It's been suggested that traveling to cheaper countries for health care .Truth is though if you're sick , you'll be in no shape to fly. Plus to to Asia where it's cheaper and competent, the first leg of the trip is 13 hours in the air just from LA , and for a cancer patient or stroke or heart condition, they might just expire in transit. Plus to enter these countries, passports, visa's and 'no previous run in with the law' would be required, Plus with the US reported a median personal income of $30,240 before taxes, how do you save for that $100,000 cancer treatment or even at discount the $50,000 bypass surgery. Plus there's much needed support from family or friends,much needed when you're sick , then hotel accommodation for god only knows how long, because in most cases you'll be to sick to immediately fly and that's after being released by the hospital. Plus for many mobility is a big problem. Not to mention the fear of flying especially over 13 hours in the air or just the fear of being away from your country and loved ones especially when you're sick and death could be loomimg, in a far away foreign land.

I get it, its being done by hundreds if not thousands of people, but i'd venture to say that for the most part it's elective surgery, like cosmetic etc. Not only that, WHY should an American have to fly half way around the world to a foreign country they've never seen before or speak the language, JUST to receive what should be a right , that being proper health care, that doesn't need credit or endless hoops to jump through before approval .

Why should a spouse have to decide between death and selling their home and leaving their love ones destitute or deeply in debt, just to receive proper healthcare treatment to live or be one of the 40 thousand uninsured Americans that die each year of treatable illness. You know what's sick, the systems sick, Americas society is sick , for allowing this to continue or even start in the first place. From what the republicans are now saying it's about to get much much worse.

Americans suffer , Americans die and needlessly ,all for the 'all mighty buck', so some sociopath corporatist CEO can look good in front of his or her sociopath shareholders and take home their salary of a million bucks a month, their blood money.


Legend 1 year 22 weeks ago

Right now America is in the process of making medical care worse. You can embarrass Republicans by dyeing in the street. Or you can change the system. The deck is stacked against us. It certainly did not help that the American population has voted in a Republican Congress, Senate, Supreme Court and Putins Puppet. The AMA limits the supply of Doctors in America to keep demand high. So I have said decrease demand by taking it overseas. No it will not work in every case. But will work in many cases. When the government sees TV ads for medical care in Cuba with airplane tickets for $200 they will begin to see the light. Cuba is a exporter of highly qualified Doctors. They can generate income in the country from it. If you do not want Cuba you can go to Panama, another country with excellent care. Medicare does not cover dental and it is not hard to go over $3000 in America. You can fly to Panama for $470 from the heartland, pay $1000 for the dental work and pocket $1500. Once Dentists start seeing TV ads for dental work in Panama things might change. You can also go to Mexico or Costa Rica for the same. What we need to bring medical costs down is good old capitalistic competition. The prices for pharmaceuticals are artificially high. Legalize mail order purchases from overseas and watch them drop. That will not happen with the pharmacy lobbyists lining the pockets of the Republicans. This is not Canada. We have a stupid system. We have to fight it since politicians will not work for us or the stupid American population votes Republican.

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zapdam 1 year 22 weeks ago


You have a good point when talking of health care services in Cuba. Cuba is cash strapped due to the unfair 60 year US embargo, but during those years Cuba has developed one of the highest educated citizenry in the western hemisphere, this has spilled over into an over abundance of high skilled doctors. With a little vision Cuba, 90 miles off America's coast, could be the answer to an American health care system in critical condition.

Legend 1 year 22 weeks ago

They export Doctors to other countries and Cuba was a leader in the fight against Ebola in West Africa. They have cancer medicines that we do not have. Flights are reasonable. If they started advertising on TV it would open some eyes.

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zapdam 1 year 22 weeks ago

Legend i've been thinking about what you posted since i read it and i agree , until a reasonable liberal democratic government finally if ever gets majority control of your government like republicans have now, CUBA would be an excellent alternative to being mistreated in America by the HMO health system. Plus my understanding is HMO's are more than happy to pay for health care outside of the US if it saves them money.

Trouble is , with this right wing super majority government about to take power, they might just rescind Obama's Cuban initiatives and go back to the old dark days, then this whole optimistic conversation might be for nothing.

Such is the fate when you are dealing with right wing subversives, whose whole purpose of existence is to make government disfunctional, so in the fog of disfunction and confusion, their super wealthy backers can continue to loot your country, and further dig their talons of power into every facet of American society.

Legend 1 year 22 weeks ago

We are definitely in reverse. Every day gets worse. Cuba is one option. If you look at that site that I posted for Panama dental (post 1) it is significant savings over American dentists. Dental is not covered by Medicare so if you need a vacation and need dental work I would recommend it. Nice beaches.

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Robindell 1 year 22 weeks ago

Sarah Palin said that she could see Russia from her Alaskan home. I live near one of the Great Lakes. When I look north, I can't see Canada, but I am looking directly toward it. Some have said that some Canadians with certain medical conditions come to the U.S. to seek treatment at major medical centers which are usually teaching hospitals. But you said that the Canadian system would not pay for treatment in a foreign country. What maybe has been implied is that if a certain type of treatment or procedure is not available in Canada, a patient could then request for an exception and go to another country where the service is available. There are new treatments for some serious illnesses which are not even widely available in the U.S., a country which does have advanced hospitals and medical research. As scientifically advanced as a country such as Canda is, I wonder if there are not some limitations or lacks when it comes to some rare conditions or more complex operations or experimental drugs. There is a newer imaging test for prostrate cancer that gives a clearer prognosis of the type and stage of cancer, but from what I heard, it is only available in some major medical centers. Not everyone lives near a hospital that is part of a medical school or where residents are being trained.

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Roland de Brabant 1 year 22 weeks ago

Hi Robindell,

I think the procedures you alluded to are generally called Cosmetic Surgery, which is not insurable in the US.


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TomDorr 1 year 22 weeks ago

The vast majority of persons in this great nation have access to the greatest health care system the world has ever known. No one is denied basic health care for emergencies, despite cries to the contrary.

Claims that U.S. citizens are dying on the street are absurd.

There are clinics, emergency rooms, and charity treaters that cover everyone.

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k. allen 1 year 22 weeks ago

(TomDorr - #8)
"The vast majority of persons in this great nation have access to the greatest health care system the world has ever known. No one is denied basic health care for emergencies, despite cries to the contrary."

"Claims that U.S. citizens are dying on the street are absurd."

"There are clinics, emergency rooms, and charity treaters that cover everyone."

Mr. D., we live on the same planet - in very different worlds ... the fact that you do not see something does not mean it simply is not so.

Thank goodness the cosmos swims in more than one dimension.

Legend 1 year 22 weeks ago

Some facts for tom(nofacts)dorr. A wide choice.

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Dianereynolds 1 year 22 weeks ago

Be very careful if you expect your US based healthcare provider to cover your expenses for care provided in a foreign country. You may be in for a surprise.

Legend 1 year 22 weeks ago

Actually most will gladly pay because it is much less for them. My daughter was born overseas and they paid. But if you look at the cost for heart surgury what you may pay overseas can be less that you deductible in the USA. Especially if you are on a plan that you cover 20%. If you read my reference for Dental work in Panama, you can fly down, stay in a hotel, rent a car, get the treatment, spend a couple of days on the beach and fly home cheaper than you can have it done in the USA. This is for something as simple as a cap.

Legend 1 year 22 weeks ago
Quote TomDorr:

The vast majority of persons in this great nation have access to the greatest health care system the world has ever known. No one is denied basic health care for emergencies, despite cries to the contrary.

Claims that U.S. citizens are dying on the street are absurd.

There are clinics, emergency rooms, and charity treaters that cover everyone.

Here is how the ER Law passed by Reagan works. No on can be turned away from an ER. They may not give the best of care but will certainly charge the most of anyway possible. Let's use the Figure 0f $15000 just to walk in the door. They will treat you and charge you $15000. Then if you say that you cannot pay they will go after whatever they can get until you are bankrupt. Lets say they get $100 out of you. Then the $14900 loss is added as operating cost to the Hospital. Next time you Tom(nofacts)dorr go to the hospital a portion of that operating cost of $14900 goes on your bill. So the most expensive way possible is your solution. This law, passed by Reagan, also treats Ilegal immigrants.

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zapdam 1 year 22 weeks ago

Quote TomDorr "Claims that U.S. citizens are dying on the street are absurd" Studies show that 40 thousand uninsured Americans die each year of treatable illness Tom, those are facts and for you to deny it , further insults the memory those poor people who died needlessly because of 'deniers of truth' like you TomDorr.

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zapdam 1 year 22 weeks ago

By the way, my example of 'elective surgery' was weak to say the least. "Elective surgery or elective procedure (from the Latin eligere, meaning to choose[1]) is surgery that is scheduled in advance because it does not involve a medical emergency. Semi-elective surgery is a surgery that must be done to preserve the patient's life, but does not need to be performed immediately." Wikipedia

"Michael Shopenn’s surgery in 2007 would have cost close to $100,000 in the United States. But it cost just $13,660 — including all medicine, doctors’ fees and round-trip airfare — at a private hospital in Torhout, Belgium. The Belgian government regulates medical fees, though most doctors’ offices and hospitals are privately run."

“In the past few years, Americans are definitely more willing to go overseas and now appreciate that there is quality there, whereas seven years ago they didn’t have that perception,” said Jonathan Edelheit, the chief executive of the Medical Tourism Association, an industry group that supports and facilitates such travel." NY Times

So there you go America, an operation that costs $100,000 in America , costs less than fourteen thousand dollars in a modern European country, that includes like it says, flights to Europe, all medicines at a private hospital. So America, whose pockets is that 85 thousand dollar difference going into. Am i hearing 'fuck me' that's outrages. For a reference the average income of a citizen of Belgium is 59 thousand dollars, so we're not talking third world here, not by a long shot.

Legend 1 year 21 weeks ago

Mediacal Tourism, YES! I want to see ads on TV.

Legend 1 year 21 weeks ago

Colorado Congressman Mike Coffman (who runs on his record as a tough Marine) cuts and runs from his constituents at a meeting that he organized, because of his vote against Obamacare.

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