Daily Topics - Wednesday January 6th 2009

cia imagesQuote:  Never has there been a good war or a bad peace --- Benjamin Franklin

Hour One - Are historic CIA internal power struggles endangering America? Lamar Waldron www.legacyofsecrecy.com

Hour Two - Why are conservatives doing Osama bin Laden's work for him? Dinesh D'Souza www.dineshdsouza.com

Hour Three Thom is confronting Jerry Doyle on ”Economic facism, policy police, the death of capitalism…” all in his book Have you Seen My Country Lately? www.jerrydoyle.com

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Mark (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#1

Since we seem to be nearing the end of “phase one” of health care reform, perhaps we won't need to talk about it anymore? Not very likely, especially since some on the left have decided to back-away from even the taint of acceptance of the "reform" bill in order to avoid any embarrassing reversal of progressive cred (of course, this could change at any time). It must be confessed that whatever bill is eventually passed will so convoluted that no one will know its true effect for years, and by then we will need to hope that the party in power desires to improve it rather than scrap it altogether.

There are, one may suppose, some “good” things in the final bill which will obviously look a lot like the Senate version--like allegedly preventing denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions (insurance companies could, of course, cite alternative excuses for not granting coverage), limiting how much insurance companies can charge seniors, and capping overhead costs (meaning that some of the people who are paid to say “no” may have get down on their hands and knees and learn how to say “yes” to another set of customers with another employer). Some say that this system still essentially locks-in the continued enjoyment of massive profits for the insurance companies and pharmaceuticals; loss of revenue on “Cadillac” plans will merely be made-up by increases in premiums (sort of like Thom’s wage and tax theory), and taxpayer subsidies will make-up any other loss of profitability.

We must especially hope that what emerges from confused state to semi-comprehensible is the so-called “insurance exchange” proposal, and its viability as an option to the public option. For one thing, there has to be a sufficiently large pool of “customers”—particularly among those who are not the otherwise “uninsurable” and impoverished—and an oversight body with enough power to secure insurance company compliance in the public interest. Apparently there is no guarantee of the former, and no assurance of the latter, particularly if a Republican administration has any say in how the exchange is regulated.

In the current proposal only a limited number of people initially (rather than all having the option) are being permitted access to the exchange, which is counterproductive. Nor is there a sufficiently strong enforcement mechanism to insure that insurance companies will play by the “rules.” We have to “trust” them. Without strong regulatory enforcement or the ability to negotiate rates to insure good benefits at affordable premiums, the exchange will merely become a dumping ground for wildly varying plans, from low premiums with high out-of-pocket expenses to high premium plans only (very) modestly moderated by tax subsidies. I suppose, if we want to look at it from a glass half-full perspective, that once this program is instituted and its failings manifest, that people will demand improvements, and maybe lawmakers will be forced to listen to them then, for once.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#2

I suppose it would be useful if you could determine the likelihood of a politician to hold his ground on his position when you do a test to see who agrees with your positions.

Perhaps some people would like someone who changes with the blowing wind, and others might like the immovable.

I know I'd prefer someone who stayed the course.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#3

"Dick Cheney is a traitor", such a statement smears traitors everywhere.

I don't think there's a word for what Cheney is, in the future I think people will refer to characters that are beyond odious as 'Cheneyistic'

AZAFVET (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#4

Progressives are paying the price for DLC Democrats actions. Byron Dorgan was also a progressive Democrat that served North Dakota and America well. He was the Senator that spoke out against repealing Glass-Steagall warning about the disastrous economic effects that would result which, unfortunately has become true.

gerald (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#5

re:Cheney responsible for everything...yeah, the only exception being Rumsfield's responsibility for aspertame.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#6

I wonder, is Cheney/Rumsfeld the cause or are they the symptom.

I believe they are symptoms of Corporate influence on Government. Ultimately we'll have more men like this surface time and again so long as the corrosive effect of money and business rule a democratic government. Perhaps (hopefully) I'm wrong.

Blue Mark (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#7

Here's the deal. These terrorists are not supermen. They aren't bigger than life, they don't have super powers, they aren't able to defeat our justice system, they can't escape from our supermax prisons. They are, to a man, pathetic wimps. They are weaklings. They attack innocent civilians because they know they can't handle a fair fight. They use fear because they are too pathetic and lame to be able to use persuasion.

The idiot coward fools who build them up are helping the terrorists and hurting America rather than protecting it. They are collaborating with the terrorists in making us more fearful and less free. Their approach of ramping up the fear is exactly the wrong thing to do. We need to put the terrorists in their proper place - prison - and treat them as what they are - weaklings, wimps and morons. I love that we are calling this latest guy the "underpants bomber", that disdain is exactly correct. We should be mocking these fools in the media, not building them up as bogeymen.

Sensible security makes sense, but the cost is too high if we trade our freedoms for security. We need to respond to the threat of terror with vigilance and mockery.

Eventually one of these morons is going to get lucky and actually succeed in their attack. We still need to mock them. They send a thousand morons, and one is bound to get through. Give them no respect. Refuse irrational fear. Yes, we'll grieve the loss of innocent life at the hands of moronic cowards who are too afraid to put up a fair fight, but we should never fear or respect them.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#8

I agree with Thom that Reagan's administration destroyed what America was... but it seems like Reagan was as much a puppet as W.

We need to cut the puppet-masters strings. Campaign Funding Reform and Instant Run-off voting.... should probably be about the only things progressives as a whole should be focusing on; the people need their voice back.

Quark (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#9

Thom,

It seems increasingly obvious that Obama's justice department will not prosecute the criminals or replace the U.S. attorneys from the Bush administration because they will turn over rocks that implicate members of the Clinton administration and other Democrats. Everything you are talking about today tells me there are "big secrets" that the American people just cannot be allowed to know without losing faith in major institutions of government.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#10

Re: X-mas bomber... perhaps the government needs to encourage people to be brave to be free.

'tis noble and sweet to fly for one's country.

mstaggerlee (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#11

I'm baaa-aaaack! :)

Been away for a while - vacation and office relocation madness have caused a bit of turmoil with respect to my ability to post my opinions here. My appearances hereabouts may remain rare for the next week or so, till things get back to what passes for normal at my office.

@Mark - You've touched upon my greatest fear regarding Health Care Reform. Even if Obama and Congress DO manage to pass a useful reform bill, sooner or later there will be another Rethuglican elected to the Presidency. So, what happens when a philosophical grandson of the Cheney/Rummy Cabal get to make decisions regarding public health? That, my friends, is when the "Death Panels" may truly commence.

@Blue Mark - Well said, sir! My sentiments to a "T"!

DRichards (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#12

Weird News
Man pleads no contest for masturbating in Kohl's store
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/01/06/howar...

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#13

Re: Quark, The American people have faith in major institutions of the government?

I thought the Re-pube-lickens have been doing everything possible to make sure that no American would have faith in the government, and I think they're doing a damn good job at it too.

Shawn Mitchell (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#14

I came across a blog post today that talks about how "Al-Qaeda Doesn't Exist"
Here's a video from the post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTgpsAs4_c&feature=player_embedded
At some point the video show's Rumsfield on MTP W/ Tim Russert selling "Al-Qaeda", as this advanced terrorist threat.
A friend sent me a link through Facebook from EuroTheYank's Blog: The Truth Behind Terror - The Great Satan & CIA Drug Trafficking.
I personally think that no President will ever tell us the truth because it exposes the lies and criminal enterprise that we are unknowing apart of with CIA and other US Agencies around the world. What do you think Mr. Hartmann?

rewinn (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#15

@Thom - re the question whether the crotch bomber info screwup was a CIA black op ---

"Never attribute to malice what may adequately be explained by screw-ups"

(...not original to me but pertinent...)

Theodore J Marcott (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#16

On the subject of terrorism, and it's handling, all of the components were in place to stop the underwear bomber, yet he was ALLOWED to get on the plane...we need to know why the cameras were off and why operations were not shut down until they were turned back on. We need names of the people in charge of maintenance, and management. We need the names of the people who accepted cash from a Nigerian with no luggage and shakey ID, then we need criminal prosecutions of EVERYONE who dropped the ball on this...if it was due to negligence, otherwise it was clearly a conspiracy.

Theodore J Marcott (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#17

As far as our intellegence community, their reputation is shot! (I wanted to use another word)
Until we have leadership and intelligence working together, they are collectively working against our best interests.

DRichards (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#18

Re: “Never attribute to malice what may adequately be explained by screw-ups”

Perhaps, though I think it behooves those in power to keep us very much afraid. (Allowing such things to happen furthers their agendas).

rewinn (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#19

"it behooves those in power to keep us very much afraid"

If the Fear-nistas had to take off their shoes, we just might see that they have hooves!

Nels (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#20

"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself." FDR

I took that statement to mean that our country needs to free itself from paralytic fear and do what is necessary. Guess the cons found it to be useful advise on how to further their agenda.

Nels (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#21

Is there really a difference between a socialist government and a truly democratic government. For the people by the people seems pretty socialist to me.

Quark (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#22

Reality of Right Wingnut Nostalgia Revealed

Last night, the Daily Show did an amazing expose regarding the past glory days of America for which the right-wing talking heads are nostalgic (video):

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-5-2010/even-better-than-th...

Tim (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#23

This guy, Jerry doesn't have a leg to stand on. None of these people do. Good thing he has health insurance. Maybe he'll be able to get a good artifical leg.

Shawn Mitchell (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#24

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
Donald Rumsfeld
or "[Osama Bin Laden is] either alive and well or alive and not too well or not alive."

"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens"
Rumsfeld-isms....type of thinking we have had for last 8 plus years

Kim Kaufman (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#25

re your recent talk about why Byron Dorgan is leaving... get him on and ask him!

Marty (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#26

Someone please help me with this - when an actor, say Alec Baldwin speaks on politics, all the repiglican pundits say "Oh who is he, just one of those 'radical Hollywood liberals'" But when has-been hacks like Robert Davi and your guest Jerry Doyle speak or write (from a boilerplate), we're supposed to listen? Dennis Miller is 'funny' according the repiglicans, but a great comedian and agitator like the late-George Carlin gets pilloried?

Regardless of stripe, an actor is just an actor - even if someone gives that actor a radio show and a comedian is just a comedian, except if they get spots on Faux News.

BTW - Thom. When you say "the Vice President" is saying this and that, you do realize you're referring to Joe Biden , right? He IS the Vice President, not whatshisface repiglican former office holders.

Ben (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#27

I have had arguments with conservatives about money and charity. I just had a thought about it. Conservatives love to tell us that their party members are more generous to charity than liberals. While this may be true when talking about financial charity, I really doubt that it is true about giving of one's time. I wonder if there are any polls that show which party is more generous with their time as I would not be suprised if it turns out to be the Democratic party. Many conservatives believe in the almighty dollar above all else, while liberals understand that there are more important things in life than money. This is just a thought I had and wanted to get out there.

Zero G. (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#28

From today's Democracy Now!

“Obama Has Kept the Machine Set on Kill”–Journalist and Activist Allan Nairn Reviews Obama’s First Year in Office
In an extended interview, award-winning journalist and activist Allan Nairn looks back over the Obama administration’s foreign policy and national security decisions over the last twelve months. “I think Obama should be remembered as a great man because of the blow he struck against white racism,” Nairn says. “But once he became president…Obama became a murderer and a terrorist, because the US has a machine that spans the globe, that has the capacity to kill, and Obama has kept it set on kill. He could have flipped the switch and turned it off…but he chose not to do so.” He continues, “In fact, as far as one can tell, Obama seems to have killed more civilians during his first year than Bush did in his first year, and maybe even than Bush killed in his final year.” [includes rush transcript]
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/6/obama_has_kept_the_machine_set

Zero G. (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#29

ALLAN NAIRN: Right. Well, you know, the issue is not the safety of Americans. The issue is the safety of people. All people. You have to count not just the American deaths and potential American deaths, but the deaths everywhere, since—you know, since everyone counts. And the best solution is the one that protects the maximum number of people. And if you happen to be the party that is committing the largest number of killings in the world, as the US is now, then the solution is easy: stop committing the killings.
Again from: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/6/obama_has_kept_the_machine_set

In this case, in the present moment in history, that would have the added side benefit of most likely making Americans safer, as well, because you would take away the main provocation. Tom Brokaw, on TV this weekend, made a very interesting comment. He described what the US was engaged in as the “war against Islamic rage.” That’s actually the most telling definition I’ve seen. I mean, think about it. In Afghanistan, Karzai, the US/UN-installed president, basically the man thought of as a US puppet, the man previously lionized by the US press before he started speaking out against the US aerial killings of civilians, Karzai started to get enraged after a series of bombings of wedding parties by the US and NATO forces. Think about it. Somebody bombs your wedding, a foreign air force bombs your wedding. How are you supposed to react? Are you supposed to be delighted? Rage is the normal human response. If you stop that, you lower the rage, and you probably get fewer attacks on Americans.

You know, there’s a man named Kilcullen, who’s Australian by origin, who’s now one of the main intellects behind the US counterinsurgency policy. He advises Secretary Gates, who of course was Bush’s Defense Secretary, as well. He said that if he were a Muslim today in a Middle Eastern country, he would probably be a jihadist. Robert Pape, the leading academic specialist on suicide bombings who studied the entire database of all the suicide bombers in recent years, said it’s a consequence primarily of occupation. So, you stop committing mass murder overseas, and you immediately, immediately, just by that action, achieve the main goal, which is minimizing the overall deaths of people, and you most likely get the side benefit of also minimizing the deaths of Americans—

Zero G. (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#30

Why Counter-Terrorism Is in Shambles
By Ray McGovern and Coleen Rowley
January 5, 2010

Editor’s Note: A blogger with the PBS’ NewsHour asked former CIA analyst Ray McGovern to respond to three questions regarding recent events involving the CIA, FBI, and the intelligence community in general.

A couple of other individuals were asked identical questions, queries that are typical of what radio/TV and blogger interviewers think to be the right ones. So there is merit in trying to answer them directly, such as they are, and then broadening the response to address the core problems confronting U.S. counter-terror strategies.

After drafting his answers, McGovern asked former FBI attorney/special agent Coleen Rowley, a colleague in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, to review his response and add her own comments at the end. The resulting Q and A is below:

http://consortiumnews.com/2010/010510c.html

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#31

I would like to comment on Hour Three but if I use the f-word or the N-word, my post will receive a "Comment awaits moderation." My expressions and hands are tied.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#32

Here is a lengthy presentation by Wolff and Fraad. It is a four hour presentation to hear both part I and II. Some of Thom's ideas are hear without his name but Wolff adds some additional information. If you can find the time, please listen to "Psychology and the Economy" by Wolff and Fraad.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#33

Here is a good article by Tom Engelhardt and Nick Turse.

http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2010/01/03/what-to-watch-for-in-2...

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#34

You are well aware by now that Paul Craig Roberts is one of my favorite writers.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Liberty-Has-Been-Lost-by-Paul-Craig-Rob...

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#35

Today, January 6, 2010, was a glorious day for me. I receive Surveys from time to time from both the RNC and the DNC. Today, I received a DNC Survey. I unloaded both barrels. It is such a great feeling. I SAID THAT I DO NOT PLAN TO VOTE FOR OBAMA IN 2012. FOOL ME ONCE SHAME ON OBAMA; FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME! I DID SAY THAT THE ONLY WAY I WOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA IS TO HAVE HIM JOIN THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT AT THE HAGUE, NETHERLANDS AND WE BECOME PART OF THE FAMILY OF NATIONS.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#36

I enjoy reading Ray McGovern's articles. His recent article is five pages.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Counterterrorism-In-Shambl-by-Ray-McGov...

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#37

I forgot to link the talk by Wolff and Fraad. Here is the link.

http://www.rdwolff.com/content/psychology-and-economy-discussion-brecht-...

Gerald Socha (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#38

I just watched Richard Wolff's presentation on "Capitalism hits the fan." We are not in a financial crisis; we are in a capitalism crisis.

Quark (not verified) 16 years 30 weeks ago
#39

Gerald Socha,

I look forward to listening to the Wolff/Fraad talk. I feel so low right now (it's my birthday today (Jan. 7) and I don't know how much longer I can go on. I can't find work and my money will run out before I do, I think.

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