Quote a right wing blogger "Funding our Defense has led to hundreds of thousands, of well paying union jobs in this country. (Boeing, Northrop, McDonnell Douglas, Raytheon, General Dynamics, DuPont, to name a few large contractors)"

These right wing bloggers seem unaware that this bloated military they crow about, consumes 50 cents of every tax dollar Americans pay. They just admitted that your tax dollars are subsidizing huge multinational corporations like '(Boeing, Northrop, McDonnell Douglas, Raytheon, General Dynamics, DuPont, to name a few large contractors)', this while Americans cannot afford to fund comprehensive health care for all its citizens or provide even basic housing, food or a good education for its poorest citizens or rebuild its crumbling infrastructure. These are the same corporations that suck up your tax dollars charging $20 for a 50 cent bolt. The same companies that through lobbyists are bribing , corrupting your governments at every level, then writing off their bribes as a tax deduction. Their self serving subversive actions making your governments ineffective, rendering them dysfunctional.

Republicans also rail at what they claim is the corrosive effect of socialism, yet fail to see that Americas military is the socialism in spades. Fifty cents of every tax dollar spent on a military I might add that has a presence in 140 plus countries around the world, destabilizing, corrupting, or antagonizing communities thousand of miles from American shores, all in the name of protecting US corporate interests and US colonial capitalism.

Right wingers like to rail at raising minimum wage to a living standard, yet fail to see where companies like Walmart owned by the richest family in America, have a business model that is predicated on your tax dollars subsidizing their poorly paid workers, ,through social programs paid with your tax dollars, for no other reason than increasing their companies bottom line and satisfying their companies sociopathic insatiable greed.

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gumball 39 weeks 1 day ago
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Quote zapdam.:

These right wing bloggers seem unaware that this bloated military they crow about, consumes 50 cents of every tax dollar Americans pay.

US Federal Tax revenue in 2015 was 3.2 Trillion. US Defense in 2015 spending was 598 Billion, not 1.6 Trillion.

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zapdam. 39 weeks 1 day ago
#2

Gumball I'm sick of you lying morons.
"Pentagon budget request of $708 billion, plus an estimated $200 billion in supplemental funding, called "overseas contingency funding" in euphemistic White House-speak), to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, some $40 billion or more in "black box" intelligence agency funding, $94 billion in non-DOD military spending, $100 billion in veterans benefits and health care spending, and $400 billion in interest on debt raised to pay for prior wars and the standing military.

The 2011 military budget, by the way, is the largest in history, not just in actual dollars, but in inflation adjusted dollars, exceeding even the spending in World War II, when the nation was on an all-out military footing.

Military spending in all its myriad forms works out to represent 53.3% of total US federal spending."

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gumball 39 weeks 1 day ago
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Quote zapdam.:Gumball I'm sick of you lying morons. "Pentagon budget request of $708 billion, plus an estimated $200 billion in supplemental funding, called "overseas contingency funding" in euphemistic White House-speak), to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, some $40 billion or more in "black box" intelligence agency funding, $94 billion in non-DOD military spending, $100 billion in veterans benefits and health care spending, and $400 billion in interest on debt raised to pay for prior wars and the standing military. The 2011 military budget, by the way, is the largest in history, not just in actual dollars, but in inflation adjusted dollars, exceeding even the spending in World War II, when the nation was on an all-out military footing. Military spending in all its myriad forms works out to represent 53.3% of total US federal spending."

Perhaps you should have clarified that you were speaking of 5 years ago, not current spending/taxation.

Regardless, the cost in 2011 was 718 billion, revenue was 2.3 trillion. That was not half.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/07/everything-chuck-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget

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zapdam 39 weeks 1 day ago
#4

GUMBO

*Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated.

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gumball 39 weeks 1 day ago
#5
Quote zapdam:

GUMBO

*Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated.

TOTAL interest spending in 2011 was 223 billion. Still not half....

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zapdam. 39 weeks 1 day ago
#6

Whatever the figures you want to believe, that still doesn't change the fact the main reason for US military bloated spending "I might add that has a presence in 140 plus countries around the world, destabilizing, corrupting, or antagonizing communities thousand of miles from American shores, all in the name of protecting US corporate interests and US colonial capitalism."

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gumball 39 weeks 1 day ago
#7
Quote zapdam.:Whatever the figures you want to believe, that still doesn't change the fact the main reason for US military bloated spending "I might add that has a presence in 140 plus countries around the world, destabilizing, corrupting, or antagonizing communities thousand of miles from American shores, all in the name of protecting US corporate interests and US colonial capitalism."

I agree that we spend too much on the military, you do not need to lie about easily verifiable numbers to make your point.

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zapdam. 39 weeks 1 day ago
#8

Gumbo

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism."

Quote from Smedley Butler USMC at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in US history.
And you know what else Gumbo, NOTHINGS changed.

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gumball 39 weeks 1 day ago
#9

If your cause is just you can lie. Got it.

Legend 39 weeks 1 day ago
#10

U S A spends more on Defense than the next 8 countries combined. A lot of it is dropping $million dollar bombs on mud huts on the opposite side of the world. The recent raid in Yemen lost 1 soldiers life, 4 soldiers wounded (1 seriously), 10 Yemeni women and children, 1 $70 million Osprey for hard drives that probably had lots of games on them.

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leontrollski 39 weeks 1 day ago
#11

"If your cause is just you can lie. Got it." Great line for the Donald. Sounds better than the clueless "I was given that information."

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leontrollski 39 weeks 1 day ago
#12

"The mission was approved over dinner five days after the presidential inauguration by Trump and his closest advisers, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner and his special adviser and former Breitbart executive Stephen Bannon, as well as defence secretary General Jim Mattis." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/trump-approved-yemen-raid-five-days-after-inauguration Why no questionsabout whether one of the attendees leaked information which was transmitted to al-Qaida? Or shall we blame the military for leaking information to the enemy? Or are we to accept that the planning of the raid was so lame that the team was landed 5 miles away and expected to cross basically unscouted ground in the hopes of good luck seeing them thru? Anyone who one who believes that a barking dog gave away the raid raise your hand.

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gumball 39 weeks 1 day ago
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Quote leontrollski:

"If your cause is just you can lie. Got it." Great line for the Donald. Sounds better than the clueless "I was given that information."

I do not think he even realizes he is lying. Not sure what is scarier.

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Andrew Beckett 39 weeks 1 day ago
#14

I don't think that comment is a lie, since he wasn't intending to decieve anyone. I don't know why you're splitting hairs about the cost of the military. It's insane, even if it only consumes half of your tax dollars as opposed to 53%. It makes me very nervous living next door to a militaristic fascist dictatorship with an insane halfwit ruling it and a population so dumb they think a nuclear war is winnable. I only hope that the US suffers the ssme fate as Rome. Once your empire is over-extended and you are involved in too many wars simultaneously, and once your people are so impoverished they are constantly rioting, you will be bankrupt, and unable to pay your soldiers or maintain your technology. When that happens, there will be no more empire. I don't think your military will work for free. I want to one day live in a world where nobody will give a shit about what the US says or does.

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Andrew Beckett 39 weeks 1 day ago
#15

Trump's followers don't care if he lies. They are like a cult. They probably believe that the truth is whatever comes out of his mouth. Trump's election signalled the beginning of the post-truth era, where there are no facts. There is no right and wrong. There is no morality. For example, if Trump said that 5 million illegal immigrants voted, then it is the truth. If it is proven impossible, it must be "fake news." If there is irrefutable evidence that it did not happen, then it's just propaganda from "liberals." Killing people in order to steal their oil isn't wrong because we want to do it. To do otherwise would be immoral. Slave labour camps for dissidents aren't wrong, because a lot of money is made from slave labour, and God rewards good and moral deeds with money. Now I understand how evangelical Christians think, for lack of a better word. I'm an atheist, but sometimes I wish there was a hell for these people to go to. May they create one for themselves to live in.

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zapdam. 39 weeks 1 day ago
#16

Andrew Beckett quote

"Trump's followers don't care if he lies. They are like a cult. They probably believe that the truth is whatever comes out of his mouth. Trump's election signalled the beginning of the post-truth era, where there are no facts. There is no right and wrong. There is no morality."

Andrew there lays the truth of this presidency and why trying to rationalize any conversation with these cult members is an act of total futility. Andrew great posts my friend, hope you stick around and add to the conversations going on here.

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zapdam. 39 weeks 1 day ago
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Quote leontrollski, "The mission was approved over dinner five days after the presidential inauguration by Trump and his closest advisers, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner and his special adviser and former Breitbart executive Stephen Bannon, as well as defence secretary General Jim Mattis."

This is the same General Jim Mattis who flippantly boasted he took 30 seconds to attack an Iraqi wedding, killing dozens of Innocent's on the outside chance he could kill a 'suspected' terrorist. The attack later came to be known as the “Mukaradeeb Wedding Party Massacre.” in any civilized society, Mattis would be arrested and charged with mass murder and war crimes.

http://www.moneypowergreed.com/539/trump-defense-secretary-choice-dodged...

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Andrew Beckett 39 weeks 1 day ago
#18

Thank you. I sometimes go too far, but I was outraged at the heartless commentary about the terror attack here in Canada. Trump followers were apparently not frightened by terrorism, they were overjoyed. Disgusting. The only regret expressed was sorrow that the victim count was only six, as they were Muslim victims. The shooter was a young man who was well-known in the community and at his school as a right wing racist who was obsessed with illegal immigrants, Muslims, and was a big fan of...Donald Trump. I have never met a Muslim who wasn't friendly and honorable, and, unlike Christians I know, they never cared that I was an atheist. I don't understand the hatred against them at all.

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gumball 39 weeks 21 hours ago
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Quote Andrew Beckett:

I don't think that comment is a lie, since he wasn't intending to decieve anyone. I don't know why you're splitting hairs about the cost of the military. It's insane, even if it only consumes half of your tax dollars as opposed to 53%.

If you believe your cause to be just it is ok to lie? It is not "splitting hairs" as it is no where near half.

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zapdam 39 weeks 20 hours ago
#20

Quote gumball "If you believe your cause to be just it is ok to lie? It is not "splitting hairs" as it is no where near half."
That comment coming from a guy who voted for Trump, that's been proven lies 80 percent of the time.

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TomDorr 39 weeks 18 hours ago
#21

Zap: These companies employee people in great paying jobs while keeping American prominence, exceptionalism, and defense of Americans in the forefront.

Basic Welfare programs do nothing but drain working people's wallets to subsidize illigitimacy and sloth.

Legal immigrants come to this country and thrive.

It's time to cut off the public teat and require native Americans to support their own weight, and also not have children who they cannot support, with fathers they know will not stick around.

Common sense.

Legend 39 weeks 15 hours ago
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Quote TomDorr:

Zap: These companies employee people in great paying jobs while keeping American prominence, exceptionalism, and defense of Americans in the forefront.

Basic Welfare programs do nothing but drain working people's wallets to subsidize illigitimacy and sloth.

Legal immigrants come to this country and thrive.

It's time to cut off the public teat and require native Americans to support their own weight, and also not have children who they cannot support, with fathers they know will not stick around.

Common sense.

Reference, source? Or just your usual mindless baseless opinion?

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gumball 38 weeks 6 days ago
#23
Quote zapdam:Quote gumball "If you believe your cause to be just it is ok to lie? It is not "splitting hairs" as it is no where near half." That comment coming from a guy who voted for Trump, that's been proven lies 80 percent of the time.

I never voted for Trump, in the primary or the general.

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
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Quote gumball:
Quote zapdam:Quote gumball "If you believe your cause to be just it is ok to lie? It is not "splitting hairs" as it is no where near half." That comment coming from a guy who voted for Trump, that's been proven lies 80 percent of the time.

I never voted for Trump, in the primary or the general.

So who did you vote for?

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k. allen 38 weeks 6 days ago
#25

(TomDorr - #21)


"... These companies employee people in great paying jobs while keeping American prominence, exceptionalism, and defense of Americans in the forefront."

They also promote the imagery, and advertising that invites people around the world to give up whatever they have where they are to come to America, promoted as the one place on this planet where dreams are fulfilled and streets really are paved with gold ... at least, some are.

So, come on, you too can be rich and famous in America.

..., welcome to the threshing floor.


"Basic Welfare programs do nothing but drain working people's wallets to subsidize illigitimacy and sloth."

There is no question that basic welfare programs are inadequate, and inequitable, all around - in so many ways, could be changed for the better.

That said, if it's the only branch you can grab ahold of as floods sweep you downstream, at least you have a chance to pull yourself out of those ditches and pits of "illegitimacy and sloth" ... which exist with or without government support.

Mr. D's views are so cut and dried ... practically vacuum-packed ... I would not be surprised to see them dispensed in vending machines.

I'm wondering if his real name is HAL.


"Legal immigrants come to this country and thrive."

Some do ... others, not. Those with class connections who can afford access to education and opportunity may do very well in this culture ... without those connections, opportunities are more limited, even so, with promise of greater rewards than home cultures allow ... and, for the enterprising, much is possible ...

Still, I see so many who have sold what they own and borrowed deep to come to America, only to find themselves strapped into a cycle of planned obsolescence with multiple jobs, just to survive, and keep up with mortgage/insurance payments (the real American Dream) - with little or no time to care for children who often find more interest and support in the street, to the dismay of their parents who believe they have bought a better life for their offspring - while the elders wind up in convalescent care centers, staring at the wall and people who are born and raised here get to keep on moving, down the line, as the newbies move in to take their place ... in line.

It's tragic. This whole planet could be a paradise if human priorities were to serve and support life - wherever we are - not mindlessly exploit and consume - at such great cost!


"It's time to cut off the public teat and require native Americans to support their own weight, and also not have children who they cannot support, with fathers they know will not stick around."

I would love to know all parents are responsible, loving, and mutually intentional when they make the audacious choice to bring a child into this world. Children deserve better.

So, how can people process sexual angst and find ways to express themselves without making unwanted babies?


"Common sense."

... uncommon insensitivity.

Coalage3 38 weeks 5 days ago
#26

How about being responsible and use birth control, or don't have sexual relations? This isn't rocket science. And deadbeat dads need to be held accountable.

Whatever happened to shotgun weddings? If you choose to play the game, then you better be ready to bear the consequences.

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gumball 38 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote Legend:
Quote gumball:
Quote zapdam:Quote gumball "If you believe your cause to be just it is ok to lie? It is not "splitting hairs" as it is no where near half." That comment coming from a guy who voted for Trump, that's been proven lies 80 percent of the time.

I never voted for Trump, in the primary or the general.

So who did you vote for?

Kasich in the primary, in the general I left it blank as neither candidate was worth voting for.

rs allen 38 weeks 5 days ago
#28

Then you didn't realize or didn't care that the election of a POTUS is a zero sum game.

Shame on you gumbie.

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gumball 38 weeks 5 days ago
#29
Quote rs allen:

Then you didn't realize or didn't care that the election of a POTUS is a zero sum game.

Shame on you gumbie.

I do not follow?

Shame on me? How about shame on Hillary Clinton for being the embodiment of EVERYTHING that is wrong with our government and shame on Donald Trump for being the embodiment of EVERYTHING that is wrong with our culture.

Coalage3 38 weeks 5 days ago
#30

Thanks again Hillary and the DNC. The country hopes you're happy.

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al3 38 weeks 5 days ago
#31
Quote TomDorr:

Zap: These companies employee people in great paying jobs while keeping American prominence, exceptionalism, and defense of Americans in the forefront.

Basic Welfare programs do nothing but drain working people's wallets to subsidize illigitimacy and sloth.

Legal immigrants come to this country and thrive.

It's time to cut off the public teat and require native Americans to support their own weight, and also not have children who they cannot support, with fathers they know will not stick around.

Common sense.

No, common sense says that $100 Billion evaded in Federal taxes, millions of jobs offshored, while executives make enough money to last 100 lifetimes is sheer folly and a recipe for economic collapse sometime in the future. There is nothing "exceptional" about it.

rs allen 38 weeks 5 days ago
#32

Anybody with an IQ above a fence post knew and knows that only one of two persons was going to take that walk up the capitol steps gumbie. On one hand, we had Clinton with some real issues, but admit it, most of the issues she faced were spun whole cloth out of thin air. If you think otherwise gumbie then you wasn't paying attention.

While on the other hand we had this thing called trump who you so rightly pointed out embodied all that is wrong within our society and culture so I'll not go on that rant.

So the choice could not have been starker. And you decided that by not voting or writing in a noncontender it would absolve you of any responsiblity for a white nationalist agenda marching into Washington? That is a self-delusional rationalization gumbie. I repeat, anyone with an IQ above a fence post knew only one of two persons was going to waltz up those capitol steps.

So you tell me who should hang their head in shame?

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gumball 38 weeks 4 days ago
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Quote rs allen:

Anybody with an IQ above a fence post knew and knows that only one of two persons was going to take that walk up the capitol steps gumbie. On one hand, we had Clinton with some real issues, but admit it, most of the issues she faced were spun whole cloth out of thin air. If you think otherwise gumbie then you wasn't paying attention.

I depends on what "Issues" you are referring too. At the very least she went up to the line of the law on selling access. The whole server thing was legit issue. She put national security at risk for what? What were in the deleted emails? Her explanations did not make sense to me.

Do you think her support for free trade agreements was spun of whole cloth? Her support for the Iraq war spun of whole cloth? Do you think her flipping on the bankruptcy bill was spun of whole cloth?

I live in Washington, this is a deep blue state. If I lived in a swing state I would probably would have held my nose and voted for her.

Legend 38 weeks 4 days ago
#34

So by not voting you feel that it absolves you of all responsibility and that your stand is always right. When it is the exact opposite.

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Robindell 38 weeks 4 days ago
#35

Co-worker in small town works two part-time jobs. Was fired from previous second part-time job for calling off one time due to a migraine headache. Got new second job, but over several months, hours were gradually reduced until only 4 hours per week were assigned. Another co-worker came to work with us because on previous job, the hours were reduced to -- you got it -- 4 hours a week. The working poor are punished the most with poor compensation and benefits and idiotic reduction in the number of hours given to work.

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zapdam. 38 weeks 4 days ago
#36

Americas union workers has fallen to less than 7% of the working force and as a result democracy in the work place no longer exists in America, US workers are know 'subjects' of totalitarian corporatists.

rs allen 38 weeks 4 days ago
#37

All workers are 'subjects', or if you prefer the pretty euphemism the 'human capital', are what totalarian corporatists exploit world wide.

rs allen 38 weeks 4 days ago
#38

Gumbie, you have got to be kidding me! That is why you didn't care? You really weren't paying attention were you.

Never mind sorry, my mistake.

You can go back to sleep now.

But first read this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/opinion/sunday/the-america-we-lost-when-trump-won.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

Then tell us how good you feel about your non-decision decision.

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gumball 38 weeks 3 days ago
#39
Quote Legend:

So by not voting you feel that it absolves you of all responsibility and that your stand is always right. When it is the exact opposite.

Absolves me of what responsibility?

I fully admit to not always being right, I am sometimes wrong. For instance, my opinion on the various free trade agreements has switched over the years.

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gumball 38 weeks 3 days ago
#40
Quote rs allen:

Gumbie, you have got to be kidding me! That is why you didn't care? You really weren't paying attention were you.

Never mind sorry, my mistake.

You can go back to sleep now.

But first read this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/opinion/sunday/the-america-we-lost-when-trump-won.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

Then tell us how good you feel about your non-decision decision.

It is not that I do not care. I have voted in every election since I was 18 in the '94 election. I am saying that neither candidate earned my vote. There was a thought process behind this. My hope was that Clinton would have an extremely narrow win. That is why I did not vote for her. As I said, I live in a deep blue state that was going to go for Clinton.

I think Trumps immigration policy is wrong. I think his temperament is wrong. I think his showmanship personality is obnoxious. I think his arrogant self-confidence is wrong.

What he has done though, is finally make trade policy a real issue again. I think government contractors have been feeding at the government trough for too long. I think he will make headway on that.

In short, it is not all bad. I will object when I think he is wrong and I will support him when I think he is right. I believe too many in our nation see politics as sport, rooting for D or R blindly.

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zapdam. 38 weeks 3 days ago
#41

Quote gumball, "What he has done though, is finally make trade policy a real issue again. I think government contractors have been feeding at the government trough for too long. I think he will make headway on that."

Hello gumball is anyone home. You can't be so stupid to not realize that by electing Drumpf, you've just put the 'foxes in charge of the hen house'. Not only is Trump not going to carry out his promises, but people like you have just given the corporations through the republican party the keys to the US vault. These four years will turn out to be the largest heist in human history, the biggest transfer of public wealth into the pockets of the super wealthy. What people like you gumball have done is 'cut off your noses to spite your faces'. Like I have said over and over again, Americans are the 'stupidest fucking electorate on the face of the planet' and I know the rules prohibit the use of foul language, but nothing better describes present day America. What's worse being the worlds largest economy, that stupidity I rail at, will affect every country on the planet in a very negative way. Republicans last attempt at government just came up a little short of plunging the US and the world into the worst depression mankind had ever experienced. So now stupid America has given them an even more powerful government to this time finish the job and perhaps any hope if saving our planet from an environmental catastrophe.

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