Time to push for Medicare part E – Medicare for All!

Time to push for Medicare part E – Medicare for All!

Despite what you might have seen on cable news networks Fox News and CNN, the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare today – ruling that Congress does have the power to penalize Americans who don’t buy health insurance – which was how the individual mandate works. Chief Justice John Roberts was the swing vote – siding with the four justices on the left to uphold the law.

So just like that – the Right’s arguments that President Obama shredded the constitution with his health reform law – go up in smoke. But for progressives out there – this ruling means we have to keep fighting. Ultimately what happened today was that the Supreme Court reinforced our current healthcare system, which relies on private, for-profit health insurance companies.

If we’re going to truly fix our nation’s healthcare system – we have to get rid of the for-profit motive. President Obama took the first step, making sure we’re all in this together – that everyone is contributing to everyone’s healthcare. Now it’s time to go further – time to push for Medicare part E – Medicare for All.

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donttazemebro's picture
donttazemebro 2 years 24 weeks ago
#1

Now Obama has the distinction of being THE PRESIDENT that legislated the LARGEST TAX INCREASE UPON THE US CITIZENS IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY. Now, all uninsured citizens must pay up to 13% of their income for PRIVATE INSURANCE or pay a penalty.

Question 1 - If ObamaCare premiums are a tax paid to private insurance companies...... are private insurance companies now considered part of the US Government???? When the private insurance companies raise the price of premiums, do they need the consent of the governed????? If not, how is this not taxation without representation????

Bottom line, the SCOTUS has undermined the US Citizens, by saying PRIVATE PREMIUMS are a tax.... they are not and congress has no right to make citizens buy private crap insurance.

A sad day for poor people. Yes, ObamaCare helps some people that can already afford insurance... but really is allowing your 26 year old child to remain on your insurance a great benefit, when the child really needs a job with insurance and a liveable wage.....

Just because the SCOTUS calls EXTORTION by PRIVATE insurance companies a TAX, does not make it so. It's just like Income Tax....which is a direct tax.... the congress said is it not a direct tax but it is... and was declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS in 1886. What a country.

Gary in NJ's picture
Gary in NJ 2 years 24 weeks ago
#2

Congress will not revisit health care reform for a generation. After the 1 1/2 year battle in 2009/2010, no one in Congress, INCLUDING DEMOCRATS, will bring it up again. We have Pres Obama to blame for his lack of leadership. No profile in courage.

The Affordable Care Act will be the healthcare insurance system in the nation for a generation. Get used to it!

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DRichards 2 years 24 weeks ago
#3

Supreme Court Upholds Obamacare … AS A TAXPosted on June 28, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

In 2009, Obama said that his healthcare reform bill is not a tax:

(And see this.)

The Supreme Court just upheld Obamacare … as a TAX:

A divided Supreme Court largely upheld the Obama administration’s health-care law, saying the law’s penalty for those who ignore a mandate to carry health insurance counted as a tax and was justified by Congress’s constitutional taxing power.

DRichards's picture
DRichards 2 years 24 weeks ago
#4

Seems to me that Obama Care is a boon for the insurance & medical corporations. There was a day when it was considered morally wronf to take advantage of someone's suffering. Perhaps someone can explain to me what Obama Care does to lower the cost.

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ken ware 2 years 24 weeks ago
#5

First you Progressives as you wish to be called are no more than ultra- liberals of the Democrat party, like the ultra-conservatives in the Tea Party arm of the Republican Party. First we have to pass Obama- care so all Americans will have affordable health insurance. We are the only industrialized country without healthcare for all our citizens, unlike the Europeans who care enough to cover all their people with an affordable insurance. Now that you have what you have been ranting about all year, it is not good enough because it wasn't saved in its entirety. How dare those Supreme Court justices change a penalty to a tax! Your sounding more like a group of whining children who did not get exactly what they wanted, and now you can only find blame in what you wanted to start with. Thom, you're the biggest whiners of them all. Now we march on to the next step of giving everyone Medicare. Well, I do have Medicare and it is not that GREAT! There are more restrictions on what the government will cover, then on most of the private insurance plans. I know, I'm forced to use it as my primary health insurance. I would like to see what type of insurance you whiners are lucky enough to afford for your family, probably the best there is. You all use the word Progressive as if it was a badge of honor. Well, from my point of view, you and the ultra-conservatives are more alike than not. Whiners, whiners, whiners and your way or the highway for any other point of view. I am proud to call myself an Independent voter and I do not have to bow to either ideology. Did you really think this Obama-care was going to be perfect in the end? We are capitalist, not socialist. Is that so hard to understand for you Progressives, man I hate that term, as if you were superior in your caring for other Americans compared to the rest of us. Grow up and deal with what we have to work with, especially when it comes out of Washington, which has trouble chewing gum and walking at the same time. You got what you have been crying for so deal with it......Progressives!!!! And, how many of you on either side of the political isle have read the whole bill? My guess is that very few of you that are complaining have actually read it. If you expect perfection from Washington you probably believe in the Tooth Fairy too. Time to grow up and look around at the real world and not expect perfection from an imperfect political system that we have in America......

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Gregory Wonderwheel 2 years 24 weeks ago
#6

I agree 100% that it is time for a single payer universal plan like Medicare for All.

But I disagree with characterizing today's decision a "ruling that Congress does have the power to penalize Americans who don’t buy health insurance – which was how the individual mandate works." That characterization is the way that Congress framed the metaphor which today's decision has explicitly declared to be an illegal and wrong legal metaphor. Today's decision says that even though Congress and the President may have thought they were mandating the purchase of health insurance with a penalty for those who do not buy it, what Congress and the President actually enacted was legislation that creates a tax for health care and then provides several ways to be excluded from the tax such as purchasing health care, being low income, etc.. So, as much as it is in my mind a bad law, today's decision was a good decision on the Constitutional grounds of telling Congress, the President and the American people exactly what this Act does.

I have said since the day the Affordable Health Care Act was enacted that mandates are illegal and only taxation for health care is legal, and today the SCOTUS confirmed that view.

So it is now time for everyone in the media, blogosphere, and Main Street, to stop using the terminology of "mandate and penalty" and use the legal terminology affirmed by the Supreme Court of "taxation and tax exclusion".

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jswood41 2 years 24 weeks ago
#7

Universal coverage makes too much financial and social sense for this failing Republic.

Those most hurt by the mindless economic policy of the past 40 years seem to be deaf to all but Fox drivel or don't read at all.

aneed2know 2 years 24 weeks ago
#8

In the first place, single payer insurance is working extremely well for a lot of modern nations, that are shown to have a quality of care equal to ours, and at far less cost than here. Single payer was desired by a majority of American citizens AND by the medical community, of which I was a part. In a nation like ours, healthcare should be a basic right!

Now, a comment on the "Its a tax" ruling by Justice Roberts:

I believe most people would agree that individuals should be responsible to pay for the personal benefits they receive in life. Those who do not take responsibility to purchase healthcare insurance for themselves, and their families, are effectively forcing the rest of us, who have paid for our healthcare insurance, to pay for theirs. Why? Because these un-insureds still call upon hospitals and other healthcare providers to care for them. And because of the moral and ethical values these facilities hold, they will not refuse to care for someone in need, insurance or not.
When society, through its laws, requires individuals to be responsible for themselves, or pay a penalty for not taking that responsibility, it is giving the individual the "option" of either paying for their own insurance, or paying a tax to the government. They can choose either one.
So, it is not a tax in the sense of other taxes, where we have no choice as to whether to pay them. It is simply a method of saying "It is not right, or fair, for you to force me to pay for your personal healthcare."
So, the Republican stance that it raises taxes, is simply a half truth, and should not be a reason for them to try to repeal a law that helps millions of Americans, of all ages and situations. Whatever else you might think of the new law, or the Obama administration, I think you would have to agree with me on this.
Personally, I'm not as happy with the Obama administration as I could have been, had they not taken single-payer off the table at the very beginning, but a Romney administration scares the bejeebers out of me, for lots of reasons.

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The Ambivalante 2 years 24 weeks ago
#9

Medicare Part E - Medicare for Everyone

How long will it take for Americans to tire of the middleman?

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r4house 2 years 24 weeks ago
#10

Health Care for Everyone! That's the endgame now! If we knew more about the rest of the other world's leading countries we could understand how they have single payer health care systems and use their experience to make it work here. The book by T.R. Reid, "The Healing of America" taught me a lot about how the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Taiwan, Japan and others have done this before. Several of those countries used a Harward professor, William Hsaio, as a consultant to design their healthcare systems. It can happen here.

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Palindromedary 2 years 24 weeks ago
#11

Obama Healthcare, written by Conservatives, to force everyone to give more money to the HealthScare industry which pretended that ObamaCare was a Progressive Communist plot. You can call it taxation, or whatever you want, but look what wealthy people have been able to get away with in getting all that favorable tax avoidance since Reagan. If this is a tax, then those who can least afford to pay the tax burden will be strapped with paying for those wealthy HealthScare CEO's bonuses. And the government will be the strong-arm enforcers to see that these CEOs live quite well. Taxation is like a huge mountain-sized bolder...once it is set in motion...only the rich people will have the ability to avoid being squashed. Little, seemingly Progressive, parts of the bill will easily be sneakily dispensed with over time. But the rolling bolder of taxation, ie: the ever increasing insurance payments, will continue to squeeze us all (except the rich, of course).

You really think that if this bill was such a Progressive bill that the Conservative SCOTUS would have passed it? Come on now! Be realistic! This whole thing was a smoke and mirrors ruse from the beginning. They know they pulled another fast one on us. But a lot of Progressives sure haven't figured it out yet! Even Michael Moore is gushing with gratitude and amazement at the SCOTUS decision. Come on, Michael, don't be such a pushover and sucker. You've been had...We've all been had!

And what is this business about small businesses with fewer than 50 employees will not be penalized for not covering their employees with healthcare? But a single person with only one employee...him/herself would be penalized?

One thing for sure...insurance companies may not be able to turn away someone with a pre-existing condition but they sure can raise rates for that person so high that he/she may as well not have insurance to begin with. And the government will continue to be the strong-arm bully boy that will break arms and legs and bash in heads if people stop paying the insurance mafioso. Our government (Congress, President, and the Supreme Court) has become so criminally corrupt that we will all have to suffer from it for the rest of our short lives. Out brief flame! Before they turn us all into Soylent Green! And the Republicans would still make it look like we were being fed steak and the Democrats would continue to claim it was only beef (but high quality USDA beef). But the reality is that they would both be wrong.

fatfax's picture
fatfax 2 years 24 weeks ago
#12

The Tea Raggers got Kicked square in the Nuts today !!!

Ha Ha Ha !!!

mauiman58's picture
mauiman58 2 years 24 weeks ago
#13

If Obamacare really is as unpopular as the polls say it is, his re election is doomed. People will come out of the woodwork to vote him out of office. We'll see what happens in November.

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michael d 2 years 24 weeks ago
#14

Baby steps. Change is hard for any culture, and health care for all is a big one. Sad to say, the very concept is un-American. We remain, only a culture in transition. Let's tell the truth about it: from our inception, we have lived the "wild west every man for himself" ethic. Let's take a hard look in the mirror and fess up.

For women who lost their husbands in the 1800's, many, if not most, had only the options of suicide or prostitution to survive. Even in the late 1800's the rates of suicide and homicide were so high in California, residents there could not buy life insurance. As a man, had I lived then, were I facing my own untimely death, I would rather my wife and daughter lived as members of an Indian tribe, where each member's life was in fact held sacred. Obviously, the history is more complicated in the particulars, but in the general, the point is made.

Today the essence of the Republican moral code, is that the free market, whatever its determinations, (even when manipulated by Republican legislators), is Just and Right. A call to civil obligation then, even to force us to pay for health care for the hardworking poor who can't afford it - this they view as "a violation of my rights." They just don't get it. These are regular and law abiding people, honest citizens, possessed of a cruel and thoughtless world view. Just like the brave soldiers in WWII, who went to church on Sunday and kissed their wives and children goodbye in the morning, and then went off and slaughtered Jewish people all day long. In the "obvious" world-view to these soldiers "it was only awful Jews after all." Similarly, conservatives say: "Oh those lazy freeloading poor people...they could all be rich if they only worked harder...so let's leave 'em without care and that'll teach 'em..." and they say: "lucky me I'm not them and theirs is not my problem..."

People think that the nature of 'evil' has something to do with fangs and capes and bizarre psychological maladies. This if a false perception. The 'simple and obvious' which remains 'simple and obvious' - just because it had always been a part of a culture - has ever in our history been the real villain. Only a little while ago, it was obvious to much of America that black people were less than human, and deservedly and rightly slaves. Today, much of America believes that the hardworking poor who can't afford health care, or the elderly who have done their part for America, or the young who can't yet work, are owed nothing. They believe the libertarian lie and falsity that no one member of society has a claim on another, not even by virtue of the sacredness of the human individual. They don't acknowledge or know or feel, the truely spriritual and Christian call and demand: that in this broader venture of our humanity, we survive and find all our happiness and fulfillment - together.

As I beleive, we are hearing today in the vociferous complaints of the tea partiers and the Republicans - the dying throes of an archaic world view. For my part, as a progressive - I am thrilled by the accomplishment, but still not quite proud. Regarding the precious and desperately necessary work of forwarding the evolotuion of our culture and politics, I ask myself...."Have I tried hard enough? Could I have done more?"

I remember I tried to tell myself "it will be alright" when Bush got elected. But then there was the Iraq war to save Cheney's Halliburton from bankruptcy and to fill the pockets of Bush's oil industry cronies: hundreds of thousands Iraqi's dead and a nation crumbled to ruins, and a trillion dollars of our money wasted. And there was the crashed world economy - by Greenspan's libertarian zealotry which let the banks do just whatever they wanted - and by Dugan's OCC lawsuit, ramming subprime down America's throats. And then the national debt driven sky high by a tax cut for rich people left unpaid for, and two wars left unpaid for as well..."

It was not "alright."

There remains, lifetimes of work in front of us....For now, we have to know that nothing is ever 'handled.' So cheers to all and lets have at it....

mauiman58's picture
mauiman58 2 years 24 weeks ago
#15

Read the following account of the fall out of the verdict in the Chicago Tribune. According to this writer, suporters of the single pay system (ie Bernie Sanders) could not have gotten a worse verdict because what Obama did can only done through a tax, not through regulating commerce. Now states are not forced to expand Medicare in 2016, and undoubtably a lot of them won't.

It will be interesting.

Here is that link:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-oped-0701-chapman-20120701,0,6645496.column

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Robindell 2 years 24 weeks ago
#16

When the topic of expansion of Medicare is brought up, the limited coverage of Medicare is not always mentioned. When I had surgery not long ago, I had to go to the hospital ahead of time to have what ar known as pre-surgical tests. In the pre-surgery waiting room, there was a notice posted which stated that pre-surgical testing is not covered by Medicare and that the patient would be responsible for the charges. These would probably amount to over $1000. Unless a patient has other coverage such as a Medicare supplement plan or has a Medicare Advantage plan that covers this item, the patient would have to pay for the tests, which are required before having surgery. The hospital added on their notice that they try and get the physicians to limit the tests to only those which are necessary.

Many elderly and disabled people need glasses to see, but Medicare does not cover eye exams for routine vision or contacts or eyeglasses.

Recentlly, PBS Frontline did a report on the large number of Americans who have no dental coverage and cannot afford to go see a dentist. Medicare does not provide any dental coverage except in very specialized, limited circumstances as I understand it. Dental services in the U.S. are more expensive than in many other countries. The program indicated that there are children who can die from an infected tooth if it is not treated. A lady who had not been to a dentist in years was in excruciating pain. She went to a temporary free health clinic that included limited dental services. They could not put in any crowns at this event because the equipment and time were both limited, so in her case, the dentist pulled all of the teeth that were causing her pain and then promised to arrange for her to receive free dentures at an affilated dental clinic. The show then went on to report on two corporate dental chains, the first of which specializes in dentistry for children with Medicaid. Most private dentists do not accept Medicaid patients any more due to the low reimbursement rate. In two states, Frontline along with the Center for Public Integrity found that the company's clinics installed more crowns in children than was the average for all dentists in Medicaid. The reimbursement rate for crowns is about twice as much as it would be for a regular filling. One mother was dissatisfied with the dental services her daughter received. She told the dentists to stop trying to install a crown because the anesthetic had worn off and the girl was in pain. The replacement dentist who came in got the crown on, but it fell off later on. The woman's daughter was referred to another dental office. That dentist found that one of the teeth that was supposed to have been crowned only had a stain on it that was cleaned off. The dentist and the mother both questioned whether the other teeth that had been worked on even had any cavities in the first place, and if the corporate clinic was just making the whole thing up. A former employee of the dental chain said that after time went on, they had daily financial goals that had to be met. Then, the program turned to another dental chain for adults. A truck driver with a tooth ache was shown. He had not gone to the dentist for years because of the cost. The dentist said that he needed dentures. The proposed cost was $6000. The dentist advised him to select the best guarantee for the dentures that he could manage. He then spoke with the clinic manager, a non-dentist, about the different packages that they have and how much it would cost. An outside finance company offers a health credit card at a high interest rate. These companies start charging interest even before the work begins. The CEO denied that bonuses are paid, but a dentist who used to work thecompany ir said that they were paid extra on the basis of sales volume. One eldelry patient initially only wanted one tooth worked on, but she came away with a bill for thousands of dollars. The company claimed that she expressed a desire to have a completely new smile, involving work on several teeth.

I have heard of dentists who push crowns over fillings, when a filling could be replaced with a new filling if need be, and dishonest dentists who say that teeth have decay when another dentist would or did not find those problems. But most dentists I am sure do a decent job, and if someone is in pain and has an infection, not providing treatment is inhumane.

The other thing is that an expansion of Medicare should Medicaid, if it would be truly a single payer plan. Too many right-wing governors will agree to the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act. The only way to cover those people who would otherwise be eligible would be through a federal program that would cover everyone who does not have health insurance. Even if Vermont eventually gets a single=payer program, that would not help those in other, more conservative states. Many doctors do not take Medicaid, and some also do not take Medicare patients because of the reimbusement schedule. All of these improvements would cost money, money which the federal government does not currently have.

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