'Back in 2007, the White House the Bush administration conveniently "lost" more than five million private emails. The story was barely covered.'

Obviously Americans , especially liberal Americans are too stupid to realize the significance of over a million private emails deleted by George W Bush regime that catalogued events leading up to the invasion of Iraq.

These is no doubt that these private emails contained criminal conspiracies to deliberately fabricate lies to lead America into an illegal war with Iraq. Conspiracies to provide 'lucrative government contacts' to pay back the war profiteers for their 'financial support' of the Republican party. Conspiracies to hide the use of radioactive munitions, white phosporous and other weapons of war banned under the Geneva Convention, Conspiracies to hide the mass slaughter of civilians that ensued under orders of the Bush regime. Conspiracies to hide kidnappings and torture sites under orders set up by the CIA world wide. Conspiracies to 'hide the disappeared'. Conspiracies to hide the Saudi financial and weapons involvement. Conspiries to deliberately mislead and lie to the American public on the cost of the war both in lives and moneies.

And what did stupid Americas allow their corporate establishment media talk about and its right wing dominated congress spend 27 million tax dollars investigating for the last 4 years, Hillary's BENGHAZI.

WE have been told repeatedly the the NSA gathering of DATA , private emails, can be stored indefinitely. We've also learned that even our elected members have been spied upon, their private emails have been data mined. We should then assume that copies of these million plus private Bush era private emails are in the possession of the NSA and that the corporate run NSA is therefore hiding and covering up criminal evidence, this is criminal evidence the American public should be privy too.. We must demand a full government investigation into the million plus private emails deleted by the George W Bush regime.

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Dukkah Earl 2 years 40 weeks ago
#1

You're more than welcome to make it happen.

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TomDorr 2 years 40 weeks ago
#2

Zap: I don't know if I would generalize Americans as "stupid". Until I recently retired, I worked 38 years on the railroad averaging 50-60 hour weeks. I also was a union rep for 22 years and spent time raising a family, doing church activities, and (deserved) recreational activities. As a union rep and citizen, I was an informed voter, voted in every election, and engaged in local political activities as they pertained to my union.

Aside from quitting my job and grabbing a bullhorn, please tell me what I could have done to not be "stupid". Many, many more Americans were, and are, in my position, and I don't consider them or myself stupid.

Legend 2 years 40 weeks ago
#3

I would sum it up as, Americans that are Republicans that are not in the 1%. They are the stupid ones.

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zapdam. 2 years 40 weeks ago
#4

Legend

You mean the stupid right wingers, the republicans , who live poor or marginal lives and need the social programs that decades of previous liberal democratic governments have given them ,yet stupidly support the political agenda of the rich establishment and privileged one percent.

Tom that comment i wrote to you should have read , 'no one' instead of anyone.

Dukkah Earl 2 years 40 weeks ago
#5

“I know it's important to do more than just complain when there's something you don't like. You need to try to do something about it, or you're nothing but a whiner.”
Jean Ferris

Legend 2 years 40 weeks ago
#6

The Republican Party is molded by the 1% for the 1%. Since 1% does not win an election they have to use voter suppression, Ownership of the media, 24/7 Fox News, Issues that draw low info voters (such as gun rights, walls, deportation and hatred of other religions). They have looked at the popularity of reality TV and are using it this election. Interesting that they did not background check the candidate.

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zapdam. 2 years 40 weeks ago
#7

TomDorr

Tom you know anyone who has read your comments would not consider yourself stupid, my comment is a generalization, and mostly to get attention. So you've been kinda 'punked',

Generally though Americans are a nation of dumb asses, incapable of thinking for themselves. They have become collectively drugged by their mainstream media, owned and operated by their rich establishment that control all the wealth and obviously their minds. Most can't name their Vice President, but can name the entire cast of the favorite sitcom.

Americas are constantly being played by the powerful who control their lives, played and manipulated using the deceit of nationalism that blinds them to the reality of truth, Fully unaware that nationalism is the final refuge of a manipulative government.

Americans some day must be told they are not the center of the universe. Americans must also be told their exceptionalism is a myth, Americans are not super humans. God is not an American..

There is no doubt Americans are unaware they are the worlds number one terrorist. Americans seem oblivious to their killing of three million Vietnamese, the killing of 300,00 Central Americans and now the killing of one million Iraqis, 300,000 Afghani's or is it perhaps apathetic Americans just don't care. Americans are unaware they are a nation of killers.

Amazingly Americans can't believe they are now suffering blow back of their own doing from the decades and decades of subjugation and terrorism they've committed worldwide. Americans the offenders really believe they are now the victim. Americans have become inmates of the own society, They are now forced to forfeit their privacy in the name of Homeland security, they are slowly being deprived of their individual freedoms under the disguise of antiterrorism. Americans have allowed themselves to become the most jailed people in the world, one in 31 are inmates of the US penal system.

Americans are no longer in control of their own destiny, they have been made politically impotent, limp, as proved by this years election of the establishment choice of 'twiddle dee' or 'twiddle dumb for president'. Out of 330 million Americans they are told its Trump or Hillary.

Forty percent of American voters still consider Donald Trump their next president , despite all the racism, white power support, accusations of physical assaults on women , the irrational behavior, his madness . Another 20% consider themselves 'swing voters', these being the stupidest of the bunch, leaving potentially more than half the population who embrace Trumps behavior,

Don't get me wrong i don't hate my southern neighbors, but i can understand why events like 911 happen.

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TomDorr 2 years 40 weeks ago
#8

Zap: What I am trying to get across is that most Americans are like me. They are achieving and spending alot of time in their personal pursuits. They are doing well and spending most of their time on personal and "local" issues. They are not stupid, they are perhaps given to other priorities and necessities. I think this election will wake the electorate up. Never have we been faced with such lousy choices.

A great nation like America wil always have its ups and downs. But so far, it has always righted itself. This is a nation that put a man on the moon, but in the 1980's, couldn't build a decent car. That has been fixed.

There are stupid persons in the U.S.; but in my opinion, they are not in the majority. The U.S is a world leader, a superpower, and a bold nation that has millions trying to enter and be citizens. It is not perfect, as no nation is. But it's people are not stupid, or we would have sunk to the poverty and government ineptness of Venezuela, Liberia, or Mexico. ( To e a few faile tions).

Politics in the U.S. can be messy, but we don't kill each other over elections, and we don't have dictators. Corporations and open border activists may have the upper hand now, but that will change.

Not having the time to check out e-mails, wrong doings by political leaders, and world opinions does not make us stupid. We do our best, and that "best" is pretty damn good.

ronsears 2 years 39 weeks ago
#9

Victims, not idiots! I suggest it is long past time for all of us to quit beating ourselves up as either enlightened or dumb, and that includes a great many of those referred to in this discussion as "idiots." I suggest you separate the carefully designed propaganda poured into many of our friend's and neighbor's heads, from judgments of their personal worth. This is not some "feel good" soft headed suggestion. If we don't get past fighting with each other, we have all fallen into the trap as designed for us and nothing will change.

First consider the hard proof that we are all targets and often victims of massively funded propaganda strategies. Specifically, hard political RESULTS show Trump is not some unpredictable cumulative phenomena of Tweets or blue collar anger, or racism or whatever other dark beliefs lurking on the fringes of US culture. Trump is a calculated political strategy that benefited establishment Republicans, Democrats and the plutocrats funding them at various points in the Primaries and National Election.

Here is the proof. It is impossible that big media companies, especially any media companies headquartered in New York to not know Trump is a mean tempered real idiot. It is also impossible they did not know they had or could easily obtain proof of his basic inadequacy as a human being on tape going back at least 30 years. If they had presented this information last year Trump would now be a footnote, not a threat to our democratic process. Why was Trump given a free pass for so long? Why was Trump given to date an estimated $3 billion in free media coverage? Arguing he made money for the media with all his antics is the standard response. But when has the press ever been able to refrain from creating even more immediate profits by generating controversy when they had the goods on Trump to do exactly that last year? Are you going to argue they were showing respect for our political process?

Here is a more compelling explanation. Consider Trump's impact on the Republican and Democratic Primaries. Trump's Progressive Positions borrowed from Bernie Sanders, combined with his outrageous behavior and 100's of millions of dollars of early free press coverage, simultaneously drew sufficient attention and votes away from Bernie Sanders to assure Hillary's Primary win. Along with the large number of Republican candidates and debates, Trump also helped the Republican Primary race completely dominate media coverage. In state after state, Trump's completely non-traditional positions on trade attracted large groups of new Republican voters, where no other Republican candidate could express such advocacy. The only surprise (and it was a really big one) was the Republican Establishment could not control the base's enthusiasm for Trump's bravado. But they also did not dare have the corporate media take him down during the Primary, since that would have:

A) Angered a large chunk of their base, and

B) Increased the likelihood of independents and even some Republicans switching over and Bernie Sanders winning the Democratic Primary, and Sanders represented a far greater threat to big money sponsors of the establishment Republicans than Hillary.

Republicans were stuck, so most (with some notable exceptions like Kasich) crossed their fingers, added the known Republican ultra-conservative Pence onto the ticket to attract the Evangelicals, and hoped that all the dirt on Trump would somehow magically stay out of the public's attention.

No way the Democrats were going to let that happen. Trump is exactly the weak Republican candidate they wanted to create. Amazingly, he already has even greater negatives than Hillary and these negatives can easily be pushed even lower. In one stroke, Trump's presence helped move Bernie Sanders out of the way so Hillary could win the Democratic Primary, and now Trump provides a very weak target in the national election. All the Democrats needed is for corporate media to feature some of that mountain of negative information on Trump for a few weeks. And surprise, we get "PussyGate" and endless collaboration of what a dangerous loser he actually is. Trump is now obviously going to loose, and loose big. The establishment Democrats will soon control both the White House and very likely the Senate. And, if a few more Trump bombs explode in the next few weeks, Democrats might even retake the House.

Trump met the immediate strategic primary needs of both Establishment Republicans and Democrats and the plutocrats funding both. Unfortunately for Establishment Republicans, it would seem at least at this point, they grossly underestimated the anger they had nurtured all these years by both whipping up and then disappointing their base. But be cautious and watch what actually happens in US politics over the next two to four years to see if this outcome is also not part of the plutocrat's underlying plan. Keep in mind that Plutocrats couldn't give a damn what happens to any particular political party as long as they stay in control. Making all aspects of our political system and government look hopeless is part of their long-term plan, continuously creating confusion and a power vacuum for them to step into.

If the Democrats don't retake the Senate and you look back in two and four years and nothing has changed, then Trump, just like the Tea Party before him will have been another successful manipulation of all of us, supposedly enlightened and idiots alike, and the demographic sea change and Progressive Revolution will have been held back once again.

So, again, I suggest you refrain from labeling our fellow victims as idiots and instead dream up any and all ways to counter the mega-dollar propaganda and political manipulations that injure us all.

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#10

ronsears quote "Here is a more compelling explanation. Consider Trump's impact on the Republican and Democratic Primaries. Trump's Progressive Positions borrowed from Bernie Sanders,"

Please do you really think Trump meant a word of being a so call 'progressive positions', do you really think if he won the rest of the red necks would allow him to any of these Bernie programs, please.

Twenty five per cent of the US voters are the bible thumping , gun totting nut bags Obama talked about, the rest of his conservative base are the ones who believe these republicans are fiscally responsible, even though in the half century there's not no once of proof of it. The same crowd that want to follow right wing policy and gut every US safety net, programs these jerks even need and use. These are the same crowd that hire Mexicans to cut their hair, do there gardening, eat the produce that these so called illegals pick for fuck all money and in the same breath scream , get these wet backs out of America. . Please we're talking about half of America that have got the brains cross threaded and are hopelessly delusional. The morons that feel safe and in control, because they think they can take on their government with their loaded hand gun, geez i mean imbeciles and these bible totting messianic snake worshipping pin heads represent almost half of America.

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#11

EVERY piece of government legisllation in the last 100 years that has created safety nets for the American middle and lower class have been put into being by the liberal democratic party of America, from seniors pensions, employment insurance, medicare, 40 our work week, minimum wage , laws against child labor, to safety laws for drugs, food, water, air quality, on and on, all implemented by the left wing democratic party of America AND opposed every step of the way by the rabid right wing republicans.

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chuckle8 2 years 39 weeks ago
#12

Has anybody written an amendment that can convert our constitution into one with proportional representation?

Legend 2 years 39 weeks ago
#13

We cannot get money voted on for Zika Virus research. How are you going to Amend the Constitution when it is almost impossible to Amend?

Legend 2 years 39 weeks ago
#14
Quote zapdam.:

EVERY piece of government legisllation in the last 100 years that has created safety nets for the American middle and lower class have been put into being by the liberal democratic party of America, from seniors pensions, employment insurance, medicare, 40 our work week, minimum wage , laws against child labor, to safety laws for drugs, food, water, air quality, on and on, all implemented by the left wing democratic party of America AND opposed every step of the way by the rabid right wing republicans.

As I said in post #6, The Republican Party is molded by the 1% for the 1%. Anyone that is in the 1% should vote Republican. Anyone that is not in the 1% should not vote Republican. Thom has challenge callers to call in with anything that the Republicans have done for the middle class and it has never been challenged. Yet middle and even lower class people will vote Republican. You get posters all of the time (use to get more when the Forum existed) That have Republican agenda's. But do they ever have fact or references?

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#15

Legend

Republicans who are not part of that less than one percent of the wealthy in America who control 90% of all the wealth, are the people who would stupidly cut off their noses to spite their faces. Truly stupid people.

Legend 2 years 39 weeks ago
#16

I feel that brainwashed is a better term. Brainwashed by the 1% owned and operated mainstream media. Fox News being the leader.

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chuckle8 2 years 39 weeks ago
#17

I wasn't so much interested in getting an amendment passed. I wanted to know if anybody had ever tried for proportional representation, and how difficult it would be to even write it.

If we get a majority of the house perhaps we can vote on the Zika virus research.

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chuckle8 2 years 39 weeks ago
#18

Did anyone see Ann Coulter on Bill Maher. She was asking for bigger govt and all Bill could do was talk about the sleaziness of T-Rump.

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chuckle8 2 years 39 weeks ago
#19

ronsears - so you are saying a loose cannon is going to lose.

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#20

Chuckle8

Proportional representation (PR) characterizes electoral systems by which divisions in an electorate are reflected proportionately in the elected body. If 30% of the electorate support a particular political party, then roughly 30% of seats will be won by that party. The essence of such systems is that all votes contribute to the result: not just a plurality, or a bare majority, of them. Proportional representation requires the use of multiple-member voting districts (also called super-districts); it is not possible using single-member districts alone.[1][2][3]

There are two PR voting systems: party list PR and the single transferable vote (STV).[4][5] Mixed member proportional representation (MMP), also known as the Additional Member System, is a hybrid Mixed Electoral System that uses party list PR as its proportional component. MMP has the potential to be proportional or semi-proportional depending on a number of factors such as the ratio of FPTP seats to PR seats, the existence or nonexistence of compensatory seats to make up for overhang seats, and election thresholdsMain article: Party-list proportional representation

This system is used in many countries, including Finland (local list), Latvia (open list), Sweden (open list), Israel (national closed list), Brazil (open list), the Netherlands (open list), Russia (closed list), South Africa (closed list), Democratic Republic of the Congo (open list), and Ukraine (open list). For elections to the European Parliament, most member states use open lists; but most large EU countries use closed lists, so that the majority of EP seats are distributed by those.[48] Local lists were used to elect the Italian Senate during the second half of the 20th century.

Closed list PRMain article: Closed list

The parties each list their candidates according to party's candidate selection process. In closed list systems, voters vote for a list of candidates, with the party choosing the order of candidates on the list and thus, in effect, their probability of being elected. Each party is allocated seats in proportion to the number of votes it receives, using the ranking order.[49] Voters, therefore, do not have the option to express their preferences at the ballot as to which candidates are elected into office.[50][51]

There is an intermediate system in countries like Uruguay, where each party presents several closed lists, each representing a faction. Seats are distributed between parties according to the number of votes, and then between the factions within each party.[citation needed]

Open list PRMain article: Open list

In an open list, voters may vote, depending on the model, for one person, or for two, or indicate their order of preference within the list – nevertheless the number of candidates elected from the list is determined by the number of votes the list receives.[citation needed]

Local list PRMain article: Localized list

In a local list system, parties divide their candidates in single member-like constituencies, which are ranked inside each general party list depending by their percentages. This method allows electors to judge every single candidate as in an FPTP system.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation

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Scott Blankenship 2 years 39 weeks ago
#21

Arguing about stupidity always leads to questions and arguments about "doing something" and "whining." Bill Maher stood up on CNN and defended his "Americans are stupid" comments and that was "doing something" IMO because it got people going in good and bad ways, as usual in our country.

Humor and constructive criticism go well together, as long as we can keep perspective and not launch into litigating right/wrong/good/bad tirades. Humor and parsimony cleanse the intellectual palette. Want your comments to be read and appreciated, keep them short and on-topic.

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Zenbrarian 2 years 39 weeks ago
#22

Zap, you've brought up a subject I've been pondering since the #OrangeMenace won the nomination. I've come to the conclusion that collectively we are stupid, but as individuals can be intelligent. As a group we are susceptible to manipulation, cognitive biases, and irrational judgement. We become numb to the normalization of deviant behavior no matter how minor the shift (Shifting Baseline Syndrome?). We need to take time out from the endless news cycle and engage in a bit of introspection.

To ronsears, how I would love to have a few hours to discuss this subject and others that you have written on the TH blogs. I've taken the time to read your blogs and/or comments. You present yourself as intelligent, insightful, and responsive to new theories and ideas. Please keep posting!

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#23

Zenbrarian

Talking about stupid, obviously i'm too stupid to proof read my posts before i upload them. Anyone want to be my proof reader?

Zenbrarian quote " collectively we are stupid " " As a group we are susceptible to manipulation, cognitive biases, and irrational judgement.", interesting comment, hopefully a few other bloggers will add to your thoughts. Personally though i think Americans as a society are as dumb as fuck. Yes there are millions of highly educated, creative, brilliant Americans , but they are vastly out numbered by what i describe as the stupidest fucking electorate in the world. As the world recoils in horror at the posibility of a Trump presidency, even after all that's transpired during these last 6 months, Trumps still looks like he'll win 20 of the 50 states and remains on average only single digits behind Hillary.

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Zenbrarian 2 years 39 weeks ago
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Quote zapdam.:

Zenbrarian

Talking about stupid, obviously i'm too stupid to proof read my posts before i upload them. Anyone want to be my proof reader?

A backhanded insult, Zap? No harm. If I've offended you in some way, please forgive me.

As you state, we could possibly be the "stupidest fucking electorate" on the planet. How else could you explain the Republican nominee? I don't have any explanation for this phenomenon other than the majority of those who identify as Republican feel they've been ignored, manipulated, or marginalized by those who were elected to represent them. In turn, the collective majority of Republicans stupidly voted for the person who deviated from the political norm.

Since the 60s (the decade I was born), things have progressively gotten worse. We could blame many things for our demise, but we'd only be scratching the surface, I fear. It goes much deeper than Reaganomics, the marriage of religion & politics, Citizens United, attempts to roll back the Civil Rights' gains, warmongering to bring about democracy, the list goes on. I believe it goes to the core of how we define ourselves as a people. We have bought in to the idea that we as a nation are superior to all others on the planet. That we are entitled to do as we please anywhere, anytime, to anyone. To make things worse, this only applies if you are male and white. The rest of us are required to put up or shut up. In an age where money speaks louder than the majority can we expect anything different?

Legend 2 years 39 weeks ago
#25

Billy Bush was let go from NBC for his hot mic conversation with Donald Trump, where he giggled at Trumps remarks. Proving that the bar is much higher for a 3rd hour co-host on the Today Show than it is to be POTUS.

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#26

Zenbrarian

The difference between the America of the 1960's when you were born and now, is that powerful corporations have taken over your country. 6 mega corporations control 90% of everything Americans see , hear or read. Powerful corporate owners like the Koch Brothers openly fund institutions whose sole purpose is to do the bidding of their wants, even undermining socierty itself and government to do this. Koch brothers particular have gone so for as infiltrate cash strapped schools and universities and demanded control over the curriculum and the hiring and firing of teaching staff for their financial support. Corporations that print the very books your schools use, have witewashed historical facts, science, literature anything could encourage Americans to think and question established order.

Media outlets like FOX, with over a 100 million viewers ,use licenses granted to them, to subvert society and government, divide the population and outright lie to the people they are supposed to serve. The rest NBC , CBS, ABC , CNN are not much better.

Drug companies have been given carte blanch to charge whatever they like for their products, allowed to put profits before life saving, even though they control drug monopolies. They've sold drugs they knew would kill and have never receive jail terms for their crimes, only punative fines, amounting to fractions of the profits they received selling these poisons.

Astoundingly the oil companies have been given free reign to tresspass anywhere they please, drill and frack at will, pump unknown carcinogenic and neurotoxic chemicals with no government oversite, right next to your ground water, this while given tax subsidies and grants.

Companies like Monsanto the drug company that over its history has been found guilty of repeatedly lying to the world about the toxic effects of agent orange, DDT ,PCB's and other products, are now taken at their gospel that GMO's are safe and not polluting and destroying our food supply.

Even the war profiteers have sway and influence over the direction of US foreign policy , wars and conflicts and who receives US made military armnaments.

America has been overrun by corporate state fascism.

Legend 2 years 39 weeks ago
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Quote Zenbrarian:
Quote zapdam.:

Zenbrarian

Talking about stupid, obviously i'm too stupid to proof read my posts before i upload them. Anyone want to be my proof reader?

A backhanded insult, Zap? No harm. If I've offended you in some way, please forgive me.

As you state, we could possibly be the "stupidest fucking electorate" on the planet. How else could you explain the Republican nominee? I don't have any explanation for this phenomenon other than the majority of those who identify as Republican feel they've been ignored, manipulated, or marginalized by those who were elected to represent them. In turn, the collective majority of Republicans stupidly voted for the person who deviated from the political norm.

Since the 60s (the decade I was born), things have progressively gotten worse. We could blame many things for our demise, but we'd only be scratching the surface, I fear. It goes much deeper than Reaganomics, the marriage of religion & politics, Citizens United, attempts to roll back the Civil Rights' gains, warmongering to bring about democracy, the list goes on. I believe it goes to the core of how we define ourselves as a people. We have bought in to the idea that we as a nation are superior to all others on the planet. That we are entitled to do as we please anywhere, anytime, to anyone. To make things worse, this only applies if you are male and white. The rest of us are required to put up or shut up. In an age where money speaks louder than the majority can we expect anything different?

It is obvious where the money went for your generation. Straight into the 1% pockets. YOu got nothing and they got huge increases. And your generation sits back and does nothing about it.

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Zenbrarian 2 years 39 weeks ago
#28

I know all this Zap. I've a BS in Environmental Science and MLIS. I've worked in medical research labs, hospital labs, and currently as a research librarian. Nothing that you stated is news to me, but am glad that you are familiar with the research. Not many people can put down their devices (and bad attitudes) long enough to figure out what's going on right under their noses.

So I guess what I'm saying is, if you'd like to have a civil discussion and exchange ideas that would be nice. However, if you want to talk down to me and act as if I'm too stupid to realize the world hasn't changed since the 60s then I'll bow out now.

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#29

Zenbrarian

quote " if you want to talk down to me and act as if I'm too stupid to realize the world hasn't changed since the 60s then I'll bow out now." the answer is no i definiately do not want to talk down to you, so please if i've given you that impression , i'm very sorry. I know i come across as arrogant and intolerable, something i'm not proud of and wish i could learn to express myself in a much acceptable way.

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Robindell 2 years 39 weeks ago
#30

The emphasis is on pratical skills and on making money, not on understanding history, different cultures, and world events. Most people do not keep up with statistics on income distribution, and the public schools do a God-awfui job in presenting this data to their students. Middle class people, many of whom claim to be Christians, do not care about the economic problems of others. When people go on the Internet, they have trouble seeing the difference between sites run by political hacks and those which offer more in-depth reporting or thoughtful, factually relevant analysis. The information explosion in the "information age" no doubt complicates matters, because there is so much more to sort through and select from. People are tired from having to work long hours, sometimes at two jobs. My father years ago worked full-time, and then had part-time work, either preparing income taxes for people, or working some nights and weekends doing accounting for a shopkeeper. What you always leave out in your commentary is something that one Ph.D. as well as many journalists have made note of: that the ethnic and racial demographics in America are in the process of changing, so that white people will eventually no longer be in the majority, and the politics of these different up and coming groups will not favor the conservatives. We have a city which going back to the 1920s had at least two metal smelting plants which eventually went out-of-business. These plants were bulldozed down and were ground into the earth. Then, when there was a need for afforable housing, the city obtained the funding to build a large public housing complex on top and right next to the sites of these copper and lead plants. After many years of having thousands of residents in the area, both home-owners and public housing tenants, the EPA decides to do soil testing. It took them a year to let the residents know the results, which were high levels of lead and arsenic contamination. A caller to the Thom Hartmann Show referred to this story. The city's mayor declared that the public housing complex was too unsafe for anyone to live there, and over 1000 residents would have to move out by a deadline. Even though the government is providing the residents with housing vouchers, except for one person who voluntarily moved out before the mayor said that the complex would have to be torn down and thus will not receive any government subsidies toward new housing and is living in her vehicle, many of the residents cannot find anyplace else that is safe and that they can afford to move to. A poverty law organization has filed a civil rights complaint with HUD against the city and its public housing authority. Part of the complaint is against HUD itself, for not providing enough assistance to the residents, but yet HUD is the agency that investigates violations of the Fair Housing Act. I do not live in this city, but I have complained about this whole situation to my members of Congress, and others should also call them up and mention the West Calumet Public Housing Complex and the lead and arsenic contamination in East Chicago, IN.

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zapdam. 2 years 39 weeks ago
#31

"two metal smelting plants which eventually went out-of-business. These plants were bulldozed down and were ground into the earth. Then, when there was a need for affordable housing, the city obtained the funding to build a large public housing complex on top and right next to the sites of these copper and lead plants."

" many years of having thousands of residents in the area, both home-owners and public housing tenants, the EPA decides to do soil testing. It took them a year to let the residents know the results, which were high levels of lead and arsenic contamination."

Lets see the mayor and city council approved this project, city planning department , the experts gave it a go ahead, the state and governor provided partial money,hundreds of millions dollars ended up wasted, the news papers and media triumpantly announced it, millions of citizens cheered and not one person said is there a possibility of the ground this project is being built on being contaminated by a 80 years of an industrial smelter.

I rest my case, 'hello stupid America is anyone home'.

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