What do you do as a society , when you learn everything you've been taught all your life is a lie, Romanticized 'whitewashed' horseshit. Such as it is for America 'home of the free'.

We have learned those traditionally not free ,black people are only 3/5th humans according to their own constitution . We also know that 12 US Presidents ran concentration camps, imprisoning black slaves for free labor. The key figures who wrote their charished constitution were known devout racists and slave owners. The White house itself built by slave labor. Their 'National Anthem' written by Francis Scott Key, a racist.

Americans so proud of their western heritage, are taught that they were the rightful conquering heirs of the vast lands of north America, but fail to mention they carried out a plan of mass extermination to achieve it.

Somehow Americans are taught that even the their civil war was somehow romantic and righteous, even thought they slaughtered each other by the hundreds of thousands.

Americans have been taught that their 'no free lunch' capitalistic economic system is backbone of their nation, the envy of the world, but now we find that this same system is destroying the the planet, is unsustainable and in the end the system has been rigged to benefit the the less than one percent that control it and pocket 99% of all of its riches it produces.

They are taught they are the most powerful nation on the planet, 'American exceptionalism heehaw', how many times have you bragartly heard that one. Take away the 7000 plus nukes, they can't win a war and end up turning tail and running every time they try to start one, even with countries less than half their size.

They continually tell each other the lie about the service of their 'fallen soldiers', when the truth is their military is tax payer subsidized muscle for their world wide corporate colonialism. One of their most decorated servicemen described as "a racketeers, a gangsters for capitalism."

Now Americans are learning their elections are controlled by a lying corporate media, , Russian hacking, voter rolls being purged, that the system is rigged, the system is broken , that according to President Jimmy Carter 'the US is oligarchy with unlimited political bribery.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oliga...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/05/politics/north-carolina-voter-rolls/index....

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Roland de Brabant's picture
Roland de Brabant 50 weeks 2 days ago
#1

What do you do? You learn to love Big Brother and regularly attend Hate Rallies. Or it is off to MiniLove with you. In my life I have seen the US change gradually from a flawed, yet great nation into the dystopian nightmare it is today, truly an evil empire.

Zap, the serviceman you referenced was Smedley Butler, who enlisted in the USMC as a private, rose to general and Commandant of the Marine Corps, earned two Congressional Medals of Honor (pre-humously) and wrote the small book War is a Racket in which he claimed that Al Capone was small time, that he (Butler) had operated on five continents.

Roland

rs allen 50 weeks 1 day ago
#2

"Flawed, yet great nation"

Great, how so? And for whom? Those are the questions you should be asking yourself Roland.

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Steven PBarrett 50 weeks 1 day ago
#3

Just put on some Asleep at the Wheel, esp. Six Pack to Go and think of how Donald Trump the leader of the macho of all macho Republicans, explain away why he lost to "Cherokee Maiden." Then if you have more patience and guts, you rerun last night's scare-the-bejezuss-out-of-us run down of Trump's Russian doings, you can graduate up to some Whiskey River to wash your troubles away.

And to think I stopped drinkin' a quarter century ago.

Might as well learn to grow some extra hide and skin just above where our hearts are located or it'll be a real long haul till January 2020.

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Roland de Brabant 50 weeks 1 day ago
#4
Quote Steven PBarrett:

Just put on some Asleep at the Wheel, esp. Six Pack to Go and think of how Donald Trump the leader of the macho of all macho Republicans, explain away why he lost to "Cherokee Maiden." Then if you have more patience and guts, you rerun last night's scare-the-bejezuss-out-of-us run down of Trump's Russian doings, you can graduate up to some Whiskey River to wash your troubles away.

And to think I stopped drinkin' a quarter century ago.

Might as well learn to grow some extra hide and skin just above where our hearts are located or it'll be a real long haul till January 2020.

Normally Steven your writing is clear, sometimes eloquent. But I could not decipher this message.

Roland

rs allen 50 weeks 14 hours ago
#5

Kinda depends on your mood doesn't it Steve? If you want to cry into your beer about chances lost start with some Hank Williams 'Have You ever Heard the Whipoorwill' and 'Lonesome Whistle' or Jim Reeves 'Tell Him he'll Have to go'. But if you're more inclined towards eradicating the bastards because w've all been betrayed put on Big Momma Thorntons 'Hound Dog' or Van Zandt's 'Poncho and Lefty' (if the country sound is more your style), myself when I'm in that place it's more along the the lines of Peter Toshs 'Stepping Razor' because 'The Tracks of My Tears' are easy to trace (Smokey Robinson) and I expect thinking people to wonder of 'What Becomes of the Broken Hearted' (Jimmy Ruffin'.

But for the most part for those that want to survive I advise following the path of Stephen Stills 'Tree Top Flyer'.

Gibbon 50 weeks 8 hours ago
#6

Wow! Townes van Zandt (Steve Earle on Bob Dylan's coffee table!) some great shit.

I'm a run-of-the-mill Hendrix freak, Rory Gallagher, Steppenwolf, Humble Pie, Johnny Winter, Santana... CSNY.

Crosby (& Garcia)... Cowboy Movie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_alkj8YDcI 

I think this country has produced some "exceptional" art as a result of the immense Pain and hypocrisy constantly pushed in our faces. At what point do we sacrifice Great Art for peace?

I've been so brainwashed I didn't even consider the Yemen children Murdered when that Navy Seal's wife stood & emoted. The US has, among other great power, the greatest propaganda, indoctrination machine, so far, ever built.

And I've been immersed in its grip since my Mother was flown here from Ramstein to give birth to me -- as a proud American.

rs allen 49 weeks 6 days ago
#7

In the end though, the world at large and particularly present day america has to sooner or later ask themselves who let the dogs out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM

Legend 49 weeks 6 days ago
#8

When does the voter remorse set in with all of the right wing trolls that so support Trump?

rs allen 49 weeks 6 days ago
#9

Remorse? I submit the only remorse they have at the moment is that some crass outsider jumped the fence and stole the crop the GOP has been carefully nurturing for nigh on 50 plus years.

I don't expect the buffoon that now sits at head of state to last his term, heck he may not even be able to stay there for another 45 days, but.........Looking at whose next in line.......god please no. Not only does he know where the light switches are he's an ideologue of the same order with feet very firmly planted within both the christian taliban and white nationalist camps. Just knowing where (metephorically speaking) the damn light switches are makes him far more dangerous than trumpkof.

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zapdam 49 weeks 6 days ago
#10

rs allen quote " Remorse? I submit the only remorse they have at the moment is that some crass outsider jumped the fence and stole the crop the GOP has been carefully nurturing for nigh on 50 plus years."

rs congratulations on making such an accurate and profound statement.

Legend 49 weeks 6 days ago
#11

The White House has a front door and a back door.

In my opinion a lot of voters looked at McCains age and the thought of Sarah being one heart beat away from POTUS and voted against McCain. Not much thought given to Pence. Someone that does not believe in evolution.

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zapdam 49 weeks 5 days ago
#12

quote Gibbon

"I've been so brainwashed I didn't even consider the Yemen children Murdered when that Navy Seal's wife stood & emoted. The US has, among other great power, the greatest propaganda, indoctrination machine, so far, ever built."

This propaganda machine once used mostly around the world to sell Americanism and give cover for its dubious actions. Now its hard to sell the world on American goodness when they see unending US military invasions and the million plus civilian body count. The result the spin masters now have turned totally inward against their own people, the result nobody knows what the fuck to believe anymore, that's why Trump's chants of 'lying news media' doesn't fall on deaf ears, even though he out lies them all including political sources .

rs allen 49 weeks 4 days ago
#13

The question asked still remains and one that no one has answered, what do YOU do when you learn everything is a lie.

Remain in light..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVGnTE5N1U8

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zapdam. 49 weeks 4 days ago
#14

rs allen

Obviously no one who frequents this site has any answers ,'what do You do when you learn everything is a lie.'
Whats worse the people who visit this site are supposedly America's progressive deep thinkers.

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zapdam. 49 weeks 4 days ago
#15

Quote Roland, "In my life I have seen the US change gradually from a flawed, yet great nation into the dystopian nightmare it is today, truly an evil empire"
Roland that could be counted as a rather accurate statement. Perhaps the 'flawed ' portion is an understatement.

k. allen's picture
k. allen 49 weeks 4 days ago
#16

"What do you do as a society , when you learn everything you've been taught all your life is a lie, Romanticized 'whitewashed' horseshit. Such as it is for America 'home of the free'."

Let's see ...


... you may not recognize it, if you even see it at all - it will look like someone else's flaw, or just a bad hair day ...or,

... you might deny it, and keep on stepping 'cause it _is_ such a glorious parade ... or,

... you might say, "Oh, no ... this land I call home is not my own? ... you mean, this dream I dream is a lie? This blessing, a curse? ... or,

... you might say, "Yes, but ... for a lot of people, America _is_ the land of the free ... see how people from all over the world give everything - even their lives - to come here!!"

... in fact, people from all over the world lived here before it became America.

((I wonder what the laws were like then)) ... or,


... you could seek out people and activities that speak to your heart, and live to make a difference and heal the wounds, in any way you can ... or,

... you might well double down on self destructive behavior you never understood, but now begin to see more clearly ... in a different light ... so,

... you might look for a way to heal your life, and wind up at a long table in a room full of doorknobs ... or,

... you might think you can end it all ... only, something tells me, we do not get to just die out from under our burden ... go ahead, run away ... one way or another ... I do not think you simply can drop everything, and drop out.

Where does it land? If you drop your load, someone else has to pick it up ... so,

... rather than stepping all over everyone in your blindness, leaving your garbage for others to clean, and thinking you can just walk away from it all ... you pick it up.


You own it. You say, "What can I do?" You look for ways to do what you can, and you do it ... whoever, wherever, however ....

I like the permaculture approach.

(((Hey, gumball! Speaking of healthy boundaries, check this out:)))

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=pK7Eeoypxfc

You can find out more about permaculture, and links to more videos, and related works here:

http://renhunt.wixsite.com/watching-apocalypse

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k. allen 49 weeks 4 days ago
#17

"When I asked the Grandmothers how to best deal with the shifting energy on Earth at this time, they gave me intent look and said, "Picture yourself on a conveyor belt, moving forward, inexorably forward. A momentum carries you and at the same time, carries all beings. You are all moving forward, so bless your fellow journeymen. You may have different roles to fulfill at this moment but all of you are on the forward ride. The momentum is terrific!" they cried."

"You are being drawn to an expanded vista that's flooded with light. See it! Experience it! Big sky and radiant sun on water!" they exclaimed. "Don't be distracted by any clumps of darkness that may appear as you speed forward. They have no lasting significance."

"Feel the momentum now! You are speeding through time and space. This is quite a ride you are taking so let yourself enjoy it without becoming distracted by the actions of others who, like you, are also on the ride."

"As you journey, look for beauty everywhere! Seek beauty and you will find it. See it in nature. See it in people. Seek, goodness too and take every opportunity to do good. Be good and see the evident goodness in the world. Look also for hidden goodness lurking beneath the surface."

"Goodness is all pervasive. Too often you have been distracted by the non-beautiful, by the unpleasant, by the frightful and nasty. Let all that go now," the Grandmothers said, brushing their hands together. They are passing detritus and will fade into the background while the conveyor belt carries you on to the next vista, and then the next. Each one brighter and more expanded than the one before."

"You are on your way to greatness, on your way to goodness, to a life you cannot begin to imagine. Do not become overly fascinated by the dark clumps surfacing all over your planet now. They look ugly and they stink, but they are only flotsam and jetsam. Let them go and keep your focus on the great light ahead. This is where you are going."

"Bless everyone, bless everything and keep moving forward,"the Grandmothers said. "We ask you to look for Beauty and to then do the work at hand. This is how to live in these times"

From the Thirteen Indigenous Grandmothers most recent newsletter:

http://www.grandmotherscouncil.org

tim1234 49 weeks 4 days ago
#18

This was the Baby Boomer's lesson of the sixties. The War was senseless. And its insanity was the key to the discovery of the complete hypocrysy of the "leave it to Beaver" vision of our youth. So you start a revolution.

rs allen 49 weeks 3 days ago
#19

That was the only lesson the boomers learned tim, that THAT war was senseless. Note how easily though they slipped right back into the Leave it to Beaver version of life after that personal existential threat was out of their way.

They learned nothing.

rs allen 49 weeks 3 days ago
#20
Quote zapdam.:Quote Roland, "In my life I have seen the US change gradually from a flawed, yet great nation into the dystopian nightmare it is today, truly an evil empire" Roland that could be counted as a rather accurate statement. Perhaps the 'flawed ' portion is an understatement.

Zap, I cite the entire statement as a childs idea of an america that never was and it will never be any more than a wet dream for those that hold on to a imagined yesterday that never was.

Remain in light.

rs allen 49 weeks 3 days ago
#21

Kay, I've been thinking about the Indigenous Thirteen Grandmothers because something has been brothering me about their message and I think I've finally hit upon what it is.

How does a conveyor belt have anything do to with life? Not only does the word conveyor belt have no attachment to the natural world, how does their message differentiate between the streams one has to cross over and those that one chooses to follow? (Note the use of the plural)

The Grandmother's suggest that lifes course is set and one should just enjoy the ride whatever. In short, just suffer and be happy for it.

Yeah whatever. Too many rivers to cross (jimmy Cliff) for anyone to let it rest on that bridge.

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k. allen 49 weeks 2 days ago
#22

That is a good point, rs. I noticed it too. My question would be, did someone just patch it together, using their own thread, or is this an attempt to translate into English a common theme woven through ancient cultural traditions around the world from those few who survive, and live to tell the tale ... only, their languages may not translate easily into this language of breakable rules?

Are there any that do?

Whatever language is used to ((attempt to)) describe the indescribable - whatever word we use to label this cosmic path we walk ... I wonder ... what if it is true?

What if we are all drops of water in life's rivers ...?



"So, mama, I want to flow over there!"

"You will, baby ... in time, you will flow everywhere ...."

... blessings come mixed.

More reflections later ... got to go for now ... thanks for reminding me of the song:

"Many Rivers To Cross" by Jimmy Cliff

... still with me!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_XJwY8xgoSk%C2%A0

rs allen 49 weeks 1 day ago
#23

Rules?

When quite young I once found some rules written on a rock in a stream but as I tried to clear the moss obscuring them off by wiping my hand over they were washed away letter by letter in the flowing water. Each word disappearing down stream before I could make out what they said in total. Sometimes I'd manage to follow whole words along but when I got back to the rest of the message the word wouldn't make any sense with any of the others I'd collected.

Should I try and make my way back to that rock or should I accept I've already learned from what the stream had to say?

I think what grated on me most Kay was the use of conveyor belt as the metaphor. To me it made the message all about the life of the edged steel institutionalization of the world we see all around us today as acceptable and so just get on for the ride.

Perhaps others gleaned some different meaning. Me? I'm still collecting all these odd pieces of the alphabet I keep picking up wafting about in the currents that never seem to come together to make a lot of sense for a conveyor belt world. Oh damn, there goes another letter..............gotta run, later.

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Steven PBarrett 49 weeks 1 day ago
#24

I'll admit, I got a little too cute with my phraseology and my apologies for my wobbly sense of humor. I was sober though. Which perhaps makes it all the more embarrassing. But it never hurts to be able to laugh at ourselves when mistakes are pointed out.

I wish I could be so generious to the present day so-called "conservative movement" which has allowed itself to become a tool in the hands of the wiliest ideological con artists when it comes to debasing basic black/white truths about science, economics, and other areas where Orwellian double-talk is being surpassed by the Trumpist nonsense called "truthful hyperbole."

What I'm referring to is the clever and hardly guiless pincher attack of the Right to create such a movement call for a "constitutional convention," and if this thing goes off, nothing will be safe. Absolutely nothing unless liberals, moderates and sensible-minded members of all parties, classes, regions, faiths, you name 'em, will rise up and say, "No" with such a resounding voice that only the most determinably obtuse could use a new COnstitutional Convention, during which only the wealthiest of all our citizens would have any say left.

I fear the kind of dangers we are capable of doing to ourselves as a nation more than anything our foreingn adversaries have in mind. According to one of the least quoted Founding Fathers (a group today's Right often loves to cherry pick from as they expect the rest of us to join them in genuflecting to their fav's such as Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton in particular.I'm referring to John Adams who warned: "... I fear that in every assembly, members will obtain an influence by noise, not sense. By meanness, not greatness. By ignorance, not learning. By contracted hearts, not large souls." (A-Z quotes.)

And no thanks to Citizens United, modern gerrymandering and other contemporary schemes devised to aid our present day moguls, oligarchs and kleptocrats, what Adams said more than two centuries ago, sadly, no, make it pathetically, holds today as a warning, not an observation for a danger we managed to put to rest ... yet. Because we havent and won't unless we wake up.

Legend 49 weeks 19 hours ago
#25

With people like Flynn, Manafort, Stone and others involved in Trumps campaign. This one about tops it (read link on Bannon). We need a special prosecuter to look at all tax records, business records and contacts with Russia for this entire administration. Every night Rachael Maddow has been laying out Russian connections and the rest of the 1% owned media is ignoring it. Except her ratings are at a peak.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/during-his-political-rise-...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-fake-news-russia_us_5...

http://www.businessinsider.com/roger-stone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-democrati...

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/rachel-maddow-connects-dots-do...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-r...

http://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2017/3/6/14820506/trump-russia-n...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/27/1638176/-Another-day-another-Tru...

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zapdam 49 weeks 11 hours ago
#26

Legend

the right wing finance Fox news. a thousand plus right wing stations coast to coast, Rush Limbaugh and a couple of dozen other talking heads, the LEFT does NOTHING to counteract this, that's why America doesn't know what to believe anymore.

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k. allen 49 weeks 7 hours ago
#27

Right/Left - Repub/Democ - NeoThis/That ... can we expand the framing of real concerns in real time beyond labels/retorts?

Zap, I don't have time to argue. Now and then I can comment, but more than anything, I appreciate your contribution. I hope you will continue to share.

If you're looking for a more accelerated conversation, you might try DailyKos. I think they still have a forum. I get several emails every day from newsletters to petitions to calls for action to support numerous efforts in different venues ...probably more your speed.

.ren has started an open blog, still small, but you might like it:

http://wapoc.forumotion.com

Meanwhile, though Thom's forum has been 'occupied' consequent to that seed planted, I still listen to Thom - and follow the forum, because I believe Thom and Louise, and their team mean well.

I would like for them to live through this chapter of change in our culture - so, I support them, even though the forum disappoints.

I wish them well, and thank them for their contribution.

If/when this train finally runs out of track, I hope we can salvage the cars and put them to use elsewhere ... imagine ... in this age of all(t)-corporate dominance, a non-profit corporation with independent franchise operations serving needs no longer supported by broken government programs.

... and then, ...?

I think people who devote their lives to government service out of love and an abiding sense of loyalty to core values like truth, justice, freedom, yes ... ((for whom, at what expense)), will find each other in different communities and work from common ground to govern in peace.

At least, that would be my piece of the dream.

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k. allen 49 weeks 7 hours ago
#28

I appreciate the analogy, rs (#23)

I think we never stop learning - whether or not we know it.

Can we ever go back? If we do get to go back, it's back around, again and again with gradual changes as we go ... maybe nothing ever truly repeats and every moment is new.

Once again, I would guess the language used to describe this phenomenal process did not translate easily or well into the linear constraints of English language and western culture.

Meanwhile, back at the factory, on the production line, we have the conveyor belt, the time clock, the paycheck, and the lives, and rule-bound outlooks of those whose lives depend on them.

What a trap for those secured within those walls. Still, a sense of shelter from wild winds blowing in the world out there.

What about wild winds blowing within?

rs allen 48 weeks 5 days ago
#29

When you speak of we are you thinking 'we' as a society or 'we' as in the personal?

As a society, so far it does seem it's kinda like a merry-go-round doesn't it with the same mistakes made over and over with only small incremental changes of the internal parameters but never with any concept that there ARE boundaries as the whole. Why dat? Shrug, can't say as I've never been or ever considered myself part of nor ever really wanted to belong to that cliche whatever the return might be. The investment was always too high for me.

Which brings me to the conveyor belt. That's the investment isn't it? To get on the conveyor belt. To hollow out all what one is by tossing away all connection with everything beyond the drive home and television set after the conveyor stops for the next 12 or 14 hours left of ones life, if even that half day is left, before it's ground hog day again and again.....and again. And it doesn't really matter what level one wants to ride that conveyor it comes down to the same thing, one has hollowed out ones soul to 'make it'.

Hell with that, thanks but no thanks I'll stay out here in the wild winds outside of those walls.

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zapdam 48 weeks 5 days ago
#30

rs allen , as a Canadian i'm sure i confuse many people when i post 'us or we' when referring to the American condition, but the truth is as the saying goes, 'we are all in this together'. For a Canadian its like a mouse living next to an elephant, if you as a society make a miss step we could be crushed, as a result most Canadians pay close attention to your every step. Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility, even the US annexing our country after a blitzkrieg of American propaganda, so convincing even weak minded Canadians might find it appealing. So it goes many many Canadians watch carefully and know more about your country than most Americans know.

rs allen 48 weeks 3 days ago
#31

I'll assume you're really talking to someone/everyone else and not me zap.

The short exchanges between Kay and I were kinda like something you might over hear at a camp fire gathering during a lull in the psycho babble as some people get up walking away into the darkness for more fuel either be it for more beer or wood for the fire. You feel somehow what we're talking about is relevant to what the issue was but..........ah! here comes the beer and fresh fire wood.

So, I don't why you're addressing me in the way you did. I understand quite the very obvious reasons why anyone should feel an existential threat both from within and out because of the USA. So why me? You think I can't remember day before yesterday? You think I might be some easy pick'ns? If you want to address the psycho babble of the camp fire I suggest you talk to them as this easy pick'ns has thorns and am no such thing as easy. Go talk down to all those assholes you seem willing to appease, accommodate and welcome into some big tent or another in the brotherhood of 'seeing' things differently but gee whiz you're really okay.

Yes zap I remember, you're Canadian.

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