Does Obama have the right to use drones on U.S. soil?

NO! We have a right to a fair and speedy trial.
57% (21 votes)
NO! He shouldn't have the right to use drones anywhere!
43% (16 votes)
Total votes: 37
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Aliceinwonderland 1 year 29 weeks ago

"jcacourt" says: "Progressives always talk about presenting the FACTS. If you believe in this, then gather those FACTS and print them." Thom has more facts under the fingernail of his left pinkie than you've got in that gray matter between your ears. Try listening to him once in a while; you might learn a thing or two.

If we want to save military lives, we should haul 'em back to the U.S. where they friggin' belong. Because they don't belong in the Middle East or anywhere else! Oh- and by the way, the war in Iraq was based on bogus lies - Republican lies - not on FACTS.

Since this President has already targeted and assassinated Americans without due process, I wouldn't put anything past him. You've got way more confidence in Obama's character than I have, at this point. - Aliceinwonderland

samsnead 1 year 29 weeks ago

Think of the money that will be saved by not having to operate the court system. Post-Constitutional America offers us so much: like being freed from the shackles of due process, no search warrants, execution stays, Antonin Scalia being marginalized by not his doing, "saturday night massacre" being met literally!!!! What would Stalin, Mao, der Furhrer, Caligula, Genghis Khan et al think about this? They must be smiling, wherever they are burning. Hail to the Chief!!!! Did any of you ever think we would find common ground with Rand Paul??

jcacourt 1 year 29 weeks ago

I didn't vote because you gave me no option with which I agreed.

Why don't you ask if we believe Republicans can be blamed for the thousands of deaths of our military and those of ordinary citizens when war was declared on Iraq? Why don't you ask why Iran became so powerful after our troops killed his worst enemy, Saddam Hussein? Why don't you ask how many military lives are saved by the used of drones in the Middle East?

Progressives always talk about presenting the FACTS. If you believe in this, then gather those FACTS and print them. Whatever makes you think a US President would target US citizens in their own country is beyond me. I don't think this would ever happen!

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washnwmn 1 year 29 weeks ago

Further proof that our government is growing increasingly more disfunctional. We have the executive branch ignoring the law in the constitution and our right to due process, the judicial branch interpreting/ re-inventing the constitution, making corporations people, and a conservative crazies in our congress pushing unconstitutional agendas, unconstitutional because they're not in the public interest. Supporting banksters and corporate interests is not in the interest of the average US citizen no matter how they paint it.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Outback 1 year 29 weeks ago

Dianhow, as A.I.W. has pointed out to you, there would be no need for "collateral damage", or war for that matter, if we (the EW ESS of AYYYY!!) weren't perpetually bombing the shit out of everybody else on the planet that has something we want. For God's sake, try to get your head around the concept of "cause and effect"....

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Aliceinwonderland 1 year 29 weeks ago

To answer Thom's question - NO. Not here, not anywhere. Murder at the click of a mouse is cowardly, it is obscene, and this is what fascism looks like in the 21st Century!

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Aliceinwonderland 1 year 29 weeks ago

"dianhow" says: "WE would all scream bloody murder if we have another 9-11. If drones prevent that horror... so be it."

Really! So then, why do you suppose 9-11 happened in the first place?! Had we not been in the habit of attacking foreign soverign nations without provocation and murdering their citizens, do you think there would have been a 9-11? But of course, that horror gave Baby Bush the perfect excuse to lie his way into another war at our (and Iran's) expense. (Never mind that most of the 9-11 perpetrators were Saudi, not Iraqi.) So this deadly cycle of tit-for-tat drags on ad nauseam. It's already been more than a decade since 9-11... Feeling safe yet, "dianhow"?

How would YOU like to be that "collateral damage", caught in the crossfire of this War for Almighty Oil? But of course, it isn't you or your nearest & dearest being massacred, so... let's just keep doing it! Long as YOU feel safe, it's worth it; right?

Beam me up... - Aliceinwonderland

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dianhow 1 year 29 weeks ago

By the time ' Obama took time to get approval from this blocking do nothing Congress American Lives would be lost Commander in Chief gives him tha power to decide Bagger led GOP / Dems can not agree on anything

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dianhow 1 year 29 weeks ago

Drones on US soil NO IN enemy territory ? Yes Obama is Commander in Chief ! Its his duty to keep US safe . If he truly believes drones are helping us do so.. then do it. as carefully as possible. There IS collateral damage in any war / conflict. Al Quada has sworn to kill our women / children anywhere . WE would all scream bloody murder if we have another 9 / 11 If drones prevent that be it. .

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agebel 1 year 29 weeks ago

I agree with what Thom has been saying. The executive branch is the executioneer.

Congress being a representative of the people (I wish) should be the jury.

The judical branch should be the judge.

And the executive branch should be the law that finds the bad people.

If the executive branch finds someone that is going to do something against the defined laws of the land, then they should get representatives from the other two branchs and make their case, and if they make their case then they can put on their executioneer hat and do what is necessary.

Of course that being said, if President Obama brought proof to this congress and court that a thousand armed men were going to lay siege to the White House, they would probably say the people have the right, and it the presidents fault for stopping the White House tours.

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