Daily Topics - Monday July 19th, 2010

Quote of the Day: “History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.” – James Madison

Hour One: When are Americans going to wake up and protect their economy?

Hour Two: Will repealing Obamacare bring back insurance industry death panels? Thom challenges Cngressman Steve King of Iowa http://steveking.house.gov 

Hour Three: What happens when "Capitalism Hits the Fan?" Author/Economics Professor Richard Wolff will be here www.rdwolff.com

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Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#1

Tea Bagger wardrobe change I'd like to see: Take those goofy teabags off your hats and use yoyos instead.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#2

The Politicons have been working on the premise
that "you can fool enough of the people enough of the time." It's worked for years. A Rovian tactic finely tuned.

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 14 weeks ago
#3

I have long been arguing that the National Security State and democracy are incompatible. The WaPo has started a new series documenting the expansion of the Secret govt., the privatization of security, etc. The black budgets are not reviewable by Congress except for 8 Congresscritters who have no recourse to illegal activities, as was evident by the warrantless wiretap "program" which Jay Rockefeller wrote a inconsequential handwritten letter which languished in Dick Cheny's safe for years.

Today on Democracy Now! Bill Arkin is interviewed about the series.

An explosive investigative series published in the Washington Post today begins, "The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work." Among the findings: An estimated 854,000 people hold top-secret security clearances. More than 1,200 government organizations and nearly 2,000 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in 10,000 locations. We speak with one of the co-authors of the series, Bill Arkin.

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 14 weeks ago
#4

Thom, Thank you for scheduling Richard Wolff!

Lore's picture
Lore 10 years 14 weeks ago
#5

The latest ‘pull that nose ring’ message of the anti-abortion ring leaders is that any health care plan without specific exclusions for abortion means that tax money is being spent on abortion. They claim that their religious rights are being denied because the taxes they pay go into the pot of tax dollars that pay for an abortion. The idea is that every penny paid in taxes is ‘owned’ by the taxpayer and represents their views and morals when it is spent. To make this easy to understand, consider that every cent spent on taxes is equivalent to that number of pennies. I guess you could say that the ‘head’ on every penny is actually a representation of the taxpayer. So where does that taxpayer go?
If you are a lefty you probably go to www.nationalpriorities.org or a similar group where you try to get changes to support America with government spending. But this isn’t about what the lefties are up to.
We are speaking of those people who consider abortion more important than any other issue when voting, those whose penny heads don’t want to have the ‘abortion taint’. I have sad news for you. You have been supporting abortions for quite some time. Just take a look around your home. Is there anything there that is made in China? China is not just a Communist country, it actively enforces strict population control which includes abortion. Every penny you have spent on goods from China is supporting abortion. That is not the end of it though. Your penny could have ended up in the hands of someone that shot a soldier when it was used to pay off the overlords controlling the roads in Afghanistan. Your penny head could have been spent in the local grocery where a pedophile received it in change before he raped a 5 year old child. Or, your penny head could have been given to you in change from a murderer that spent it and you gave it to your grandchild.
Maybe you just bought stock and included companies based in the Mariana Islands. One of the activities Tom Delay worked on was ensuring that labor laws were not enforced in territories so women could be forced to have abortions. Maybe your penny head went into the basket at Church. Then the church spent it on electricity. Then the electric company spent it on out –of-state services. Then it ended up in the hands of a farm worker who sent it to Mexico to support his family. They spent it on food at the local market. A drug dealer received that penny head and used it to buy a gun from an American bringing in guns from Arizona. Then the gun was used in a drug war where a baby was killed in crossfire. Your penny head really gets around!
So now that you are tainted with abortion, rape, murder and communism do you feel any better? Do you still feel that same affinity to the penny head you pay in taxes? Is your penny head still the appendage of your values and morals?

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#6

@Zero G, I heard part of that interview on Democracy Now on my drive this morning. Pretty pathetic that our government is outsourcing espionage. I wonder what percentage of such operatives are double agents, taking money from both sides? Every day I become more and more convinced that our Government is being ran by nothing more than incompetent people put in place by the corporations for there purposes. Even stupidity can't account for this level treacherous behavior.

N

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 14 weeks ago
#7

Nils, there is profit to be made in "incompetence"...

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#8

I would really appreciate Thom devoting an hour, sometime soon, to the topic of State Banks. How they are established, who controls them, what are the benifits vs drawbacks. Perhaps have a guest that is an expert in the topic. I'm intrigued by what Thom as mentioned in passing about these banks and would really like to know more.

I'll do some research on my own, but its hard to figure out sometimes which websites are full of BS and which ones are on the money.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#9

@Zero G, most definitely there is profit to be made in incompetence. Put an incompetent man in charge of running your regulatory agencies, and you can make out like a bandit. When the crap hits the fan, and the incompetent boob is brought in to answer why he screwed up, he'll so mishandle his defense, you'll never be on the hook. Brownie did a heck of a job after all, didn't he?

N

camplunalinda's picture
camplunalinda 10 years 14 weeks ago
#10

#17 -- The Priciple of Evolutionary Creation. Creation is not a one time process. The process of creation is continuous., directed and evolutionary. Creation and evolution are two sides of the same coin. The proper term that should be used is "Evolutionary Creation". Master Choa Kok Sui --THE EXITENCE OF GOD IS SELF-EVIDENT

camplunalinda's picture
camplunalinda 10 years 14 weeks ago
#11

OPTIMISTS on the FRONT LINES --

from PUBLIC CITIZEN --

"The passing of financial reform showed us we CAN overcome corporate power.

Keep fighting at citizen.org."

thank-you for your consideration --

GRATEFULLY EVERYTHING CHANGES --

with so many options -- MM

camplunalinda's picture
camplunalinda 10 years 14 weeks ago
#12

GRATEFULLY EVERYTHING CHANGES!

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#13

Curmudgeon sez:"The more things change, the more they remain insane."

trunciman's picture
trunciman 10 years 14 weeks ago
#14

The Republicans are wrong about selling health insurance across state lines. Of course insurance is cheaper in Kentucky than New Jersey. The healthcare costs are much lower. If the Kentucky Insurance company wanted to sell in New Jersey, they would raise their rates to compensate for the increased costs. Healthcare costs vary tremendously across the country. Also the Kentucky insurance company would not have a managed care network in New Jersey. This is a difficult and time consuming process of negotiating with every provider in the state. This is not a solution, it is just another smoke screen. We need single payor.

TomR

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 14 weeks ago
#15

Steve King said Obama calls his health care reform "Obamacare" and so implied that it was not disrespectful at all to call it that. I went to www.whitehouse.gov and searched for "Obamacare" and "Obama care". Here is what I found:

"I’ve heard a lot of Republicans say they want to "kill Obamacare.", Pres. Obama, 9/17/09 at a health care rally

"if you get an e-mail from somebody that says, for example, "Obamacare is creating a death panel," forward us the e-mail and we will answer the question that's raised in the e-mail. Suddenly, on some of these news outlets, this is being portrayed as "Obama collecting an enemies list." (Laughter.)", Pres. Obama, 8/11/09

A few other instances of the word "Obamacare" used in sentences by reporters asking Gibbs questions.

I did not see any indication in any speech that President Obama made of him dubbing his healthcare reform legislation "Obamacare." The guest was either wrong or lying to you. I went to his website and sent him a message letting him know of his error, which I am sure he will appreciate.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#16

re: Who killed Jesus?

Answer: Conservatives (obviously)

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#17

During the Viet Nam war, a spokesman for the US Army defended secrecy regarding bombing missions because the "enemy" would use that information against us.

Winston Hamilton, Director of Omega House at the time, remarked, "the Vietnamese already know where the bombs fell!"

It was that the US citizens were being kept in the dark that the secrecy could not be abridged.

Most secrecy is about preventing the public from gaining information that would help them participate in democracy and make informed decisions.

Also of note was that the press published Hamilton's remarks.

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raveneyes007 10 years 14 weeks ago
#18

Hello All, I would like to see a stipulation for all members of Congress to have their pay frozen, if unemployment in this country hits double digits. That would hit them in an area where they might actually feel something. That would be Economic Reform. If Americans are out of work, then those charged with representing the American People should suffer the fate of the people to remember who they work for and why they are in the positions that they are in. No unemployment for the American People, no paychecks for Congress, Repugnicans & Demorats alike.

If all else fails, we should not march in the streets and give them an excuse for Marshal Law, we should use the banks to cash our checks, leave just enough in there keep it open, take our cash out of the banks, and put it in a safe at home, and then, refuse to pay income taxes. No income, no unemployment benefits, no income tax. If 70% of America sat on it, and did not pay the income taxes, or penalties assessed, they cannot put everyone in jail. Send in a letter instead of how Congress has failed to look out for the American People and if we can't get our basics taken care of, then they can look to thier Corporate Masters and Bankers for a paycheck because we refuse to pay for poor performance. When jobs come back to America from overseas, when we narrow that unfair trade gap that allows China to get rich at the expense of the People of the US, when the Corporations pay their fair share of taxes, when the 1% pay their fair share of taxes, then the American People will pay income taxes to a government for the people of the people and by the people...not for the banksters, by the corporations, for the elite.

Let them suck on that!

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#19

#16 @Maxrot: Pontias Pilate was a governor; Jesus was a community organizer.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#20

@Gene, do you think Pontius Pilate could see Greece from his Palace?

N

Rloebl 10 years 14 weeks ago
#21

CETA...the Comprehensive Employment Training Act was an amazing program that needs to be revived! Please bring someone onto your program that is familiar with this act. I would suggest Andy Sum from either BU or Northeastern Center for Labor Market Studies....

Thank you for your radio program.

Also, I was recently fired for union organizing and had my case dismissed by the NLRB in LA

scottgee1 10 years 14 weeks ago
#22

Wow! R. D. Wolff!!

Very impressive! He's the ideal 'guest expert' for all media. Solid credentials (Harvard, Stanford, Yale, oh my!) and able to provide clear, concise answers to complex questions -- without jargon.

Shawn, can you make him a regular guest?

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#23

@Maxrot: Since Pilate was so much superior to Jesus, he could see Russia and Putin raising his head.

j.sea's picture
j.sea 10 years 14 weeks ago
#24

Right again Gene -- and their favorite one: Whatever you are doing -- accuse your opponent of doing it very loudly and aggressively. (That is how we can know what they are really thinking in advance.) They will accuse us of doing it first, thereby enfeebling any response. Way past time to stop letting them get away with such a juvenile tactic.

Lore's picture
Lore 10 years 14 weeks ago
#25

@ Jeanie -- Thank you for sharing that info!

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 14 weeks ago
#26

You're welcome, Lore.

j.sea's picture
j.sea 10 years 14 weeks ago
#27

Dr. Wolf is right. Our President must consider an emergency jobs and housing program. Winter is coming. Benefits are ending. A new wave of lay-offs is looming – and more houses are being emptied by the banks. The following from KCCI news, July 13th:

“A new study released by The Iowa Institute for Community Alliances shows the number of homeless in Iowa climbed 38.7 percent in just one year. The statistics mean that more than 23,000 Iowans have no place to call home. The study shows 14,000 of the homeless are families. Researchers said even they were shocked by the new numbers.”

The forces of darkness ("We must work in the shadows"/Shadow Government) want this collapse. They want it badly. Will we let them have it? Or will we all take immediate and creative and innovative action to head it off? Thousands of families on the street in the snow? Do we really want to go there? Sickeningly -- there is a force that wants that for us. What do we want?

nora's picture
nora 10 years 14 weeks ago
#28

The Superclass Is Motivated!

The economy question is actually playing out as planned by the predators.

Of course, as the Professor said just now, Our Government should have created jobs programs by now!

However, the Corporatists have not permitted the sensible, proven solution of arresting the jobs hemorrhage -- either by ending outsourcing/WTO or by the creation of a jobs program for lower class and blue collar workers to rebuild our infrastructure and to reforest our nation (that's carbon sequestration by the way!).

But thanks to the Corporatists (of both Dem and Rep extraction) now in charge, what we get is that the unemployment/underemployment has been allowed to continue because the plan is to 1/ allow the lower classes and blue collar working classes and the office support class to collapse and keep it collapsed so that these working classes have NO money to support the Small Business Class in order to 2/ make the Small Business Class collapse. Once that happens, the heart of the entire middle class collapses, which makes it possible to 3/ kill the tax bases of the cities and states and thereby create a desperation that allows the PRIVATIZATION of public properties and services and utilities. And once the Small Businesses collapse it is also possible for Giant Corporations (like WALMART) to step in to 4/ take over all power over manufacturing and retail of the daily needs and supplies for The People -- A Walmart Economy.

Thom and guest talked around the edges of this. The only way we can motivate the people is to educate the people thoroughly. And that includes letting the people know the profiteering chauvinistic MOTIVATION behind what those in power are doing.

As an aside, I want to point out that the Ruling Elite SEES themselves as the SUPERCLASS, and by plan they intend to attain complete control and want to make The People weak and beholding to them via influence over every venue from our government to our tap water. And the intent is to create a global reach. The Ruling Elite's intent is Global Government but they name it a more sneaky term -- "Global Governance" (meaning so much INFLUENCE is exerted, there is no need for them to hold government positions).

Thom, please start talking about the Ruling Elite's MOTIVATION and this long term goal behind their motivation.

To get more information on this, check out the book "SUPERCLASS: The Global Power Elite and The World They Are Making" by David Rothkopf. (Note that this book is not an expose, but rather a soft sell/cheerleading tome by someone with access to the actual Elite. It is MOST revealing. To give the author credit for trying, he does show some curiosity about what it is that ultimately drives/motivates the Power Elite, and he does include a section on psychopathology that includes this observation: "One psychiatrist with whom I spoke identified another potential psychopathology of the supersuccessful. They literally become addicted to the endorphins their brains produce as a consequence of their high stress, high return jobs. Running a country, a company, an army, or a church is a kind of extreme sport, and when you face high-stakes situations daily, you produce endorphins daily--and you grow dependent on them. Thus, the psychiatrist noted, when politicians leave office they often go into periods of depression that she asserted not only look like withdrawal but actually are withdrawal.")

nora's picture
nora 10 years 14 weeks ago
#29

Webmaster: Question and Request

Why even have a bold headline format if it is just a repeat of a few words of the first paragraph? Very time wasting to the reader and irritating when blogging. If it is too problematic to allow for a real headline, just drop the bold header altogether, puh-lease! Save us the time trying to figure out what the heck the first words are supposed to represent....

Thanks for your attention to my testy moody request. : )

making progress's picture
making progress 10 years 14 weeks ago
#30

I feel validated that you had Richard Wolff on your show, for not one but two segments. It was awesome! Below is my post from April when I first requested that you have him on the THP. So, Thank You. BTW Does anyone read day old live blog posts, such as this one?

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2010/04/daily-topics-thursday-april-22-2010

"Both Keynesian economists and Free Marketeers may have made a terrible mistake, by not asking about the underlying structure of our economy that renders both of them inadequate to dealing with what actually happens in a capitalism that runs the way ours does, and brings us to this position of a bankrupt business community on the other side of the barricades from an exhausted and anxiety-ridden working class, which is a recipe for social disaster. And if we don’t deal it in a serious way, we’re going to have to live through some of the hardest times that this nation has ever had to go through. And at a time when the rest of the world will need to deal with its own versions of this problem, that we can expect very little help, very little help from anyone else. So, it depends on us, whether we will have the strength – and the daring – to look at these problems in new ways and face the possibility of making radical changes." - Richard Wolff

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#31

@scottgee1, if Carrie Lukas can be a regular, guests like R.D. Wolff should have a place as a regular.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#32

@nora, Obama is a weak leader. He is a firm believer in "to get along you go a long." He would do the Democratic Party a great favor by not seeking re-election. Obama is the Grand Experiment that has failed.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#33

People have heard me say the United States of Hell but there are other names that are appropriate for our country. Here are the other names – the United States of Numb Nuts, the United States of Sodom and Gomorrah, the United States of Where Shit Rises to the Top, and the United States of Satan’s Disciples.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#34

When a person or persons lose a loved one, words are difficult to say in trying to ease a person's loss.

The Capuchin Missions in Detroit had this prayer card that may be of some help.

We Shall Meet Again

If I should leave this world without a warning, and not even whisper a fond farewell, grieve not for one more message from the lips that God has stilled. But just remember me with love and prayers for my soul’s journey to that fair land beyond life’s tears. For I have believed with all my heart in its existence, and I know that God is good, for He has come to me through the life of Him whose very garment I have sought to touch. It may be lonely, and I hope you miss me just a little, because I have loved so deeply my own family and faithful friends.

Forgive me if I have ever hurt you and remember me for what I longed to be. Have faith that I am nearer than your dreams and fondest longings. For the God of love shall keep all kindred spirits close together, though the misty vale between this world and that to come, keep us from each other’s sight, for a few precious moments. Whisper softly that you love me and it shall linger on within my soul until you come. Say not goodbye, for on some bright tomorrow we shall meet again!

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#35

The United States of Satan's Disciples is destroying humanitarian deeds. Americans can be indicted as humanitarian terrorists.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Darkness-in-America-Lynne-by-Stephen-Lendman-100716-717.html

America's soul is eternally damned.

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