ALEC wants to kill Obamacare.

ALEC wants to kill Obamacare.

The American Legislative Exchange Council is pushing new legislation to prevent insurance companies from accepting subsidies under the healthcare law. In public, the new legislation is being called the “Healthcare Freedom Act,” but behind closed doors it's known as the “Obamacare Kill Bill.” The law would suspend the licenses of health insurers who accept Obamacare subsidies, making it virtually impossible to insure those who can't afford new plans.

If one of these laws were to actually go into effect, it would force insurance companies to try and collect premiums from patients, or lead them to stop doing business in the states in which it was enacted. Already, the measure has been introduced in Ohio and Missouri, despite the fact that it would be preempted by federal law. States do regulate their own insurance licenses, but the law is an obvious conflict to the federal Affordable Care Act.

Even after more than 40 attempts to repeal Obamacare, a government shutdown, and Ted Cruz's make-believe filibuster, Republicans don't seem to get the point that the healthcare law is here to stay. This new legislation is just another pathetic attempt to dismantle the law, at the expense of millions of Americans who need health insurance. ALEC's legislation doesn't represent “healthcare freedom,” it represents partisan lawmakers and corporate interests who will do anything to undermine our president.

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DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 39 weeks 5 days ago
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This just proves the Republican Reich Wing is anti-life, and anti-people.

However, it is quite fortunate that no such law has a snowball's chance in hell of passing the Senate or getting a signature from the President. More hot air from the hot air party.

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stecoop01 39 weeks 5 days ago
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It's just further proof that the Republicans firmly believe those who are unable to work because of disability or illness should just drop dead. They only want healthy slaves.

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DAnneMarc 39 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote DAnneMarc:This just proves the Republican Reich Wing is anti-life, and anti-people.

If anyone thinks for one minute that the Republican Reich Wing isn't anti-life, or anti-people, kindly explain why they deliberately turned the stars on their logo upside down, honoring Satan just when George W. Bush was elected?

If you are at a loss for an explanation might I suggest it is because they either believe that they are worshipping Satan; or, they believe they are Satan. There is really no other explanation; otherwise, they would have proudly, publically announced the reason when they did it.

It isn't necessary to believe in Satan to believe that other people believe in Satan. The best way to understand and predict the behavior of others is to understand what they believe in. If you look at the GOP from the perspective of a bunch of Satanists--essentially a bunch of self absorbed, hypocritical, paranoid sociopaths; who, believe there is a supernatural deity that sponsors their sordid ideals--then understanding their actions and statements makes much more sense. How can anyone feel guilt or remorse when they believe they are serving a God?

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DAnneMarc 39 weeks 5 days ago
#4

Obama just launched single-payer in America

Quote Article Daily Kos:Did you notice? Did you see what happened when everyone was complaining about a website? Single-payer got started in America.

Vermont is using authority granted under the Affordable Care Act to start a single-payer system. Most Americans still don't know what the phrase "single-payer" even means. It had little support in Congress in 2009 and Senate "Democrats" like Nelson and Lieberman even killedthe public option. But, ACA had this sweet little provision that allowed states to set up a single-payer system and now people will see it in action. You know what that means.

Quote Article Daily Kos:Oh I know this is hard to swallow. Obama is third-way! He's dismantling the safetynet! A corporatist! He killed the public option!

Whatever else he is, Obama is a President who acts in a thoughtful, deliberate way that the chicken little headlines of the day often miss. As many predicted, ACA is already leading to the kind of transformative progressive change Obama promised. The progressive movement will be responsible for showing the nation how well single-payer works after the Vermont system goes into effect. When public and non-profit insurance becomes the national norm, we'll know where it began.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/24/1258135/-Obama-just-launched-single-payer-in-America?detail=email#

http://www.policymic.com/articles/70549/vermont-wants-to-be-the-first-state-with-universal-health-care

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Aliceinwonderland 39 weeks 5 days ago
#5

I'm still getting e-mails from the Repubnuts requesting donations, several times a week. And I keep e-mailing 'em back saying "Kiss mah royal ass!", or some variation on that theme. - AIW

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DAnneMarc 39 weeks 5 days ago
#6

Aliceinwonderland ~ It is wonderful that you keep responding to the "Repubnuts" that way. However, I hate to break the new to you, but the Reich Wing are full of talkers. Listening is not their forte. They only hear one voice, and that ain't you or me. Strangely enough I seriously doubt you are the only source of those sediments. Nevertheless, I applaud your reply's. They fill my heart with tidings of joy. So please keep it up, strike the harp, and join the chorus. As I understand it, every time someone tells a "Repubnut" to "Kiss mah royal ass," an angel gets his wings. Joy to the world!

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bobbler 39 weeks 5 days ago
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# If anyone thinks for one minute that the Republican Reich Wing isn't anti-life, or anti-people, kindly explain why they deliberately turned the stars on their logo upside down, honoring Satan just when George W. Bush was elected?

BOBBLER: ~~~~~~ Since republicans do the exact I opposite of the teachings of Jesus (feed the poor, healthy sck, etc), it is entirely appropriate to ponder if republicans are satanists (because they do the opposite)..

What is a miracle, is why this is not F'n obvious to Christians who vote republican. Can they really not even know the basic teachings of Jesus?

Jeeeeezzzzzzz

ScottFromOz 39 weeks 5 days ago
#8

This law would be to "Healthcare Freedom" as "Citizens United" is to citizens. More corporate anti-social marketing hype. This is like when Republican posters to online fora use a handle such as "alldemocratsaredopes" or something like that.

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Aliceinwonderland 39 weeks 5 days ago
#9

Yep "bobbler", I concur: Jeeeeezzzzzzz! Some people are so full of contradictions, it's like... HELLO, anybody home? Ideological dyslexia....

Marc, I don't care if the Repubnuts are listening to my sentiments. It still feels good to take a nice little dump in their reply box. Just the comic relief it brings you makes it well worth the effort. - AIW

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Aliceinwonderland 39 weeks 5 days ago
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"Healthcare Freedom Act"? Boy, that's a stretch. More like the "Death Panel Extortion Act". You could call it the "Pay And Die Anyway Act", or "Thin The Herd Act".... HaHaHaHaHa! - AIW

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telliottmbamsc 39 weeks 5 days ago
#11

ObamaCare is shit and should be killed but ALEC is trying to kill it for the wrong reason.

The American People deserve a Single-Payer system. HealthCare for ALL! The American People deserve real heatlhcare and NOT Obamacare - a system that is an unnecessarily costly special interest cluster fuck that doesn't even ensure everybody, and has negative consequences to the economy.

When People yell in favor of ObamaCare all I hear is them yelling to Washington "SCREW ME! SCREW ME!"

ObamaCare is velvet fascism. Wrap an act of government privatization (wealth concentration) with something you can argue is a good thing (e.g. increasing the number of insured People) and you can get People to digest it easier. But make no mistake - the pros of the program are dwarfed by the size of the cons being committed. But a fascist govt's job is to obfuscate that fact. And that includes creating a culture where those who critize the program are logged out public forums.

And how about the question: Should "luxury, well-to-do lefties" be allowed to pass judgement on a govt law whose consequences will probably never really effect them? Like the consequences of the government overfeeding$$$ a corrupt industry. If your wealthy it is more likely as not that ObamaCare doesn't really effect you. And like a costly war, any consequences of ObamaCare$$$ on other aspects of government goods and services won't really effect a luxury lefty either. The demand for prudence out of our government is negatively related to the wealth of the Democrat - if your rich you don't care, but if your poor....you will be made to feel any consequences of a fiscally profligate government. Similarily, if you are poor you - and not so much the luxury lefties - will feel the consequences of any acts by your government that increases the corporate overlords control over America.

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DAnneMarc 39 weeks 5 days ago
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Quote telliottmbamsc:ObamaCare is shit and should be killed but ALEC is trying to kill it for the wrong reason.

telliottmbamsc ~ Wrong! The ACA is riddled with flaws but is a giant step in the right direction. First, it has the immediate benefit of dramatically lowering low income premiums from $1-2K/mo to around $50-200/mo. That puts more people on the role and saves everyone money in many ways. Secondly, it ensures essential care to those who really need it by banning discrimination because of pre-existing conditions. Third, it compels insurance companies to spend at least 85% of the revenue generated on actual health care; thus, limiting overall profits. Finally, it has a hidden stipulation that allows individual States to use the Medicaid funds made available to fund statewide Single-payer instead of the ACA. That, my friend, is the only way the ACA should every be "killed." The only major problem--which we both agree on--is that it allows private for profit insurance companies to continue to participate instead of abolishing them completely.

Of course, that may only be a temporary problem. As President Obama said when he shot down the Single-payer idea. "Single-payer" would be too disruptive to the current system." I believe what he intends to do with the ACA is to slowly wean us off the for profit insurance industry and substitute it for Single-payer on a State by State basis; thus, giving the States and the insurance industry time to adapt without any catastrophic changes to the economy or the insurance employees way of life. I also believe that opposition to the ACA originates at the top of the insurance industry by those executives who stand to lose the most in easy profits that they extort from the public by denying healthcare to the most needy of the population and price gouging the rest. These vampires need to be stopped and I am in full support of any means by which to drive a stake into their greedy black hearts.

You can argue until the cows come home that the ACA "is shit and should be killed." However, until you come up with a better idea that may lead to Universal Single-payer health care for all, all you are doing is beating a dead horse. Personally, I don't particularly like anything other than what was promised in the original campaign platform either. However, I also demand change. The ACA--if nothing else--is that critical change that this country needs. If something better comes of it, all the better. To tell the truth, I firmly adore the idea that tax payer subsidies are going to fund this program. That alone, by any name, is an answer to my hopes and prayers. Tax money used to care for citizens health. Nice ring to it, don't you think? Sounds much better to me then tax payer money going to subsidize the oil industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the auto industry, the GMO industry, the spying industry, the military industrial complex, or the illegal international war industry. As far as I am concerned you can cut all those subsidies and use the windfall to pay for the ACA/Obamacare. Money that is much better spent.

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Aliceinwonderland 39 weeks 5 days ago
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Tellio- I agree with 95% of your post, except for one point. I'd still rather Obamacare stay intact, at least for now, because it gives individual states the option of devising systems of their own. Under Bernie Sanders' leadership, Vermont has already established a single-payer system, made possible under the provisions of Obamacare. If that is successful and saves tons of $$$, other states will inevitably be jumping on the single-payer bandwagon. Long as Obamacare makes it easier for states to adopt single-payer, I'm all for Obamacare. As Thom has pointed out time & again, this could ultimately open the floodgates for Medicare For All. This is how Canada's system became part of the commons. It started in one province, then spread. If Thom's prediction proves accurate, we could have Medicare For All within a decade. And then... POOF! No more Welfare Queen Billionaire healthcare-aparteid parasites, sacrificing sick people on the altar of Big Money while sucking the life's blood out of our economy!

In the meantime, I refuse to pay into this for-profit extortionists' junk insurance con game. I've already made do without healthcare for a long time now. Much as I hate gambling with my life, it's a gamble whether I sign up or not. I might as well gamble for free, then! At least I have the satisfaction of knowing I've contributed nothing to Mister CEO's fifth mansion in Bermuda. - Aliceinwonderland

P.S. Marc, you'd already posted your comments when I first posted this. You make many excellent points. Thank you, buddy! Well said.

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DAnneMarc 39 weeks 4 days ago
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Quote bobbler:Since republicans do the exact I opposite of the teachings of Jesus (feed the poor, healthy sck, etc), it is entirely appropriate to ponder if republicans are satanists (because they do the opposite)..

bobbler ~ As someone who has studied the teachings of Christ to some length I can testify that the average "Christian" I have run into doesn't have a clue. Most who proudly oppose marriage equality don't have a clue that Jesus preached that his followers never swear an oath of any kind. Therefore, even heterosexual marriage is anti-Christian. Your average "Christian" would attack you if you told them that because they don't already know it.

Palindromedary 39 weeks 3 days ago
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Quote Cryptome.org:Obama's Web Portal Contractor Runs Army Human Terrain System:
CGI Federal Everywhere

by John Stanton

Who knew?

President Obama should have made sure that his staff checked out the performance credentials of CGI Federal before awarding it millions of dollars to push out a key element of the President's signature healthcare initiative.

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In an intriguing twist it seems that the Affordable Care Act web portal and the Army Human Terrain System were awarded to CGI Federal based, in large part, on having friends in high places.
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www.cryptome.org/2013/11/acahts.doc

Quote Amazon.com:
US Army Human Terrain System, 2008-2013: The Program from Hell Paperback
by John Stanton (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Army-Human-Terrain-System-2008-2013/dp/1491063920

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http://www.policymic.com/articles/74159/5-insanely-wasteful-projects-the...

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Aliceinwonderland 39 weeks 2 days ago
#16

Another little nudge from the National Republican Senate Committee:

"We're down to the final hours. There is only one day left to add your contribution to our November fundraising push to win the Senate majority in 2014.

 To help us build an even stronger election effort, don't forget that I am triple matching every donation - giving your donation three times the power. 

Will you chip in $100, $50, or $25 to win control of the Senate majority?
 
Thanks, 

- Senator John Thune"

Senator Thune, you're asking me to contribute to the party that wants to deny me things like healthcare and social security. What is it about "kiss my royal ass" you guys can't understand? - Aliceinwonderland

Palindromedary 39 weeks 1 day ago
#17

And a big KMRA to Senator Thune from me too!

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DAnneMarc 39 weeks 16 hours ago
#18

AIW ~ A big KMRA to Senator Thune and his Cabal from me too!!

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