term goals, and initiative.

Its culture.

The numerous African Americans that make up the black middle class and upper class in this country clearly show we do not have a caste system. Upward mobility depends on culture and effort.

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Zenbrarian 2 years 42 weeks ago
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Quote zapdam.:

...instinctively they may be at odds with their learned behavior, they are culturally bound to an abnormality that overrides all sense of respect and fairplay . An affliction their friends, fellow citizens , societal demands won't allow them walk back or escape from. They are by birth indoctrinated and condemned by the history of their countries ingrained beliefs and deeds. Like it or not they are slaves to the expectations of a fraternity, a citizenry of unreasoned haters.

Zap, please see comment #21 on Kenyatta's "Terence Crutcher" post for an interesting take on racism.

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zapdam. 2 years 42 weeks ago
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Zenbrarian

With all dur respect, i read your comment and its source and i have to call bullshit on this one. If that were remotely true all Americans would have racist DNA, which of course they don't. Must admit its an iteresting argument , you did your homework on this one. What i believe is this is a learned behavior reinforced by the knowledge that the country was founded on racism, its institutions built by slaves, its founders for the most being racist. More than anything , this is a condition promoted by the rich establishment of the south in particular, who even today can't believe their servants have been taken away by an act of government, that's why government is under attack by the establishment.

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Bodhisattva 2 years 42 weeks ago
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I think you are both right. Two things can be true at the same time ya know.

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