Yes! It's a great tool to catch criminals.
7%
No! "This is what a police state looks like."
93%

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olenzekm 14 years 18 weeks ago

If this kind of abuse of state power continues to increase it will make Orwell's 1984 scenario look tame. At lease Winston and Julia could go out to the country and meet securely. When we have automated spying and when that spying also dominates the skys, then there will be absolutely no place that is safe.

We must stop the ability of the government to use military tactics inside the borders of the US. We must also lessen our military activity elsewhere.

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David J. Cyr 14 years 18 weeks ago

It would be Golden Rule justice.

The aggressor war supporting votes of "progressive" liberals sent predator drones and home invading JSOC two-legged predators to Afghanistan...MovingOn into Pakistan, on their way to Iran.

Sociopathic liberals get all excited whenever they discover that any of the heinous highest crimes they keep (D) voting to do unto others might also be done unto them.

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dianhow 14 years 18 weeks ago

Sociapath liberals ? You just lost all credibility on that one I recall Bush Cheney committing war crimes Lying US into Iraq- a huge gift to AL Qauda helped them recruit many more enemies. Killing maiming wasting trillions

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Ray984954 14 years 18 weeks ago

You know there actually is a real world outside of the one you love so much betwixt your ears inside your head that does not track reality very well, and you need only shed your FOX influenced and conservative madeup world and look at the facts, not the ones that conservative thinktanks create and feed through the mighty wurlitzer of the conservative noise machine that is FOX and rightwing talk radio and the Heritage Foundation and the RNC who do factchecking only of each other, no outside reality exists outside your mighty bubble of horses**t.

There is a thing going around that is looking into who is attracted to the mindset and ideas of the corporate world of CEOs that feel no empathy for other human beings and whose only ambition and goal are greater and greater profits no matter who gets huirt, and also including the Republican politicians and Wall streeters who see nothing wrong with not telling their investors they're being sold toxic nonsense, and preliminary results look like so far only psychopaths are being attracted and welcomed into the fold to this world of Republicans "you're on your own" world where when corporations screw and hurt people the gov't pays for it and when Republicans policies that hurt people occur gov't pays for it, gov't being "We the People." A psycological test needs to be done before a CEO can get a job or a politician can be a public servant to insure that no more psychopaths are put in positions of deciding issues which will impact 10s of millions of citizens. There ought to be a compassion test because the decisions being made affect so many people who they should have some empathy for.

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David J. Cyr 14 years 18 weeks ago

Re: "You just lost all credibility..."

It is the depraved Democrat voting liberals who have absolutely no credibility in their faith-based (D)evil worshipping devotion to the corporate party's Democrats, who don't do the good they could when they can... because they have no intention to do the good they could when they can.

An American liberal is a corporate party voter who can only recall the complicity of their Republican partners in the crimes of the corporate state.

America's war against the people of Iraq didn't begin in 2003, nor end in 2008. It began in 1990, and was waged for more than 21 years, without any interruption.

Informed that UN (that is U.S. Clinton Administration) sanctions had or would cause the deaths of half a million Iraqi children, Clinton's Field Marshal, Madeline Albright, calmly — cold-bloodedly — publicly affirmed in 1996 what her and the Clinton Administration's position was: "The price is worth it." The "price" that Clinton was willing to have the Iraqi people pay included the collateral damage deaths of an estimated half million Iraqi children resulting from just the Clinton siege that lasted 8 years, during which Clinton patiently pounded Iraq's defensive capabilities and degraded all its infrastructure, while wrecking its economy, in preparation for the invasion that would have eventually occurred, regardless of which fascist the corporate party had in the POTUS seat when Iraq was weakened enough and the pretext for full scale invasion could be popularly plausible enough. The "it" that the Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Bush/Obama (R) & (D) gangster government continuum wanted was a private profitable public paid war removal of just one (1) insubordinate U.S. sponsored sand thug... and an oil deal the people of Iraq could not refuse.

The corporate gangster state complicity of the disingenuous anti-draft (not actually antiwar) "left" posing boomer liberals was rewarded with safer robotic efficiencies in fascism, while economic drafted others still fight and die (and slaughter poor people living over rich resources) in the resource wars relabeled "necessary" and "humanitarian" to please the sensibilities of sociopathic liberal maniacs who vote for wars to not be "dumb" done.

The expendable "boots on the ground" in those sociopathic liberal supported wars are children of the working poor; conservative kids; gays and lesbians; the to be [Pentagon] Dream Act recruited illegal aliens; NATO — any proxy — anyone other than the corporate party's (D) greater evil voting liberals themselves.

The corporate party's Democrats are to democracy what war is to peace.

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Ray984954 14 years 18 weeks ago

Yes, if that person was to listen to Bin Laden and what his plans and hopes for America was he would see Bush played right into it, as the nation is crippled by the costs of 9/11 revenge against the world by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and don't even mention the costs. of maintaining ever greater covert operations in the increased number of secret agencies under homeland security, and the 854,000 privilieged few who have top security clearence, I wonder how they keep almost 1 million people quiet all the time? As for 9/11, how dare someone attack the US imperialism Neocon society and make a point that the US is wrong to support unconditionally Israel and its apartheid. Bin Laden's goal was to cripple the US economically by coming after him, and what did they do? They started two wars and eventually forgot about him 'til Obama restarted the chase and killed him without a trial I might add. But the point is Bush did exactly what Bin Laden wanted him to do, instead of doing what Kerry wanted to do, make the situation a law enforcement issue not a global "war on terrorism." Pychopath conservatives, or should that be conservative psychopath? Either one actually tracks reality very well. Without being a Psychiatrist or psychological expert, the CEOs and Republicans are defined as psychopaths. According to Randon House Webster Disctionary 3.0 says: Psychopath-1. a mental disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.UH.....trickle-down economics anyone?They still beat this drum relentlessly.

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Ray984954 14 years 18 weeks ago

Okay, you have said that and I don't totally disagree with some of it, but you failed to mention conservative's role in this as if they were on the sidelines just viewing the game, not right in the middle refereeing, and changing the rules of the game as it goes on, and actually in control for the last thirty years of the gov't since the extreme Reagan and his Religiouys Right suck up to them view, and still rightwing nuts write numerous books about how the liberals have/are destroyed/destroying the country. It's the CONSERVATIVES that have been in charge for the last thirty years, not liberals, yes, even Clinton was a conservative president who catered to the DLC, the New Democratic coaltion and the Bluedog, who call themselves conservative Democrats. So, please explore for me the conservatives role in the f**king up of the country as they had reigns not the liberals.

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David J. Cyr 14 years 18 weeks ago

RE: "It's the CONSERVATIVES that have been in charge for the last thirty years, not liberals, yes, even Clinton was a conservative..."

The myth indoctrinated (D) dedicated "progressive" liberals believe that the Corporate States of America's Right is just the Republicans... either ignorant of or ignoring their own indispensable function within America's Great Rightwing Conspiracy.

The rise of the corporate state (America's fascism) was not a recent event. The corporate state was the product of America's Civil War — a war fought to determine whether white male landed gentry would own government and continue to inefficiently keep just black slaves in iron chains; or corporations would own government, and much more profitably employ far greater numbers of wage slaves of all races... using more sophisticated liberal mental chains, rather than crude old conservative metal ones.

The function of Democrats, from the Civil War to present, has always been to disempower or murder any and every social justice movement that might threaten the corporate state. Democrats began their serial killing spree by assisting the Progressives in murdering the People's Party (Populists). The co-opting liberals ensured that the union movement, civil rights movement, antiwar movement, feminist movement, and environmental movement were all moderated into ineffectiveness by corporate party (D) dedication.

The corporate party's Democrats are the defensive shield that protects and preserves the corporate state. The primary function of the corporate party's retrograde Republicans is to GOTV for the corporate party's depraved Democrats, so the Democrats' "Best & Brightest" can competently manage the corporate state's neoliberal policies. The corporate party's Republicans provide the theater of distraction, while the corporate party's Democrats reliably ensure that none, or the least possible change for good occurs whenever the people rise up in the streets.

The corporate party's use of two factions, with the (R)s and (D)s being falsely presented as being in separate purposed parties, allows it to fool near all the people all the time. Dependent upon the majority mood of the corporate compliant (R) & (D) voters, the corporate state installs Republicans or Democrats interchangeably — with apparent tactical differences yes, but without any substantive change in either ownership of government or its strategic goals... knowing that whenever the liberals get infuriated with the incompetence of Republicans they'll eagerly vote for devious Democrats to MoveOn further to the right than the Republicans were.

America's liberals are its true conservatives, whose orthodoxy best protects and preserves all the rot that should be removed. America's "progressive" liberals conform to a religion doggedly devoted to corporate crime complicity, having faith-based claims in a belief that good will only come from their ever stalwart support of evil being more competently done by Democrats.

The corporate party's ignorant Republicans vote for war because they think it is the answer. But, it is the corporate party's "intelligent" Democrats' votes that make war the only answer.

It is the corporate party's "intelligent" (D) dedicated liberals who have made America's fascism sustainable.

The "progressives" are liberals who keep voting for the corporate party's Democrats so they can keep protesting against what they keep voting for.

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