I cannot believe as a senior on a limited income, Americans are still forced to pay even $121 a month plus 20% of the costs and that's only because " as one blogger, " Legend ' put it, " I studied the plans, because I am healthy and stay fit ".

I can't believe Americans have been so brainwashed, so programmed that they tolerate this horseshit and keep electing these same politicians that make sure things NEVER change except for the WORSE. Can you imagine any society allowing charlatans, crooks to profit off the aged, sick and the dying. Like one of Americas politician said, 'in U.S of A don't get sick , but if you do you need to die quickly'. What's even more astounding is Americans pay double what single payer health care costs for everyone in other countries, but a large percentage of US money goes into the pockets of corporatist CEO's and HMO padded expenses, so you pay more than your fair share of health care costs and get 'rationing' instead of what you actually deserve and paid for, just so blood sucking CEO's can make ten million dollars a year plus stock options.

WHEN is the revolution coming America? When are you going to take back your country? Oh wait you just elected eight years of more of the same , but this time it's crazier and much much worse. What the f^<k is wrong with you America.

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Legend 15 weeks 1 day ago
#1

Kind of difficult when you have ignorant people like Dianereynolds, Coalage, Gumball and Tom(no facts)dorr electing Putins Puppet. We are now in reverse at an accelerating pace. And it was voted for by the ignorant.

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Dianereynolds 15 weeks 10 hours ago
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Quote Legend:

Kind of difficult when you have ignorant people like Dianereynolds, Coalage, Gumball and Tom(no facts)dorr electing Putins Puppet. We are now in reverse at an accelerating pace. And it was voted for by the ignorant.

And leftie/socialists are making every day Christmas. Ten days to prepare for a new supreme court appointment, 14 federal appeals court judges, and 90 or so other federal judge appointments. Hopefully these appointments will not believe in giving a previously convicted criminals a "twentieth chance".

You like links, things for you to do today,

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438698/obama-releases-prisoners-gu...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421724/Revealed-The-murderers-g...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/03/crack-dealer-freed-early-under...

http://www.wthr.com/article/13-investigates-violent-criminals-released-t...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ice-releases-19723-criminal-illegals-2...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/once-a-criminal-always-a-criminal/

http://www.crimeinamerica.net/2010/09/29/percent-of-released-prisoners-r...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/03/23/pentagon-of...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/8/number-obama-released-git...

Legend 15 weeks 8 hours ago
#3

You keep repeating the judge thing. Democrats can filibuster and refuse to advise and consent just like the Republicans set the precedent in.

I personnally think that you should be ashamed that the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.

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Dianereynolds 15 weeks 7 hours ago
#4

Time will tell won't it? Don't put your money on Chuckie. Especially with a half dozen or so democrat senators up for re-election in states won by Trump. I suspect you can thank Harry Reid who set the table for President Trumps judicial picks.

BTW, I will continue the "judge thing" until they are all filled.

Legend 14 weeks 6 days ago
#5

The states that will be hurt the most by the repeal of Obamacare are Red States. Plus the devious bastards voted to hide the costs of repealing Obamacare. Bunch of honest white assholes that you elected.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/01/06/republicans-just-voted-hide-massiv...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dems-gop-trying-to-hide-costs-of-obama...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/05/obamacare-repeal-costs-3-million-lost-job...

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/04/news/economy/obamacare-repeal-deficit/

No comment on prisoners? You went to a lot of trouble. Forgot to mention that we are the only country with for profit prisons.

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TomDorr 14 weeks 6 days ago
#6

As a union member for 39 years who sacrificed (or those before me sacrificed) wages and working conditions for the "cadillac' health care that would have been destroyed by Obamacare, I am extremely happy that Obamacare will be dismantled and resurrected as something much more acceptable and less harmful to responsible working people.

Obamacare hurt working persons who already had insurance they liked.

RIP Obamacare. Good riddance!

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TomDorr 14 weeks 6 days ago
#7

Zap: I don't have to take back my country. I love it the way it is. I worked hard for 39 years for a living, I have great retirement benefits and healthcare. I also fought hard for it, as my railroad union predecessors did for 110 years.

Don't judge my country until you understand those who make up the middle /upper middle class workers who make it great.

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k. allen 14 weeks 5 days ago
#8

(TomDorr - #6)
"I am extremely happy that Obamacare will be dismantled and resurrected as something much more acceptable and less harmful to responsible working people.

Obamacare hurt working persons who already had insurance they liked.

RIP Obamacare. Good riddance!"

No kidding. By the time congress finished cutting down the ACA, chopping it into firewood and stacking it to dry- piled high along a long promised wall, it was unrecognizable, unworkable, and unworthy of the name, Obama.

Hey. It's the melting pot - right? ... oh, jahmbalayah ...!

So, sure. Let the band play on. I don't care who gets the credit, so long as we actually figure it out and get it done ... hopefully, without murdering and raping people into submission ... uhm, oh yeah,

... not likely ... maybe, for some who find a way to play along ...,

Uhm, ... along the way, do you think we could learn a new song - or, maybe even just ... turn the page ...?

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k. allen 14 weeks 5 days ago
#9

(TomDorr - #7)
"I worked hard for 39 years for a living, I have great retirement benefits and healthcare. I also fought hard for it, as my railroad union predecessors did for 110 years.

Don't judge my country until you understand those who make up the middle /upper middle class workers who make it great."

Mr. D. With due respect, you have worked, and fought hard for your station in life - no doubt you are a fine example for others who can grab that brass ring and really run with it.

Congratulations on your success.

It sounds like you enjoy a good life - a quality of life so many people covet, they leave family, home and country to pursue it here (( at great expense to others who have called this land home, since long before "our world" was even created .))

I don't deny that life in America can be good - sometimes too good for our own good ... I do find it interesting that you are so wrapped up in your own part of the whirled that you either do not see - or simply deny - other dimensions of the culture.

It's almost like the older working class merging into the American middle class becomes a working class aristocracy - mixing with deposed royalties, transient aristocracies, and educated elites who constitute other diverse branches of the middle class mother tree.

I think, by now, we may know such fringe elements of the human population tend to behave as though they know it all ... even when it becomes evident that, in fact, they do not. No one does.

You speak as though you know what you are talking about.

As a child of that hard working middle class on one side, and professional post-aristocratic affluence on the other, it seems to me that you can speak for yourself, but there are a lot of people, whose lives your analysis does not begin to address.

Hey. Nothing new about that. I don't presume to speak for you either.

I, for one, never could sit still for the idea that I could be/do/have what others cannot ... high tech medical procedures with card carrying 'Cadillac Care' Coverage ... to me, are cosmetic indulgences.

Life perpetually renews itself. Permaculture demonstrates how the living body (environment) renews itself, if humans stop undermining ecological equilibrium and make room for it to happen.

Legend 14 weeks 5 days ago
#10

Tom(nofacts)dorr has never explained his great American Union success story and why he now votes anti Union.

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Dianereynolds 14 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote Legend:

Tom(nofacts)dorr has never explained his great American Union success story and why he now votes anti Union.

Nobody "needs" to answer to you for their voting preferences. You like to put people in boxes and that thinking cost you more than you will ever grasp. Voters made their decisions based on a variety of positions and because you do not agree with them they must be wrong.

The leftie/socialist bunch appears now to be comprised of mean, negative, bitter individuals that will never accept the fact Obama's policies cost the Democrat party over 1000 legislative seats. ALL of which must have been lost because of voter fraud, election rigging, election fraud, disenfranchising voters, voter ID, glowball warming, or best of all "Russian hackers".

Legend 14 weeks 5 days ago
#12

You have responses for way less than 50% Dianne. Because you have no answer for so many.

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k. allen 14 weeks 5 days ago
#13

(Dianereynolds - #11)
"... Voters made their decisions based on a variety of positions and because you do not agree with them they must be wrong ... Obama's policies cost the Democrat party over 1000 legislative seats. ALL of which must have been lost because of voter fraud, election rigging, election fraud, disenfranchising voters, voter ID, glowball warming, or best of all "Russian hackers".

... all of that, and more, Diane ... just because you disagree does not mean they are wrong ... or, that you are wrong ... or they lost ... or you won.

This is the one that caught my eye:


"Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate."

"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realize that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."
(Vladimir Zhirinovsky)"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russian-trump-idUSKCN12C28Q

I wonder if wee people ever will embrace a government based more on mutual acceptance and consensus than competition and intimidation.

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Dianereynolds 14 weeks 5 days ago
#14

@k. allen

You are correct. Please my barbs are directed at three or four here that are either always correct or the couple that may be listed on the national registry as the most hypocritical individuals on earth. I especially love those that live out of the US and cannot write a positive thing about our country.

With respect to Russia.

If you caught Thom Hartmann's interview today with Stephen F. Cohen contributing editor to The Nation, you would have heard Thom get schooled on Trump's relationship with Russia. Eye opening to say the least.

It may be awhile before Professor Cohen is invited back.

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k. allen 14 weeks 5 days ago
#15

Thank you for that link, Diane - very timely. I did hear part - not all - of that interview. These pages should help fill in the gap. I was hoping Thom would include that conversation in his online archive - he often does. Professor Cohen's perspectives raise - and answer - important questions. Much appreciated.

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k. allen 14 weeks 5 days ago
#16

...!!

Legend 14 weeks 5 days ago
#17

I know that you detest facts and references Diane but suggest that you look at a few of these. Eric Trump kind of blew it early in the campaign. Now they cannot remember that. In time more will come out.

https://www.google.com/#q=eric+trump+russian+investors

Stephan F Cohen is a regular that is highly regarded by Thom.

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Dianereynolds 14 weeks 5 days ago
#18
Quote Legend:

I know that you detest facts and references Diane but suggest that you look at a few of these. Eric Trump kind of blew it early in the campaign. Now they cannot remember that. In time more will come out.

https://www.google.com/#q=eric+trump+russian+investors

Stephan F Cohen is a regular that is highly regarded by Thom.

I think in your era they had you hide under your desk with your hands over your ears until the threat was over. You may be there for awhile, pack a lot of food.

The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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zapdam 14 weeks 5 days ago
#19

Dianereynolds you're over 65 , what are you going to do when the republicans voucherize your medicare and raise the age requirement to 69 for social insurance. Oh wait , you've realized these gutless cowards that call themselves republicans , won't raise your your age requirement or touch your medicare or social insurance, they know if they try that, they'd be out on the asses in two years. Because stupid people like you can easily be bought off and fooled, republicans the cowards just make sure they don't infuriate their base and will make sure it doesn't apply to selfish self serving people like you Diane. They've got your number, they know your psyche, they know how to 'play you' against your own countrymen Diane. What a fool.

Legend 14 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote Dianereynolds:
Quote Legend:

I know that you detest facts and references Diane but suggest that you look at a few of these. Eric Trump kind of blew it early in the campaign. Now they cannot remember that. In time more will come out.

https://www.google.com/#q=eric+trump+russian+investors

Stephan F Cohen is a regular that is highly regarded by Thom.

I think in your era they had you hide under your desk with your hands over your ears until the threat was over. You may be there for awhile, pack a lot of food.

The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Wow! Diane you have indicated that you are close to my age and you say this? I am 66 and yes I remember "duck an cover". I remember the Cuba Crisis. Politely, what is your age? I do not think that it affects my reasoning on todays issues. You are making things up, again.

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Dianereynolds 14 weeks 4 days ago
#21

I'm 71 and and ended my career at 67 by my choice, only to take on other opportunities. I was around when the official retirement age was raised and I really didn't care if they raised it or not. People live longer now and a great many in the age brackets 65-70 want to do something just as an excuse to get out of the house and continue to be viable. Volunteering or a part time job is perfect. Pay for many is less important than the job itself.

As for all the dire predictions about Medicare, SS, and the like. I know where you get your head filled with crap. Please understand, Fox News, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Hannity, O'Rielly, Beck, Maddow,Thom Hartmann, Bill Press, Chris Matthews, you get the idea, are all slanting their performance to suit their particular audience. They have little hopes of converts so they just drone to the choir. In the background, I listen to a wide variety of them and all they do is make me laugh. Those on the extreme right and extreme left are both full of shit.

Instead of being spoon fed what your beliefs should be or what the other guy is going to do, try using a bit of your own common sense.

Is Trump going to cut Medicare or SS 50%? Use your God given brains. It ain't gonna happen and the above named talking heads know it, but they need something to gin up their followers. Interesting since Nov. 8, how little BLM and white privilege rants are heard. Even the cops killing all black people meme has come to a temporary halt. Get the idea? It has become, what can I say to get my audience stirred up today? Currently it is the Russians. Did you forget Hillary and Obama's "Russian reset button" of just a few years ago that you all praised. A few months ago from the other side it was Benghazi. I could go back and like you to the Bill Clinton speech where he told congress the "illegal immigrants" were destroying American jobs, but we don't need that now do we? I will save that for another day when it is more applicable.
Tomorrow it will be something else and Trump will hit from both sides. I stand by my prediction months past. The biggest fear from the far left and far right is, Trump will be successful.

Listen to whatever you choose but try to inject some common sense into what is probable reality.

Calm down, go outside and breathe. There is life away from the keyboard.

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zapdam 14 weeks 4 days ago
#22

Say what you like Dianereynolds , but the head of the republican party , the weasel Paul Ryan has told the American public he plans to end social security and medicare as you know it and kill Obamacare.

As for raising the age to 67 then 69 for retirement, Diane are you suggesting construction workers, brick layers, people who do the physical work in America can just drag their senior asses to work for another 4 years to satisfy these republican lackey's who work for millionaires and billionaires. Diane you're a sociopath and that's why you vote right wing republican.

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Dianereynolds 14 weeks 4 days ago
#23

I will tell you the same thing I told horseface. I am now at the point where I laugh at your frustration.

Quote zapdam.:

"DianeReynolds you're one of those 'stupidest fucking electorate on the face of the planet' I keep talking about. The world, civilized Americans and myself are sick of moronic people like you, you're not worth the breath to try and sway you, so Piss off. So go f""k off and stick your phoney nationalism up your arse, you right wing troll."

Amen

Legend 14 weeks 4 days ago
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Quote Dianereynolds:
Quote Legend:

I know that you detest facts and references Diane but suggest that you look at a few of these. Eric Trump kind of blew it early in the campaign. Now they cannot remember that. In time more will come out.

https://www.google.com/#q=eric+trump+russian+investors

Stephan F Cohen is a regular that is highly regarded by Thom.

I think in your era they had you hide under your desk with your hands over your ears until the threat was over. You may be there for awhile, pack a lot of food.

The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. Be afraid, be very afraid.

If I am 66 and you are 71 what the hell is that post about? Were you out of the country in '62?

Your rant is more time consuming then I spend. I can Google Facts in a matter of minutes and post them. That is why I am pro facts. People like Tom(nofacts)dorr posts nothing but his right wing media opinion. If everyone posts fact it keeps it honest. Not just your opinion as in post #21.

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zapdam 14 weeks 3 days ago
#25

Quote TomDorr "Zap: I don't have to take back my country. I love it the way it is. I worked hard for 39 years for a living, I have great retirement benefits and healthcare. I also fought hard for it, as my railroad union predecessors did for 110 years. "

So TomDorr as usual I can take it that as long as you've got got yours you couldn't give a fuck about your fellow Americans, because TomDorr, there's lots of needless suffering in America, most because of outright greed, protected by people like you TomDorr, who of course has his ass covered and couldn't give two shits about anyone else in the world, let alone his own countrymen.

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zapdam 14 weeks 2 days ago
#26

"Elective surgery or elective procedure (from the Latin eligere, meaning to choose[1]) is surgery that is scheduled in advance because it does not involve a medical emergency. Semi-elective surgery is a surgery that must be done to preserve the patient's life, but does not need to be performed immediately." Wikipedia

"Michael Shopenn’s surgery in 2007 would have cost close to $100,000 in the United States. But it cost just $13,660 — including all medicine, doctors’ fees and round-trip airfare — at a private hospital in Torhout, Belgium. The Belgian government regulates medical fees, though most doctors’ offices and hospitals are privately run."

“In the past few years, Americans are definitely more willing to go overseas and now appreciate that there is quality there, whereas seven years ago they didn’t have that perception,” said Jonathan Edelheit, the chief executive of the Medical Tourism Association, an industry group that supports and facilitates such travel." NY Times

So there you go America, an operation that costs $100,000 in America , costs less than fourteen thousand dollars in a modern European country, that includes like it says, flights to Europe, all medicines at a private hospital. So America, whose pockets is that 85 thousand dollar difference going into. For a reference the average income of a citizen of Belgium is 59 thousand dollars, so we're not talking third world here, not by a long shot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/us/the-growing-popularity-of-having-surgery-overseas.html

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TomDorr 13 weeks 6 days ago
#27

Zap: Before Obamacare, the vast majority of the people in the US had health care they were happy with. Others could afford health care but chose not to buy it.

Millions of others were covered by Medcaid. They were not dieing in the street. Medicare covered those who worked hard for decades and ciontributed to it.

In order to "cover" less than 10% of the people in this country, Obamacare puts tremendous burdens on those who have "cadillac plans", taxpayers, and those who have lost the plans they liked that were not "acceptable" or had to pay much more than they paid before.

Obamacare is (was) nothing but a redistribution o wealth/health scheme that harms the responsible in order to shower benefits on others.

There are other ways to cover everyone with basic, bare-bones insurance and tort reform, that will harm the responsible in this country much less. They are about to become reality. Thank goodness.

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zapdam 13 weeks 5 days ago
#28

TomDorr hello are you even remotely aware of the 50 million Americans who had no health care at the end of 8 years of Bush W and republicans running the country into the ground. How about those 40 thousand uninsured Americans who die each year of treatable illness. Tom is there anytime you're in touch with reality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/percentage-of-americans-lacking-hea...

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deat...

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TomDorr 13 weeks 4 days ago
#29

Hey Zap: Let's break down the "50,000,000 " you say had no health care. How many were illegal immigrants? How many simply did not want to buy health care ? I think Obamacare insured 22,000,000 people who were not prevously insured. Out of 330,000,000. Less than 7% of the population.

Does that excuse higher costs for over 150,000,000 persons, many who had health care? Or harming those that had "Cadillac plans that Obama technocrats deemed too "generous""?

Trump and his supporters will come up with a National Health care plan much better for the middle/upper middle class. Without people dead on the streets.

Legend 13 weeks 3 days ago
#30

Trouble is Tom(nofacts)dorr is you do not even bother to take the 15 seconds it takes to Google it.

http://kff.org/uninsured/report/the-uninsured-at-the-starting-line-findi...

Your opinion only statements are totally ignorant and you should take them elsewhere.

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zapdam. 13 weeks 3 days ago
#31

starting today its back to the bad old republican days of the early 2000's ,when there were 50 million uninsured Americans , 45 thousand uninsured Americans needless died each year. By the time his first term is over, Trump policies will have killed 200 thousand Americans single handedly.

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