Yet another austerity budget.

Yet another austerity budget.

House and Senate negotiators have reached a deal that could prevent the next government shutdown, but don't start celebrating just yet.  Tuesday night, Senator Patty Murray and Congressman Paul Ryan announced an $85 billion dollar budget agreement.  If Congress accepts the plan, it would partially offset the next round of sequester cuts, and save important programs like Medicare and Medicaid, but it does not address the budget-slashing that already took place.  And, it does not extend long-term unemployment benefits, or ask the wealthy to contribute more to our nation in taxes.  

In order to raise revenue, the budget deal would require federal workers to pay higher premiums for their pensions, lower payments to student loan collectors, and impose new security fees for airline travelers.  This budget plan would also eliminate virtually all of the sequester cuts for the Pentagon, it does nothing to address the cuts that have already hit programs like Head Start, Meals on Wheels, and Section 8 housing.  Apparently, these are the drastic measures we must go to in order to prevent another government shutdown.  Democrats appear to be giving up a lot, yet this deal won't even prevent another budget standoff over the debt limit.  

For the past five years, Republicans have pushed more and more austerity on out nation, and this budget does nothing to reverse that trend.  Not only is austerity exactly the opposite of what we should be doing to help our economy, it's also the wrong choice for the American people.  No nation, in the history of the world, has ever cut its way to prosperity, and we won't be the first.  It's time to stop this pattern of taking from those who have the least, while never asking those at the top to pay their fair share.  It's time to put an end to austerity, and start investing in our nation once again. 

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Aliceinwonderland
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What else is new?  Leaves no

What else is new?  Leaves no room for doubt about these people's priorities.  Cut everything that is life-supporting (Meals On Wheels, Head Start, Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps...) to fund what is life-destroying; i.e. the Pentagon war machine...  Way to go, plggies!    

And by the way, I've continued getting e-mail messages from the Rethuglicans, asking for donations.  How I'd love to take a dump in their outstretched hands!  Yeah I know, it sounds gross...  but sometimes words just aren't enough!  - Aliceinwonderland  

Gator Girl
This is NOT an acceptable

This is NOT an acceptable "fix" for this budget and if they can't do any better then it is time for the Democrats who would agree to this quit and go over to the other side next time.  Who do they think they are trying to fool?  THEY are the fools if they think this is the fix we need - or they have been paid off well by the lobbyists behind this piece of trash!

No! No! A thousand times, NO!!!

Gator Girl
Somehow I got on the email

Somehow I got on the email list of Paul Ryan - the ass and idiot of the Rethugs.l  Needless to say i put a stop to that with some quick and VERY unkind words explaining my opinion of that ASS! and where he and his kind can go. Besides, in reply to your last sentence, they do NOT understand words.  They, like the old Missouri mules they say, have to be hit over the heads - hard - to make them even begin to pay attention.

What makes me angriest is the Dems who are willing to go along with this CRAP!!  Blue Dogs!!  How about turncoats???  Why don't they just admit they are rethugs in dems clothing who are setting out to bomb anything good put forth by the REAL democrats.

oneworldatpeace
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I have no faith in the

I have no faith in the Democratic Party or Prez Status Quobama so I'm joining the WORKING FAMILY PARTY! It's  so sad that our Politicians can be bought so cheaply they should be ashamed!!!  To sell out for POLITICAL DONATIONS? To run for our elections?

I read in the Atlantic that some true academics (not think tank phonies) are concerned that the failure of Capitalism for the MIDDLE CLASS and other workers, will bring on social unrest when more people realize they've been screwed by the Rich.  Ravi Bhatra said corruption would be the trigger but wouldn't it be nice if it just took a little awareness.

 

 

 

 

Tom Ardavany
patty murray is selling out.

patty murray is selling out. she continues to disappoint her base. airline fees for revenue. ha. she is caving in just like so many other gutless dems. austerity is just something else she wants us to get used to. she has been in dc too long .  she only listens to her lobbyists.

Kend
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Sorry but you are wrong.

Sorry but you are wrong. Canada just cut its way to prosperity and is doing just fine. 

DAnneMarc
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oneworldatpeace wrote:I have

oneworldatpeace wrote:
I have no faith in the Democratic Party or Prez Status Quobama so I'm joining the WORKING FAMILY PARTY!

oneworldatpeace ~ Beautifully said! "President Status Quobama." That was as brilliant as "Obama the Orator who morphed into Barack the Betrayer." Thank you sir, for sharing your wonderful creativity and observation. 

Tom Ardavany wrote:
patty murray is selling out. she continues to disappoint her base. airline fees for revenue. ha. she is caving in just like so many other gutless dems.

Tom Ardavany ~ Thanks for that heads up on Patty Murray. She certainly isn't the only gutless dem we have to worry about. Thom, or someone on this blog, should really post a list of dems who simply have to go.

Gator Girl wrote:
They, like the old Missouri mules they say, have to be hit over the heads - hard - to make them even begin to pay attention.

What makes me angriest is the Dems who are willing to go along with this CRAP!!  Blue Dogs!!  How about turncoats???

Gator Girl ~ How about "Demoduds?" They certainly disappoint just like real duds. What we really need are real firecrackers in the party. People who make noise and an explosive impact. As far as I am concerned you can whack these Demoduds on the back of the neck or the head with a big fricking stick all day long. I don't even think you will get their attention. Already brain dead from the neck up. That what working at any length of time in the emerald city does to people.

Aliceinwonderland wrote:
And by the way, I've continued getting e-mail messages from the Rethuglicans, asking for donations.  How I'd love to take a dump in their outstretched hands!  Yeah I know, it sounds gross...  but sometimes words just aren't enough!  - Aliceinwonderland

Aliceinwonderland ~ That doesn't sound gross at all. If you want to hear gross I should tell you what I would like to leave in their outstretched hands; but, I don't want to get expelled from the blog. Shhhh!

DAnneMarc
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Kend wrote:Sorry but you are

Kend wrote:
Sorry but you are wrong. Canada just cut its way to prosperity and is doing just fine.

Kend ~ Where have you been? I was starting to miss your "insight." As far as your statement is concerned, I can see where austerity might not affect you in any negative way; however, if you want us to believe that the average citizen is better off then you will simply have to provide the facts. First we want to know the extent of austerity measures in Canada. A good article with charts and graphs would do. Secondly, we want statistics confirming that average people have benefited from it. You know--FACTS! That shouldn't be so hard for someone who knows so much about what is going on like you, right?

Loren Bliss
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"It's time to stop this

"It's time to stop this pattern of taking from those who have the least," said Hartmann, "while never asking those at the top to pay their fair share."

But the only way that will ever happen -- and surely, Mr. Hartman, you already know this in your heart if not in your mind -- is to replace capitalism with democratic socialism, exactly as Seattle City Councilwoman Kshama Sawant says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3phth27dSU  (Note: this is not a sound-bite. It is an eloquent, provocative and thoughtful presentation of why and how socialism is our only alternative if we are to save ourselves and our planet from the terminal Evil of capitalism.)

Apropos which (and speaking of Evil), note how  U.,S. Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) has again revealed herself to be a military-industrial Republican at heart. At home in Washington state, she of course talks like a Democrat, but back in the Capital she rules like an Ayn Rand fascist: absolute power and unlimited profit for the One Percent, total subjugation for all the  rest of us.

What is especially obscene is how she has managed to keep the state's AFL-CIO leadership in her pocket, election after election. Though perhaps now with the advent of Councilwoman Sawant, the rank and file are beginning to awaken to the true Evil of capitalism: that it is infinite greed elevated to maximum virtue, and thus the rejection of every humanitarian principle our species has ever set forth.    

 

Aliceinwonderland
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Woo-HOO!  You guys are all on

Woo-HOO!  You guys are all on a ROLL tonight!  Well worth the wait.

By the way, Gator Girl, don't assume your "unkind" words will put a stop to the Rethugs' shameless panhandling.  I've been responding with plenty of choice words of my own, for weeks now... and they keep coming back for more!  Go figure...  I don't know how to get rid of them... maybe it's time to consult with my old friend, the hookah-smokin' caterpillar!  - Aliceinwonderland

2950-10K
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"The budget plan would also

"The budget plan would also eliminate virtually all of the sequestor cuts for the Pentagon, it does nothing to address the Republican War on Christ, a war that has already hit programs like Headstart, Meals on Wheels,and section 8 housing."

With 52% of the budget going to defense, it looks more applicable to 5th century BC Sparta than 21st century America. Abigail Adams, one of our wisest founders, expressed it this way......."Peace can only be founded in justice and honor; it can't be purchased at the price of liberty." 

The budget is a victory for guys like Tea-Cantor and the military industrial complex they represent....way out of control spending!   

Instead of 52% on war for profit, how about a 52% federal tax rate on the top 1%? The vast majority has already expressed this desire for much higher tax rates on the rich.... look at the damn polls. What the hell are the Democrats afraid off....vast majority support? We need offense not battered wife syndrome. 

Aliceinwonderland
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Loren, I've listened to Thom

Loren, I've listened to Thom quite a bit.  For what it's worth, he has identified himself as a democratic socialist, many times.  If Thom had his way, that's the kind of society we would have.  I really believe he's on the same page as us.

Patty Murray sounds like another huge disappointment.  What a friggin' shame.  Just one more example of why I am distancing myself from the Democrats.  Too many of them have sold out, once elected, and I'm tired of it.  So-called "Citizens United" has only made it worse.  - AIW

producer1
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I can't believe that a

I can't believe that a Democrat would think so little of working people that they could make Paul Ryan look good. I would hope that most Dems in congress would vote no. I would also hope that if the bill passes both houses that the President vetoes it. This is not compromise-this is sellout.

Loren Bliss
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Aliceinwonderland -- Apropos

Aliceinwonderland -- Apropos Thom, yes, but he desperately needs to follow Kshama's leadership and...GET MILITANT! 

(Oh, which reminds me, three things I forgot to mention in response to your comments the other night. First, yes I did catch the rapper who followed Kshama: another of the many things I love about socialism is that it re-unifies politics and art, healing the painfully unnatural, capitalist-imposed division between the two. Secondly, your "Bump off the German shepherd and now there's a Pit Bull to be dealt with" still has me grinning. Yes! [Yeah, I'm an unabashed dog lover, though Rottweilers are actually more formidable than Pit Bulls because Rotties are just as gnarly plus almost uncannily intelligent.]  Thirdly, the Chinese and the Russians have free health care,  free education from kindergarten through PhD and superb public transport; U.S. workers have none of these. Lastly, though I never thought of it before [largely because the primary focus of my years from age 5 through age 18 was surviving the sundry challenges of being a despised child], I guess I was indeed something of a "prodigy": first published daily-newspaper journalism at age 16, etc. etc. Thank you, Alice, for an extremely useful insight -- one I'd probably never have arrived at by myself.) ('Course, as we used to say in the City years ago, being a prodigy and 20 cents will get you from Union Square to Fordham Road...) 

producer1 -- The hideous truth about our political system is that -- just as Bill Moyers now repeatedly acknowledges -- it is nothing more than a charade, actually the biggest scam in history. Both parties represent the One Percent. But the Republicans do so openly, while the Democrats do so from within a closet built of Big Lies (the ultimate example of which is, of course, Obama the Orator's Big Lie of "change we can believe in" followed by his shape-shift into Barack the Betrayer, which demonstrated that the only "change" is the One Percent getting more powerful and more rich as we of the Working Class, the 99 Percent, are beaten further into subjugation).  Think of it as bait-and-switch: the Republicans demand the destruction of Head Start (which is a code phrase for re-segregating minorities); the Democrats get elected by promising to defend Head Start -- and then they destroy it themselves, claiming, of course, the GOP left them no alternative. See the con? That's not only capitalist governance in action; it's how capitalist government survives.  

DAnneMarc
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Loren ~ Let me begin by

Loren ~ Let me begin by than
thanking you for elaborating on this current topic. I have recently shared this video with Palindromedary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ReHCCCdWgU

Loren ~ It really is quite an eye opener! Yet there is much more. Thee is much more I sure am no doubt  restricted. There really is not greater volume to the hole charade. If you could share any light on this it would be appreciated; because it sheds darkness on anything else. Peace, brother!

 

 

 

Palindromedary
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Thom Hartmann mentioned, in

Thom Hartmann mentioned, in his show today, the newest flu starting up in China. Will we be ill prepared for a pandemic?

healthland wrote:
Most Recent H7N9 Flu Deadlier Than H1N1
The first estimates of the severity of the H7N9 influenza virus show that about one-third of people who were hospitalized with the infection died. And flu experts warn that the strain could reappear in the next flu season.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/24/most-recent-h7n9-flu-deadlier-than...

Palindromedary
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DAnneMarc: Ok, so I finally

DAnneMarc: Ok, so I finally watched that video. Got to say a lot of it was pretty far-fetched. I had to laugh at the idea of moving (levitating) 1 ton rocks to build the pyramids using the collective voices of thousands of singers singing at certain key pitches. I know that they can levitate little frogs using a very intense magnetic field concentrated in a few cubic inches of coil. But that just cannot equate to moving a 1 ton rock using sound waves of thousands of people...or millions of people.

And their story about the Ark of the Covenant having such power I think is way overblown. I might accept that, perhaps, they had rudimentary form of batteries which they discovered sparked when shorted by a conductor..like a sword or something. That would have sent those ancient's superstitious minds a whirling thinking they had the powers of God. But even that may not have been what the Ark was...maybe it was just scrolls..maybe just an fancy empty box that they merely used to trick people into believing it had mythical, magical powers...or something. Remember the movie...The Gods Must Be Crazy...where a Coke bottle was tossed out of an airplane and the backward African natives below thought it was a gift from the gods? Remember how the Cargo Cult tribes of Melanesia worshiped John Frum as a god and developed rituals whereby they would imitate what they saw the soldiers doing thinking that would please the gods and illicit more gifts from the gods...ie: cargo dropping out of the sky (originally meant to supply the soldiers, of course).

I also had a lot of laughs every time they mentioned "lucifer" and "lucifer's eye" in the pyramid of the Great Seal. Then they say that there is nothing to "Global Warming"...that it is all just a normal cyclical thing.

There are just too many things in this video that are pretty ridiculous. Sorry! But that's my opinion. I don't totally discredit the idea that the earth has been visited, or even populated by subterranean colonies of greys, but I am not completely convinced of it. I don't dismiss it out of hand. A lot of people have witnessed a lot of things and I don't think I can just dismiss it all. But many of the things in this video just seems to be preying on the propensities of, or predilections of, very gullible people. But hey, it's fun to think about...like a nice science fiction story...as long as you can separate fact from fiction.

This is the kind of purposeful co-mingling of ideas that may be "more likely to be true" with "ideas that are so ridiculous" that it tends to make people laugh at even those ideas that are "more likely to be true". Guilty by association. It is a great propaganda ploy that they've used effectively for many years.

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Loren Bliss
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Marc...that link you posted

Marc...that link you posted is an eye-opener indeed: ultimately, with its savage anti-Semitism, it's a high-tech remake of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the original pseudo-bible of anti-Jewish propaganda.  Especially clever -- the term "diabolical" comes to mind -- in its portrayal of Hitler as a secret agent of the Ark People, thereby clearing the way for Holocaust denial in much the same way it already serves the One Percent by denying Terminal Climate Change aka "global warming." And beyond that, there's its Borg-like message: "resistance is futile."  To which I say maybe so -- but some of us, even in old age, would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.

Palindromedary
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DAnneMarc: Yes, I've heard

DAnneMarc: Yes, I've heard the proposition that the Walls of Jerico came tumbling down from the blowing of a horn..it is speculated, perhaps: many horns. We know, of course, that certain sound waves of a certain pitch and amplitude can break a glass. Is it "live" or is it "Memorex"? I think it would take a great number of "horns" blowing at the same frequency in order to bring down a wall...especially if it wasn't made of glass. The crystalline structure of glass makes it susceptible to this kind of breakage. Problem with rocks is that they are not all crystalline, like glass is, and would not be as susceptible to breakage. I suspect that for a wall made of rocks it would take some very, very intense ELF (Extremely Low Frequencies). Yes, the video talked about ELF...again mixing fact with fantasy. I don't think the human lips could vibrate at such low frequencies and I imagine the horns would have to be pretty darn enormous. Maybe, Joshua was doing a little Fracking for gas and caused an earthquake? Or maybe, the whole story was just a fabrication made up by people on Shrooms. I hear you can get quite creative using Shrooms. Think of all the wild and fantastical stories a writer would conjure up especially when he is competing with a lot of other crazy religions vying for power over the people.

Aliceinwonderland
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"producer1"- I concur with

"producer1"- I concur with Loren's assessment.  I also concur with your judgment of that bill as a sell-out rather than a compromise.  As always, We The Peons get the short end of the stick.  Far as any chance of Obomba vetoing that piece of crap, I wouldn't hold my breath.  If he's pushing for the TPP, we're nothing but fertilizer to him.

I hate to say this my friends, but I think we'd better tighten our belts and brace ourselves for real hard times ahead, with no end in sight.  If anyone decent ever gets elected president after Obomba, that person better cover his/herself with head-to-toe, bulletproof body armor, worn around the clock, 24-7!

Happy holidays!  Tra-lah-lah!  - Aliceinwonderland

DAnneMarc
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Loren and Palindromedary ~

Loren and Palindromedary ~ Thank you both for those responses about that movie. I know it had a lot of far fetched ideas. That is why I found it so intriguing. I had two very busy days this week that has kept me from responding up to now. I apologize for the wait. 

Loren ~ Anti semitism is an interesting take. That clearly never occurred to me. I assumed when they clearly labelled Hitler and Nazis as evil incarnate they couldn't possibly be anti semitic. I will have to consider that more deeply. I doubt the Arc was intended as a jewish curse. The film seemed very clear about who and what was the problem--the world elite. Nevertheless, It is a suggestion I will keep in mind next time I watch it.

Palidromedary ~ You doubt the power of sound waves? Even a small unamplified voice can trigger an avalanche. Haven't you heard about the latest array of weaponry the government has designed that uses sound to control and even kill people? Haven't you heard of HAARP? A multi billion dollar array of antennas designed to study the atmosphere. Many conspiracy theories say that the array uses microwaves to excite molecules in the upper atmosphere and is actually being used to control the weather. By heating the upper atmosphere all manor of storms can be created; or, so the theory goes. The notion that sound waves can nullify gravity by destructive interference is a notion that I neither believe or disbelieve. It is intriguing enough that I will have to see it tested to determine what I believe either way.

The most fascinating items mentioned in the movie are about the engineering marvels of the MYT engine, the PAPP engine, and the Methernitha motor. I know that the internet is full of free energy BS. Yet whenever an idea looks plausible I investigate. As you saw yourself Palindromedary, the MYT engine exists. Oddly, so does the PAPP engine.

The Methernitha Testatika also resembles Tesla technology from almost a century ago. I have my doubts about this motor simply because I've once participated in the building of a real Tesla coil when I was younger and I know how easy it is to make something that looks like this; and, that looks like it really works. The very idea that the only working model is kept in secret also sends up several red flags. Nevertheless it is a topic worth bringing up in this forum to see if anyone knows anything else about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPm31Zv9Ujk

The PAPP engine is probably the most facinating device I've ever heard of. The idea that you could take a regular piston cylinder, seal it with a combination of noble gases and then apply heat to cause those gases to expand and contract indefinitely--without combustion--seems like an answer to all our climate, energy, financial, and even political problems. If such an engine can be developed--or has been developed--such a device could radically alter our way of life. The first and foremost contribution would be to end our dependence on the current world dictators that are making our lives so miserable. Just thought I would throw that idea out there. Thanks for your considerations! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxp-zwowLE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4li_z4Jpso

Of course, as the say, be careful about things that sound too good to be true. They usually are.

George Reiter
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Here are two historical

Here are two historical references that draw our hard working Americans together against this austerity budget to a conclusion based on accepted religious findings that the Righteous and the Republicans are mutually exclusive!

A paraphrased version of psalms 15 by Thomas Jefferson:

“The portrait of a good man by the most sublime of poets, for your imitation”

Lord, who ’s the happy man that may to thy blest courts repair;

Not stranger-like to visit them but to inhabit there?

’T is he whose every thought and deed by rules of virtue moves;

Whose generous tongue disdains to speak the thing his heart disproves.

Who never did a slander forge, his neighbor’s fame to wound;

Nor hearken to a false report, by malice whispered round.

Who vice in all its pomp and power, can treat with just neglect;

And piety, though clothed in rags, religiously respect.

Who to his plighted vows and trust has ever firmly stood;

And though he promise to his loss, he makes his promise good.

Whose soul in usury disdains his treasure to employ;

Whom no rewards can ever bribe the guiltless to destroy.

The man, who, by this steady course, has happiness insur’d,

   When earth’s foundations shake, shall stand, by Providence secur’d.

Matthew 25:40

King James Version (KJV)

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.  

Palindromedary
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DAnneMarc wrote:You doubt the

DAnneMarc wrote:
You doubt the power of sound waves? Even a small unamplified voice can trigger an avalanche.
Avalanches are something that are all set to fall anyway..it just takes a little trigger. Stone walls are not normally considered something about ready to fall anyway unless it was so shoddily constructed in the first place. So, I don't know how you can use an avalanche as a valid argument in support of the claims of human voice sound waves actually levitating 1 ton rocks to build the pyramids as was made in the video.

Of course, now, with high powered electrical devices that can crank out many decibels of sound they have the capability of doing some pretty wild things...none of which, however, is the ability to levitate 1 ton rocks. They might be able to shatter them with those high tech weapons. But, as I said before, thousands of Egyptians all singing some note just would not do much of anything at all except give everyone a great big headache.

The claims made in the video are typical of those who attempt to use the lingo of pseudo-science to make their nonsense sound legitimate.

And yes, I've certainly heard about HAARP and the claims by some that they are making holes in the atmosphere, trying to control the weather, by using microwaves. Of course, microwaves are not sound waves and so that is almost like comparing apples and oranges. Sound waves are variations in compressive and decompressive forces on the air molecules and are not electromagnetic as are microwaves. And again, it is modern-day high-tech and high-power stuff that the ancients did not have.

DAnneMarc wrote:
The notion that sound waves can nullify gravity by destructive interference is a notion that I neither believe or disbelieve. It is intriguing enough that I will have to see it tested to determine what I believe either way.

I tend to agree somewhat but I am more skeptical about this.

DAnneMarc wrote:
The most fascinating items mentioned in the movie are about the engineering marvels of the MYT engine, the PAPP engine, and the Methernitha motor. I know that the internet is full of free energy BS. Yet whenever an idea looks plausible I investigate. As you saw yourself Palindromedary, the MYT engine exists. Oddly, so does the PAPP engine.

Yes, I agree that this is pretty fascinating..I hope it doesn't turn out to be a fake. And I have read things about Zero Point Energy and Dark Energy some year ago.

Here's an interesting video where Hutchinson levitates many varied objects including a 60 pound canon ball. At first, I had wondered if he was using a hidden magnet and used some kind of ferrous material impregnated into what appeared to be non-ferrous materials like plastic cups, etc. I did a magic trick once using a wooden chop stick where I drilled a hole and inserted a nail. Then used a ver powerful magnet under the table and made the chop stick move around "mysteriously". James Randi, eat your heart out! ;-}

One creepy scene, in the video, was when the ice cream, in a plastic cup, slowly rises into the air and then the whole plastic cup shoots up into the air. Hmmm! I wonder how they did that? Very spooky!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-1l0lXR_U

By the way, there is an interesting youtube video of one of Jame Randi's TV shows where he "debunks" (he doesn't like the word "debunk") this "scientist" inventor's little black box that he claimed he could detect telepathic brain waves to a man on the stage from his wife sitting in the audience. The box would send out a higher pitched and louder squeal after Randi gave the signal with his hand for the woman to begin sending telepathic thoughts to her husband sitting in the chair next to the box. It seemed to work just fine..squealing away with increased pitch and amplitude. So then Randi asked the man in the chair to turn his chair around and face away from the audience and that he would give the woman the signal with his hand to begin sending telepathic thoughts. Well, the box began to squeal as before but the only problem was that Randi never did signal with his hand for the woman to start sending thoughts. Randi asked the inventor if he would consent to someone else to analyze what was in the box and the embarrassed inventor quipped "certainly not!". Randi made yet another one of the charlatans bite the dust.
Couldn't find that one..but here's another..Randi "debunking" a person claiming he has psychic powers of telekinesis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlfMsZwr8rc

DAnneMarc
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Palindromedary ~ Thanks! Very

Palindromedary ~ Thanks! Very good stuff. Here is another 4 part documentary about Nikola Tesla where they actually mention the Methernitha Testatika machine. I'm not sure how I feel about this technology unless I have the opportunity to pour a whole lot of time and energy into. However, I do feel strongly that it is worth exploring. There is no better way fighting our way out of the current tyranny we find ourselves pitted against then to destroy the bonds that they use to restrain us. I firmly believe that the the best and most likely way to do that is through the development of an energy source that is under the total control of the consumer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqL4A7tgsY

Palindromedary
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In watching that movie you

In watching that movie you recommended, I got an idea of how that video I recommended, showing the illusion of things rising up into the air (including that ice cream slowly oozing out of the cup followed by the cup floating up into the air), was created. A fixed camera could have been placed adjacent to what appeared to be a table top at the inside periphery of a centrifuge. The items were loosely held to the table top with some sort of sticky substance.

When the centrifuge spun at a certain speed it would have created an artificial gravity also keeping the items on the table. Did you notice that the ice cream tended to ooze out favoring one side of the cup? As the centrifuge was made to slowly reduce it's speed, the items would begin to fall away from the tables surface.

Or, conversely, the table top could have been placed not at the periphery but somewhere closer to the center of the centrifuge, or even on the outside of one. The items could have been held in place by a tacky surface. And with a fast enough speed, the items would break loose and fly outward. The background could have been shrouded with a screen that would look like a stationary wall. If this was all filmed in high speed and played back at a slower speed it would give an eerie feel of levitation.

You've seen those old movies where a tap dancer starts off dancing on the floor of a room and he then tap dances on the walls and then the ceiling. It was all done using a room sized cubical that had furniture and a camera fixed to the floor and the room would rotate.

Palindromedary
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I watched the video again and

I watched the video again and I noticed that all those things that seemed to float off into the air were in what looked like a roughly made wooden box. I noticed that there seemed to be a kind of vibration...the camera shook in a manner that suggested a vibration that would be consistent with the camera attached to a box being slung around like a centrifuge. In the beginning of the video...there were a few items that just tended to float around just barely, or not at all, leaving the surface. One could put ferrous material inside various items made of materials not affected by magnetic flux fields to give the illusion that it wasn't someone underneath with a strong magnet moving those items around.

steve conner
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 I hate the budget deal as

 I hate the budget deal as well. Not to extend unemployment that runs out on the 28th and zero revenue is better than having another government shutdown. Despite a part of me saying shut it down due to extreme austerity measures. However Boehner exposed hiself enough for democrats to run ads in 2014 by stating the real problem. OUTSIDE MONEY.

steve conner
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12/politics/budget-boehner/index.html  The reason why i say Boehner gave plenty of ad information democrats can run on in 2014. Youtube has great footage as well.

steve conner
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Paul Ryan is not looking as

Paul Ryan is not looking as great as you may think. Boehner as well. The GOP is having a full blown civil war due to the budget deal. I hate the deal being a liberal. Hal Rogers, Boehner,Paul Ryan and Rand Paul spewing vile towards outside money as the main reason proves the overall point that the GOP/TEA is brought off. Been fussing about it on my c-span/facebook all day long on the topic, WHO HAD THE WORST POLITICAL YEAR. I said Boehner, for his total lack of leadership. That proves CITIZENS UNITED is bad for this nation. The democrats should run on it all day long up to November of 2014.

DAnneMarc
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Palindromedary wrote:In

Palindromedary wrote:
In watching that movie you recommended, I got an idea of how that video I recommended, showing the illusion of things rising up into the air (including that ice cream slowly oozing out of the cup followed by the cup floating up into the air), was created. A fixed camera could have been placed adjacent to what appeared to be a table top at the inside periphery of a centrifuge. The items were loosely held to the table top with some sort of sticky substance.

Palindromedary ~ Very possible. Or, the camera, table and glass may simply have been suspended upside down and filmed in slow motion like you suggest. A centrifuge is a bit elaborate when simple suspension and two-way tape would work just as well. Nevertheless, we can't believe any of these wild claims face value. Repetition of the experiments under documented circumstances must be done. I'm just curious as to which claims deserve the efforts to pursue. In all likelihood, anything that has merit has already been documented. Yet, you are very right to be very skeptical, even with claims that have been documented.

For instance, the PAPP engine. After some mental testing I find one grave danger with the idea. By sealing gases in a cylinder, if for some reason the piston becomes stuck when the gases are excited the cylinder will explode. The only way to insure safe operation of the engine is to incorporate an emergency release valve somewhere in the gas chamber. Of course with such a mechanism in place, one failure and the gas will be lost. The design that I've seen requires the engine to be disassembled to install more gas. I'm sure there is a simple solution to this problem. However, before I waste any of my time trying to find it I want to see a working prototype in action. The fact that one hasn't been developed and incorporated into anything commercial to date is very suspect. It is hard to believe that the establishment would prevent the advent of such a great idea. It is far more likely that they would have stolen and perfected it themselves. I'm very curious about what the truth is.

DAnneMarc
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Apropos to #32 ~ The internet

Apropos to #32 ~ The internet is full of nonsense and trickery. Perhaps one of the biggest "phoney" (pardon the pun) claims is the cell phone/popcorn experiment. If you haven't seen it yet, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSToR6hj0I

Palindromedary
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DAnneMark: Of course, the oil

DAnneMark: Of course, the oil companies may have a stake in keeping any more efficient engine off the market.

By the way, that youtube video...funny!