Daily Topics - Thursday July 22nd, 2010

Quote of the Day: The best form of government is that which is most likely to prevent the greatest sum of evil. -- James Monroe
Hour One: Should Andrew Breitbart be sued for liable over the Shirley Sherrod firing? Attorney/Activist Kevin Zeese will be here www.prosperityagenda.us
Hour Two: Why does the tea party movement want to destroy the middle class? Rick Amato, conservative talk host and tea party activist, talks to Thom www.amatotalk.com ; Plus, Geeky Science - your next car could be powered totally by the sun...really!
Hour Three: Now that they've destroyed the Gulf, is BP slaughtering the West's wild horses? Animal welfare activist/ philanthropist Madeleine Pickens talks to Thom www.savingamericasmustangs.org ; Plus, the BLM responds - Nevada State Director Ron Wenker will be here www.blm.gov ; And, And, Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) will be here - why are the Republicans stonewalling her bill to help small businesses create jobs? http://landrieu.senate.gov
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YES!!!!! Until you hold these people accountable, they will continue to do as they please. It would also give the public a chance to hear about the truth about ACORN--how they manipulated the tapes and lied.
re Thom's comment "The corporate media actually swallows this stuff" well duh, they sat down at the table picked up the menu and ordered the dish!
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The only question is whether Ms. Sherrod is considered a public figure. The hack job was done on a 24 year old video, and if she is now considered a public figure she's fair game.
Sue the bastards! Crossing the Beltway is not a de facto surrender of a person's privacy.
DoJ should also look into Maxrot's #1 point - regarless of libel, Breitbart did interfere with the function (no matter what degree) of a federal office and officials.
The only handicap of being a public person is that the burden of proof is on you.

While I'm thinking of hack jobs, can someone comment on a possible Bill of Attainder charge for Congress's defunding ACORN?

Of course he should be sued. But, the most disturbing trend of the Shirley Sherrod affair is not that of the obvious racism of "Fix Nuts" (Fox News), and Andrew Bitefart; anybody even minimally familiar with them at all could expect something like this.
The most disturbing trend is that of the Obama administration to throw members of their base or their own administration under the bus, at even the whiff of a scandal from the media. Am I the only one that believes that this firing of Sherrod came down from someone higher up than Tom Vilsack. Does anybody believe that anyone that screwed up this bad would not be required to resign if he was really responsible for this screw up? Personally, I think this has the fingerprints of Rahm Emanuel all over it, but Vilsack, of course, would be required to take the fall.
Bottom line; the most troublesome part of this affair is the gutless cowardice of this administration. How are we supposed to have confidence in them when they won't even stand up for their own colleagues at even the hint of a problem, no matter, what the source. Are we now supposed to believe that they will stand up for us?
When I hear from Obama supporters (and I still am one) about Obama's many accomplishments so early in his administration; even there I'm a bit skeptical. Especially when you think about how leaky the Healthcare Bill is and how Financial Reform leaks like a sieve and many of the ugliest and unconstitutional policy abuses of the Bush administration have not been addressed or are still in place.
I think the biggest disappointment for many of us supporters of Barack Obama is that, this is a person that we saw the potential for a truly great president, but instead we are seeing a president racing towards mediocrity.
@stopgap, I agree with your post, however I would say that an even more disturbing aspect of this story is this, Fox and their minions succeeded, the last half of the week has been devoted to this story. There is no blow back, everyone who hates Fox, still hates Fox, those that love Fox, still love it, hell in either case I'm betting their ratings went up on top of it. So how long before another BS story like this is manufactured to distract us, go ahead and hold your breath, I'm sure you wont turn blue waiting for the next one.
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Are the Tea Partiers, racist, fascist, homophobic, conservative wing nuts?.... well if it walks like a duck....
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I think the Obama Administration is highly sensitive to any charges of racism because the president is half Black and the right wing crazies have put in the minds of their followers that our President is way too partial to Blacks. Like the media going out of their way to show that they're not at all liberal by giving conservatives way too much leeway and being very critical of things slightly liberal.
So they really overreacted.
I know this is off topic, but yesterday I heard of a "Generic Poll" that pitted Obama against "Any" Republican for president, and the "Any" Republican got a 6 point lead. I couldn't believe anyone would take the poll seriously, why would you. When you ask someone if you could vote for any candidate, they automatically assume the candidate they're going to vote for is their preferred candidate. So some think Romney, others Palin, or Huckleberry Hound, etc... so basically when your asking people if you could vote for Obama or Any Republican, your asking them would you vote for Obama or your Favorite Republican. How bogus can a poll be, and yet every instance in which I heard about this poll (on progressive radio) not one person pointed this out.
Is it just me, or is there just an apparent lack of questioning going on from our media sources.
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I was in the Tea Party while at Southern Illinois University. Dennis Sullivan was running for Student Govt. President, Bob Seely was running for VP, and I was running for Senate. Our symbol was "Dirty Duck." Sullivan and Seely won, I didn't.
Jeanie, Obama isn't only half Black, he's also only half Democratic, and that's his silent side.
Sigh....
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Where were the Tea Baggers during Bush's reign? Why do they only care about money spent on the poor and the unemployed? On those who can't afford to go to the doctor? Why don't they care about enormous tax breaks to the rich? Why don't they care about spending $1 billion every few days fighting unnecessary wars overseas? Why can't they ever answer that?
Maxrot, about your poll, did anyone even ask if it was statistically significant, or a poll on a public or conservative leaning website that might allow you to vote more than once? I'd guess not.
Awesome Thom, just awesome, re "Give me some names and I'll put them on the air", Rick didn't seem to have one name to give you either, in fact he seemed eager to move along, nothing to comment on here.
LOL
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Why can't these geeks just answer the damn question instead of changing the subject every time? He did it to you at least 3 times Thom. Hold them to answering the question please.
@Jeanie, I don't think the poll would have to be on a right wing site to get such results. That was the point of my comment, the question already mathematically gave the anonymous republican candidate a huge benefit by being the pollee's imagined ideal candidate.
Heck if it was on a right wing site that lets you vote more than once, I would think it woulda' been more like a 80 (or higher) point lead.
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Does anyone have information on www.co2isgreen.org? They placed a half page ad in the Lincoln (NE) Journal. We don't know who are the organizers but it really has our peace group up in arms. Any information is appreciated.
I don't know who is organizing for them ottomine, but I checked out that website link you posted, as professional as it looks, I'd say they've got corporate sponsorship at least.
Unbelievable how such groups are allowed to misrepresent the truth and just flat out lie. Its really a very nauseating site.
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Hey ottomine, perhaps you can use the Right wing tactic and just make up conclusions about people you think might be responsible. Something like, "Some people say that BP is funding the CO2isGreen movement, and we believe that Massey energy has also been investing heavily." So long as you start of with the "Some people say", how will they hold you responsible?
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Naked Cowboy vs Naked Cowgirl
I heard the lawsuit will be settled out of court.
Attorneys got together and exchanged briefs.
Not Strapping on the Happy:
I read my company’s renewal letter from Mark Gastineau, Senior Vice President of Blue Shield of California . . . Rate increase 10.3% AND they are excluding Cedar-Sinai Medical Group . . . My doctors of over twenty years and the award winning, nationally-recognized medical excellence center . . . because BSoC wants guarantee profit margins to secure their annual Executive Bonuses . . . Too bad it looks like BSoC is probably losing over $100K in premium next year.
Today's Dump & Run:
Yet another Republican generated Scooby-Do/Spilt-take Moment: Gingrich tells religious freedom loving American to emulate the religious in-toleration of Saudi Arabia in the name of God: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/gingrich_on_ground_zero_mosque_we_should_be_more_l.php
What maybe next for Ms Sherrod . . . Actually suing Brietbart: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/sherrod_i_really_think_i_should_sue_breitbart.php
The true insidious nature of Breitbart’s heinous bullsh**: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/shirley_sherrod_and_the_discrimination_of_black_fa.php

Maxrot, I'm not sure how much Fox New succeeded and I think there has been a good bit of push back. However, the people that love Fox News will always love it, no matter what. There is always a segment of the population that will be addicted to and believe the rhetoric of any ideology and there will always be people willing to feed and exploit that addiction.
Actually, the only honest thing that I''ve ever heard form Sean Hannity is his statement that, "I don't see any racism in the Teaparty signs." Because racists don't see racism. What allows them to be racists is that they are incapable of seeing their own racism. These people tend to think that everyone thinks exactly as they do.
Personally, what I'd like to see from the Obama administration is, not only the apologies and reinstating Sherrod back to her job, but also having her sitting up in the gallery next to Michelle Obama at the next State of the Union speech and telling the story of the media lynching of this fine person, specifically pointing the finger at Fox News.
@Maxrot RE the poll you discuss:
I’m confused . . . Are you saying that President Obama, the last Reagan Republican in government, received a poll number 6% above himself?
Why hasn’t Vilsack resigned? He was the one who embarrassed the Administration: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/vilsack_moves_into_full_damage-control_mode_after.php

Thank you Thom. Thank you.
re: #22: :D
re: #22: "Hello. I'm Naked Cowgirl's attorney, Hanes! What's your name?"
"..Depends..."
@rladlof, I'm not saying that, the poll is. My concern was just the way the information was presented, it was just oblivious to the slanted question.
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@Thom: #22 TJONKPTK started a massively funny context shift. I vote for TJONKPTK as Listener of The Day.

Wenker just appeared to have confirmed that the Calico "round-up" was on land that is in the path of the proposed pipeline. What he did not tell you is about the condition of the captured horses, those that survive the brutal round-ups, in the crammed, shadeless, often waterless holding areas. He did not tell you that humane associations are not allowed access to these horses. He did not tell you that there is ample proof, provided by filmmaker Ginger Kathrens of the Cloud Foundation, that the horses are not overpopulated and are NOT in poor condition, and will not be if given the land that was intended for wildlife, not cattle. The White House needs to hear from us about this.
I donated my old horse Stymie for autistic child riding program
Regarding Bureau of Land Management official Wenker's comment that only horses in "bad condition" are euthanized:
HOW did the wild horses get in BAD CONDITION, Mr. Wenker? Could it be from BLM's treatment of them??? Such as--
:: Is it because of the BLM's violent method of rounding them up when they are in fouling season???
:: Is it because the BLM approves of putting the horses in pens without any SHADE cover?
:: Is it because BLM changes their diet to an inadequate diet???
:: Is it because BLM induces grave stress by separating families of horses and putting them in the genocidal situation of never living naturally again???
:: Is it because the BLM rounds them up with vehicles and helicopters and makes them fall in fright perhaps?
:: Is it because the BLM causes them transportation stress without adequate temperature control, without adequate water (the same way the meat producers transport cattle with the attitude that it doesn't matter because the cows are going to be slaughtered anyway?)???
How anyone can say that removing mustangs is necessary so that CATTLE CORPORATIONS can run even more cattle is unconscionable. Cattle overgraze the ecosystem. It is just the truth. Mr. Wenker is nothing but a P.R. FLACK FOR THE CATTLE INDUSTRY AND OIL INDUSTRY. Disgusting.
And those specious arguments:
Overpopulation: There is no horse overpopulation accept in the eyes of Cattle Corporations and the Meat Industry who want the land for cattle and the Oil Industry who want to sequester the open wild land for their industrial uses!
Horses cost too much to take care of: Leave them on the plains where they can take care of themselves!
This is wild animal GENOCIDE. And this WILDLIFE GENOCIDE in our protected horse country is not the only place this is being proposed; look at this:
Australian report (Nature Conservancy and Pew Environment [?!] Group) says killing millions of wild animals will control carbon problem? (But no discussion of human health destroying, grain consuming, over-grazing, water polluting, water wasting, methane producing billions of cattle and factory farmed animals? Oh, no. The Corporatists PROFIT off those 'gassy' animals, so no way humans should protect their personal health by eating less meat!)
Can the profiteers get any more sick and insane and horrible than this?!
Evidently there is no way to profiteer off wild animals any other way, so the predatory Ruling Profiteering Class is going in for the kill on the phony pretext that carbon trading/credits etcetera will help this Earth.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/killing-millions-of-gassy-animal...
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If you hate carbon emissions, the Australian Outback may seem like a paradise, unless you're a bit gassy, that is. According to a new study, the vast, sparsely populated Outback stores an incredible amount of carbon within its forests and grasslands, a whopping 9.7 billion tons of the stuff, in fact. As impressive as that is, researchers say the region could hold much, much more if certain measures were to be implemented, but there's a catch -- one calls for the culling of millions of feral animals just because they fart and burp.
The study, undertaken by the Nature Conservancy and the Pew Environment Group, found that while nearly 10 billion tons of carbon are stored in the Outback ecosystem, it can actually hold around 1.3 billion more by 2050. To put that into perspective, the potential carbon storage is roughly the equivalent to taking 300 million cars off the road during that same period, reports News.com.au.
In order to tap into that storage capacity, the study suggests improving land management, reducing wildfires, regrowing cleared vegetation -- and killing off millions gassy animals, like feral pigs and camels.
Turns out, farting and burping critters are quite a problem. Barry Traill, a spokesman for Pews, explains:
When feral animals belch they release methane, a particularly noxious greenhouse gas, and every single camel or water buffalo releases the equivalent of around one ton of carbon dioxide each year.
When you've got hundreds of thousands, in some cases millions, of these feral animals, it's a very large amount of pollution each year.
While the report's findings seem to present a bit of a Catch-22 for environmentalists -- curb emissions at the cost of countless animal's lives -- Australia's Greens party seems up for the big kill. Senator Christine Milne sites an urgency "to make the changes needed to tap the huge potential that is there [in the Outback]."
Judging from policies in the past, Australians aren't too queasy when it comes to culling wildlife, namely when it comes to the continent's invasive species. Just last February, for example, it was announced that officials would begin dealing with a pesky camel overpopulation problem by feeding the feral animals to hungry crocodiles.
If Australia opts to consider the techniques suggested by this recent study to expand the Outback's carbon storage capacity, it will be interesting to see whether folks side with less emissions or if they'll decide that millions of farting and burping animals really aren't that bad. If the latter wins out, I imagine an entire generation of unruly children will take notice.
[end excerpt]
Thanks for covering the topic, Thom.
I agree with rladlof-- Vilsack should resign!
Vilsack discriminated against Ms. Sherrod, and Vilsack did that by listening to only one perspective. Vilsack displayed clearly that he LACKED THE PRESENCE OF MIND to review with THOROUGHNESS the charge presented about her behavior!
And Vilsack LACKS that same PRESENCE OF MIND when it comes to a thorough review of the GMO facts and figures and missing safety research! Vilsack's CONSISTENT failure to be THOROUGH is absolutely DANGEROUS to all of us.
Vilsack favors CONSISTENTLY the opinions of the corporation's hired scientists and consistently ignores independent research and non-corporate science. He is discriminating against views outside the Corporate script and Corporations' profit-hungry growth curve view!
Is Vilsack a bagman for corporations? (Knee-jerk reaction perhaps to SIDE WITH CORPORATE FOX NEWS regarding Ms. Sherrod and her individual RIGHT to a fair review?) From my perspective, can Vilsack serve the Nation instead of the Corporations alone? NO.
VILSACK SHOULD RESIGN NOW!!!
Vilsack, leave your Dept. of Agriculture post.
The President needs to replace one trick pony Vilsack with someone with a DISCERNING MIND who can RESIST Corporate pressure to side with Corporations no matter what the corporations are promoting -- whether it is racism OR gene-spliced Frankenstein crops!



Should Breitbart be sued for liable, hell he should be imprisoned for obstructing a Government official.
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