Republican governors are hard at work laying off people like teachers

Republican governors are hard at work laying off people like teachers

Zero! That’s the number of net new jobs created in America last month. The latest jobs numbers released today show that 17,000 jobs were created in the private sector – making August the 18th straight month of private sector job growth under President Obama’s watch – however that number was offset by 17,000 government jobs that were lost – mostly thanks to Republican governors who are hard at work laying off people like teachers. These are the same governors responsible for most of the half-million government job losses since President Obama took office. Also sagging the job numbers are 45,000 Verizon workers who were on strike as the multi-billion dollar corporation wants its workers to pay more for health insurance. The unemployment rate remains at 9.1% - a pretty little number for Republicans who will likely continue their opposition to any sort of jobs plan put forward by the President to put American back to work. As long as unemployment remains above 9% - the Republicans’ chances of winning in 2012 are good – and they know it.

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Ursel Twing 3 years 3 hours ago
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Obama’s health care “reform” and the Verizon strikeBy Tom Eley
25 August 2011

In demanding deep cuts to workers’ health insurance plans, telecommunications giant Verizon has cited President Obama’s 2010 health care “reform” and its tax levies against so-called “Cadillac plans.”

The element of the health care law in question, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), imposes a staggering 40 percent tax on plans with an annual cost exceeding $10,200 for individuals or $27,500 for a family, beginning in 2018. Reportedly all of the workers who struck at Verizon this month would fall under the new tax levy. These workers currently pay no health care premiums. Verizon is demanding that they contribute $1,200 to $3,000 per year, part of the $20,000 per worker pay and benefits cuts the corporation is demanding.

Verizon’s demands reveal the reactionary character of Obama’s health care law. The plan was never about “extending health coverage to all Americans,” as Obama repeatedly asserted. Its intention was to drive down the health care costs for American corporations and the government, while ensuring the profits of the insurance, pharmaceutical, and HMO industries. The punitive taxation of “Cadillac” or “luxury” plans—euphemistic terms for decent health care plans that cover workers and their dependents—is an invitation for corporations to slash health care coverage.

It also illustrates the treacherous role of the trade union executives and their cheerleaders in “left” groupings like the International Socialist Organization (ISO). Obama’s 2010 health care law was enthusiastically backed by the AFL-CIO, including the two unions involved in the Verizon strike, the Communication Workers of America (CWA) and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW). In little more than one year, that reform has been used as the hammer to dismantle the benefits and incomes of 45,000 CWA and IBEW workers.

Verizon has repeatedly cited the health care law in justifying its demands. In a message to unionized workers sent out before the strike, Verizon wrote, “Under the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, an excise tax will be levied on healthcare plans with very generous plan design components (so-called “Cadillac plans”)… This excise tax is projected to cost the company as much as $200 million in 2018 when the tax is imposed; however, Verizon is required to account for this cost now. Accordingly, we will need to modify plan designs to avoid the impact of this tax.”

In another statement on the strike, Verizon wrote, “Health care costs continue to rise,” the company stated. “Verizon’s health care plans are classified as ‘Cadillac Plans’ by the US government, and cost the company $4 billion annually covering 800,000 employees, retirees and their families.”

The AFL-CIO, the IBEW, and the CWA have remained silent on their role in supporting the very legislation that is now being used against the workers they nominally represent. When Obama put forward the proposal for special taxes on quality employee health care plans, the unions raised only nominal objections while making clear that they would not allow this to stand in the way of their enthusiastic backing for the law as a whole.

A December 2009 Associated Press article cited the CWA as a specific example of this thinking. “While the unions would like to see the measure stripped in that process,” the AP wrote, CWA President Larry Cohen “said he was not prepared to threaten to withdraw the CWA’s support for the overall health care measure if the tax stays in place.”

Shortly before the House of Representatives voted on Obama’s health care law, IBEW President Ed Hill issued a video statement calling on workers to back it. “IBEW has joined with the majority of the labor movement to support the bill,” Hill said. “The final product is personally one which I believe is in your best interest…This is a time to support our president as he strives to improve the lives of working people all across this nation.”

In numerous articles and statements from 2009 and 2010, the World Socialist Web Site warned workers that the health care legislation would result in precisely the opposite outcome.

In a perspective written in July of 2009, the WSWS wrote of Obama’s plan that “[i]t is a counterrevolution in health care, being carried out in the profit interests of the giant pharmaceutical companies, insurance conglomerates and hospital chains, as well as the corporations, which will be encouraged to terminate health care for their employees and force them to buy insurance plans providing less coverage at greater out-of-pocket expense.” (See: “Obama’s health care counterrevolution”)

An article written in 2010 reported that the tax on “Cadillac” plans was already resulting in corporations slashing their health care. “A spokesman for aircraft manufacturer Boeing [said] that concerns over the impending tax were one of the reasons the corporation just announced a 50 percent increase in insurance deductibles for its workers. Other companies with higher-cost plans are expected to either reduce benefits, shift costs to their employees, or dump coverage outright.” (See: “Incentives in US health care bill for employers to drop coverage”)

The relationship of the Obama health care law to the Verizon strike has been raised by a few “left” friends of the Democratic Party and the unions. One blogger for In These Times presents the imposition of the “Cadillac” tax on Verizon workers as if it were some sort of mistake.

“President Obama could release a statement saying it is wrong for companies to shift excise tax costs to workers (seven years before the tax goes into effect)—something Obama said would not happen when the legislation passed last year,” writes Steve Early.

In fact there is no mistake. In Verizon’s demands that workers pay thousands of dollars for their health insurance, Obama’s plan is having its desired impact. This is also made clear by his role in the strike, during which the FBI, part of Obama’s Justice Department, participated in an intimidation campaign justified by bogus claims of “sabotage.”

Nor was the union executives’ support for the health care law an accident. Their backing of the legislation was based on the exact same motivation as that of the Obama administration and the corporations: ensuring the profitability of US big business.

It is for this very reason that Verizon workers can have no confidence in the “negotiations” being carried out by the CWA and IBEW union executives. They are more than willing to offer up drastic cuts in Verizon’s contribution to health care—as well as wage cuts and changes to work rules—in exchange for guarantees from Verizon that it will protect their dues base.

The complicity of the unions and the Democratic Party with big business in attacking workers’ access to health care, so clearly illustrated in the struggle at Verizon, demonstrates the essentially political character of the defense of working class living standards.

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Lore 3 years 3 hours ago
#2

While I agree that Joe Walsh is being disrespectful of the president of the United States of America by stating he will boycott the joint meeting, I also feel that he has the right to do so. Ordinarily, a politician would not consider boycotting a meeting that is part of his job. The fact that Joe Walsh is so clueless that he doesn't understand his own job responsibilities, what the expectations of his job are, and how to work within the system to obtain goals merely underscores the lack of intelligent thought behind too many of the 'Tea Pot' Republicans.

In addition, I don't feel that there is any Republican leadership at this time that is capable of holding their members to any standard of decorum during meetings that will be televised and shown around the world. For this reason, the boycott is more likely to be the least embarassing action by Joe Walsh. Sadly.

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leighmf 3 years 2 hours ago
#3

Well, Ignorance is Bliss. That is why I'm on Linclonapin t.i.d.

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Mark Saulys 3 years 1 hour ago
#4

David Cay Johnstone, progressive tax policy analyst, said it well when he talked about the dishonest use of language by business owners when refering to wages, salries and benefits of their employees. The phrasology, "the employees are going to have to start paying for more of their own health care" is an example. It creates the false impression that the employees' health benefits are some kind of charitable generosity on the part of the employers when in fact they are part of the employees' compensation, part of their pay. Those benefits are just as hard won and hard negotiated as any wage or salary increases.

Why don't they just say, "We are going to cut their health benefits" instead? That's like saying their employees are going to have to "pay more of their own salary" instead of "We are going to reduce their salary".

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mwalkerco 2 years 52 weeks ago
#5

When will these folks realize that downsizing government (at any level) means laying people off- contributing to greater unemployment? Is the government NOT the largest employer in the U.S.? It only makes sense.

What are these Tea Partiers (bought and paid for) - and their captains of industry - going to do to hire these people laid off by their government shenanigans?! I think nothing, as usual - unless they want to move to India, or Bangladesh, or China, or...

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David Abbot 2 years 52 weeks ago
#6

I'll tell you who I blame. I blame virtually all of the republicans and a lot of the democrats, for doing this to us. And I blame the rest of the democrats for sitting on their thumbs and watching and refusing to do anything about it. You know, in our current legal environment where people can be arrested, tortured, and even killed without ever being accused of any crime other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it would seem that all of our republican congresspeople and most of our democrat congresspeople could legally be put in Guantanimo under bright lights 24 hours a day, hung by their wrists for days on end, subjected to blaring heavy metal music, and waterboarded. I mean, there would be more reason to do that to them, than there has been to torture most of the people they put in Guantanimo.

If this seems an unfair way to deal with American traitors who are trying very strenuously to totally destroy America, perhaps republicans and go-along democrats might consider that it's also an unfair way to deal with the people who are in Guantanimo. You know, republicans, you put ideas into Americans' heads that torture and murder are fine, and you maybe should consider what they might do to YOU when they realize that YOU are traitors and world-class criminals.

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dowdotica 2 years 52 weeks ago
#7

I blame any shill that put his own interest and the interest of corporations ahead of the American people. I blame any company that to create larger profit margins moved jobs out of the country. for example, Levis use to be made in america. use to be don't count anymore. How about the computer companies that get the labor done in china at a fraction of the cost. I blame pretty much every so called American company that cooks its books, doesn't pay any tax and has no ethical regard for what was once a nation, the envy of the world. Now they laugh at us and worst of all is this new lunatic fringe that just continues to obstruct and make excuse after excuse ater excuse. Boy i sure feel like the once great "United States" is truly doomed.

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PhilipHenderson 2 years 52 weeks ago
#8

Republicans want to put Americans out of work. The higher the unemployment rate the happier the Republicans, they believe anytime the economy is harmed that Barack Obama is to blame. they will sacrifice anything to hurt the President. They are fools. The American people will see through the terrible actions (or lack of actions) by the Republican led House of Representatives. John Boehner has no record to claim except for excessive vacations for the members of the House. What a disgrace. I expect that historians will not be kind to Boehner and his boss Rush "druggie" Limbaugh. What a disgrace.

Oxen teamster Philip

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hruhs 2 years 52 weeks ago
#9

Actually there is a reason for all this. Turns out that elevated social class turns folks into moral midgets. Psychological research reveals that subjects holding elevated class status have brains that have diminished capacity for empathy and reading social clues. Competitive societies, capitalistic ones especially, priviledge people who lack empathy and therefore lack moral restraint. Makes them great combatants but poor friends and leaders. Ruthless competetion produces ruthless rulers. At this point the various negitive feedback mechanisms that used to limit the ascendancey of the dishonest and unempathetic have become inopperative. Hence, we are being battered by the intelligent sociopaths of the world.

If rank was dependent on passing a fMRI test showing an ability to empathize we could rid ourselves of these parasites and get started on trying to save our species from what is looking like a death sentence due to a climate catastrophe brought on by sociopathic stupidity. A Constitutional Amendment requiring anyone wishing to occupy ANY position of power over others to pass an empathy test (think Blade Runner) would work nicely to rid us of this death dealing parasitic load of conpersons and psychopaths (think Cheney).

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#10

Since increases in benefit costs are not negotiated, perhaps they should deduct the additional cost from the wages. That would insure that the total compensation negotiated will be the same throughtout the contract period.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#11

I've always believed like you. When you are in a crisis situation, don't go with the high IQ leader, go with the one that will empathize with you while you both suffer.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#12

I want you to look in the mirror, and then ask yourself what you did when the shelves were filled with made in US goods and imported goods. Did you reach for the $50 pair of jeans, or that $25 imported pair. Did you buy that imported auto, lile all the auto workers who parked at the auto plants (still do). How about when you bought those early color TVs, did you reach for Zenith or for the imported. We the people, drove the domestic manufacturers overseas, because we the people wanted to maximize our purchasing power. We the people were greedy, and now we a full of envy.

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2950-10K 2 years 52 weeks ago
#13

I blame JOB KILLERS like ROMNEY and PERRY for the unemployment trend. Arrogant sociopaths of their sort, have laid off large numbers of job creators........WORKERS WHO SPEND THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY WHICH IN TURN CREATES JOBS.

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scarrino 2 years 52 weeks ago
#14

President Obama has shown he has risen to the level of his own incompetency. He will say nothing that matters in his speech--if the Republicans allow him to speak--and no one who matters listens to him. I don't blame Obama for creating this mess, but he has done nothing to help the people of this country. These problems were here when he took office, but it has taken him nearly three years to just get around to it. The President's inaction on jobs and other issues that affect the majority of Americans is just disgraceful.

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2950-10K 2 years 52 weeks ago
#15

hruhs, GREAT POST, it sure helps explain why the same crap has happened over and over again all through history.

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2950-10K 2 years 52 weeks ago
#16

David, I have also thought about the potential for backlash against the Republicans by personalities like the teabaggers. It's likely to happen and would be very ugly. Whats that saying, "what goes around comes around" ?

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#17

I suppose consumption creates jobs in retail, transportation, and warehousing, but it doesn't create investment. Interest rates drive investment in an environment of certainty and confidence. I suspect, that one could say that consumption will also drive imports.

Palindromedary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#18

Looks like some people still don't get it!!! Obama is not our friend! He is not a progressive or even a real Democrat...unless you consider a Wall Street Democrat a real Democrat. Re-electing Obama will not make things any better for us because Obama is trying to do the same things that Republicans want...destroy Social Security and Medicare...continue wasting money and lives in a feckless, illegal, and idiotic war....and continue letting big business screw us all. And it is not because his hands are tied..once he beguiled us to elect him, he has done nothing but play the Republican hand. Re-electing Obama would be just another 4 more years of more of the same...and even worse! How can you be so fooled by Obama? Let's primary him out and put someone else in...for a change...black, white, brown, red, or yellow..man or woman...I don't care as long as it is not Obama or another fake Democrat....and this time a real progressive Democrat and not another Trojan horse for the Republicans....real hope we might be able to believe in this time...but no one can believe Obama anymore. He has screwed himself by screwing his base. Obama is through...done for it...and if we don't put someone in the Presidency who will stand up to the Republicans this time then we all deserve what we get. If the Democrats don't have the balls to kick this fake out and run a real Democrat next election then I hope they think real hard as they suffer their fate. We'll either have some theocratic fascist Republican weirdo dictating us or we'll have Obama who will just continue to act as a Republican proxy or useful idiot as he has been doing.

Palindromedary 2 years 52 weeks ago
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Yes but if it wasn't for the drain of American technology and outsourcing, and a huge sucking sound of our jobs being sent overseas...all in the name of Big Corporations trying to maximize their profits over the years....we would still be buying American made products because they wouldn't be making anything comparable overseas to ship to America. All of those foreign workers...from the lowest laborer to Corporate CEOs from overseas...China, Japan, etc found it easy to take American jobs here in the US for many years...then many took that knowledge back to their own countries (some stayed...but how much knowledge was siphoned off just by relatives and friends...or corporate spies?). Then our profit monger corporations set up factories over in those countries exploiting cheap labor. Of course the goods produced would be cheaper and we had a government that played right along with their rich and powerful corporations and would not put a tariff on those goods. The corporations wouldn't like it! And now these same corporations and their feckless useful idiots all spout inanities blaming the US consumers....it's all their fault...let's blame it all on the consumers! Well a lot of those smaller businesses who shake their heads and try to blame the consumers for buying at the lowest price...something they themselves do...buy low, sell high..and may be hurt by companies like Wall Mart....or Amazon....may very well be Republicans who have bought into the Conservative Supply Side neoliberal economics and now must pay for their own stupidity. They may have voted all along for politicians who would favor business and now may have to lose their businesses because there aren't any customers who can afford to buy their products. They all squeezed the wooden nickels right out of our pockets and now we can't or won't buy because we may have to eat. The least we are all thinking about right now is buying American....screw patriotism...it's a ruse...and a fools game. When you don't have a whole infrastructure of businesses and a political system that really believes in patriotism enough to keep jobs in America...then screw them...and screw patriotism. We'll keep buying what we can afford. It wasn't us who started this economic war...it was the greedy businesses, corporations and their toady politicians.

Palindromedary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#20

Off subject, I know, but I just want to warn you about a really dumb movie....Apollo 18. It's a Blair Witch goes to the Moon kind of movie....similar to The Forth Kind..where they use some purported actual footage, that they claim was recently released, and they edit in actors that they want you to believe were the actual astronauts. There's a lot of shaky camera...like Blair Witch...and it starts off with footprints on the moon not made by the astronauts...quick video shots of something moving in the distance with highlight circles...then the movie really gets "unbelievable". If you stay long enough to read the credits...at the very end they put up the 3 actor's names without saying they played the 3 astronauts...just their names. It was great watching some of the moon footage you wouldn't normally have seen before...that is if you can really tell which was actual and which was edited. After the initial "what the heck!" and realizing that they are really taking us for a ride on this one the movie became very tedious because you realize it is largely fiction..just another stupid Blair Witch Project or The Forth Kind faux docudrama.

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Hockeycpa2 2 years 52 weeks ago
#21

Thom's question also relates to why companies are sitting on so much cash. The demand is just not there for growth. When I talk demand, I mean individuals qualified to borrow for homes and other large ticket items such as cars. Underwriting standards are tight, bank regulators are making it tough and with interest rates so low, the banks can play it as safe as possible with their asset choices and continue to build up their capital. Also, without the demand for growth, what do mangers spend their time doing? Managers are generally smart, they will look for ways to utilize technology to make the business more productive with less people and resources thus continuing to horde cash and wait. It is just going to take awhile until the pendulum swings in favor of growth and jobs. There is no quick fix.

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2950-10K 2 years 52 weeks ago
#22

Palindromedary, Wish I could write as well as you, but try to bare with me anyway. I agree Obama has been weak standing up to the idiots who dare call themselves U.S. citizens but can a third party candidate win? I voted for Nader way the hell back and still get flack from friends blaming Gore's loss on people like me, even though he won my blue state. What choice do we really have? Sure I'd love to see Senator Sanders as pres. but the right wing mass media will not allow it to happen. Look at the republican choices, do we really want one of those armageddon nuts in the White House?....... Keep up the good work!

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2950-10K 2 years 52 weeks ago
#23

Wmstoll, First of all I'll admit I just got home from a fine night of drinkin and dancin, and Ron Wood music is keeping me awake and happy,,,,,, but I'll try to do my best to respond.

Consumption drives imports only because we have domestic unfriendly trade laws which have lead to a high unemployment rate as well as an absurd concentration of ugly wealth which has ended up in the hands of a few souls who are doomed to swim endlessly in a lake of fire.......non-religious meaning intended...... only expressing my anger!

Loss of certainty and confidence can be attributed to the big trickle down lie.

Of course consumption creates investment, why would it not?

Speaking of interest rates I remember getting something like 16% on my CD's in the early 80's..... last time the economy was like this. Odd they say we do not have inflation, go buy gas or food or look at your recent property tax bill, how about your health insurance premium.....no inflation there, right? Who needs a pay raise or tax break anyway? Oh thats right the top 2% need it, just ask the republicans.

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MaryMary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#24

Anyone really interested in bringing manufacturing "back home" needs to become involved with The Reshoring Initiative. It's founder, Harry Moser, believes Reshoring could bring unemployment from 9 down to 4 percent. For more information, check out this website, and get involved.

http://www.reshorenow.org/

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Elioflight 2 years 52 weeks ago
#25

I blame the republicans who are the lapdogs of business and banking. Business/banks have plenty of cash on hand, have been making record profits with fewer and fewer workers, less and less overhead, fewer and fewer regulations and taxes, and OUR stimulus dollars. Business can hire if it wants to, which will put spending money into the hands of workers/consumers which will filter back to business and get the economy moving again.

The financial talking heads on the morning shows say that business is waiting for the housing market to open up. People CANNOT BUY A HOUSE unless they HAVE A JOB, INCOME, and can GET A LOAN: all things that are not possible until BUSINESS BEGINS HIRING AND BANKS ISSUE LOANS. The people WITH ALL THE MONEY have to release it. We peasants cannot grow money trees in our backyards,

I say that jobs will magically reappear if a republican--gag reflex--is elected. Business/banks want to make sure that "friendlies" are in charge so and they can continue to choke-off the middle class, which is counter-intuitive for future business/bank profits.

I say we need a class revolution and to institute campaign finance reform. We will NEVER wrest back peacefully our democracy as long as money is an influence in our elections and our government. This will begin with impeachment of the corporate-5 Supreme Court justices who gave us the nonsensical, unConstitutional, biased, and idiotic Ciitzen's United decision.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#26

It appears to me, that there wouldn't have been a Citizens United, if corporate media had not shown Fahrenheit 911 before an election. When Citizens United were blocked from showing their documentary, they pointed to showing of Fahrenheit 911 as a precident. They were advised, that a large media corporation like GE, could use its subsidiary NBC, to show a political documentary as close to an election as desired, but they could not. Obiously there is a fairness problem here.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#27

I believe these corporations report all their profit, but the foreign profit has to stay off shore and be invested there. I noticed that Germany doesn't tax this profit, so BMW of America sends their profit back to Germany.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#28

Only if manufacturing can be globally competitive, especially for consumer goods. The US market is small and primarily replacement. The developing markets offer huge markets, and first time buyers.

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MaryMary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#29

Wmstoll, you can "arm-chair" quarterback on this site all day, or you can become involved and make a difference. Where did you get the information the US market is "small and primarily replacement"? Before you can be a player in the developing markets, you need to be successful in your own market. And by successful I mean a manufactuer who meets customer needs. Not a broker or importer who simply moves products from one off shore market to another off shore developing market.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#30

I believe the US is approximately 340 million people, approximately 104 households, and even those in "relative" poverty have a lot of stuff. Notice I was specific to consumer goods. Now look at just China and India, over a billion people each, with an increase of 69% in wages just from 2005 to 2009. China is now the largest automobile market in the world. So if I am a producer of consumer goods, I would want to be competitive in those huge markets, especially because it is not all replacement.

Now think of all the problems of returning to the US. Carl's Jr, a CA fast food provider, said that they weren't building in CA because it took years to get the permits and hundreds of thousands of dollars to build one resturant. What would a factory cost? I also think, pool of manufacturing management, supervision, and industrial engineers is shrinking.

Here is another example. There was a movement of furniture manufacturers moving back to the US because of problems with supervision in Mexico. CA didn't like that, so it banned oil based finishes. Back to Mexico.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#31

I would like to add, that most people on this site simply show envy for the more successful. Is that helpful?

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MaryMary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#32

Come on wmstoll, your examples are anecdotal. Give me some real cruchable numbers, and cite the reference please. Thanks.

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wmstoll 2 years 52 weeks ago
#33

I thought that the fact that both China and India have over a billion people each was relatively well known. The 69% increase in wages from 2005 to 2009, was in an Economist Magazine article, which was primarily focused on the declining importance of labor arbitrage. I don't believe I saved it.

Now the largest automobile market has been in the newspapers several times, when it was announced that Ford and GMC were both building assembly plants there. I belive Ford is building two.

The fact that CA has banned all but water based finishes is well known in CA. You simply cannot buy it any more. The fact that some manufacturers were returning I know from conversations with owners on the shop floor in LA, and if you want to know the exact names, you can go through the lists of hundreds that have left and are leaving.

Carl's Jr, is another story from the local papers. Didn't save them. The CEO in the story suggested, that CA was so business unfriendly, that they were thinking of moving their headquartes out of the state.

What is interesting, is no one ever challenges the assertions and hyperbole of other participants. Infact, you didn't challenge me with a single fact.

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MaryMary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#34

Why are you so defensive? I'm not challenging you, but I don't understand what you're anecdotal stories have to do with my post about The Reshoring Initiative. You can whine about all sorts of obstacles in place, (I'm not denying they exist) or you can offer solutions. That is what the Reshoring Initiative is about, finding solutions. You cited an example about water based finishes in CA. If it has become a problem, work to have it changed. Don't depend on others (especially politicans). Get busy, go to work, and in the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Getter' Done"

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scarrino 2 years 52 weeks ago
#35

Ursel Twing: Your research is impeccable, but I believe your conclusions are wrong, and that you have simply picked one small issue in an ocean of issues.

First, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have said that the destruction of the Obama presidency was their primary goal. If the Republican party's primary goal is destroying a President, along with a great many innocent Americans, rather than helping the country out of the mess they themselves have created, then that is a betrayal of their oaths of office and quite possibly treason, since we are in a state of war. Abraham Lincoln suspended "Habeus Corpus" during the civil war and President Woodrow Wilson also threw dissenters in prison during World War I. Obama's mistake is that he has not publicly held these men accountable for their anti-American activities and rhetoric.

Secondly, you have a bone to pick with the unions and the "left" and you blame Obama, rather than Bush et. al., for the current financial disaster. That is just not correct. Obama has been weak and ineffective, but this country's financial problems are a direct result of the trillions of dollars spent on warfare, not healthcare.

Last, we are all Americans and we ought to be working together to solve the very real problems and inequities that exist in our society, rather than taking the simple approach of using labels and blaming "others" for problems that affect all of us.

Palindromedary 2 years 52 weeks ago
#36

2950-10K: I agree that we really don't want any of those right wing crazies in the Presidency. But, yes, what really is the alternative? Obama?... who has proven himself to be one of them...masquerading in the facade of a Democrat? What choice do we have?? We have the choice of either voting for neither Republican or Democrat and voting for someone different this time.

I'm not sure Gore would have been much different than Obama anyway. These people lie and tell us what we want to hear and they only sell us out when they are elected. I admit I was one of those who wanted to vote for Nader but thought that it would just be throwing my vote away and increasing the chance of a Republican winner. And even if the third party candidate wins he/she may very well be bought off as well...but at least it would shatter the corrupt two-party system.."we have no other choice" mentality and the Democrats might actually have to realize that we do have another choice....so they'd better work for the people for a change and not the ruling elite...banksters, corporations, Wall Street. To the Republican politicians...a Republican in the White House is Plan A...to the ruling elite, a Republican in the White House is Plan A but re-electing Obama is Plan B...unless the people are so ticked off and willing to demonstrate they are not going to take it anymore...then re-electing Obama is Plan A. They win no matter what!

But now I regret throwing my vote away for yet another loser who would most likely have done the exact same thing as Obama has done. Back then we did not have such a wrecked economy as we do now. We didn't have a massive illegal war running on for nearly 10 years that is a huge waste of money and lives. We didn't have to think about the torture chambers that the US kept illegally imprisoning and torturing people. We didn't worry about the special renditions of American citizens, and their being tortured or murdered by our fascist regime that Obama inherited this, to be sure, but despite his campaign rhetoric, continued unabated.

We are at a point where something really drastic has to happen and if we continue to play their game of "either Republican or Democrat" mentality we will continue to be screwed one way or another by the same ruling elite that dangles both Republican and Democrat politicians on their puppet strings. So, if a third party candidate wins...it shakes up the system...tells the Democrats that they don't have an instrument of blackmail that they can rely on...that if they keep making us believe that we have no other choice...that big money will continue to rule us.

We need to vote against the current system that believes it can keep winning (putting either a Republican or a useful idiot Democrat into the seat of power). If a right wing crazy gets into the Presidency (similar to GWBush...or worse) then the stupid American voters who are too dumb to see through the highly paid for psy-ops fed to the people by the corporate owned right-wing news media deserve what they get.

I suppose I would have to say that you were smart enough to vote for Nader...I was one of the stupid American voters who fell for the propaganda that we have no other choice. I am willing to admit my mistake now. If more people would have voted their true beliefs, like you did, then perhaps Nader would have won and we would possibly have a much different history now. I would bet that 911 sure wouldn't have happened nor would our economy and our ever worsening environment be deteriorated as badly as it has been under negligent right-wing pro-business actions.

Ok, so if one of those crazies get into office...I suspect that law abiding citizens would see the corruption of our laws as sinister enemies and take to the streets. Yes, maybe the right wing crazies would have to engineer another 911 to whip the people into submission..it worked last time.

I suspect that if Obama is re-elected, more people will soon realize that nothing will change and will also take to the streets. Yes, I think Obama might continue to be offsetting that possibility by continuing to peddle his false hope which is part of the tool that the ruling elite is using to keep us all from attacking them in the streets. But maybe we would all be better off in the inevitable occurring sooner than later when we are all too weak to defend ourselves.

It's all part of the ruse: the Republicans would love to have their Republican President but they realize that there are so many discontent both outside and inside their party...so they are left with running absolute bonkers and certifiably nuts candidates....so this scares Democrats so badly that they will re-elect Obama...the cushion that buys yet more time...knowing full well that they can continue to use Obama to beguile the people for yet a little more time...until the people who might have rebelled are too confused, disillusioned, and weakened to do much to defend themselves anymore.

Palindromedary 2 years 51 weeks ago
#37

Aside from the previous remarks trying to blame the consumer for buying the cheapest....the news media (CNN, I believe) were making a big thing about college educations...that people really need to get more education and get those degrees because they make more money over their lifespans and are (their figures show) less affected by the current job losses. So, again, we have a psy-ops news media trying to make "the people" feel like they are at fault for their not having a job.

Businesses invests a lot in the psychology of advertizing in order to get people to buy their products. They will do anything to get their money..and when they do..when the economy has been corrupted by reckless Wall Street gamblers and hucksters...they blame the people for not saving...nay, investing...their money. Wall street wants every penny you earn. The people get blamed for falling suckers to the corrupt system by the very corrupters who suckered them. So, feel bad, people, feel very bad and guilty that it's all your fault....so you will have reservations about rioting in the streets against your oppressors. Stop buying all of those needless things like the latest fancy cell phones that are rigged to track you and monitor everything you say and do.

By the way, I am all for bringing jobs back to America and if Harry Moser is actually working for that purpose, then I applaud him. But have you checked into his background? Working for a huge international Swiss conglomeration of companies (Georg Fischer) makes me wonder how sincere or honest he is about bringing jobs to America. What else is on his agenda? Just saying....Here's yet another corporate big-wig who got his shiboleth sheepskin from "The Chicago School".

Palindromedary 2 years 51 weeks ago
#38

"Tripoli, Libya - Documents found at the abandoned office of Libya’s former spymaster appear to provide new details of the close relations the Central Intelligence Agency shared with the Libyan intelligence service — most notably suggesting that the Americans sent terrorism suspects at least eight times for questioning in Libya despite that country’s reputation for torture."

Our politicians are so blatantly hypocritical it makes me want to puke! Those sleeze bags that wear the America Flag wrapped around them are scoundrels, liars, and hypocrites.

http://www.truth-out.org/files-note-close-cia-ties-qaddafi-spy-unit/1315...

I just watched The Pat Tillman Story movie....and man...those lying military and political scourges to humanity are really sickening. Pat Tillman was murdered...assassinated...and I believe it was because he was very well known and popular along with his views...that was a thorn in the side of the predominant military and religious establishment and could very well have made trouble for them....he was knocked off and that it was done with the knowledge and encouragement from higher ups. I mean, the same ruthless cutthroats who masterminded 911 and then send thousands to their deaths in uniform would not hesitate in murdering one more that might be a problem for them.

Most people who join the military don't get a special recognition signed by Cheney...but Tillman did...and then Cheney turned right around and warned the military higher ups to "watch him" as in he could be a dangerous loose cannon against their cause.

Tillman wasn't religious and read Chomsky and made it known that he was very upset at what the US was doing in Iraq. He may very well have had an idea of running as a politician in the future and that would have been dangerous for the Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld gang. I think it was more than just a matter of being fragged by some guys who didn't like him...I think he was targeted for assassination...set up. It certainly wasn't just an accident!
That, of course, is just my opinion.

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MaryMary 2 years 51 weeks ago
#39

Give him a chance. What he says makes sense. I'm not against anyone making a profit. In fact, I know what there motives are. Those who show an altruistic concern worry me. What have we have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

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Ursel Twing 2 years 51 weeks ago
#40

'Last, we are all Americans and we ought to be working together to solve the very real problems and inequities that exist in our society, rather than taking the simple approach of using labels and blaming "others" for problems that affect all of us."

If your last sentence is correct why does tom blame Bush for everything He cannot get through a segment of his show without bringing Bush's name into play. His entire show is a giant, continual rant .

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stonesphear 2 years 51 weeks ago
#41

Support the private sector taking into consideration the dynamic of greed and reduce jobs in the public sector to compenstae for the lag of economic growth and what do you wind up with.

Critical mass.

The bottom.

Public decent.

We are not there yet perhaps and we continue to head in that direction.

timtrott 2 years 51 weeks ago
#42

Boycott? After his last behavior it's a wonder he wasn't banned. I agree with the previous writer. Perhaps he's not sure he can behave himself and this grandstanding "boycott" is really his way to avoid acting on another embarrassing impulse.

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vince1s1 2 years 51 weeks ago
#43

might be an interestng topic for your next show.

We cannot build our way out of this problem, it is not going to happen, until we first stop the Jobs from leaving this country. Usually I do not put on the net what I am doing
because, as an activist I have been targeted for arrest for protesting, I just show up and everyone knows whom I am that I have worked with in the past.

This is the key. This is what we are working on right now this morning.

The media, and the corrupt politicians want you to focus on Jobs while the Chamber of Commerce and their Corporate lobbyists are pushing hard for a business-as-usual pact that some are already calling "NAFTA of the Pacific. While we wait for the president to speak on Thursday to distract us this is going on right now without real media coverage.

We expected the President to Come to Chicago Today but because of our protest he is being diverted to Detroit.

We expect 100,000 or more out here by 10am. This is for the future of American otherwise our kids will be building those bridges for 5.00 dollars an hour with foreign material.

I have worked in construction and spent a great part of my life in manufacturing, the two do not complement each other when we have countries ill legally dumping all over the world market.

We want to hear from the President which direction he plan to take this country, we are not going to be bought off with a temporary jobs bill that will be over after the election,

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Sooner08 2 years 51 weeks ago
#44

Obama needs to stand up against the Republicans or step down and let another candidate step up. We Democrats have gone 8 years under Bush and 2 years under Obama without progressive representation. We don’t want or need another 6 years of coddling and cowering down to the republicans and the likes of the Koch brothers. I respect President Obama but if he can’t do the job please step down.

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Idaglia 2 years 51 weeks ago
#45

GIVE ME A MIRACLE . . . I EXPECT THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY TO BE GOD OMNIPOTENT ! ! !

KISS yourselves in the arse . . . Damnit how myopic can you folks get. The mid-term elections blindsided any possibility of statesmanship that could negotiate a sensible balance within our congressional houses.

Don't know about any of you but I want my president and congressmen/women to be statesmen, negotiators, and diplomats that will uphold compassionate representation to the whole versus only to their constituents.

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jstein7444 2 years 51 weeks ago
#46

With due respect, you forget that the Republicans have used the Filibuster in historical numbers...it doesn' t matter what the Democrats or Obama does, for the Republicans to continually the filibuster in the Senate, has brought this country to a screeching halt - There have recently been 10 jobs Bills that were voted down and 40 others brought about by the Black Caucus which got voted down or blocked..you have to understand, the Republicans want to keep unemployment high and the economy at a crawl...the Republicans feel that these numbers will get people to vote them in. Even thought the Democrats have a majority in the Senate, once the Republicans use the Filibuster, the Democrats need 60 votes - they can get atleast 57....if you want to see things change, we need 60 Democratic Senators - as far as the House, don't worry, the Democrats will take it back in 2012 - the debt ceiling debacle was enough to turn off every American in this country.

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jstein7444 2 years 51 weeks ago
#47

Yes Yes Yes! I totally agree with you.

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alrightalready 2 years 26 weeks ago
#48

So? Governors are laying off teachers? How come computers can replace factory workers, accountants, flight engineers, but not teachers?

Computers allow students to "learn at their own pace" so that no student's fragile little ego is damaged. They prevent lifelong trauma to our little ones. Don't you care?

I did not know teachers are exempt from the laws of supply (money) and demand. There may be demand (by teachers' uniions) but there is no money. Does anyone understand that? NO MONEY. The Nanny State is out of money. Look at Greece if you do not understand what "NO MONEY" means.

I see teenagers all around the country -- in McDonald's, crossing streets without looking -- staring at screens without any teacher in sight. What is the problem?

From Screwed:
"Once again, Thom Hartmann hits the bull’s eye with a much needed exposé of the so-called ‘free market.’ Anyone concerned about the future of our nation needs to read Screwed now."
Michael Toms, Founding President, New Dimensions World Broadcasting Network and author of A Time For Choices: Deep Dialogues for Deep Democracy
From Cracking the Code:
"In Cracking the Code, Thom Hartmann, America’s most popular, informed, and articulate progressive talk show host and political analyst, tells us what makes humans vulnerable to unscrupulous propagandists and what we can do about it. It is essential reading for all Americans who are fed up with right-wing extremists manipulating our minds and politics to promote agendas contrary to our core values and interests."
David C. Korten, author of The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community and When Corporations Rule the World and board chair of YES! magazine
From Cracking the Code:
"Thom Hartmann ought to be bronzed. His new book sets off from the same high plane as the last and offers explicit tools and how-to advice that will allow you to see, hear, and feel propaganda when it's directed at you and use the same techniques to refute it. His book would make a deaf-mute a better communicator. I want him on my reading table every day, and if you try one of his books, so will you."
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