Daily Topics - Friday June 25th, 2010

Daily Topics - Friday June 25th, 2010

It's Anything Goes on Townhall Friday!

Hour One: "Brunch With Bernie" Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) spends the hour with Thom discussing the issues and answering listener questions www.sanders.senate.gov

Hour Two: Dylan Ratigan, host of the Dylan Ratigan MSNBC www.msnbc.com

Hour Three: Is it raining oil in Louisiana? New Orleans resident Casey Nunez talks to Thom about his amazing video http://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryTours

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rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#2
rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#3

Despair is NOT the issue, we find ourselves beset with anger fatigue.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#4

Despair is not an option, sure ok, how about we stop talking about what we don't have as options and start talking about the options we do have.

Its hard not to despair when you're subconsciously aware you might get a pink slip at any time. Its hard not to despair, when you've been furiously treading water to keep your head above it and you have no idea which way to swim to land, or even if you do choose a direction, that you aren't ultimately swimming in circles.

We're almost 2 years into the Obama admin, and we see compromise followed by compromise on top of it. Despair isn't something people choose, despair is thrust upon you. Telling people not to die of thirst in a desert isn't handing them a glass of water, or showing them the way to the nearest water.

So despair is not an option, OK, so what is our option, what is our focus? We need something to focus on, one issue, we need a true progressive win. I'm not sure what that issue should be, but better make it a sure thing. Moral is to the physical as 3 is to 1 (Napoleon), "the beatings will continue until moral improves" is not the answer though. Don't tell us not to give up, tell us where to assemble and what our objective is!

(Obama should have taken his victory lap when he won the election, instead of running over to the losing team to assure them they ran a good race.)

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#5

The problem that the recessivist un-left fails to take into account when they are in power is fear/terror fatigue. You can only tell folk to be afraid and surrender power for the illusion of protection so long until the folk become desensitized to the mental angst of perpetual fear. It requires ever escalating jolts of fear to drive population control through acquiesce to being enslaved to avoid fear. The cycle burns out the ability of the population to fear through shear emotional exhaustion.

An analogous condition affects folk desiring progressive/liberal change and find themselves eternally stymied by governmental ineffectiveness to respond to basic conditions. Hence my note above about anger fatigue.

Eight years of the Bush Administration’s allegiance to government destruction and cannibalistic cabal corporatism followed by the continuous wishy-washy half of a half of a half of a response or the Obama Administration has literately used folk up. It is not despair. It is the inability to access human emotions because our emotions burnt to a crisp. Folk are devoid of the ability to feel and interpreting it as despair and listless depression. There is nothing left.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#6

It seems to me that when Republicans get into power we get a lot of Corporate friendly legislation, and liberals/progressives throw fits and slow down the policies as best they can. When Democrats get into power we get even more Corporate friendly legislation, but the liberals/progressives turn in on themselves and policy prevention is laxed. Its no wonder that corporations fund both parties, they're putting on a show (a prize fight) and they're the house raking in the dough rae me.

I'm not sure which party I despise more, all I know is I have complete faith in the majorities of both to screw the American people.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#7

Seriously boys and girls, there were NO (nada, none, zero, zip) Bush Tax-Breaks!!!!

There were only Bush Deficit Enhancements!!!

Grrrrr . . . Get the farging messaging correct . . . The Recessivists do.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#8

It must be raining, I'm getting that all to familiar warm wet feeling on my leg again. Its funny this type of local rain always smells like amonia.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#9

I think one of the most telling barometers I have for the mood of progressives, is this blog. Not what's being said or not said, but how many bloggers are on it and contributing to it. Today we have 2 and only 8 messages near the end of the first hour. Tells me a lot.

N

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#10

Dylan Ratigan,

Have seen some clips from his show- good to know he is on our side!- Especially with a name like rat-again! :)

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#11

Dylan to the left of Thom Hartmann!

And angrier than Mike Malloy!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#12

Angrier than Malloy? I disagree, even Lewis Black isn't as angry as Malloy.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#13

I find myself happier because of the segment with Dylan Ratigan. Thank you THOM!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#14

Demostration tomorrow

http://www.handsacrossthesand.com/

N

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#15

Protest the Oil Industry World wide-

Tomorrow June 26- please give a shout out to:

http://www.handsacrossthesand.org/

This should be the largest gathering of clean energy advocates on the Earth in the History of the Earth.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 4 years 9 weeks ago
#16

The fact that Dylan Ratigan can rant on MSNBC leads me to believe that the corporate media believes that it doesn't need to worry about progressive policies because of its nearly complete control.

The arrogance of power is alive and mocking us.

Ted Rall wrote that America is a place where the poor want to lower the capital gains tax for when they win the lottery.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 4 years 9 weeks ago
#17

Thom, I believe that Sen. Dick Durbin is the one who admitted that the banks own the Senate.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 4 years 9 weeks ago
#18

Two teachers under fire for war protest:

http://www.progressive.org/mc062410.html

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#19

Massive civil unrest will lead to violence, violence from the bosses against the peasants.

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 4 years 9 weeks ago
#20

We already have public funding of elections. We just don't have any control of the funds.

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pahrumplife 4 years 9 weeks ago
#21

Yesterday at http://michaelmoore.com/ was presented the following:“Obama administration announces deployment of drones to Mexico border, as though constant high-pitched whine far overhead is going to make us feel safer.”

www.pahrumplife.org speakwrites: Lets imagine that there are no Democrats and no Republicans but there is just the Hell-bent, greed driven, great juggernaut multi-national Corporatocracy Complex rounding up alien “criminals” putting them in for-profit prisons and letting them work for little or nothing, almost making the George Orwell classic “1984” look like a walk in the park under the watchful eyes of a babysitter. Illegal aliens, illegal drugs and illegal “whatever” make for a happy policepolity.

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#22

The French Revolution was civil unrest and the aftermath of that dust-up worked out fairly well for six or so years . . .

Although it didn’t work out for Thomas Paine . . . Until Lafayette stole his body and returned it to be buried in American soil in an unmarked grave.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#23

"The air does not contain a high level of benzene and other components and the saturation level of these in air is often well above concentrations that can be achieved from an evaporating slick." This means that the air can generally store enough of the volatilization of the oil vapor. However, in this case, we can ascertain that the amount of oil vapors are so great that the air molecules have become saturated and can no longer store the gaseous vapors and so will expel them, along with the release of water as rain. Fingas, M. F. (1994). Evaporation of Oil Spills. ASCE p.1

Evaporation Of Oil Spills

Evaporation is the most important change that most oil spills undergo. In a few days, light crudes can evaporate as much as 75% of the starting oil mass and medium crudes up to 40%. Heavy or residual oils may only evaporate to the extent of 10% in the first few days following a spill. Many spill models incorporate evaporation as a component of their prediction because of the large mass balance changes.

http://www.mms.gov/tarprojects/120/120BG.PDF

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#24

@rladlof, as much as I would like to see the Cheneys and Bushes etc... brought to a say elevated platform with a humane device devised by a Doctor for quick end... I don't think I want to experience all the rest that goes with that. However, so long as our corporations and political leaders act as foolishly detached as the French aristocracy did, they may be heading for the same fate. Incredibly I expect the Tea Parties to go this route first, it will be "Reign of Terror Redux". Will make the McCarthy witch hunts seem like an ice cream social.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#25

Boycotts stopped working when business began to be measured in billions. Relating insane numbers related to money means the dog can ignore the fleas.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#26

Caller Stewart-

Do not diminish the power of the incremental-

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#27

Nationalize OIl

You betcha!

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#28

The real issue with uprisings is that civil unrest is uncivil. It remains my firm belief that flesh and blood human-form bipeds are better than that even if our non-corporeal, existing-only-on-paper, liability-mitigating, responsibility-deflecting kindred aren’t. I think the revolution of society’s mindset is the answer for a lasting solution.

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#29

We definitely need a movement. I can help everyone with this movement.

Relief

I have tried to inform you through serious information and humorous information. Americans face many problems from mass murders, home foreclosures, loss of retirement benefits, etc. Americans need a better life and relief may help our citizens. Our youngest son has travelled to Asia and Europe. In Asia he introduced me to a Korean recipe for Kim Chee. At first I ate Kim Chee by purchasing it from an Asian Mart. Kim Chee can be found in most Asian grocery stores.

Kim Chee can offer relief for many of our problems. I must alert you to a fact. When you open the jar of Kim Chee, the smell can bold you over. You will be introduced to a noxious stench. If you can forget about the smell, the taste of Kim Chee is really great. I can make Kim Chee an entire meal just like I can make my wife’s famous marinated four bean salad a main meal.

Kim Chee offers relief by having you experience the greatest BMs in your life. Great BMs can ease your life’s problems and you can start your life renewed to take on all of your problems.

n8chz's picture
n8chz 4 years 9 weeks ago
#30

Boycotts replace the one-man[sic]-one-vote principle of democracy with one-dollar-one-vote of capitalism. This fact alone weakens the potential of boycotts. Another factor is the counterboycott, or 'buycott.' In two-party America, there are usually two sides to every issue, and controversial issues are by definition those issues whose forces are more or less evenly matched. Add to that that people on the conservative side of an issue, all other things being equal, have more money (votes) to play with. If the marketplace of ideas has to operate within the marketplace of economics, we're screwed.

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#31

The issue with the incremental conversation is it is only useful in erosion of the revolutionary. Gains are not made incrementally, loses are memorized one millimeter at a time.

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#32

“We need a movement other than a bowel movement.”

Richard L. Adlof – Lowering the quality of discourse one syllable at a time.

n8chz's picture
n8chz 4 years 9 weeks ago
#33

One protest action even less useful than the boycott (in a highly economically developed country) is the labor strike. Shameless plug: http://n8chz.blogspot.com/2009/02/calling-for-general-boycott-general.html

n8chz's picture
n8chz 4 years 9 weeks ago
#34

We need a movement on account of being shat upon.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 9 weeks ago
#35

As I ranted earlier, where is the focus. As progressives we attack several different fronts at once without concentrated strength. We lose the battles because all the Corporations have to do now is sit their and bat away the feeble attempts to wrest control. They take more and more of what we have simply by consuming our commons and growing like the blob. We have to decide on one area to concentrate on and attack with all our focus. I favor Public Campaign Reform and IRV, but if the progressive movement decides on planting flowers around the Washington Monument, then by God I'll get behind that, whatever it is that we choose to go after, we better make that choice and act on it... yesterday.

N

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 4 years 9 weeks ago
#36

Generational job losses overshadow those from moratorium

U.S. Department of Interior Frank Quimby confirmed for the Examiner that the 6 month refrain from drilling would have "applied to about 30 deepwater rigs initially. Any drilling rig that was completing a well or doing maintenance on an existing production well, were also exempted. As these drilling rigs shut down and move, the number will be changing. There are about 40 drilling rigs in shallow water (<500 feet)."

Careful to draw a distinction between the drill rigs the moratorium would have effected and production platforms for which drilling had been already completed and were in production only, Quimby said "There are about 3,500 production platforms in federal waters Gulf of Mexico; 46 production platforms in waters >500 ft and 3401 in waters <500 ft." The employees on these production platforms where the drilling has been completed and are in production only phase are not likely to lose their jobs as the moratorium did not include them.

The Governor of the State of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal, has publicly released claims that the moratorium would save thousands of jobs in the oil industry for the next 6 months, however has failed to provide numbers on how many jobs have been lost due to the entire collapse of other industries because of the oil industry, that promise to be gone for generations.

http://bit.ly/cnwgGK

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#37

Problem is that the DEM message is squelched in the corporate media and the REP message is celebrated.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 4 years 9 weeks ago
#38

Google Earth shows the ocean submarine terrain. The Deepwater Horizon is in quite deep water off the shelf.

Moving your mouse over the terrain shows its altitude. In water, it shows a negative number representing the sea bottom depth.

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 9 weeks ago
#39

There is no “Bobby” Jindal in Louisiana; there is only Piyush, the noted Republican anchor baby and exorcist/kidnapper.

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#40

Let me again share with you what is the United States of Hell's problem!

An Open Confession

Catholics have the Sacrament of Reconciliation and non-Catholic Christians are now discussing the importance of counseling by Protestant ministers. There is a belief that confession is good for the soul.

I, too, believe that confession is good for the soul. Here is my open confession to the readers. Actually, it is my confession to a priest in California while we were visiting our son. Our son’s parish church is a very conservative church.

Bless me father for I have sinned! It has been about a month from my last confession. I have committed the following sins.

After reciting my litany of sins from various sources like the Ten Commandments, the Beatitudes, and the Seven Cardinal Sins I asked the priest a question. I cannot deny that I am a sinner.

Father, I am starting to want and wish that Americans would feel the pain and suffering like other countries so we might have more sympathy for their plight. Wanting and wishing pain and suffering to any of God’s children is a mortal sin and it is similar to people who believe that the Iraq war is right and moral. Believing in the Iraq war is a mortal sin!!! The priest said to me that I did not have to want or wish for our country to experience pain and suffering because we are presently feeling this pain and suffering. Americans will continue to feel pain and suffering because they will not repent. Unless Americans repent, there will be ongoing pain and suffering.

What the priest said to me made me feel good because I no longer had to want and wish pain and suffering for any of God’s children. As I look around, I can see Americans feeling the pain and suffering. This pain and suffering is ongoing because Americans refuse to repent.

I asked the priest for forgiveness for the sins I can remember and for the sins I cannot remember.

I concluded my confession by thanking the priest for answering my question. The priest gave me my penance to complete and the absolution and I said an Act of Contrition. He also said “Go with God” and I thanked him. This is my open confession to all who care to read it.

Numb Nut Americans will never repent because they believe their way is the right way. They are never wrong. Every day Numb Nut Americans commit the Cardinal Sin of Pride. We can no wrong. A false belief is embedded in their psyche that we, Numb Nuts, are good, holy, and saintly. Actually, we are the devil’s disciples.

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#41

Dear Thom,

You want President Obama re-elected in 2012 because he will have influence in nominating Supreme Court Justices. I do not even want Obama to run in 2012 because he has failed as a president and as a leader.

Appointment of Supreme Court Justices is no guarantee that the Justices will side more as a progressive than as a conservative. Some of our great justices who were appointed to the Supreme Court were great justices because they were neither progressive nor conservative. They believed in and they followed the U.S. Constitution in their decision-making processes.

Personally, with his $150 million in his campaign fund from the pursuit of the presidency invested and a great retirement plan for him and his wife I do not know if Obama wants to run for re-election. He receives $500,000 in pension and his wife receives $250,000 in pension per year plus there is a $2 to 4 million stipends for secretaries, office space, etc. Both the former president and first lady have secret service protection 24/7.

Obama is the Grand Experiment that has not worked for a better America.

Sincerely,

Gerald

n8chz's picture
n8chz 4 years 9 weeks ago
#42

I too have sinned. I also have wanted to see America humiliated. Often, when thinking about the possible state of the world 50-100 years in the future, my sincere hope has been for the European 'social model' to be vindicated, and sometimes that imagined vindication takes the form of what one might call a 'United States of Hell' type scenario. To be honest I have a Vindication Complex. A facile psychological explanation would be my mom's habitual tendency to 'I told you so.' But of course it is a symptom of a spiritual crisis. I have also flirted with the belief that there's something in the American Character (if you will) that will not make any departure from the automotive/suburban-sprawl/mcmansion/livin'-large lifestyle without somehow being backed into a corner. Naturally this results in my hoping such a state of affairs emerges sooner rather than later. I have also thought of Gerald in less-than-flattering terms, as a holier-than-thou doomsayer, even though I myself have been a doomsayer, only with less sectarian explanations for why America is doomed.
Thank you for sharing. Go with God.

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#43

Dylan Ratigan is an interesting study. He comes across as being more progressive but I have heard him speak for corporate America. Obama is now an elitist and a corporatist. As for me I consider myself a Socialist Democrat. I took a test to determine where I lean - conservative, liberal, or socialist. Socilism won out by a large margin.

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#44

n8chz, thank you for your comment! Let me say that I do not consider myself holier than thou because I am a sinner. People may consider me a doomsayer by some of my comments but I try to provide information that will help our nation be a better America.

I will give everyone the answer for a better America and a better world. WE MUST ALWAYS PRACTICE THE GOLDEN RULE!!! "Do onto others as you would want them to do onto you!!!"

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#45

Here is another way to help America and the world!!!

Sacramental Moments

As a Catholic I am familiar with the Seven Sacraments. At seventy plus years of age the priest’s homily for Christmas Mass was on Sacramental Moments. This was the first time that I heard of Sacramental Moments

Sacramental Moments are all around us. These moments occur daily. Sacramental Moments are the good deeds we do to help make our world a better place. Each of us has various kinds of Sacramental Moments. Here are some examples, such as caring for and helping the poor, working for justice and peace, and speaking out against wrong and immoral wars. These are a few examples. Other persons may have their ideas as what constitutes Sacramental Moments.

Striving to make Medicare for Everyone a reality is a Sacramental Moment.

Joining the International Criminal Court at The Hague, Netherlands to investigate and prosecute crimes against humanity, war crimes, mass murders in wrong and immoral wars, and torture of human beings is another Sacramental Moment.

Working to stop irresponsible corporations from exploiting human workers is a Sacramental Moment.

We have Sacramental Moments all around us. We should always work to increase Sacramental Moments in our daily lives to help make our world a better place for our environment and for animal and human life.

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#47

We see before us - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED - and it is all over!!!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mission-Accomplished--The-by-David-Michael-Gree-100624-932.html

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#49

When I read the article about a grandmother against the Afghanistan war, I am more firmly convinced that our Grand Experiment is a one term president!!!!!

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 9 weeks ago
#50

I keep hearing that Obama is sinking and I say he has already sunk!!!

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"In an age rife with media-inspired confusion and political cowardice, we yearn for a decent, caring, deeply human soul whose grasp of the problems confronting us provides a light by which we can make our way through the quagmire of lies, distortions, pandering, and hollow self-puffery that strips the American Dream of its promise. How lucky we are, then, to have access to the wit, wisdom, and willingness of Thom Hartmann, who shares with us here that very light, grown out of his own life experience."
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"The powers that be are running roughshod over the powers that OUGHT to be. Hartmann tells us what went wrong — and what you and I can do to help set American right again."
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