"An executive order drafted for President Donald Trump will pave the way to bring back Central Intelligence Agency black-site prisons, which were synonymous with torture during the War on Terror after September 11.

A draft of the three-page Detention and Interrogation of Enemy Combatants executive order has been obtained by The New York Times. The order would allow for a black site Detention Program – the holding of terrorism suspects in secret, foreign prison sites outside of domestic US legal jurisdiction – to be revived.

The order would rollback restrictions that President Barack Obama put on the handling of detainees and bar the Red Cross from getting access to prisoners of war. Obama's restrictions came in response to the torture of prisoners during the War on Terror under President George W Bush."

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Steven PBarrett 2 years 25 weeks ago
#1

What's this administration going to do to come up with some very creative (and they'll have to be yuuuugely so creative, in Donaldsprach, to "explain away" the next Abu Gharib when somebody who goes into these new Camp Trumps for Truth and doesn't come out alive or at least with enough brain cells working so as to sensibly say his or her own name? How do they expect this to go down on the "Arab street" and not produce more terrorists? It's a question the UK had to grapple with when it was having and causing its share of "Troubles" in Her Majesty's Government's first ever imperial colony, Ulster.

And what kind of "alternative facts" will Shawn Spicer come up with to diss away General Mattis' disgust after he just handed his papers in as the ultimate protest to policies he never signed on to in order to serve Team Trump.

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TomDorr 2 years 25 weeks ago
#2

Our problem was our press making these events public with a kind of "gleeful outrage".

If this stuff is not carelessly put out so the press could get it, it won't really matter to the Islamic Terrorists that might use this for alleged recruiting.

What they don't know can't hurt us.

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zapdam. 2 years 25 weeks ago
#3

'Well there you go again' as your hero Reagan would say TomDorr, i see you're OK with the torture, you just want the media to keep silent. Torturing and disappearing these people is OK , but don't tell anyone. TomDorr you never fail to disappoint me, you're the embodiment of everything that's wrong with Americans, an American sickness, a mental illness and you've got it TomDorr.

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zapdam. 2 years 25 weeks ago
#4

Steven PBarrett , you are absolutely correct, this announcement just increased recruiting for terrorism. First time Trumps torture centres becomes a reality, don't be surprised if multiple terrorists walk into Trump hotels and golf courses and blow themselves up, it's almost inevitable. Then what happens, immature unstable Trump orders nuclear weaons in retaliation. These are dangerous times and the US just elected the most unfit person ever to step into the position of president.

Gibbon 2 years 25 weeks ago
#5

He may not be fit to be president but I ASSure you he must have a TREEmendously large........................Brain Tumor..?

I'm already so sick and disgusted with this Sado-Masochistic, twisted, baby-banana republik and we're less than a week in! We are already back into the infantile Bush Horrors of Ignorance and stupidity -- which our wonderfully humanistic-Sounding president Obama never fully repudiated. He never closed Gitmo, Never brought ANYONE to be held Accountable for the Cheney / Blackwater Murders. Oh, he only allowed Chelsey manning to suffer until this May for telling US the Truth but none of the Killers abroad or domestic Banks were Every held to Account. This makes it So easy for these murdering, thieving, Criminals to slide right back into their Gestapo slots of Power. [Embarrassingly, I'm paraphrasing, of all people, Ted Nugent (and - while I despise his idiocy - I still love his Amboy Dukes guitar work):] Where's the Justice, Where's the Law..?

There seems to be an unbroken thread of evil from Reagan through to this very moment. We had reforms after Nixon but crickets after Bush. Now here we are wide open to the full penetration of not merely a tiny Trump but to all the True Evil he drug through the door with him.

Danger. Danger. Torture works if you have an agenda of Power to "legitimize". Everyone on my block is a Guaranteed Proven self-confessed Anti-American, Islamic Terrorist -- AND WITCHES!!! When I'm allowed to torture them long enough. I will get the answers I seek. And PROVE my claims -- no matter how insane. For Evil Fascists Torture DOES Work and Serves its function to solidify control. ABSOLUTE EVIL.

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zapdam. 2 years 25 weeks ago
#6

The screams from those tortured is good to satisfy the lust for brutality of the torturers, who i'm sure are carefully chosen for their psychopathic qualities, for these sicko's this is a perverted sexual act. Somehow people like Trump in their fantasy find some form of sexual relief from the act of brutality and the total control over another human being. How sick. The truth is if Trump were present at one of these torture sessions he'd vomit and run away like a little girl, scared off by the sight of true evil.

As for this republican regime that voter American apathy inflicted upon the world, Trumps but the talking head, in his case the babbling head, the dark suits who surround him are the real present danger, the evil you talk of, these people are truly maniacal cult members.

Gibbon 2 years 25 weeks ago
#7

That Devos woman, sister to spooky Erik Prince & all the military people are very scary. I think Trump imagines himself switching from real estate to where the big money is in the Military industry. But I believe you're right; Somewhere under all that plastic bully-boy bluster beats the heart of a spoiled coward.

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TomDorr 2 years 25 weeks ago
#8

ZAP: Our enemies torture for sport and chop heads off for their videos.

I don't see "waterboarding" or sleep deprivation as excessive if it gets information that saves lives.

I understand the Geneva convention, and it must be respected among combatants who are signatory to it. But radical Islamicists and ISIS are not.

You can't fight a kick-boxing, eye-gouging, no-holds barred opponent if you use Marquis of Queensbury rules and expect to be successful.

Fighting terrorism is not a game. Not something to be handicapped to give the "little guy (terrorist) a chance. Enhanced interrogation techniques against terrorists are not a problem in terms of recruitment if the press does not abet the enemy.

As Ronald Reagan said about his strategy of defeating the Communist Russian regime in the cold war: "It's simple-we win, they lose."

That said, I do not believe in torture or mistreatment of prisoners when in conflict with another nation signatory to the Geneva convention. However, the terrorist animals we are fighting now know no decency for human life or innocent civilaians, ant thus deserve no consideration when "enhanced interrogation" techniques (if approved by our generals, who know whether they are effective or not), will generate viable information that will save lives.

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zapdam. 2 years 25 weeks ago
#9

I don't see "waterboarding" or sleep deprivation as excessive if it gets information that saves lives." quote TomDorr. Tom 'there you go again' showing us all what a despicable person you are. " Enhanced interrogation" you must be channeling your hero Dick 'Black Heart' Cheney. So TomDorr, this means if Trump and Americans can do whenever, even torture if it pleases them , then the bad guy should have no qualms about torturing Americans, as a standard tit for tat, am i getting that right TomDorr. Then if its so effective, i bet you'd be all in favor of your local police using these methods, because you claim it works Tom. I think you'd be all in favor of your local policeforce, torturing the hell out of that 'black bastard', now wouldn't you Tom. How about if your son or grandson thought his wife was cheating, bet you'd be in favor of him torturing her too , now wouldn't you Tom. Tom so where does this all stop, because once you do the devils work , it's a very slippery slope. Tom you're a fraud, because you claimed many times here on this site, that you're a Christian, Tom, not only are you not a good Christian following the teachings of Jesus, but Tom you think like a demon and you're not even a very good human being. Shame on you Tom. Tom , Trump's definately your type of man. By the way TomDorr, i heard the perfect summation of your newest savior- TRUMP won, America zero.

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TomDorr 2 years 24 weeks ago
#10

Zap: Do you in any way understand the type of creatures we are fighting against in ISIS and others, who are not signatory to the Geneva Convention? Waterboarding and sleep deprivation causes no permanent physical damage, unlike beheading, burning people alive, and all of the other methods used by those who profess they are representing a religion of peace.

Be honest ZAP, if sleep deprivation against terrorists provided information that saved innocent American lives, would you be against it?

If our nations truly were as pacifistic as you believe Christianity is, Canada and the U.S. would be absolute totalitarian regemes run by "non-Christians.

If a group of Nazis were killing innocent Poles, Jews, and Czechs through slaughter, do you think simply turning the other cheek and praying for the Nazis to have a change of heart would be an adequate response? Put some more coals on the fire, Zap, I think your brain is frozen.

Legend 2 years 24 weeks ago
#11

This should be screaming headlines and on every TV Network. First soldier killed by Trump. In a raid in Yemen. First foot soldiers in Yemen. A raid for "information". Come on what could you possibly get. In the raid another soldier was injured and a $68 million Osprey aircraft was lost. Will Trump be in attendance when the soldiers body returns to Andrews? Will he attend the funeral with the soldiers parent?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/world/middleeast/american-commando-ki...

rs allen 2 years 24 weeks ago
#12

WW II, no matter what horrors the Nazi's were engaging in...........WE did not torture.

During WW II the Japanese systematicly tortured POW's............WE did not

In Korea, no matter whatever else the Chinese and N. Koreans did in that conflict........WE did not torture.

In Vietnam, as our POWs were tortured...........WE did not reciprocate in kind.

Take your torture and stick it where the sun doesn't shine white nationalist.

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zapdam. 2 years 24 weeks ago
#13

Quote TomDorr "ZAP, if sleep deprivation against terrorists provided information that saved innocent American lives, would you be against it?" Come on Tom, you know torture doesn't just stay at the level of sleep deprivation, that's just the warm up, the torture foreplay, so stop trying to minimize this monstrous indignity to human beings. By the way Tom ,who decides whose to be tortured , who are the guilty ones. Cheney/Bush rounded up hundreds of men that they systematically tortured at GITMO, 90% of those imprisoned and tortured turned out to be innocent and finally set free. But even America knew what they had done to these poor souls might had damaged them so deeply, they were now truly dangerous and possibly potential dangers to the US. So where does it Stop Tom. Tom people like you are quite sick, you're the Germans who stood by as Hitler gassed the Jews, you're the Stalinists that murdered millions in the great Soviet purges, youre the Khmer Rouge that systematically killed millions in Cambodia. You are evil Tom when you decide you become judge, jury , torturer and executioner and when you decide there are no rules of humanity.

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zapdam. 2 years 24 weeks ago
#14

"Vietnamese agency’s review of the affair, concluded that its counterespionage wing had overreacted and forced false confessions from many innocent people. It describes “waves of arrests...that caused us extremely regrettable losses and damage,” which were the result of “physical violence and torture, forcing people to make statements, putting words in their mouths, and then arresting everyone implicated by the suspects during torture.”

The PSS blamed the excesses on “professional immaturity,” according to the documents. Interrogators were driven by desperation to get quick results and to get ahead. “In almost every case,” the papers said, “there was...a personal motivating factor, because in all cases the erring cadre wanted to achieve a success for his own personal benefit.”

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TomDorr 2 years 24 weeks ago
#15

RS: If you don't hink we didn't torture previosly, I believ you are totally misinformed

It simply wasn't publicized my a media the dousn't wory about American interest in the world.

Also important: ISIS and other terrorists are not signatory to the Geneva Convention which barred torture.

If waterboarding and sleep deprivationworks, I'm all for it

Legend 2 years 24 weeks ago
#16

John McCain is against torture because he was tortured. Mad dog Mattis told Trump that you will get more information from a prisoner with a 6 pack of beer and a pack of cigarettes. Why lower our standard. If you believe in torture, where does it end? Should police use torture on civilians to investigate crime? Should business use torture against employees?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_States

rs allen 2 years 24 weeks ago
#17

re #15

Don't be an ass white nationalist, whatever isolated instantances you can find in any of those wars and conflicts, torture was not codified as a matter of law nor has been pardoned to this day.

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zapdam 2 years 24 weeks ago
#18

Legend

The right wing torture complusion isn't really about extracting information, it's more about violent dominance. Kind of the rapist psyche of the rape not really being about sex, but more about degrading the victim and exercising total control. Those who advocate torture are real sicko's and very stupid, do you hear that TomDorr.

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