Garbage in, Garbage outThat old computer programmer’s ode sums up how America now chooses its leaders.

How did Donald Trump win and what does that say about the future of America? No need to revisit all the reasons Trump is manifestly unfit to be president (though here’s a handy refresher.) The question is how so monumental a troll was able to hijack, smash and smash and bypass the filters supposedly in place to protect the nation from some reckless buffoon conning his way to power.

Another way to ask this question is to start by acknowledging that yes, certainly, of course, a wide swath of Americans felt deep unease and were searching for a change agent, and Hillary Clinton failed to connect. But how in hell did Donald Trump manage to successfully present himself as the solution?

The obsolescence of facts

When Obama managed to pull out the last election, the late, great New York Times media critic David Carr noted that “as the campaign draws to a close, it’s clear that it was the truth that ended up a smoldering wreck.” How prophetic that sounds today. If Trump’s campaign was not to be powered by facts, then what would take their place? Spectacle, posturing, emotion, appeals to base instincts and pack behaviour. It all sounds so pre-industrial, and yet the delivery system is as fresh, gleaming and digital as Facebook.

Indeed, two days before Trump’s victory, the website Vox put it this way in a headline: “Facebook is harming our democracy and Mark Zuckerberg needs to do something about it.” The piece asserts that “Facebook makes billions of editorial decisions every day. And often they are bad editorial decisions — steering people to sensational, one-sided, or just plain inaccurate stories. The fact that these decisions are being made by algorithms rather than human editors doesn’t make Facebook any less responsible for the harmful effect on its users and the broader society.”

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Facebook’s labyrinth of echo chambers even has attracted, as Buzzfeed exposed, a cottage industry in Macedonia where teens make money manufacturing fake stories to feed Trump supporters.

Facebook, always eager to say that it is a tech firm rather than a media company so as to insulate itself from any responsibility for the sludge in its pipes, got back to Vox, saying “it’s important that we keep improving our ability to detect misinformation.” Yes, please do.

So Trump benefited mightily from the feast of paranoia that Facebook and other web platforms provide to their kool-aid drinking denizens largely out of view. But even in the bright light of day, in our supposed digital town squares, Trump bent the mediums to his own demented ends. A creature of reality TV, he received billions of dollars in free media as CNN, Fox and other networks. He goosed them with tweets and fed them hours of rallies spellbinding for their oafish hatefulness.

The myth of party ‘leadership’

Bruce Bartlett, who advised Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, last night succinctly identified where we’ve arrived, tweeting: “The lesson of this election is that when the media normalize racism, sexism, fascism, lying & stupidity, it has political consequences.” Later, he tweeted: “I am not just upset by tonight’s results. I am upset that everything I know about politics & public policy is worthless. Idiocracy rules.”

THE ABOVE COPIED from http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/11/08/Garbage-in-Garbage-out/

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Legend 2 years 35 weeks ago
#1

What you have is a poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing by the 1% owned and operated mainstream media. I have said this many times and show me a rebutal. How do people like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones become successful? A poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing. How is Fox news so successful? A poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing. How do you elect Trump? A poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing.

Coalage1 2 years 35 weeks ago
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Or then again, there is another more plausible explanation as painstakingly laid out by Scott Alexander (a non-Trump supporter): http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/. Its a fairly long article so I will just post a few paragraphs.

Excerpts:

Now the votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him. You can read the Washington Post article, Trump Got More Votes From People Of Color Than Romney Did, or look at the raw data (source).

Trump made gains among blacks. He made gains among Latinos. He made gains among Asians. The only major racial group where he didn’t get a gain of greater than 5% was white people. I want to repeat that: the group where Trump’s message resonated least over what we would predict from a generic Republican was the white population.

Nor was there some surge in white turnout. I don’t think we have official numbers yet, but by eyeballing what data we have it looks very much like whites turned out in equal or lesser numbers this year than in 2012, 2008, and so on.

I stick to my thesis from October 2015. There is no evidence that Donald Trump is more racist than any past Republican candidate (or any other 70 year old white guy, for that matter). All this stuff about how he’s “the candidate of the KKK” and “the vanguard of a new white supremacist movement” is made up. It’s a catastrophic distraction from the dozens of other undeniable problems with Trump that could have convinced voters to abandon him.

When Democrats and Republicans alike over the last twenty years say that we are a nation of immigrants but that illegal immigrants threaten our security, or may be criminals or drug pushers, they’re met with yawns. When Trump says exactly the same thing, he’s Literally the KKK. As multiple sources point out, both Hillary and Obama voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which put up a 700 mile fence along the US-Mexican border. Politifact says that Hillary and Obama wanted a 700 mile fence but Trump wants a 1000 mile wall, so these are totally different. But really? Support a 700 mile fence, and you’re the champion of diversity and all that is right in the world; support a 1000 mile wall and there’s no possible explanation besides white nationalism?

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zapdam 2 years 35 weeks ago
#3

coalage

try trumps comments about Mexicans being rapists murderers and now having his administration riddled with white power racists. amazing how you try to bullshit your way past those comments or perhaps you you enjoyed watching trump mock disabled people, perhaps you enjoyed 'grab them by the pussy'. go to hell coalage your thinking is as old and out of date as you support of coal

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zapdam 2 years 35 weeks ago
#4

coalage perhaps you've turned a blind eye to all the racist attacks through out your country spurred on my a devout racist and his gang about to take over the white house.

Coalage1 2 years 35 weeks ago
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What racist attacks has Trump endorsed, or sanctioned? Be specific. Here is his quote about the illegals you are referring to:

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Are you denying that some of the illegal Meixcans have not committed serious crime in this country, including rape and murder? Notice he did not say all Mexicans. To any reasonable person, it just sounds anti- illegal immigrant.

Here is a plank from the Democratic Party platform in 1996 (courtesy of Mr. Alexander):

"We cannot tolerate illegal immigration and we must stop it. For years before Bill Clinton became President, Washington talked tough but failed to act. In 1992, our borders might as well not have existed. The border was under-patrolled, and what patrols there were, were under-equipped. Drugs flowed freely. Illegal immigration was rampant. Criminal immigrants, deported after committing crimes in America, returned the very next day to commit crimes again. President Clinton is making our border a place where the law is respected and drugs and illegal immigrants are turned away."

Gosh, one would think that a democrat must have written Trump's remarks for him seeing as how they are so similar.

Coalage1 2 years 35 weeks ago
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Here are the "hate crimes" statistics since the election: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/18/election-hate-crimes-hoaxes-hyperbole

Excerpts:

Several of the most prominent early reports of Trump-inspired violence against people of color were later admitted to be fabrications or directly contradicted by police statements. Pointing this out seems to really anger people, who assume my intent is discredit all such reports, or to deny that there's any bigotry among Trump supporters. Neither is true. Rather, I saw a lot of distortions being spread and a lot of people who were really scared. I heard from LGBT and Jewish and non-white friends of mine, in private communications and on social media, who honestly believed it was open season on them this week. And I didn't want to see people I care about fearing for their very lives and physical safety because of a massive amount of misinformation floating around.

This isn't helped by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which states that more than 400 hate crimes have been committed in America post-election. But the vast majority of the examples SPLC gives involve incidents like one elementary student telling another that he would be deported, or a white woman laughing at a black woman who overheard her saying racist things, or a man in a car yelling "fag" as he drove by a gay couple—things that may be intolerant, unkind, and legitimately scary for those targeted, but not what most people would conjure when they hear "hate crimes" or "hateful extremism." And pointing that out doesn't equate to condoning these acts, or dismissing the hurt and fear they inspire in people. It is simply an attempt to separate what is really happening.

The bottom line is that when it comes to physical aggression inspired by this election, we are looking at a little more than a dozen incidents reported, over a 10 day period, in a country of roughly 318.9 million people—none of which resulted in serious injuries. And these incidents vary widely in how much they can be attributed to politics, prejudice, and hate versus tempers, egos, and mental-health issues flaring along with the election results and our collective heightened emotional state.

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zapdam 2 years 35 weeks ago
#7

Coalage

donald Drump has repeatedly said he doesn't believe in climate change, the most dangerous calamity facing mankind today, instead he believes that this is a conspiracy by the Chinese to screw over America. Now try and bullshit us some more on how i can't believe my lying eyes.

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zapdam 2 years 35 weeks ago
#8

Donald Drump just appointed Stephen Bannon a known racist, anti Jew , homophobe to his presidential team, a man who shouldn't be allowed beyond the front gates of the White House.

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zapdam 2 years 35 weeks ago
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I watched Donald Drump mock disabled people, tell me again how i can't believe my lying eyes.

Copycat 2 years 35 weeks ago
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Quote Legend:

What you have is a poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing by the 1% owned and operated mainstream media. I have said this many times and show me a rebutal. How do people like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones become successful? A poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing. How is Fox news so successful? A poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing. How do you elect Trump? A poorly educated population that is subject to brainwashing.

I think Legend is spot on. Thanks to Regan and Clinton, 6 corporations now own >90% of US media outlets (TV, newspapers, magazines, radio, Internet sites) and they all have no obligation to inform for the public good and an explicit legal obligations to maximize shareholder profits by any means. The concentration of media outlets by so few and the fact that the public doesn't even know what the fairness doctrine was, what it required from our media, the fact that it was voided, or what is now not regulated, leaves the people in a position of blind trust of an unregulated manipulative commercial fog with a consistent message dictated by shareholder profit and a common agenda. The public doesn't even understand that the hundreds of news outlets bombarding our lives are just an intentionally constructed illusion of choice. Therefore, a well funded, easily accessible government press is essential to inform the public for the public good. Surely lifting of the fairness doctrine mandates it. Since the first amendment protects both speech and press and these rights have been extended to corporations then why are these rights not extended to our government? It makes no sense to me that corporations are legally defined as persons, parasites and predators but they are being protected from us. Why isn't the government extended this description of a person with rights and protections and an obligation to we the shareholders? Government funding of independent press is essential for insuring that the we the shareholders are accurately informed and able to make informed decisions at the polls.

Legend 2 years 35 weeks ago
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Copycat is spot on. Iheart radio (formerly Clear Channel) has 850 radio stations and is owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romny). It spews right wing radio over the nation. Many places that is all that they have. CBS is the second largest radio station owner. If you listen to right wing radio, or watch Fox News stop. Even NPR has been ruined with Koch money. Re-evaluate your news sources. Try Democracy Now. Watch Free Speech TV. Watch Rachael Maddow. You may not like her but I challenge you to debunk her. She is well researched. She certainly does not have to repeat "Fair and Balanced" 500 times per day until you believe it. Pay attention to Media Matters.org a site devoted to fact checking Fox News and others. Listen to Hartmann. I listen to podcasts a great source for commercial free news. ITunes has an incredible choice of podcasts. Look at Crooks and Liars. Avoid the Mainstream Media. The Republicans keep screaming about the liberal media to distract you from the fact that it is radically conservative and is owned and operated by the 1%.

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zapdam 2 years 34 weeks ago
#12

Copycat and Legend you're both spot on in your assessments. You can add buy a podcast membership or two from left wing sources like thomhartmann.com, stephaniemiller.com, billpressshow.com, mikemalloy.com, davidpakman.com, randirhodes.com, trofire.com, there are many other sources, plus buy a membership in freepeech.org, progressivevoices.com, bestoftheleft.com, democracynow.org.

Put up or shut up, unless you want to hear nothing but right wing hate radio. These above suggestions need your financial sponsorship either in the form of a yearly podcast purchase or a yearly donation. Without your financial help these news sources cannot survive. So it's up to you , put up or shut up.

Copycat 2 years 34 weeks ago
#13

Legend and Zapdam thank you both for the resources!

I'm furious at the lack of informed progressive policy Americans have exposure to. So here's another rant!The Commercial Media in this country is a Republican PR sewer of a RUSE ignoring critically important information while spewing negligent propaganda and misinformation and normalizing bigotry, all intended to manipulate voters to support political candidates and ideas that are tremendously destructive to the foundation of our democracy while massively lucrative for themselves and their billionaire owners. The very psyche of our society has intentionally been infected with their sabotaging rot. The ruse is so effective that our politicians who are in positions of great power fight viciously to deny even the dignity of having healthcare to our families because they either fear being crushed in the next election by a Citizens United backlash or they are themselves complicit. Either position is equally destructive not just to the foundation of our government but cruelly unjust to the security of the many. And they have no fear of being thrown out of office because our unfunded candidates progressive ideas and philosophies cannot be heard above the opposing money and media machine or, if briefly heard and ring popular then, without fail, repeatedly and systematically broken down and "analyzed" by an endless stream of talking head "experts" who legitimize each other and "just don't see how the numbers could ever support such a thing". They then broadcast their "expert analyses" nation wide over countless corporate tv and radio stations. And the people buy it and they sell it to their families and their churches and their employees. It's like Republican Amdro for Crist's sake. Even worse, intelligent, educated and well meaning democrats buy it too. I had a party member tell me to watch CSPAN if I really wanted to know what was going on in our government. Give me a break. Follow the money. The only difference with CSPAN is the delivery, not the message. How can our justice system (or what remains of it) allow this imbalance of massively destructive power to continue and expect to survive at all? One thing that should be clear to everyone is that Citizen United contributors are the 1% which own US Commercial Media which acts only in their best interests. Period. Don't kid yourself into believing that they aren't in this for the long game. Back biting, infighting name calling, whose honest, who lied and finger pointing between shows and stations are all an ad-libed reality script ruse with the substance of a soap opera. Just another distraction from the criminal takeover of our government by the wealthiest people on the planet. Any momentary pretense of authentic integrity In an effort to reaffirm their mirage of objectivity may slow them but is designed to ultimately stop us from changing the status quo, they have been at this for a long time. As Thom Hartmann says, "republicans are playing chess and Democrats are playing checkers". And we now have an unapologetic fascist president who is surrounding himself with bigots and polititions who have spent their entire careers working to oppress civil rights & privatize our social programs.

I just do not know when to stop or how to stop saying it. The truth remains that we must have easy to understand, accessible, accurate information for our government to survive. These crooks would not have a chance with an informed public who actually had a legitimate opportunity to cast a protected vote, no matter how much money the 1% spent.

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zapdam 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Quote copycat , "The Commercial Media in this country is a Republican PR sewer of a RUSE ignoring critically important information while spewing negligent propaganda and misinformation and normalizing bigotry, all intended to manipulate voters to support political candidates and ideas that are tremendously destructive to the foundation of our democracy while massively lucrative for themselves and their billionaire owners. The very psyche of our society has intentionally been infected with their sabotaging rot".

Copycat these 'rich' are mostly sociopaths, spewing sociopathic rhetoric turning normally empathetic Americans into selfish self centered 'secondary sociopaths'. Teaching Americans contrary to of one of the most important teachings of JESUS and all religions ,that we are all our brothers and sisters keepers. These unfeeling corporatist fascists who worship money, are truly the ANTICHRIST.

Coalage1 2 years 34 weeks ago
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No BS...just the facts. I can't help you if you don't want to believe the numbers. If climate change is the number one problem facing mankind, how come it consistently ranks outside of the top ten in the priorities of the voters?

Wait...let me guess. Its because they are stupid and uninformed.

And we all know about how Bill Clinton took a cigar to Monica Lewinsky right outside the oval office. Yet he survived impeachment proceedings. Your selective outrage is falling on deaf ears.

rs allen 2 years 34 weeks ago
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"No BS...just the facts. I can't help you if you don't want to believe the numbers. If climate change is the number one problem facing mankind, how come it consistently ranks outside of the top ten in the priorities of the voters?

Wait...let me guess. Its because they are stupid and uninformed." end quote

Finally you got something right. Let me see and weight this.....thinking......thinking......thinking. Ah ah, I've got it! Riiiight they don't know how to read a thermometer or even what one is. Now I do have to admit that is truely stupid. Well said dirty coal.

Coalage1 2 years 34 weeks ago
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RS...keep telling your democratic nominees to keep repeating that mantra of "we're smart and you're stupid".

Let me know how that works out for nominees going forward.

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zapdam 2 years 34 weeks ago
#18

Coalage there's no doubt you're living proof that America has the 'stupidest f^<king electorate on the planet. Like your fellow right wingers you seem to proudly wallow in your stupidity. Willfully stupid people, proud to have just elected the most dangerously incompetent person ever to take the reins of government.

Coalage1 2 years 34 weeks ago
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You are just like your buddy RS. When you got no rational response, you resort to name calling. Typical progressive...

Since you guys aren't smart enough to answer a simple question, I'll help you out and do it for you. The left has been crying "the sky is falling" for most of my adult lifetime, and they have been wrong just about 100% of the time.

Lets start with peak oil. Back in the 70's and 80's, the world was going to run out of oil if we didn't take drastic measures to conserve. Wrong. Same thing for natural gas. Wrong again. GMO foods? There is not any evidence that there is anything wrong with GMO foods. Wrong again. Over population? You might be able to make a feeble attempt that there might be a problem in some parts of the world, but nothing like was predicted by leftists like Paul Ehrlich. Just like the old fable, if you keep crying wolf, eventually nobody pays any attention. I think just about everyone agrees the earth has warmed some. The problem comes as to what to do about it.

But thats okay....you keep trying. Sooner or later the law of averages will work in your favor and you find some environmental cause that perhaps everybody can get behind.

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
#20

This explains it in terms that you might understand Coal.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/18/video-trump-and-power-fear/214528

They repeat it over and over. A very effective brainwashing technique for a gullible population.

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gumball 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Quote Legend:

This explains it in terms that you might understand Coal.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/18/video-trump-and-power-fear/214528

They repeat it over and over. A very effective brainwashing technique for a gullible population.

Yeah, those stupid hillbilies! They believe this crap about stagnant wage, spiking health care costs, manufacturing plants being moved over seas, 11-12 million illegal imigrants driving down entry level wages. Can they not see how great the middle class has done with globalism????

Those idiots are just blinded by their bigotry/homophobia/transphobia/racism/sexism/misogyny/Islamophobia.

rs allen 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Then why doesn't that poo poo decimated white middle class (you know).....just pull themselves up by their own boot straps instead of blaming 'all the others' for their misfortune?

It must be a simple thing to do because I've been hearing that mantra forever from white america.

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
#23

Who creates globalism?

Coalage1 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Who creates globalism? Good question...ask Hillary and Obama. Or maybe Merkel. They are all for it. I'm sure they can answer your question. Probably some republicans somewhere that support it too.

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
#25

So Globalism is something you blame on Obama? Was NAFTA part of globalism?

Globolism

The chart nosedives in 2000 (Bush) and starts back up about 2008 (Obama). It would be nice if Coalage, Tomdorr and DianeReynolds posted facts and not gibberish.

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zapdam. 2 years 34 weeks ago
#26

NEVER FORGET, NAFTA was created in the mid 1989's by Ronald Reagan and conservative leaders in Mexico and Canada. By the time Clinton to office, NAFTA was already a done deal, Reagan/ HW Bush had already held a ceremonial signing.

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zapdam. 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Legend.... Facts never entered into the election of Drumpf so why would TomDorr, Diane, Coalage be encumbered by facts.

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TomDorr 2 years 34 weeks ago
#28

Zap: I do respect the facts. They are not "encumbering". Facts concerning the negative effects of the ACA, illegal immigrants, and illigitimacy and their negative effects on the middle class are ignored by the far left.

Hillary's Democratic solutions had no promise for the middle class, particularly in terms of trade agreements, immigration, the economically unsustainable ACA, and supporting fringe groups outside of the mainstream.

The middle class will always do well if unencumbered by taxes and having to endure the burden of irresponsible individuals who are reproductive without being economically productive. They do not have to pull themselves up with their own bootstraps as long as they are not forced to pull others up by theirs.

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zapdam 2 years 34 weeks ago
#29

TomDorr one of the reasons you pay an unfare tax burden , isn't because of the so called ' nanny state ' , those Mexicans and those Blacks , that you continually rail at, it's the fact that the republican party has slashed personal taxes on the super wealthy by more than 50% and 60% of their corporations pay no taxes at all. In fact companies like billionaire Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, not only do not pay taxes , they legally cook the books and receive huge rebate cheques from the US government, such are the unfair tax laws that exist in your country. All the above brought to you by the right wing, you just voted into power once again.

rs allen 2 years 34 weeks ago
#30

And of course 'we all know' the white in this country has always been at a huge, a hugely big, disadvantage and they have always had to fight so hard for any toe hold against enormous odds. Give me a f'kn break.

Go to hell white nationalist.

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
#31

Zap, Tomdorr cannot figure out why Trump did not release his taxes. Or noticed that when Romney released his taxes he had paid 13% and only released 2 years. Hilary released 30 years of taxes because she had nothing to hide. He rails against her and takes it in the ass from the wealthy 1%. Fox News and his right wing radio has him brainwashed. He offers no fact, just his brainwashed opinion.

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gumball 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Quote Legend:

So Globalism is something you blame on Obama? Was NAFTA part of globalism?

Globolism

The chart nosedives in 2000 (Bush) and starts back up about 2008 (Obama). It would be nice if Coalage, Tomdorr and DianeReynolds posted facts and not gibberish.

You can "blame" the establishment of both parties.

Legend 2 years 34 weeks ago
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Quote gumball:
Quote Legend:

So Globalism is something you blame on Obama? Was NAFTA part of globalism?

Globolism

The chart nosedives in 2000 (Bush) and starts back up about 2008 (Obama). It would be nice if Coalage, Tomdorr and DianeReynolds posted facts and not gibberish.

You can "blame" the establishment of both parties.

I should have added Gumball, also.

Legend 2 years 33 weeks ago
#38

Tomdorr, you never answered why you are a pround Union worker that votes for the Republican Party that destroys Unions??????

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zapdam 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Legend

I've been waiting for TomDorr to give his take on the relevance of unions in the 2016 work place.

rs allen 2 years 33 weeks ago
#40

Give the dorme-me-me-me a history lesson guys.

I'd do it but he turns my stomach and sours my mood.

rs allen 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Ya know guys over the last few days I've been thinking about it and I don't believe this dorme-me-me-me creature has been anywhere close to a union much less be the president of a chapter or even a shop steward. He's just so ignorant of even the basics.

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zapdam 2 years 33 weeks ago
#42

rs allen

This is a comment i posted to Legend. TomDorr is either a fraud dressed up as a long time unionist representative or his memory is to foggy or he's become to selfish, to realize the unionist force that made his life so much better than 80% of American workers who aren't union members. His life made better by collective bargaining with powerful bottom line corporate owners, democracy in the work place, his higher than average income, his security of employment, the safety of union enforced government legislation, his retirement pension, his add on like dental, medical, ALL these unavailable to non union members unless they are at the mercy of the kindness of a benevolent company owner.

Legend 2 years 33 weeks ago
#43

I agree. Tomdorr is a union member fraud and is using it to Troll on this site. He has never once posted a fact or reference. Just his right wing media slanted opinion.

http://wordsofdissent.com/why-republicans-hate-unions-they-are-a-threat-...

Coalage1 2 years 33 weeks ago
#44

You mean as opposed to your left wing media slanted opinion?

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Upgrayedd 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Quote Legend:

Iheart radio (formerly Clear Channel) has 850 radio stations and is owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romny). It spews right wing radio over the nation. Many places that is all that they have.

Anecdotal evidence from Los Angeles: 10 years ago right wing radio was EVERYWHERE on the AM dial. It is a fraction of that in 2016 (actually for several years now.)

Legend 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Quote Upgrayedd:
Quote Legend:

Iheart radio (formerly Clear Channel) has 850 radio stations and is owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romny). It spews right wing radio over the nation. Many places that is all that they have.

Anecdotal evidence from Los Angeles: 10 years ago right wing radio was EVERYWHERE on the AM dial. It is a fraction of that in 2016 (actually for several years now.)

Do you have any reference for that? Facts do not seem to support that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_talk_radio

Per the Reference a lot has moved to FM due to a better signal. Also Limbaugh has decreased in popularity but a large number of new hosts have flooded the market. I would say that the 8 year administration has increased right wing hate radio dramatically.

Legend 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Quote Coalage1:

You mean as opposed to your left wing media slanted opinion?

You mentioned it. So explain to us what Left Wing Media is. Try and use some references, facts and comparisons to right wing media.

Legend 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Dirty Coalage should like this guy!

Coalage, you never commented on this??????

Coalage1 2 years 33 weeks ago
#49

No one in the coal industry paid much attention to Wilbur Ross. He does not have a coal background and did not grow up in the industry as a lot of other coal executives did. He is just a business man who decided that coal might be a good investment. I frankly don't know enough about him to comment.

CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, New York Times, Washington Post, LA TImes, Seattle Times,NBC, ABC, CBS, the Nation, Mother Jones ....to name a few. And don't give me that nonsense that they aren't "really left leaning". Of course they are and everybody knows it.

Heck, the Food Channel probably leans left too.

Legend 2 years 33 weeks ago
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Quote Coalage1:

No one in the coal industry paid much attention to Wilbur Ross. He does not have a coal background and did not grow up in the industry as a lot of other coal executives did. He is just a business man who decided that coal might be a good investment. I frankly don't know enough about him to comment.

CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, New York Times, Washington Post, LA TImes, Seattle Times,NBC, ABC, CBS, the Nation, Mother Jones ....to name a few. And don't give me that nonsense that they aren't "really left leaning". Of course they are and everybody knows it.

Heck, the Food Channel probably leans left too.

CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, LA TImes, Seattle Times,NBC, ABC, CBS, Are owned and operated by the 1%. Do you really believe that the 1% are left leaning? If you do I have a bridge to sell you. NPR and PBS use to be public and government funded. Then they got cut off and the Koch Brothers stepped in. Now they control the content. The Nation, Mother Jones come on what percentage are they? The Nation 145000 weekly circulation. I will have to pay more attention to it. You are a complete sucker for the right wing screaming about the Liberal Media when it barely exists. Just like Fox News repeats "Fair and Balanced" a hundred times a day it is a brainwashing technique. You hear it enough you believe it.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/16538-the-corporate-dictatorship-o...

You failed to mention the part where Wilbur Ross owned a coal mine that had been cited for 208 major safety violations and soon after 12 miners died. Did he go to jail? You probably did not read the article. It was several paragraphs long.

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Join me for an exciting Bermuda getaway aboard Oceania Cruises, the world’s leading culinary and destination-focused cruise line. Set sail on the reimagined Insignia for 7 nights beginning July 25th 2020. Take advantage of Oceania Cruises’ OLife Choice promotion, where you can choose shore excursions, a beverage package, or onboard credit – Oceania Cruises also includes Wifi! You'll also receive complimentary gratuities, a $50 onboard credit and two exclusive cocktail parties. Did I mention we are planning special onboard events with yours truly? Prices start at $1199.

Reserve your stateroom today by contacting Keene Luxury Travel, and mention the Thom Hartmann Group 800.856.1155

What Do Democrats Really Want?

Thom plus logo Thomas Friedman, the confused billionaire, told us decades ago that "free trade" is what made the Lexus a successful product when, in fact, it was decades of Japanese government subsidies and explicit tariffs that did so.