trueblue313 -- I do not disagree with what you say, but I have a hard time seeing any evidence that this factor had any more bearing than the hacking of the DNC emails. However, my only joy from the outcome of this election is that "the third way" lost. That joy pales in comparison to the terror of an autocratic oligarchy.
What hack? The emails were leaked by a staffer who was horrified by the sleeze of the New DNC. He could tell us more, but PantSuitonFire had him whacked. Still, the wailing about Russian hacking did successfully supress any discussion of the contents of those emails. And now Babykiller McCain and Co. are too eager to show how outraged they are and go to war with the Russians.
The term "politically correct" was originally derogatory. We need a new party, Peace and Freedom, Populist or Socialist, that is anti-war, anti-empire, pro-education, dedicated to the general welfare, willing to take down fascist traitors, pro-human rights, pro-New Deal, willing to dismantle the police state and that will not tolerate political rectitude. Note that PantSuitonFire's whole campaign was that Combover was and is politically incorrect; hell, everyone knows that, and that is why many supported him. Most Americans are fed up with political rectitude. So pointing out that Trump is a rude asshole is no match at all for Combover pointing out that the Democrats did nothing to get their jobs back.
Now is the time to start a new party; the Democrats have dug themselves into a deep hole and continue to dig deeper with all their sour grapes. And by Labor Day the Repugs will be in big trouble that will just get worse as the economy sinks.
There is already a party as described - The Greens.
But until you Americans demand a major overhaul of the way elections are run you are stuck with Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber.
To get representative democracy:
Step 1. Electoral College delegates are allocated in proportion to the votes in each state.
Step 2. Senators and Congressmen are elected by state wide ranked choice voting (Called STV everywhere else on the planet) across the whole state. (e.g. vote for 10 of the following candidates). Abolish individual districts. This givies smaller parties a better chance of representation.
Until then your Counrty will continue to be run by big money for big money. PLEASE do not call what you have a democracy.
We changed our system in New Zealand. It can be done but only by mobilising support and a lot of hard work and determination. Check out Maine.
Sorry, the Greens (here in the US) are all about Political Rectitude. On Health Care their issue is that transgender people should be able to get gender reassignment surgery paid for by taxpayers. This is the kind of nonsense that loses us the basic benefits of the New Deal, and reinstating the New Deal and strengthening it are what we need most. Likewise the whiney Neo-Lib sour grapes just immunize Combover from criticism when he does do something unspeakable. At large voting is a good idea and effectively thwarts Santorumandering; but Americans are not smart enough for it.
Unfortunately not only did the press give all it's attention to Trump but they ignored Bernie. So for me it was the DNC promising Hilary to make her their canidate (not giving us a choice) and also the press so all emcompassed with Trump, what a mess up they all did. Now we pay for their decissions.
The press did not give anything to Trump. Trump made himself available to the press every chance he got. Trump did not care if it was MSNBC, FOX, CNN etc. That was being smart.
Sanders was never going to get the nomination. Then we find out that the DNC stacked the deck against Sanders.
Clinton, on the other hand, evaded the press for the most part.
The error is not in the stars, it is in ourselves for allowing this state of affairs to come to pass. It has been a long time coming; George Orwell saw it clearly seventy years ago. It has been over thirty years since Rayguns encouraged monopoly consolidation of the press and forty years since Milhaus started the culture war. The Battle of Britian was not the beginning of WWII. Democrats cheerfully allowed PantsuitonFire and Devious Debbie to take over the party of Jefferson and FDR. Before we can do anything to turn things around, restore democracy and prevent our suicide, we must acknowledge our own responsibility for this mess.
Actually, I think it was a combo of the 1st and 2nd reasons. The free TV and internet coverage was definitely a huge bonus (gee, thanks media), but I firmly believe there is more to the hacking than we're told. I believe that Russia (or someone) hacked into the voting system selecting specific locations and somehow either changes. When I was watching the votes come in, they just didn't make sense. On the east coast, too much coming in for Trump when many states should have been Hillary. Then in the mid-west, Trump started slowing down and Hillary improved. Of course we all know California is an easy win for a Dem. But it was like someone turned down the water to a trickle then eventually turned it off. So once the western states starting coming in, the hackers saw that Trump was doing well enough to win, so they stopped hacking the votes.
If the votes were hacked, I wouldn't be surprised to see that knowledge is surpressed. Reason isn't b/c "they" want Trump to win but rather due to what would actually happen if it was revealed that the hackers changed the votes. Every Dem would be uproared as well as many Republicans. But it would cause our government to come to a complete halt, possible crumble in front of our eyes. Imagine, then, that every single person elected to Congress would need to be checked for voter fraud like this. The people would deman an entirely new system, hopefully paper ballots, From then on out, every citizen and politician alike would wonder if they actually won. We wouldn't be able to do anything else other than the voting system.
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The DNC supression tactics against Bernie added to the other things that prevented his supporters from accepting Hillary.
None of the above.
The Dems have been pushing white voters away for years.
trueblue313 -- I do not disagree with what you say, but I have a hard time seeing any evidence that this factor had any more bearing than the hacking of the DNC emails. However, my only joy from the outcome of this election is that "the third way" lost. That joy pales in comparison to the terror of an autocratic oligarchy.
The Democrats lost big because they chose the most despised woman in the world as their candidate. RIP DNC!
Roland
What hack? The emails were leaked by a staffer who was horrified by the sleeze of the New DNC. He could tell us more, but PantSuitonFire had him whacked. Still, the wailing about Russian hacking did successfully supress any discussion of the contents of those emails. And now Babykiller McCain and Co. are too eager to show how outraged they are and go to war with the Russians.
Roland
The term "politically correct" was originally derogatory. We need a new party, Peace and Freedom, Populist or Socialist, that is anti-war, anti-empire, pro-education, dedicated to the general welfare, willing to take down fascist traitors, pro-human rights, pro-New Deal, willing to dismantle the police state and that will not tolerate political rectitude. Note that PantSuitonFire's whole campaign was that Combover was and is politically incorrect; hell, everyone knows that, and that is why many supported him. Most Americans are fed up with political rectitude. So pointing out that Trump is a rude asshole is no match at all for Combover pointing out that the Democrats did nothing to get their jobs back.
Now is the time to start a new party; the Democrats have dug themselves into a deep hole and continue to dig deeper with all their sour grapes. And by Labor Day the Repugs will be in big trouble that will just get worse as the economy sinks.
Roland
There is already a party as described - The Greens.
But until you Americans demand a major overhaul of the way elections are run you are stuck with Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber.
To get representative democracy:
Step 1. Electoral College delegates are allocated in proportion to the votes in each state.
Step 2. Senators and Congressmen are elected by state wide ranked choice voting (Called STV everywhere else on the planet) across the whole state. (e.g. vote for 10 of the following candidates). Abolish individual districts. This givies smaller parties a better chance of representation.
Until then your Counrty will continue to be run by big money for big money. PLEASE do not call what you have a democracy.
We changed our system in New Zealand. It can be done but only by mobilising support and a lot of hard work and determination. Check out Maine.
Hi Peter,
Sorry, the Greens (here in the US) are all about Political Rectitude. On Health Care their issue is that transgender people should be able to get gender reassignment surgery paid for by taxpayers. This is the kind of nonsense that loses us the basic benefits of the New Deal, and reinstating the New Deal and strengthening it are what we need most. Likewise the whiney Neo-Lib sour grapes just immunize Combover from criticism when he does do something unspeakable. At large voting is a good idea and effectively thwarts Santorumandering; but Americans are not smart enough for it.
Roland
Unfortunately not only did the press give all it's attention to Trump but they ignored Bernie. So for me it was the DNC promising Hilary to make her their canidate (not giving us a choice) and also the press so all emcompassed with Trump, what a mess up they all did. Now we pay for their decissions.
Jackie,
The press did not give anything to Trump. Trump made himself available to the press every chance he got. Trump did not care if it was MSNBC, FOX, CNN etc. That was being smart.
Sanders was never going to get the nomination. Then we find out that the DNC stacked the deck against Sanders.
Clinton, on the other hand, evaded the press for the most part.
K2
Hi Jackie,
The error is not in the stars, it is in ourselves for allowing this state of affairs to come to pass. It has been a long time coming; George Orwell saw it clearly seventy years ago. It has been over thirty years since Rayguns encouraged monopoly consolidation of the press and forty years since Milhaus started the culture war. The Battle of Britian was not the beginning of WWII. Democrats cheerfully allowed PantsuitonFire and Devious Debbie to take over the party of Jefferson and FDR. Before we can do anything to turn things around, restore democracy and prevent our suicide, we must acknowledge our own responsibility for this mess.
Roland
Actually, I think it was a combo of the 1st and 2nd reasons. The free TV and internet coverage was definitely a huge bonus (gee, thanks media), but I firmly believe there is more to the hacking than we're told. I believe that Russia (or someone) hacked into the voting system selecting specific locations and somehow either changes. When I was watching the votes come in, they just didn't make sense. On the east coast, too much coming in for Trump when many states should have been Hillary. Then in the mid-west, Trump started slowing down and Hillary improved. Of course we all know California is an easy win for a Dem. But it was like someone turned down the water to a trickle then eventually turned it off. So once the western states starting coming in, the hackers saw that Trump was doing well enough to win, so they stopped hacking the votes.
If the votes were hacked, I wouldn't be surprised to see that knowledge is surpressed. Reason isn't b/c "they" want Trump to win but rather due to what would actually happen if it was revealed that the hackers changed the votes. Every Dem would be uproared as well as many Republicans. But it would cause our government to come to a complete halt, possible crumble in front of our eyes. Imagine, then, that every single person elected to Congress would need to be checked for voter fraud like this. The people would deman an entirely new system, hopefully paper ballots, From then on out, every citizen and politician alike would wonder if they actually won. We wouldn't be able to do anything else other than the voting system.