Daily Topics - Thursday - June 3 2010

Daily Topics - Thursday - June 3 2010

Quote:  It is a curious situation that the sea, from which life first arose, should now be threatened by the activities of one form of that life.  ~ Rachel Carson
 
Hour One - Why is BP trying cover-up clean up crew illnesses by calling it food poisoning? Dr. Riki Ott, Marine toxicologist and former commercial salmon fisher in Alaska www.rikiott.com
 
Plus...How the people are freeing elections from corporate influence in California Trent Lange www.yesonprop15.org
 
Hour Two - Why do right wingers refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of any Democratic presidency? Peter Ferara  www.theacru.org
 
Hour Three - How did BP try to hide evidence of the oil spill? Jerry Moran Photographer, native Orleanian http://nativeorleanian.com

Comments

DRichards
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Re: Why is BP trying cover-up

Re: Why is BP trying cover-up clean up crew illnesses by calling it food poisoning?

You have said it before Thom; Many of these CEOs are sociopaths.

Maxrot
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Well I hope that capping

Well I hope that capping device works, because BP has effectively upgraded their oil spewing volcano from Mt. St. Helens to Krakatoa.

I think what amazes me most, is that each time they come up with a plan and explain it, I figure OK that seem reasonable, well except the heavy mud, I never understood why one liquid would stop another liquid traveling through a pipe. So I'm half expecting this next attempt to fail, I'm just not sure how.

 

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rladlof
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Thank for bringing Doctor

Thank for bringing Doctor Riki Ott back on!!!!

Gene Savory
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@DRichards: I think sociopath

@DRichards: I think sociopath is one of the skills required of CEOs. Kind of like "you gotta be an asshole to be a band leader" (Jess Stacy, pianist for Benny Goodman).

DRichards
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Re: BP flight restrictions I

Re: BP flight restrictions

I wasn't aware that BP was a nation.

rladlof
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The White House is ran by

The White House is ran by Democrats Loving Corporations . . . 

Gene Savory
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If one considers any thing

If one considers any thing that animals can ingest, inhale, or absorb to be "food," then BP is correct in the technical sense. In the moral sense, they're full of crap for trying to control the problem as a "message" or "PR task" thing rather than work on the technical details of fixing the problem they have, through negligence and greed, imposed on the earth.

rladlof
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@DRichards: BP ain’t a

@DRichards: BP ain’t a country . . . It is a foreign national (un)Human Being.

DRichards
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1. Oil rig owner has made

1. Oil rig owner has made $270 million off the oil leak

Transocean Ltd., the owner of the Deepwater Horizon rig leased by BP, has been flying under the radar in the mainstream blame game. The world's largest offshore drilling contractor, the company is conveniently headquartered in corporate-friendly Switzerland, and it's no stranger to oil disasters. In 1979, an oil well it was drilling in the very same Gulf of Mexico ignited, sending the drill platform into the sea and causing one of the largest oil spills by the time it was capped... nine months later.

This experience undoubtedly influenced Transocean's decision to insure theDeepwater Horizon rig for about twice what it was worth. In a conference call to analysts earlier this month, Transocean reported making a $270 million profit from insurance payouts after the disaster. It's not hard to bet on failure when you know it's somewhat assured.

 

URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19408

Maxrot
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I agree with BP, the

I agree with BP, the illnesses are nothing less than food poisoning. I believe this because I believe air ultimately must be consumed, and BP has fouled the air. So from a certain point of view it is food poisoning. Sealife is food and its being poisoned. So lets go ahead and allow BP to keep this line, in fact let them own it, and what monetary caps are there on a company that poisons a country's food stocks?

Yes BP these people are suffering from food poisoning, food that you poisoned. You poisoned it and insisted that these people consume it when you denied them air respirators while working on cleaning up your mess.

Lets not argue with BP about their food poisoning claims, lets help them make that argument and point out that it is their actions that are bringing about this poisoning epidemic. They are practicing low tech biological warfare, they need to be brought to the Hague for crimes agains humanity. As far as I know, there was never a limitation for crimes against humanity being only for country leaders.

 

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Gene Savory
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All you gotta do to insulate

All you gotta do to insulate yourself from any oversight or accountability is declare yourself a "defense" contractor.

Choco
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It took this underwater

It took this underwater gusher to wake some people up to the evils of big oil. Americans by and large shrugged when big oil took over the White House in 2000; Cheney then held his secret energy task force in our White House, the false flag event of 9-11 that resulted in the treatment of Americans as if we were all possible terrorists (Patriot Act), guilty until proven innocent; the invasion of Afghanistan in order to secure the pipelines from the Caspian, and provide natural gas for Enron's plant in Dabhol, India; the invasion of Iraq's oil fields, the direct awarded contracts to the people closely associated with the Bush/Cheney administration, the appointment of James Baker to the head of the Iraq study group, the awarding of contracts to Hunt oil, with Baker as Hunt's attorney, all those convenient coicidences and people shrugged and looked the other way until this underwater gusher literally threatens all life in the Gulf.

BP and all the big oil companies should be siezed by US, not the US corporate govt, but by US citizens who need to retake the govt back from corporations.

Not only should all corporate assets be seized, but all personal assets of BP directors should be seized and sold off to pay for the cleanup and loss of habitat and jobs in the Gulf. The directors should then be charged with reckless endangerment, fraud, conspiracy to decieve the public, gross environmental destruction, for starters.

rladlof
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SIDE CONVERSATION: Parker

SIDE CONVERSATION: Parker Griffith, your Party switch was not a mistake, it did its job perfectly. Please, have a long and unfulfilling life in obscurity. At least, you are no longer stealth DINO.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/griffith-on-party-switch-politically-it-may-have-been-a-mistake-video.php#comments

Gene Savory
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BP's other spill THIS

BP's other spill THIS WEEK!

http://www.gregpalast.com/smart-pig-bps-other-spill-this-week/

 

harry ashburn
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re: #12 Bush 1 was an oilman,

re: #12 Bush 1 was an oilman, too.  'Cept he wasn't a failure at it. so big oil took the Whitehouse in '88, and ran-in the "B" team (Democrats) in '92.

rladlof
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We are complaining that

We are complaining that British Petroleum is poisoning us BUT paying Monsanto to force farmers to do far worse every farging day.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/02/04/monsanto-the-evil-corporation-in-your-refrigerator/

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0118/americas-best-company-10-gmos-dupont-planet-versus-monsanto.html

http://www.groovygreen.com/groove/?p=2921

mstaggerlee
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BP stands for ... Badly

BP stands for ...

Badly Prepared

British Putzes

Bound to  Pollute

Biblical Proportions

Bleary Prospects

Beyond Punishment

Bankster's Pals

 

harry ashburn
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Wonder if BP gas stations are

Wonder if BP gas stations are suffering a drop of business?

rladlof
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THOM: The BP issue is racial

THOM: The BP issue is racial . . . It is the human race against Homo Corporanus and our fascism-infected republican-democracy. Homo Corporanus is deadly predatory sociopathic environ-ivore.

n8chz
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Homo Corporanus is simply one

Homo Corporanus is simply one variant of Homo Economicus

rladlof
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@Harry: Although my wife has

@Harry: Although my wife has finally stopped buying her gas at ARCO, they are undercutting everyone else by 10¢ a gallon and their pumps are a flowing.

harry ashburn
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re: #20, yeah, no doubt.

re: #20, yeah, no doubt.

harry ashburn
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Dear Mysterious Floating

Dear Mysterious Floating Head: Um...does your wife know about your affair with my wife?

"British Left Waffles On Falkland Islands”
-leftwingwacko.com

rladlof
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Hahahahhaha

Hahahahhaha

harry ashburn
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re #24: Cause yer wife never

re #24: Cause yer wife never says a word about it, between moans.

rladlof
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Democrat-IC . . . 

Democrat-IC . . . 

Maxrot
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Why do Republicans go after

Why do Republicans go after the Democrats for anything and everything? Because they're gutless, petty, hypocritical a-holes.

You know Thom is beyond annoyed with a right wing hack (and its rare) when he doesn't let them have the last word. Good on you Thom.

 

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n8chz
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Yet another FMF comes up with

Yet another FMF comes up with yet another 'consider a model where...' question:

Consider a model where workers are either rich or poor, and employers are either nice or mean...

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/06/markets_for_ric.html

harry ashburn
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That guy thought he was

That guy thought he was getting the last word, he kept talking oblivious to what Thom was saying and the segment was ending.

rladlof
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Seriously THOM, the White

Seriously THOM, the White House is ran by Democrats Loving Corporations . . . That is why.

Markus Aurelius
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DemocRAT!! Thom, perhaps from

DemocRAT!!
Thom, perhaps from now on when a republican operative comes on the air and uses the Frank Luntz vernacular "democRAT" instead of democratic, you could announce that until you stop I will call republican - rePIGlicans.

harry ashburn
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I bet most of the suicides in

I bet most of the suicides in this country are people who call in to Thom, wait hours or days, then Thom cuts 'em off just before they get to say their most important point, like that woman a few minutes ago.  Thats why I never call. :(

rladlof
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@Harry RE Peter Ferara: He

@Harry RE Peter Ferara: He was/is a human talking point generator and obviously used to Winger Radio and FUAX News . . . It did not matter that the segment was ending, he apparently is paid to spout his message by word count and refused to give up whatever change he could gather for his pockets.

harry ashburn
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ahhh!  Silver per syllable!

ahhh!  Silver per syllable!

harry ashburn
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Whadda ya call a pre-human

Whadda ya call a pre-human with bulemia?......homo ejectus :D

rladlof
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For RUDE's opinion of Nailin'

For RUDE's opinion of Nailin' Palin on Environmental McStuff . . .

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

Dan Druff
Thom "Hitman" Hartmann, the

Thom "Hitman" Hartmann, the excellence of execution, is the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.  Are there any other pro wrestling fans who listen to his show?  You'll recognize those taglines from Canadian pro wrestler Bret the Hitman Hart.

harry ashburn
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WElcome Bret, and I'll

WElcome Bret, and I'll grapple with that....

rladlof
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Scary thoughts about

Scary thoughts about Idaho:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/tea-party-nirvana-movement-finds-happy-home-in-idaho-gop.php#more

gerald
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I want leadership and not

I want leadership and not hollow rhetoric from Obama.

A culture of bs!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/A-Culture-of-Bullshit-by-Jim-Prues-100602-623.html

 

n8chz
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Democrats for the Leisure

Democrats for the Leisure Class

mstaggerlee
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@Gerald re:#40 - I couldn't

@Gerald re:#40 - I couldn't help but notice that the article you linked in that post made no reference to President Obama, to any member of the current administration or to anyone currently in Congress or the Senate.  Doesn't really support your introductory remark, does it?

RV10Flyer
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Gulf Flight Restrictions

Gulf Flight Restrictions ---

The FAA has a temporary flight restriction over the offshore area in Louisiana, including the area where the deepwater rig sank.  That restriction includes the outer barrier islands but not the shores to the East.  See the map here:  http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_print_0_3481.html

The FAA listing for the TFR is here:  http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_3481.html

Someone needs to find out who requested the TFR and for how long it is expected to be active.  Just to be clear, this is a no-fly zone in US waters. 

 

harry ashburn
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GO, FLYERS!!

GO, FLYERS!!

Gene Savory
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TFR appears to be relevant to

TFR appears to be relevant to operations in the area. Air traffic is not restricted above 3000 ft AGL.

 

RV10Flyer
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True, the TFR is below 3000

True, the TFR is below 3000 and over a massive area.  Above 3000 feet your chances of photographing the environmental impact is nil. 

 

 

gerald
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@mstaggerlee, a person

@mstaggerlee, a person writing an article does not necessariiy have to refer to Obama. If you study Obama's pattern of words and deeds, the study will help you with regard to his pattern as president. Obama's leadership offers only hollow rhetoric. 

gerald
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Obama offers Americans warm

Obama offers Americans warm fuzzies. Americans need more than warm fuzzies.