Daily Topics - Tuesday September 28th, 2010

Daily Topics - Tuesday September 28th, 2010

Quote of the Day: Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total; of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. -- Robert Kennedy

Hour One: What's more important: Knowing the teachings of your religion? Believing what you think are the teachings of your religion (even if your preacher is wrong)? Simply having spirituality? Having certainty in your atheism? ...or having working knowledge of all religion? Plus, Have we become the United States of Incarceration? Robert Rooks, the NAACP's Director of Criminal Justice will be here www.onenationworkingtogether.org

Hour Two: Should Atheists in America start training on how to burn bibles? Thom confronts Randall Terry, conservative political activist and founder of Operation Rescue www.randallterry.com; Plus, How do we get the national focus back on civil and human rights? Wade Henderson, President of LCCR (Leadership Conference of Civil and Human Rights) will be here www.onenationworkingtogether.org

Hour Three: "Pioneers: The Frontier Family of Barack Obama" - Thom speaks with Irish Journalist, Stephen MacDonogh , about his new book on the President's Irish roots http://www.slirz.com/?p=51

Comments

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#1

So perhaps the senate could censure DeMinted.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#2

If half of Roman Catholics don't know that the Eucharist is transmuted to the body and blood of Christ, then I'd say at least half of Roman Catholics didn't attend private Catholic school. Believe me, I went through 12 years of RC school, and by completing the first 8, that was understood. However, to be Catholic you only have to believe dogmatic law, and as far as I remember (I'm sure gerald will correct me if I'm wrong on this) there are only two, both relating to Mary. Mary was born without sin, and she was virgin when impregnated with Jesus.

But anyway, does it really matter, its like knowing trivia of your favorite movie genre. You don't have to know everything about it, to know you like it.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#3

Thom, there are wolves shepparding the flock, that's what you're talking about. The biggest issue with religion, is the tendacy for it to be taken over by corrupt agents. Its been true from the inception of religion, from the tribal shamen to the leaders of mega churches, its always been, and always will be the case. Corruption and greed will seek out (as PT Barnum would put it) the daily born suckers.

Tis a pity, because religion offers a noble state for humanity, but only so long as it's leaders remain true to its tennants, which eventually is co-opted.

Just like government... but then again, both concepts seek to bend the will of the masses to the will of a select group of people.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#4

So let churches say whatever they want, time to tax them again. Lets see them sue over that.

N

DRichards's picture
DRichards 3 years 48 weeks ago
#5

This election season, Interfaith Alliance once again pledges to have a positive influence on the political process: to encourage reason, truth and civility; to engage on issues where religious freedom is at stake; and to challenge all those involved in the electoral process to put honesty and the Constitution first, ahead of personal political gain.

http://www.interfaithalliance.org/

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#6

How do we get religion out of politics? All religion is political, so how do you remove a political force from politics? Why not do something simple first Thom, how about we try to remove all the Salt from the Ocean.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#7

Randal Terry wants people to read religious statements of violence and then demean it. Yet he only wants it to limit it to the Muslim faith. But by his reasoning, you could do it with any religious scripture.

F'n nut bag, filled with hate and irrationality.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#8

I thought the Muslim faith roots go back to Abraham. All Mohammad did was branch the faith off. Hmmm kinda' like the Mormans did in the 1800's.

N

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 3 years 48 weeks ago
#9

Maybe that's where early Islam got its violence from--the Bible. And I think Maxrot's suggestion to tax religious groups is WONDERFUL. Because as much as individual preacher men want to be able to say whatever they want, the one and only way you get most people's attention is to take money away from them, like in the form of taxes. It seems that conservatives think it's more upsetting to be taxed than to have one's speech stifled. So tax 'em.

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 3 years 48 weeks ago
#10

Didn't Christianity spread through violence and force as well?

DRichards's picture
DRichards 3 years 48 weeks ago
#11

Re: The difference between Bush & Obama

News item No. 1:

CHICAGO - Two anti-war activists said Saturday that a 12-hour search of their Chicago home by the FBI was an attempt to intimidate them and silence the peace movement.

Joe Iosbaker and his wife, Stephanie Weiner, said the government targeted them because they've been outspoken against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and U.S. funding of conflicts abroad. They denied any wrongdoing.

News item: No.2

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration yesterday invoked the state secrets privilege in an effort to kill a lawsuit on behalf of US-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, an alleged terrorist said to be targeted for death or capture under a covert US government program....

"The idea that courts should have no role whatsoever in determining the criteria by which the executive branch can kill its own citizens is unacceptable in a democracy," the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rightssaid in a statement.

News item No. 3:

WASHINGTON - Federal law enforcement and national security officials are preparing to seek sweeping new regulations for the Internet, arguing that their ability to wiretap criminal and terrorism suspects is "going dark" as people increasingly communicate online instead of by telephone.

Essentially, officials want Congress to require all services that enable communications - including encrypted e-mail transmitters like BlackBerry, social networking Web sites like Facebook and software that allows direct "peer to peer" messaging like Skype - to be technically capable of complying if served with a wiretap order. The mandate would include being able to intercept and unscramble encrypted messages.

President Obama may have talked a good game about "transforming" America in the 2008 campaign -- but when it comes to transforming that 60-year-old national security state he inherited from George W. Bush and the presidents who came before him, he's making it worse. Obama is continuing to push presidential power to the extreme, seeking to reduce the power not just of Congress and the courts but the American people, and harming civil liberties. It's sad but not surprising.

When you're done with the book I've been hyping here for the last month, I would urge everyone to pick up the new Washington Rules by Andrew Bacevich, the retired Army colonel and academic who's become the voice of conscience for breaking the cycle that now has created a permanent state of war in America. I worry that -- just like alcoholism or any personal addiction -- America will never break that crippling cycle unless we hit rock-bottom, and nobody wants that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 3 years 48 weeks ago
#12

Jeanie, you're not playing the hypocritical game correctly. Just because you live in a glass house is no reason not to cast the first stone. Whatever your side does or ever has done is blameless, whatever their side does is to be condemned and chastised (even if it mirrors your side exactly).

Logic and reason have no place in this argument, you must purge yourself of it, then everything will be clear to you.

N

PS, yeah lets tie them to a stake and tax the hell out of them. ;-)

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#13

The Eucharist is central to the Catholic religion. The Mass highlights the Catholic belief that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus. Non-Catholic have a difficult time understanding that Mary was born without the Original Sin and she gave birth with Jesus through the Immaculate Conception. In Matthew's Gospel there is a verse that says "With God all things are possible." FAITH IS SOME BELIEFS THAT YOU CANNOT PROVE OR DISPROVE. Faith is faith.

When Mary gave birth to Jesus, her body and womb had to be perfect because she was giving birth to a perfect Son.

I pray to Mary because God, the Father, will never refuse a request from her. Mary accepted all that God asked her to do. Mary and God have a special relationship. God has promised that if the world prayed to Mary, there would be peace and no strife or wars.

Mary has also a special relationship for Catholics. For me she is a very special person. When I had my massive heart attack on October 13, 1994, I felt Mary's presence next to my bed. Mary interceded for me before God to save my life from death.

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#14

For the past four weeks we had the Gospel of Luke at Mass. Luke's gospel discusses the haves (with wealth) and have nots (without wealth). Father Ray gave a great homily on the question of what is enough. How much money is enough? Our parish is 60 to 75% conservative and 25 to 40% progressive. Of course the conservatives do not like Father Ray's homilies.

In late August I sent this letter to our pastor.

Although I am sending you this letter, please share it if it is your wish with Father Ray, the two deacons, and the offices in the activities center. If you wish to attach it to a Sunday newsletter, that will be your decision.

I am going to share with you two experiences. My first experience is a dream and my second experience is a nightmare. In my dream I saw the completion of phase one to our church and the completion of the parking lot even though funds are still needed for the parking lot. In my dream I was also able to visualize the completion of phase two and three for our church. With the completion of all three phases I saw a marvelous new church for the parish.

My second experience was a nightmare. I did not see the completion of phases two and three. I saw a disastrous American economy where American jobs are lost forever. I also saw the American rich and the American corporations hoarding their money from profits that are realized in fighting wars for profit, in the sale of military weaponry that America has control of seventy-five percent of the market, and in candidates who are running for public office on a platform that will end minimum wages in America. Ending minimum wages will free up more money and profits for the American rich and for American corporations.

If the minimum wage kept pace with the cost of living through the years, the minimum wage would be between $18 and 19 per hour but we could not have that happen because that would mean less money and profits for the rich and for our corporations to hoard.

If candidates win who will abolish the minimum wage, it will mean with less jobs and more competition for these jobs Americans will be paid a penny an hour with a one hundred hour work week for an annual salary of fifty dollars. Now that will really add more money and profits for the rich and for our corporations.

Although our country is in a sad state of affairs, the state we are in is factual and true.

Sincerely, a Parishioner

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 3 years 48 weeks ago
#15

Please consider having Francis Thicke on your show to announce his run against a Monsanto bought and paid for opponent http://www.thickeforagriculture.com/

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#16

If I recall early Church history as Thom mentioned on his show, there were two Churches, the Pauline Church and Peter’s Church. Both Peter and Paul disagreed on who can be a Christian. Peter stressed that no one can be a Christian until they were a Jew first. Paul said that a person did not have to be a Jew before becoming a Christian. Eventually, Paul’s beliefs would be the basis of the Christian church. Paul is held in high esteem within the Catholic Church.

A Dire Prediction

I do not know how much time I have left and so I am making this prediction with a heavy heart. The United States of Satan’s Disciples will start a nuclear holocaust by 2020 or 2025. We have at least 1,000 military bases around the world. China and Russia will be destroyed and from the air these countries will look sink holes. China and Russia will launch some nuclear weapons but not enough to defeat the United States of Hell. The murderous Americans will be rejoicing in the streets. Our nation will be destroyed by the westerly winds from China and Russia. The nuclear radiation caught in the wind will eventually reach its destination on American soil. The effects of the nuclear radiation will take hold in America starting in 2045 and by 2065 the American nation with her empire will be destroyed. American corpses will be seen for miles upon miles. Rotted bodies will be left on the streets.

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#17

Why should people marry in such dire and uncertain times?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100928/ap_on_bi_ge/us_census_recession_s_impact

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#18
gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#19

I heard Mr. Bacevich's interview with Bill Moyers sometime back and I stored my notes from the interview. He offers important information for us.

Andrew Bacevich

Mr. Bacevich teaches at Boston University. His most recent book is “The Limits of Power.” He was on the Bill Moyers show and he said that he is a conservative. He also mentioned that his son was killed in Iraq.

Here are some notes from his interview. He said that we are headed for greater debt and dependency on oil. The USA has a dysfunctional system. We have an imperial army and we crave imperialism adventurism. The problem with our current wars in the Middle East is that there is no effort to mobilize the country or to sacrifice.

Energy is a serious problem and the primary domestic dysfunctional problem. We must overcome our dependence on oil. Personal debt and national debt are also serious financial problems in America. From 1960 to today we have become the empire of consumption. Americans are no longer masters of their own fate. How are we going to pay the bills? The politicians have no idea of how we are going to pay the bills. Our trade imbalance is another serious problem. Jimmy Carter was the only president who was concerned about our energy problems. We have given up our freedoms and we have accepted our dependency on possessions. Ronal Reagan was a terrible president. He led us in the wrong way and we are still being led in the wrong way by our politicians.

We will need to change our lifestyles. We cannot transform the world to our liking. America must change her ways. Through our seeking of imperialism we are losing our freedoms.

Iraq is an unnecessary war. Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II have been terrible presidents. We have presently an imperialism presidency. Our national security has also failed America. Our system in America is broken. The Gulf War was a failure. Our national security is fraudulent. The Gulf War led our people to believe that our military is invincible. This belief is a fraud and a lie. Our military generals have failed Americans and America.

The insurgents in Iraq have become more adaptable and more flexible than our military forces. Preventive wars do not work. Wars should only be fought to defend ourselves. Americans must understand that we are a “stupid people.” Our military job is to police criminals and not to attack countries. The terrorists are criminals and not the people of a country. Removing a tyrannical leader will not alter the criminal element of terrorism. Attacking a country will not change the criminals. They will have more time to be more creative and destructive in dealing with the USA.

Both McCain and Obama have the desire to be imperial presidents. Both candidates will seek continuity and not change as president. The same issues, policies, and practices will continue in America. There will be no change in our country. Americans will again have a president who will lie to us and there will be no change in issues, policies, and practices. Americans talk about change but in reality they want life to go on without any dramatic changes.

Americans refuse to look into the mirror and see their failings. We also refuse to fix our problems. Our presidents have basically been failures since 1960. We are not a democracy. The media has also failed the American people. Congress has also failed Americans and it has let the president gain more power. We have only a one party system. Both parties have failed America and her citizens. The Democratic congress has failed our country. We have failed our military forces for being called to serve more than one or two tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. Several tours of duty are immoral.

We must debate the serious questions about the Iraq war. WAS THE IRAQ WAR WORTH IT? Or, are we a murderous nation whose citizens lust for human blood and human carnage?

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 48 weeks ago
#22

WE'RE TAKEN OUR COUNTRY BACK EVEN THOUGH THE CONSERVATIVE CRAZIES HAVE MADE IT INTO A HELL HOLE, A RAT HOLE, AND A SHIT HOLE!!!

From The Thom Hartmann Reader:
"Thom Hartmann channels the best of the American Founders with voice and pen. His deep attachment to a democratic civil society is just the medicine America needs."
Tom Hayden, author of The Long Sixties and director, Peace and Justice Resource Center.
From Cracking the Code:
"No one communicates more thoughtfully or effectively on the radio airwaves than Thom Hartmann. He gets inside the arguments and helps people to think them through—to understand how to respond when they’re talking about public issues with coworkers, neighbors, and friends. This book explores some of the key perspectives behind his approach, teaching us not just how to find the facts, but to talk about what they mean in a way that people will hear."
Paul Loeb, author of Soul of a Citizen
From Cracking the Code:
"Thom Hartmann ought to be bronzed. His new book sets off from the same high plane as the last and offers explicit tools and how-to advice that will allow you to see, hear, and feel propaganda when it's directed at you and use the same techniques to refute it. His book would make a deaf-mute a better communicator. I want him on my reading table every day, and if you try one of his books, so will you."
Peter Coyote, actor and author of Sleeping Where I Fall