YES there was COLLUSION that put Donald Trump in the Presidency , a collusion by Vlad Putin, right wing run voter subversion tools like Analytica , FOXfalseNEWS, Russians bots, Americas billionaire owned media, republican controlled states disenfranchising poor and minorities , plus voter apathy and even ill timed comments by FBI head James Comey that STOLE the presidency from Hillary Clinton. But even after all of this collusion TRUMP STILL LOST the total electoral vote to Hillary Clinton by 3 million.

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Coalage3 10 weeks 5 days ago
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No, Trump lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college. Please pay attention.

Lets review again for the umpteenth time, shall we? Hillary Clinton, seasoned political veteran, former US senator, former secretary of state, and former first lady of the US and the state of Arkansas, lost the 2016 presidential election to former TV reality star, overhyped real estate mogul, and never elected to anything Donald Trump.

I guess this fact has just not sunk in yet for some people. Now, how bad a candidate was Hillary that Trump even got within 3 million votes, and actually won the EC? You blame her loss on everything but the real reasons. It wasn't Russia, it wasn't Comey, it wasn't voter apathy, etc.

Hillary just really sucked as a presidential candidate who ran a pitiful campaign. In this case, its that simple.

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Kilosqrd 9 weeks 2 days ago
#2

I've been away for a while. Listen up Zap. Bob Mueller and his team of HRC supporters have been on the job/case for over a year and have found NOTHING. Let me say again...NOTHING.

K2

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zapdam. 9 weeks 1 day ago
#3

Quote Kilosqrd " I've been away for a while." Well Kilo as far as I'm concerned you haven't been missed. Your asinine comment " have found NOTHING. Let me say again...NOTHING." Is just a Fuc*****LIE. BUT hey you're a right wing CULT MEMBER , I might as talk to a F****** door knob. People like you can't be touched, your mind is so poisoned its broken. So do me a favor don't comment on anything I post because I think you're either a radical right wing kook not worth the powder to blow you to hell or a paid malcontent that would say or do anything for money. Kilo, take a hike.

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zapdam. 9 weeks 1 day ago
#4

One paragraph that explains just how bad Trumpworld’s legal trouble has gottenAn increasing number of Trump’s closest associates are under serious investigation by the FBI. Some have already pleaded guilty.

  • Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, is under investigation by New York prosecutors and federal officials regarding the Kushners’ ownership of a costly skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.
  • Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, has been indicted on money laundering and conspiracy charges stemming from his work in Ukraine.
  • Michael Flynn, the president’s onetime national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to lying to the FBI about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak a year earlier.
  • Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates and former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos have both pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI.
  • Then there’s Cohen — who, according to the Washington Post’s Carol Leonnig and Tom Hamburger, is “under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations.” Those charges may have arisen from Mueller’s investigation of the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia.

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zapdam. 9 weeks 1 day ago
#5

Bannon told Wolff that Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer in Trump Tower during the 2016 election campaign was “treasonous” and “unpatriotic.” Bannon also said that the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into possible Trump campaign ties to Russia is particularly dangerous to the Trump clan because it focuses on more than just that allegation. He noted that Trump Jr. and Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and White House adviser, were the targets of a money-laundering probe.

“You realize where this is going,” Bannon said. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through [former Trump campaign manager] Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner. It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

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zapdam. 9 weeks 1 day ago
#6

Americans remain the stupidest F******* electorate on the face of the planet. You'd think after Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George W Bush , Americans would have said NO MORE, but nope they doubled down on an idiot Donald Trump the idiot savant.

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gumball 9 weeks 1 day ago
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Quote zapdam.:

One paragraph that explains just how bad Trumpworld’s legal trouble has gottenAn increasing number of Trump’s closest associates are under serious investigation by the FBI. Some have already pleaded guilty.

  • Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, is under investigation by New York prosecutors and federal officials regarding the Kushners’ ownership of a costly skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.
  • Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, has been indicted on money laundering and conspiracy charges stemming from his work in Ukraine.
  • Michael Flynn, the president’s onetime national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to lying to the FBI about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak a year earlier.
  • Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates and former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos have both pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI.
  • Then there’s Cohen — who, according to the Washington Post’s Carol Leonnig and Tom Hamburger, is “under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations.” Those charges may have arisen from Mueller’s investigation of the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia.

If Putin's goal was to elect Trump why would he underwrite Thom's show?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Picture_with_Thom_Hartmann

Why would Russian intelligence collude with the Clinton campaign to spread dirt on Trump?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

Why would Russian oligarchs put hundreds of thousands of dollars into the Clintons personal bank account for a speech? Why, when in Russian, would Bill Clinton have a private meeting with Putin?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-russia-uranium-deal-689321

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/26/peter-schweizer/fact-checking-clinton-cash-author-claim-about-bill/

Why would the Russian troll farm create a FB event protesting the Trump election?

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook

When you go beyond the progressive media bubble that only discusses facts that support their narrative while ignoring those that conflict with it, you see the truth.

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zapdam. 9 weeks 22 hours ago
#8

TIME to get your accusatory bullshit updated. After hosting the program from 2010 to 2017. Hartmann announced his departure as host on September 29, 2017. Perhaps the reason Thom used RT as vehicle to get his message out, is because in America the billionaires control virtually ALL of the TV and AM radio.

your second accusation "Why would Russian intelligence collude with the Clinton campaign to spread dirt on Trump?" is obviously a propagada piece from the right wing.

As for the Clintons , Hillary had given 13 speeches all over the world Russia was just one of those speeches.

Your last reference has nothing to do Hillary Clinton , that appears to be Black Lives Matters being duped by Russian intelligence.

Better still why don't you just fu** O**

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gumball 9 weeks 20 hours ago
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Quote zapdam.:

TIME to get your accusatory bullshit updated. After hosting the program from 2010 to 2017. Hartmann announced his departure as host on September 29, 2017. Perhaps the reason Thom used RT as vehicle to get his message out, is because in America the billionaires control virtually ALL of the TV and AM radio.

Why do you think Putin chose to underwrite Thoms show for all those years?

Quote zapdam.:

your second accusation "Why would Russian intelligence collude with the Clinton campaign to spread dirt on Trump?" is obviously a propagada piece from the right wing.

Steele, a foreign agent, was paid by the Clinton campaign to dig up dirt on Trump. He received "dirt" from russian intel sources. The Clinton campaign then dispersed it US media outlets. This is fact.

Quote zapdam.:

As for the Clintons , Hillary had given 13 speeches all over the world Russia was just one of those speeches.

It was Bill Clinton who was paid 500k for a speech and had the private meeting with Putin. Why? You're citing a meeting with Kushner and some russian lawyer while ignoring a big check to the Clintons from Russia AND a PRIVATE MEETING WITH PUTIN HIMSELF!!!

Quote zapdam.:

Your last reference has nothing to do Hillary Clinton , that appears to be Black Lives Matters being duped by Russian intelligence.

Better still why don't you just fu** O**

No....it was a page set up by Russians masquerading as BLM. They set up an anti trump rally after the election.

IF the narrative pushed by the left was true, why would Russia do this? Why would they send a big personal payment to the Clintons? Why would they feed information to the Clinton campaign that made Trump look bad?

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zapdam. 9 weeks 19 hours ago
#10

Trump won his presidency with JUST 26% of the eligible voters, Trumps a two bit president and to even get that far he needed the help of billionaire Robert Mercer at CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA , republican controlled states purging millions from the voter rolls and VLAD PUTIN and his bots and a billion dollars worth of FREE promotion by MSNBC AND CNN. He LIED through his teeth to the voters , promising them tax cuts, affordable health care for everyone, no more wars, where dose it stop. So far in 18 months he's told FOUR THOUSAND LIES publicly.

TRUMPS an IDIOT SAVANT and your an IDIOT for supporting this sociopath, F*** O**

Legend 9 weeks 17 hours ago
#11

I know that the Mueller thing seems slow. Watergate took over 2 years. Do you honestly believe that Cohen pay to play relavations did not go to Trump? Look at his record.

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zapdam. 8 weeks 6 days ago
#12

Legend, WHAT the HELL is going on here, it's May 13th and there hasn't been UPDATE since April 27th.

rs allen 8 weeks 6 days ago
#13

Tired of hearing how the Mueller investigation is taking too long. If the DNC and Hillary had won we'd be tied up in investigations for.......forever. And in fact they still want her head and she lost!

At worst trumpkof is a low life grifter, at his best a mid-level mobster bag man for laundering money for whatever gang knocks on the door but any smart money stays as far away from him as possible because he's about as smart as a box of rocks. If one wants to know where the Mueller investigation is going look here.....follow the money. And do ya think cohen as a personal lawyer is an accident, check out the street creds of that piece of work. Trumkof.......a box of rocks, he can't even make money running a casino. Nah the smart money stays as far away from him as possible.

Zap, enre to post #12; it's called dieing.

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zapdam. 8 weeks 6 days ago
#14

WAITING to be SLAUGHTERED

IF you're watching any other sources of todays news other than corporate Americas , you'll see today May 14th 2018 alone , over 52 unarmed Palestinian protesters have been shot dead and 300 wounded by Israeli SNIPERS. Palestinians so overwhelmed with utter despair of their oppressive situation and now the American hard right government under Donald Trump opening an US Embassy in Jerusalem, that they'd stand in front of Netanyahu snipers and wait to be randomly slaughtered. The seven week protest death toll so far as of today is over one hundred with over 7000 wounded.

https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2018/5/11

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zapdam. 8 weeks 6 days ago
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WAITING to be SLAUGHTERED

IF you're watching any other sources of todays news other than corporate Americas , you'll see today May 14th 2018 alone , over 52 unarmed Palestinian protesters have been shot dead and 300 wounded by Israeli SNIPERS. Palestinians so overwhelmed with utter despair of their oppressive situation and now the American hard right government under Donald Trump opening an US Embassy in Jerusalem, that they'd stand in front of Netanyahu snipers and wait to be randomly slaughtered. The seven week protest death toll so far as of today is over one hundred with over 7000 wounded.

https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2018/5/11

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zapdam. 8 weeks 6 days ago
#16

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

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gumball 8 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote zapdam.:

Trump won his presidency with JUST 26% of the eligible voters, Trumps a two bit president and to even get that far he needed the help of billionaire Robert Mercer at CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA , republican controlled states purging millions from the voter rolls and VLAD PUTIN and his bots and a billion dollars worth of FREE promotion by MSNBC AND CNN. He LIED through his teeth to the voters , promising them tax cuts, affordable health care for everyone, no more wars, where dose it stop. So far in 18 months he's told FOUR THOUSAND LIES publicly.

TRUMPS an IDIOT SAVANT and your an IDIOT for supporting this sociopath, F*** O**

Clinton outspent Trump by nearly 2-1 and the media effectively gave her billions in free attack ads the way they covered Trump. The idea that Trump won from a (relative) handful of FB ads is absurd.

Trump won because Clinton was a terrible candidate. You want proof? She lost to DONALD FREAKING TRUMP!

rs allen 8 weeks 5 days ago
#18

If the us. weren't so morally bankrupt trumkof wouldn't have ever gotten within shouting distance of the white house.

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gumball 8 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote rs allen:

If the us. weren't so morally bankrupt trumkof wouldn't have ever gotten within shouting distance of the white house.

Yet this is the same country that elected Obama twice. If anything, it is more diverse than in '08.

Why was Trump able to flip so many states that voted for Obama? He was the first candidate since Perot to discuss trade policy during the general. Do you think that played a role?

rs allen 8 weeks 5 days ago
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That's your reply because Obama was twice elected? LOL!

If I remember right he was running against someone that wears magic underwear and makes his dog ride in a cage on top of the car. Then showing his true colors this same person groveled and licked trumkof's boots to become Secy. of State (wasn't it?).

Not too hard a choice for anyone to make in 2012 was it.

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gumball 8 weeks 4 days ago
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Quote rs allen:

That's your reply because Obama was twice elected? LOL!

If I remember right he was running against someone that wears magic underwear and makes his dog ride in a cage on top of the car. Then showing his true colors this same person groveled and licked trumkof's boots to become Secy. of State (wasn't it?).

Not too hard a choice for anyone to make in 2012 was it.

He was also a guy elected Governor of Massachusetts. As a Republican.

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gumball 8 weeks 4 days ago
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Quote rs allen:

That's your reply because Obama was twice elected? LOL!

If I remember right he was running against someone that wears magic underwear and makes his dog ride in a cage on top of the car. Then showing his true colors this same person groveled and licked trumkof's boots to become Secy. of State (wasn't it?).

Not too hard a choice for anyone to make in 2012 was it.

He was also a guy elected Governor of Massachusetts. As a Republican.

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zapdam. 8 weeks 4 days ago
#23

A one term Governor who then spent years trying to run away on the health care accomplishment he gave the state.

NOW he spends his time licking Donald Trumps boots, trying to suck his way into the White House, i mean the man has NO self respect. But that's typical hard line republicans.

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zapdam. 8 weeks 4 days ago
#24

Couldn't watch the corporate American news yesterday as Donald Trumps family opened his US Embassy in Jerusalem. While Netanyahu was wallowing in his hatred and fawning over Trumps family, Al Jazeera was showing Palestinians so frustrated they were just standing , waiting to be randomly slaughtered. That right wing pychopath Netanyahu was STILL ordering Israeli snipers to gundown unarmed Palestinians, i think the final day tally for Netanyahu's killing spree was just under 60, children included. So far Israeli snipers have killed in excess of 120 unarmed protesters and wounded thousands, most with genital and knee injuries, since the snipers have been told to deliberately maim and terrorize their targets. Some have been deliberately shot in the spine, leaving then paralyzed for life. TRUMP the FUCKING COWARD didn't even have the guts to show up .

rs allen 8 weeks 4 days ago
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Trumkof either had a tee time he couldn't miss or a grand jury date he couldn't turn down, I forget which it was.

A couple of weeks ago I read that trumkof wanted the brass at the pentagon to make up some plans to draw down some of the troops out of S. Korea. I'll lay you even money on what he plans to do with those troops.

Coalage3 8 weeks 4 days ago
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There have been no indictments for anyone in the Trump camp for Russian collusion, and there won't be. It is clear the Mueller is now fishing for other things to investigate. The dems are of course hoping that they take back the House in November so they can start impeachment proceedings. It will be interesting to see what "high crime" they plan to charge Trump with. Last I heard, having a big mouth and orange hair doesn't qualify. Paying off a hooker? How many congressmen have probably already done that?

Trump however did follow through on a campaign pledge to move the embassy. Something that Obama and Bush said they would do, but did not. But we know that they were just trying to get the Jewish vote.

Now here are the facts and the reality. Trump beat Hillary in the election. There is no credible evidence anywhere of fraud, vote tampering, collusion, etc. The reality is that Trump carried several states that went for Obama. That kind of kills the stupid racial argument that the looney left tries to put forth.

The question I have been asking for a while now is still out there. I want somebody to tell the forum how the election of Trump has specifically harmed them. No one has yet been able to answer that question.

Coalage3 8 weeks 4 days ago
#28

"The Future"....is that your supposed answer?

Who are you? Edgar Cayce? Nostradamus? Kreskin?

How is Trump specifically harming you right now?

rs allen 8 weeks 4 days ago
#29

Boy,

Did I address you? Who said that post had anything to do with you?

YOU are so ignorant of history, of even the history within your own life time, of even current events, so what makes you think I'd stoop to address you? YOU don't read and what you do read is so lacking in comprehension of any critical analytic skills whatever anyone says to you may just as well just piss into the wind.

For the umpteenth time, do your own damn homework kkk.

Coalage3 8 weeks 3 days ago
#30

At least I can try and answer a simple question without going into a coniption.

Oh, and one other thing...the insults prove you don't have a legitimate answer. If you don't have a decent response, just be a man and say so.

rs allen 8 weeks 3 days ago
#31

Nah, there couldn't possibly be any collusion with russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZMMaSKvhlY

Let's just call the whole thing off.

Coalage3 8 weeks 2 days ago
#32

From Andrew McCarthy: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/crossfire-hurricane-new-york-times-report-buries-lede/

But opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia is not the same thing as opening up a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign.

The media-Democrat complex has tried from the start to conflate these two things. That explains the desperation to convince the public that Putin wanted Trump to win. It explains the stress on contacts, no matter how slight, between Trump campaign figures and Russians. They are trying to fill a gaping void they hope you don’t notice: Even if Putin did want Trump to win, and even if Trump-campaign advisers did have contacts with Kremlin-tied figures, there is no evidence of participation by the Trump campaign in Russia’s espionage.

That is the proof that would have been needed to justify investigating Americans. Under federal law, to establish that an American is acting as an agent of a foreign power, the government must show that the American is purposefully engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, and that it is probable that these activities violate federal criminal law. (See FISA, Title 50, U.S. Code, Section 1801(b)(2), further explained in the last six paragraphs of my Dec. 17 column.)

But of course, if the FBI had had that kind of evidence, they would not have had to open a counterintelligence investigation. They would not have had to use the Clinton campaign’s opposition research — the Steele dossier — to get FISA-court warrants. They would instead have opened a criminal investigation, just as they did on Clinton when there was evidence that she committed felonies.

To the contrary, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation in the absence of any (a) incriminating evidence, or (b) evidence implicating the Trump campaign in Russian espionage. At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign. They used foreign-intelligence surveillance and informants.

That’s your crossfire hurricane.

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Alberto Ceras 2 8 weeks 2 days ago
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Quote zapdam.:

WAITING to be SLAUGHTERED

IF you're watching any other sources of todays news other than corporate Americas , you'll see today May 14th 2018 alone , over 52 unarmed Palestinian protesters have been shot dead and 300 wounded by Israeli SNIPERS. Palestinians so overwhelmed with utter despair of their oppressive situation and now the American hard right government under Donald Trump opening an US Embassy in Jerusalem, that they'd stand in front of Netanyahu snipers and wait to be randomly slaughtered. The seven week protest death toll so far as of today is over one hundred with over 7000 wounded.

https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2018/5/11

I’m two or three days late. I forgot to check the entry from Eduardo Galeano’s “Children of the Days” for May 14th. Here it is:

May 14

SOMEONE ELSE’S DEBT

On this day in 1948 the state of Israel was born.

Within a few months, more than eight hundred thousand Palestinians had been deported and more than five hundred of their villages had been turned to rubble.

Those villages, where olive, fig, almond and other fruit trees grew, now lie buried under highways, shopping malls and amusement parks. They are dead and unnamed on the map rechristened by the Government Names Committee.

Not much of Palestine is left. The two thousand years of persecution suffered by the Jewish people was invoked to justify this implacable gluttony, complete with property titles granted by the Bible.

Persecuting Jews had always been a European sport. Now the Palestinians are paying the bill.

Page 148, Children of the Days by Eduardo Galeano.

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zapdam. 6 weeks 3 days ago
#34

I take it from the last blog renewal date of April 27th 2018 , that Thom no longer gives a rats ass about our blog contributions or supporting this site.

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Alberto Ceras 2 6 weeks 3 days ago
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Quote zapdam.:

I take it from the last blog renewal date of April 27th 2018 , that Thom no longer gives a rats ass about our blog contributions or supporting this site.

It looks that way, zapdam. Then, too, it looks as if many former TH bloggers now prefer SSN's (Silly Social Networks).

Coalage3 6 weeks 3 days ago
#36

Meanwhile, back to the topic.

Now that we know a spy was planted in the Trump campaign going back to 2016, why did there even need to be a special prosecutor? Didn't the spy get the evidence on Trump? Didn't the spy get evidence of Russian collusion?

This whole episode is very, very strange and not going well for the left.

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