Dick Cheney Should be Rotting in The Hague, Not Writing Editorials

Dick Cheney Should be Rotting in The Hague, Not Writing Editorials

If there’s one person who has absolutely zero business criticizing anyone for how they’re running the country, it’s Dick Cheney. This should be obvious to pretty everyone by now, but apparently the Wall Street Journal didn’t get the message. Today, the paper published an editorial by Cheney and his daughter Liz in which the former Vice President blasts the “collapsing Obama doctrine” of foreign policy.”

Taking the rapid advance of ISIS radicals through northern Iraq as his cue, Cheney accuses President Obama of “emboldening” America’s enemies. He writes:

Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is ‘ending’ the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - as though wishing made it so. His rhetoric has now come crashing into reality...America's enemies are not ‘decimated.’ They are emboldened and on the march.

According to Cheney, the “failures” of the Obama presidency - which I guess are to not get the country involved in any more decade-long wars - are proof that our first African-American president is actively trying to take down America. He writes:

Despite clear evidence of the dire need for American leadership around the world, the desperation of our allies and the glee of our enemies, President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring he has taken America down a notch. Indeed, the speed of the terrorists' takeover of territory in Iraq has been matched only by the speed of American decline on his watch.

Forget for a second that President Obama has continued many of the policies of the Bush administration - the drone wars and NSA spying both started under Cheney’s watch - and just consider the fact that Dick Cheney of all people actually has the gall to call someone else out for “taking America down a notch” and “being so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.”

You don’t need a political science degree to know how ridiculous this is. The Iraq War was the single biggest foreign policy disaster in recent - or maybe even all - of American history. It cost the country around $4 trillion dollars, killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent civilians, left 4,500 Americans dead, and turned what was once one of the more developed countries in the Arab World into a slaughterhouse.

Make no mistake about it, Iraq would not be the violent place it is today if the Bush administration hadn’t lied its way into a costly, unnecessary, and destructive war. Ironically, things have played out exactly as Cheney said they would when he was asked back in the 1990s about why the first Bush administration didn’t march all the way to Baghdad during the First Gulf War.

Really, there’s no one who’s done more to damage America’s reputation around the world and embolden our enemies than our former Vice President. The Iraq War was the best Al Qaeda propaganda video ever, and whatever Cheney might say about the surge and how successful it was, the truth is that there were no terrorists in Iraq before we invaded.

But Cheney’s hypocrisy on Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the reasons why he’s probably the worst person ever to listen to for advice on, well, everything. Remember, Cheney was the guy who almost bankrupted Halliburton by exposing it to asbestos liabilities and then used his position as Vice President of the United States to bail the company out with no-bid contracts during the Iraq War, all while owning millions in Halliburton stock options.

Remember, Cheney was the guy who played a key role in the Bush administration’s illegal torture program. You know - the illegal torture program that was based on tactics invented by Maoist China and turned our country into a pariah state. And remember, Cheney was the guy who was supposed be on the lookout for terrorist attacks in the summer of 2001, but was too busy plotting out ways to attack Iraq to listen to warning after warning about how Al Qaeda was about to kill thousands of Americans.

Cheney let 9/11 happen on his watch.

American history has had its share of villains - J. Edgar Hoover, Joe McCarthy, and Richard Nixon come to mind as some of the worst - but there is no one in recent history who has disgraced our country quite like Dick Cheney has. He lied his way into an illegal war, profited off that war, and shredded the Constitution. He’s a war criminal and has the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people on his hands.

Dick Cheney should be rotting in a prison cell at The Hague, not writing editorials for the Wall Street Journal.

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 1 day ago
#1
Quote Thom Hartmann:Remember, Cheney was the guy who played a key role in the Bush administration’s illegal torture program. You know - the illegal torture program that was based on tactics invented by Maoist China and turned our country into a pariah state. And remember, Cheney was the guy who was supposed be on the lookout for terrorist attacks in the summer of 2001, but was too busy plotting out ways to attack Iraq to listen to warning after warning about how Al Qaeda was about to kill thousands of Americans.

Cheney let 9/11 happen on his watch.

American history has had its share of villains - J. Edgar Hoover, Joe McCarthy, and Richard Nixon come to mind as some of the worst - but there is no one in recent history who has disgraced our country quite like Dick Cheney has. He lied his way into an illegal war, profited off that war, and shredded the Constitution. He’s a war criminal and has the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people on his hands.

Dick Cheney should be rotting in a prison cell at The Hague, not writing editorials for the Wall Street Journal.

Thom Hartmann ~ That's what I call pulling no punches! Well, you certainly will be hard pressed to get an argument against that here! Cheney deserves a firing squad!

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jkh6148 19 weeks 1 day ago
#2

I am curious, does anyone else think as I do, that dicktator dick's bad back on 1-20-09 was a ploy to avoid attending President Obama's first inauguration ceremony? I think dicktator dick just could not tolerate seeing a black man become president, however, someone convinced him that he did indeed need to attend.

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goat-on-a-stick 19 weeks 1 day ago
#3

I have so much worry for this country.

The President and vice President who got us into war, and who should be imprisoned for war crimes, not only roam free, but are honored.

The current President who has been trying to pull us out of the wars is mocked because of it, and even has the word impeachment thrown at him!

Terrible times, terrible times...

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delster 19 weeks 1 day ago
#4

The war and all the events that led up to this war will be revealed in time with intelligent curiosity and scientific evidence. There are so many credible intelligent patriots and veterans who question the events. This will just not go away.

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Sooner08 19 weeks 1 day ago
#5

It is common knowledge that Dick had the plans to invade Iraq in place during the re-election campaign of HW. When that didn't pan out he just put the plans in storage. Then W was appointed the first time and, EUREKA! Cheney couldn't get through the doors of the CIA fast enought to start manufacturing a reason to invade Iraq. Nice try Dick but you seem to thrive on thinking that we are all stupid and you and yours can just spew out your rhetoric with impunity, with all the little sheeple following along nodding their heads.

Going into Iraq in 2003 was be biggest foreign policy blunder the U.S. has ever made so stop trying to spin your mistakes onto the current administration.

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Aliceinwonderland 19 weeks 1 day ago
#6

As anyone who has read or participated on this forum would know, I am NO Obama fan. But this is ridiculous. Dick Cheney claiming "Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many…" Talk about calling the kettle black (no pun intended!). Is there no limit to the hypocrisy of these neocon fascist war criminals?! Good god y'all. And isn't it laughable that Cheney would claim the world "needs" American "leadership"; a "dire" need, no less!

America's real enemies are Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz (sp?), Rumsfeld and their ilk. They are evil incarnate. I'm so glad I kicked the TV habit, so I don't have to see these ugly fascists on their sleazy soapbox preaching about what they think Obama should be doing right now. Gimmie a break. And shame on the Wall Street Journal for giving the podium to Cheney! Like Marc says, he belongs in front of a firing squad for all his crimes against humanity.

This is bad for our collective sanity.

Thom, the one thing in your introductory post I have issue with is your suggestion that the Iraq war could be the biggest disaster in American history. Bigger than Vietnam?! Let's not forget, Thom, we lost ten times more soldiers in Vietnam compared to Iraq, and killed millions of Vietnamese… for no reason! Just like we killed Iraqi civilians for no reason.

I dislike Obama with a passion, yet so many of the people who trash him are worse than he is. I don't even get to enjoy all the dissing! Kinda reminds me of that old Rolling Stones song: "Can't get no satisfaction!" - Aliceinwonderland

P.S. By the way "ckrob", your post is hardly off topic. I'm astonished to learn that even Glenn Beck has admitted how wrong we were, invading Iraq.

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ckrob 19 weeks 1 day ago
#7

Sooner08, GOAS and AIW ---- Thanks for your contributions today. Do you like "Fux News" as a new variant of the Fox name? I think it has a certain ring of truth.

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Elioflight 19 weeks 1 day ago
#8

All I can say--all that needs to be said--is Amen and how do we make it happen?

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Buddha 19 weeks 1 day ago
#9

Once an ass...., always an ass....!

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2950-10K 19 weeks 1 day ago
#10

I wonder if Bin Laden ever got hammered and shot a friend in the face?

The Night of the Living Dick!

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Aliceinwonderland 19 weeks 1 day ago
#11

Ha-HAH! Buddha, "carob", Elioflight, 10K, you guys are on a roll!

Ck, "Fux" News has more than a ring of truth. It cracks me up. Sounds like my favorite cuss word… by accident? (I don't think so.) Anyway, thumbs up! - AIW

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 1 day ago
#12

Isn't this fun? As I suspected this is the most harmonious agreeing frenzy I've ever seen on this blog. So far 0 out of 12 dissenters. The tip of my hat to you all.

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 1 day ago
#13

How about this one? Every time in my life time, that a Dick has gotten into the White House this country has been F@#ked.

evj33 19 weeks 1 day ago
#14

I strongly feel that if instead of moving forward, if instead the country had stopped, thoroughly gone over all that occurred to involve us, the USA, in the Iraq war, had prosecuted & held people accountable for their misdeeds, errors, etc., including former President Bush, then Cheney would have been thoroughly put in his place, which might have included prison. Then he wouldn't now have the status to make the statements he's making. Those statements are in fact hurting President Obama. President Obama has made a major error in not clarifying the truth of what happened. I wish he had done what Nelson Mandela did, something of that order. You really cannot go forward without taking care of business first.

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Aliceinwonderland 19 weeks 1 day ago
#15

Very good, Marc! Take a bow.

The world "needs" American leadership like a cow "needs" a butcher. Only a fascist would aspire to "lead" the entire world.

Obama's rationale for not holding these war criminals accountable was so pitifully lame, I was embarrassed for him. "Looking forward, not backwards" or something along those lines. Pretty spineless, I'd say. But all you journalists and whistleblowers out there had better watch your backs! - AIW

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 1 day ago
#16

evj33 ~ Agreed! However, I'll see that and raise you three decades. We should have done that with Nixon. If Nixon was held accountable for that immoral and illegal "police action" in Vietnam no one in power would have ever have dared pull the same stunt in Iraq; or, anywhere else. When you don't nip these things in the bud they never go away--they just get worse. Now that this cabal is still walking around free as a bird and singing about it I can't even begin to imagine what future crime plans are laying on their table. What reason do they have to even hesitate? I guarantee they will not go gracefully in that good night. That notion is the opiate of the masses and the latest popular American 'pipe' dream.

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Aliceinwonderland 19 weeks 22 hours ago
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P.S. If Cheney's comments are "hurting" Obama as "evj" suggests, it serves Obama right. This is the thanks Obama gets for letting war criminals skate free! And comparing Obama to Mandela is like comparing Britney to Odetta… or particle board to mahogany.

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richinfolsom 19 weeks 22 hours ago
#18

Seems the scenario for the last twenty years since Gingrich became speaker has been much the same. Whether screaming about shutting the government down, trivializing the Presidency over Clinton having what Bill Maher describes as "prison sex" in the Oval Office - working our way through the failed intelligence of 9/11; the deliberate failing of intelligence of Iraq; the failed intelligence bath running the US economy into the ground - and yet they scape goat and blame the "liberals."

Where was Nancy Pelosi in 2006. The political party of FDR surrendered to political fundraising and millionaire lobbyists. No one held accountable on the reich's march to war, electronic spying, institutionalized torture, and the near collapse of the United States banking system.

where was Pelosi when Carl Rove refused to respond to a subpoena? Where would he be now if he was held in contempt? Probably not on fox.

like a rabid dog, it is not Cheney we should focus on - rather demand the attorney general and the few congress people who have a shred of decency do what it takes to demand accountability. You don't ask a thug why he did something - you put him jail so he doesnt do it again

rich in Folsm

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mcowley01 19 weeks 20 hours ago
#19

Alice, the Vietnam war was ten times worse in terms of American deaths but it didn't spawn an unholy host of Vietnamese terrorists. Revenge is an Islamic trait but Cheney, Bush et al are too greedy (I was going to say unintelligent, but maybe not) to care about all that.

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Palindromedary 19 weeks 20 hours ago
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Quote hartmann:Cheney let 9/11 happen on his watch.[
They didn't just "let it happen"! He and the other Neocons planned it, engineered it, and orchestrated it! It was high treason and out right murder of thousands of American citizens! I'd say it is more than Cheney who should be swinging at the end of a rope!

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Willie W 19 weeks 17 hours ago
#21

I don't believe Dick and the boys planned 911 but I do believe the saw it comming. This is just the massive event they needed to start the war they were all drooling over. Just what they needed to manipulate the public into allowing them to have their way with many things.

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ckrob 19 weeks 16 hours ago
#22

Off topic:

Fux News: pronounced Faux. From the Latin root "F U".

Glenn Beck apologized to Liberals saying "we Reich-wingers were wrong eleven years ago about going into Iraq." Better late than never?

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Elioflight 19 weeks 16 hours ago
#23

Well, the war-chicken-hawks could always pick up their weapons, charter their own airplane and war vehicels, spend their own treasure and lives, and try to fight for their oil profits/interests on their own. (How did our oil get under their sand?)

We should not spend anymore taxpayer (the people who actually PAY taxes) treasure or the lives of OUR children to protect THEIR interests. It's the best time for the United States to become dependent on renewable energy, create new jobs, and give science all the money used on the wars that protect business to advance cold fusion and wind and solar.

It's not like the current civil strife was an unknown quantity. The Iraqi people have to stand up for themselves. They have an army trained and equiped by the US--at taxpayer expense. They need to spend their own treasure to fight for their country.

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Aliceinwonderland 19 weeks 12 hours ago
#24

Mccowley, you make an excellent point. And the rage of the revenge seekers is absolutely justified. The tragedy of course is that those who become the targets of their revenge are not the ones to blame. It's always the innocents who pay the ultimate price.

Nothing would please me more than to see Cheney, Baby Bush and all those other fascist war criminals swinging in the gallows, as PD suggests. But in this environment, that ain't gonna happen. In the "eyes" of this corporate fascist media they will always be heroes. Until that changes and our media is de-corporatized, I will not tolerate TV in my house.

Whether it's pay-or-die healthcare we're talking about, or the "War on Drugs" or U.S. hegemony, it all boils down to one thing: millions of human lives sacrificed for corporate profit. Capitalism kills. It will take no less than worldwide resistance on a massive scale to put a stop to it. And that is a "right to life" movement I could definitely get behind!

In the meantime, discussions like this one help me stay sane. It is comforting to read these wonderful posts and see that I'm not the "lone ranger". I'm feeling connected with people in this forum who, in all likelihood, I'll never meet face-to-face. Because after all, nothing is more bonding than sharing a common enemy. - Aliceinwonderland

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 11 hours ago
#25

Palindromedary and Willie W ~ Seriously, what difference does it make whether the Bush cabal orchestrated 911 or simply allowed it to happen in the eyes of the law? Aiding and abetting a crime before or after the fact ALWAYS carries the same penalties as the crime itself. Ignoring the intelligence, failure to conduct security briefings after being warned by the previous administration and the intelligence community, destroying critical evidence at the scene, and going out of your way to allow the Bin Laden family to escape the country clearly qualifies as aiding and abetting before, during, and after the fact. (Mind you this is just 911 and doesn't even touch on the entire crime of intentionally lying this country into two illegal wars.) As far as I am concerned that incriminates everyone in both the Bush and the Obama administrations as accessories in the crime--regardless of who actually did it.

Thats right, the Obama administration too; perhaps especially so. Failure to do your job and investigate the obvious allegations for the previous administration when placed in that high office is nothing more than aiding and abetting the accessories in the crime to go free. That act should equally carry the same penalty. I will give Obama this much slack--he has until the end of his term to make good on his oath of office and conduct these investigations. It is understandable that he may have pushed this issue till the end because such an investigation would completely disrupt his ability to do anything else in office; and, clearly, he has much to do. I understand that. However, if he fails completely and tries to walk away from this with impunity like it never happened, he--and everyone else in his administration--becomes another accessory after the fact.

By the way, the same thing goes double for President Gerald Ford! Don't forget, Rumsfeld and Cheney both served as Chiefs of Staff under Ford. After getting away with the crime of pardoning Nixon see what they did to the country?

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chuckle8 19 weeks 11 hours ago
#26

AIW -- You do know that Robert Murdoch owns the WSJ?

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chuckle8 19 weeks 11 hours ago
#27

DAM -- If you're counting votes, all I have to say is go, Thom, go.

truth springs e... 19 weeks 11 hours ago
#28

Palin, your on the right track.

Now tell me, why does Thom consistenly ridicule so called 'conspiracy theories' as he says they are all formed by right wing wackos?

Maybe he doesn't quite understand the world outside of politics or maybe he does.

On this show he said he wasn't even quite sure what a pentagram was.

It's interesting that he has interviewed Alex Jones but defers from any other 'controversial' speakers/researchers.

All this talk about climate change, but no one is willing to look up and see what's happening in our skies.

Was Rachel Carson a 'conspiracy nut' as well?

Did you know that the barium and aluminum oxide that is being dispersed by these atmospheric spray campaigns have nano particles that move right into our cellular structure?

Did you know that Monsanto is currently marketing an aluminum resistance gene?

Coincidence?

What if we and the planet are being bio-engineered?

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.


Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 11 hours ago
#29
Quote truth springs e...:Did you know that the barium and aluminum oxide that is being dispersed by these atmospheric spray campaigns have nano particles that move right into our cellular structure?

Did you know that Monsanto is currently marketing an aluminum resistance gene?

Coincidence?

What if we and the planet are being bio-engineered?

truth springs e... ~ Interesting information and hypothesis. Might I ask for what reason; and, to what ends?

truth springs e... 19 weeks 9 hours ago
#30

DAnneMarc -

We talk about the oligarchs and the never ending struggle against their oppression of citizen's rights. Thoms show looks at the single one dimensional system; the political arena. Our world operates far beyond this puppet show.

What do those in power want? More power.

Simple answer - Transhumanism, the power to control our consciousness.

Here is a good article on the subject -

"Just think Minority Report – utilizing nano-tech BioAPI, where your coherent thoughts are read and sampled by a supercomputer in real time, you can be controlled before you even act on your desire to overthrow a government or host a sit-in outside Monsanto’s annual shareholder meeting." - Christina Sarich

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/02/13/nano-bots-mind-control-trans-human...

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chuckle8 19 weeks 8 hours ago
#31

tru springs -- Do you listen to Thom? Thom spends a lot of time on things not normally called political. On the other hand, have you mentioned anything that is not political?

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 4 hours ago
#32

truth springs e... ~ So the government wants to control and read my mind through nanotechnology? They really want to climb inside my mind and read it? They want to control my conscious? Really? Well good luck! I've been trying to figure it out how to do that now for over half a century and every year it just gets more discouraging than the last. If I wasn't lost and stuck in here I'd find the closest exit and abandon ship. They're more than welcome to try though. Drop in anytime--I'll leave the light on. Just better make sure to bring a map because I sure can't help them find their way out; and, I doubt they are going to want to stay very long.

PS Don't bring Dick Cheney! He's not invited!

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Aliceinwonderland 19 weeks 4 hours ago
#33

Marc, there's not a damn thing in your #26 post I disagree with. All excellent points!

Far as Obama is concerned, I hate to be a cynic but I'd bet $$ that when his term in office ends, he'll have done absolutely NOTHING to bring these sleazy, fascist war criminals to justice. Any president who targets journalists and whistle blowers like Barak the Betrayer has, and murders children with drones, is himself a criminal. With few exceptions, criminals don't prosecute criminals unless plea bargaining is involved, or some other form of bribery.

Chuck, thanks for pointing out who owns the Wall Street Journal! It figures. That little Aussie fascist prick owns so much of our "media" now, it's hard to keep track. And by the way, his name's Rupert Murdoch, not Robert… unless he's got a son or sibling I don't know about.

You guys rock. I love bloggin' with you! - AIW

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chuckle8 19 weeks 4 hours ago
#34

AIW -- Thanks for your correction. Rupert, not Robert, my brain is fading away. It must be those nano-particles in there.

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 3 hours ago
#35

Aliceinwonderland ~ I also agree with everything you said. However, I feel compelled as an American to give my current Commander and Chief the benefit of the doubt till the end. It is somewhat difficult to quantify that doubt though. All I can say is this, I wouldn't take your bet regardless of the odds you gave me.

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 2 hours ago
#36
Quote chuckle8:Rupert, not Robert, my brain is fading away. It must be those nano-particles in there.

chuckle8 ~ Hey Chuck, don't knock those nanoparticles! I for one am grateful to find out about them! It explains all those stupid voices in my head. Especially that really annoying one that keeps reminding me to pay my taxes. Gee, for a while I thought I was going nuts.

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Palindromedary 19 weeks 2 hours ago
#37

When was the last time any of you all tried to check out your router/modem settings? I have found, a number of times, that the password on my DSL router/modem has been modified so I couldn't get into it to check the settings. It has worked ok online but have noticed some irregularities. Which is what prompted me to check my router/modem settings. I had to do a manual "reset" to reset my router/modem username and password to the default ones. Then, of course, I had to change to new ones. And I use rather lengthy passwords using numbers and letters (upper and lower case) and special characters. I know that my passwords have not just been reset because even the default passwords didn't work. So, this time, I have used a long totally nonsensical password with no pattern...random...something I would not be able to remember but have to write it down. Now, we'll see if they hack into my router/modem again. I'm going to have to start checking it every day and maybe even unplugging the phone line to it. No telling whether they can remotely activate my router/modem in the middle of the night to make changes. I normally turn my router/modem off when I'm not actually using it. But that shouldn't affect my password.

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Palindromedary 19 weeks 2 hours ago
#38

Willie W: But crashing planes into the WTC buildings cannot account for how fast those buildings came down. The only way they could possibly have come down like that was that explosives were planted in the buildings, as in a demolition. It doesn't explain how the third WTC building came down similar to the other buildings, ie: near free-fall speed, and it wasn't even hit by a plane. It doesn't explain why those buildings came down while all other steel and concrete buildings in history has never came down from crashing planes or burning buildings.

The only thing that can explain what happened was that someone with very powerful connections had access to those buildings for as long as it took to plant those explosives. And Osama bin Laden and his band of hijackers were not part of that conspiracy. They may have been set up as patsies by the only people who had the power to plant explosives...the Neocons....the people who stood to greatly profit from power and wealth. And the discovery of high tech nanothermite residue around those buildings proves that someone very connected had access to an incendiary capable of melting massive steel beams in an instant all without an excess of noise as would have accompanied an explosive-only demolition. A combination of normal explosives and nanothermite brought those buildings down. The only people to have access to nanothermite, in such quantities, is the government..the military.

It is also most likely that those airliners were remotely, electronically hijacked and guided to their targets.

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DAnneMarc 19 weeks 2 hours ago
#39

Palindromedary ~ I just checked my router. No problemo!

By the way, I'm with you with those 911 suspicions. However, we gotta start the investigation with the known facts. After we do that wherever the investigation takes us will do the rest. Which is probably precisely why there is so much opposition to simply starting any kind of investigation. The powers that be know exactly whom that will lead back to.

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Palindromedary 19 weeks 34 min ago
#40

TruthSprintgEternal: Hey, I know what a pentagram is...it's a message from the Pentagon....right? Actually, I saw quite a few of those "messages" when I worked there all those years many years ago.

Quote TruthSpringsEternal: What if we and the planet are being bio-engineered?

I saw the new movie "The Signal" which was somewhat along that line except it was the aliens doing it to 3 kids from MIT. It really wasn't a very good movie...I was hoping it had more to do with hacking but that was kind of a farce...it began with the typical ridiculous faux hacking screen shots where they were in some kind of hacker war with some elusive hacker in the desert. It was kind of funny when one IP address began with 192. Which, of course is only an internal local address. When they finally located the run down shack in the desert, the movie was starting to look like the movie The Blair Witch Project. Then weird things started to happen. I certainly wouldn't want to watch it again and now I wish I hadn't seen it at all.

I'm going to have to quit sniffing all of that Barium and Aluminum Oxide...

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Palindromedary 19 weeks 15 min ago
#41

DAnneMarc: It would be fantastic if we even get that far. But I doubt it. I think that there are lots of facts that are being ignored. Buildings falling at near free-fall speed like that just seems to go over most people's heads. They can look right at the videos, watch the scene over and over again and it just doesn't ring a bell with them that what they are seeing is impossible given the Bush government's postulated cause...ie: planes crashing into the top floors of those tall buildings. Somehow they totally don't get that buildings only fall that way when they are in a controlled demolition. They don't see that a plane crashing into one side of the building, weakening it on the one side and not the other and the top part doesn't buckle over toward the side of impact. Instead it come straight down. The intact under-structure, not even weakened by fire, would have presented so much resistance to the weight of the upper structure that it could not have come down at near free fall speed...in fact, it is damn near impossible for the top to crush the below structure all the way down to the ground.

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Palindromedary 19 weeks 1 min ago
#42
Quote Aliceinwonderland:Far as Obama is concerned, I hate to be a cynic but I'd bet $$ that when his term in office ends, he'll have done absolutely NOTHING to bring these sleazy, fascist war criminals to justice. Any president who targets journalists and whistle blowers like Barak the Betrayer has, and murders children with drones, is himself a criminal. With few exceptions, criminals don't prosecute criminals unless plea bargaining is involved, or some other form of bribery.
Definitely!

And now the US warmongers are, once again, having wet dream$ over the new flare-ups in Iraq. Obama is just going right along with what these capitalist creeps want. The US (99% anyway) would have been far better off if they had left Saddam in power. We wouldn't be trillions of dollars in debt.

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Palindromedary 18 weeks 6 days ago
#43
Quote DAnneMarc:Palindromedary ~ I just checked my router. No problemo!
Great! I probably just have a neighborhood hacker or somehow my router/modem is bugging out on me screwing up my password occasionally.
Having a neighborhood wireless user with an SSID of SearchAndDestroy64Gb, it makes me wonder more about a neighborhood hacker. Maybe they are using Firesheep on me. Baaaaaa!

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TheGodEmperor 18 weeks 6 days ago
#44

There's a reason I wish the left had as many enraged crazies as the right sometimes... I wish one was so mad he'd kill Dick Cheney. That fuckwad deserves to be killed more than anyone else on the planet.

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DAnneMarc 18 weeks 6 days ago
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Palindromedary ~ Personally I agree with your theories of physics. That is not the problem. The problem is convincing the American public that their government planted those explosives. That is simply going to require proof and an investigation. Besides personally, I don't think our government did it. Why? Because in the investigative stories I saw I remember several witnesses saying that they saw an Israeli film crew set up that morning before the attack and later filming the disaster and laughing about it. That tells me two things. First, that Israel had prior knowlege to the event. There is even more evidence to point to that I am sure you are aware of. Secondly, that our government was probably not involved because I seriously doubt that a conspiracy of that magnitude would be shared with anyone outside of our govenment let alone a foreign nation. Finally, if it were, I doubt that not even a single whistleblower would have come fourth yet. You know, the need to know kind of thing. Certainly an Israeli film crew doesn't need to know.

Besides, as we've discussed previously, the most likely way these explosives were installed was by painting them on in the form of nanotherminite. Given our current dependancy on foreign labor those crews could have been comprised of any foreign looking, non English speaking, people without having drawn any suspicion from anyone. Quite frankly, if you ask me, a crew of clean cut anglos would have drawn far more suspicion than people of middle eastern disent who shaved off thier beards and put on overalls. Such a crew would sharply resemble Cubans or Mexicans and no one who doesn't speak spanish wouldn't even try to talk to them. Besides, the work crews sealed off the floors they were working on too didn't they?

From what we know now it is far more likely to conclude that it was Israel, or possibly Saudi Arabia, who brought those towers down; and not the US government. Not to say that there weren't rogue elements in our government that were involved. After all, someone supplied the nanothermite to those work crews and only the US had that substance at the time. (At least, that we know of.) Yet, without a proper investigation, that question will never be properly answered.

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Aliceinwonderland 18 weeks 6 days ago
#46

GodEmperor, I concur.

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Aliceinwonderland 18 weeks 6 days ago
#47

Another thought occurs to me regarding Obama and those war criminals. I recall that immediately after Obama was elected, Bush invited him to the White House for a private conference of some sort. Many times, I've wondered if Obama was threatened that day. It's hard to imagine Bush and his main-squeeze thugs weren't aware that they could be prosecuted. - AIW

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chuckle8 18 weeks 6 days ago
#48

Pal -- No other building in the world has ever been built like the WTC. It had its strength in the outside walls. Lots of buildings since 9/11 have had that architectural feature, but they did not try to save money by using gypsum in those walls like the WTC did.

Building seven (the third building?) came down because of the sub-station under it.

It seems that it would be easily in the scope of current technololgy to make a mathematical model of the WTC and try various forces to see the outcome. Has anyone done that? The government has stopped its investigation. Why has everyone else stopped?

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Ou812 18 weeks 6 days ago
#49

Chuck, is this the same government you want to put in charge of single payer health care?

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Aliceinwonderland 18 weeks 6 days ago
#50

Damn right! (Just speaking for myself, of course...) I take this to mean you'd rather have a bunch of self-serving, no-count insurance hacks in charge; am I correct OU? - Aliceinwonderland

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