Daily Topics - Tuesday July 13th, 2010

Quote of the Day: " I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket." -- Major General Smedley Darlington Butler

Hour One: Is the entire world about to slide into another great depression? Journalist/author Webster Tarpley will be here www.tarpley.net; Plus, How do we go about "Getting America Back to Work?" Stewart Acuff of the Utility Worker's Union of America stops by www.uwua.net

Hour Two: Should there be a resolution condemning racism in the tea party movement? NAACP President and CEO Ben Jealous will be here www.naacp.org

Hour Three: How can we all save conservatives from "white tax" tanning beds? Thom has a rumble with Mark Williams, Chair of the Tea Party Express www.marktalk.com

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gerald's picture
gerald 16 years 3 weeks ago
#3

Hillary would have been a disaster as president.

http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2010/07/09/hillary-clintons-latest-lies/

gerald's picture
gerald 16 years 3 weeks ago
#4

It looks like Paul Craig Roberts wrote the same articles with different titles.

Zero G's picture
Zero G 16 years 3 weeks ago
#5

What have progressives gotten from the Obama administration?

Monday nothing

Tuesday nothing

Wendsday and Thursday nothing

Friday for a change, a little more nothing

Saturday, Sunday nothing

By and for Tuli Kupferberg

n8chz's picture
n8chz 16 years 3 weeks ago
#6

What have progressives ever gotten from any Democrat operating at the national level? Distanced from.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#7

Well if the Republicans believe that gaining the Congress and White House is as simple as putting the current economy into a Depression while the Democratic Party is in charge, they also better have a plan for actually getting the country out, and out quick. The Democratic Party held on for so long, because they resolved the problems of the Great Depression, and alleviated suffering ASAP. The Republicans don't seem to have the ability or desire to help out the "small people", and it won't take much convincing by progressives to put the blame where it belongs. If it weren't for the Supreme Court, and the danger of a violent revolt, I'd say let the morons get what they're wishing for, but I don't think a Pyrrhic victory and schadenfreude is much consolation to those of us that will be threatened and victimized by the iron heels of injustice.

N

n8chz's picture
n8chz 16 years 3 weeks ago
#8

The Republican Party has a lot of faith in its talent for public relations. This may be their Achilles' heel.

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Gene Savory 16 years 3 weeks ago
#9

Smedley Butler was a man who demonstrated fearlessness. He was one of the very few people decorated with the Medal of Honor - twice.

I only wish he'd realized the criminal aspect of war before he joined the Marines.

harry ashburn 16 years 3 weeks ago
#10

The Butler did it.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#11

Well the trickle down theory does work, but only on a very limited scale. If 1% of the people of a country of about 310 million people have enough money to employee people for their personal use, how many would they really need for their pampered asses, 10, 20 maybe 30 people, hired at minimal wages (less than today's current minimum wage, since they'll be able to eliminate it, and they would). So what could we expect 30% of the population working directly for the wealthy, for subsitance wages. The only other work necessary/available would be to provide services for common population. Again at subsitance wages. Trickle down economics can also be considered wage slave economics. We're not far from it now, as more and more manufacturing moves offshore, all were being left with is service jobs, whether its a clerk in a department store, grocery store, or McDonalds (all of which you can find in a Walmart), you get two things... diddley and squat (where do you think the came up with the term Trickle Down anyway?)

N

n8chz's picture
n8chz 16 years 3 weeks ago
#12

A 'trust but verify' version of trickle-down: Make the corporate income tax contingent on the un[der]employment rate.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#13

To many loyal Republicans their party loves this country, however, someone needs to clue in the members of the Republican party that make the median income (or less), that the leaders of their party don't consider the little people as part of "Their Country"

N

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sugarchai 16 years 3 weeks ago
#14

The stars on the Republican logo are upside-down because they leaned so far to the right that they fell over!

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Yellowbird7 16 years 3 weeks ago
#15

The Republicans have got the organizing thing all over the Democrats.

I went to the GOP site this morning to try to find an upside down picture of an elephant Thom was discussing. Of course, I never found THAT. But at the bottom of the page, loud and clear was a link where a person could find a JOB or become an INTERN for the party.

So I went to the DNC site to see if they had something similar. There was the begging for dollars and the guilt motivated rap to "volunteer". BUT NO JOBS. Not for the party, not for the nation.

WHAT makes anyone believe that anyone has TIME TO GIVE FOR FREE in a collapsing society?

And they wonder what the heck is wrong? They can't even get the FIRST PAGE of their site right.

I am tired of being misled by the DLC Dems. I want a party that represents the LEFT. I want an American Workers Party. Think we can start a new one? Call it the American Independent Movement and don't formulate it into a party. That way it can't be attacked. You can't attack a group that is not formally organized. Hence the massive effort to formally organize Afghanistan. See how long the shepherds have lived the way they WANT to live without interference? They don't want a government.

I am beginning to think they're right.

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Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#16

@Yellowbird7, you mean kinda' like the "Progressive Movement"?

N

harry ashburn 16 years 3 weeks ago
#17

re: #15: the elephant isn't upside down, the stars ON the elephant are upside down.

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Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#18

@harry, wouldn't that depend on which way your holding the picture?

N

harry ashburn 16 years 3 weeks ago
#19

re: 18: a la the GOP web site

sugarchai's picture
sugarchai 16 years 3 weeks ago
#20

Re # 18: If you turn the elephant upside-down, that would make the stars right-side-up, wouldn't it?

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#21

I think hispanics and asians have been known to use tanning booths. However I'm not expert in tanning, being a red-head, I have two colors for my skin, white and red.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#22

I live in California, and I avoid the outdoors and direct sunlight only slightly less than a vampire.

N

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MugsysRapSheet 16 years 3 weeks ago
#23

Thom, the NAACP is over 100 years old, and was named when "colored people" hadn't yet been turned into a slur by the likes of people like Mark.

Today, the NAACP keeps the "CP" part of their name because 1) it is their registered name, and 2) the alternative is the NAAAA. Nyah.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#24

The Mark Williams converstation leaves me with only one word... hypocrit.

N

harry ashburn 16 years 3 weeks ago
#25

re: #20 YES in the chat room, there's a bunch of people posting upside down GOP elephant icons, you can see the stars are correct.

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Gene Savory 16 years 3 weeks ago
#26

It's impossible to have a conversation when the participants are all speaking at the same time. You just can't speak and listen simultaneously.

harry ashburn 16 years 3 weeks ago
#27

re: #21 i know a light skinned african american guy who uses sunscreen

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 16 years 3 weeks ago
#28

I like that term "Pot them down", sounds like the opposite of "Coked up" (though I figure Thom is referring to a potentiometer, still it find humor in the contrast of the phrases).

N

sugarchai's picture
sugarchai 16 years 3 weeks ago
#29

Didn't Mark Williams say that there are people who use tanning booths to relieve psoriasis and other medical reasons? Don't people of color get psoriasis, exzema, etc.? Wine has medicinal qualities too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tax it.

n8chz's picture
n8chz 16 years 3 weeks ago
#30

I frown on 'sin taxes,' not because I welcome the adverse health effects of the items so taxed, but because I see sin taxes as a cop-out response to the fact that 'tax' has $uccessfully been massaged into a dirty word. I also don't like the idea of the S-CHIP program being financially dependent on people continuing to smoke, or health care in general dependent on people continuing to scortch themselves in tanning booths.

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gharlane 16 years 3 weeks ago
#31

Tom -- In your Hour 1 rant about the Republicans doing everything they can to sabotage the Obama presidency, you left out one sentence: "And Obama is letting them."

And he has been, since January 20, 2009.

Whether his ideological commitments are not really all that different from the Republicans ("I am a New Democrat", he proclaimed himself in March 2009), or whether he's simply pathologically afraid of calling out the Republicans and their agenda, Obama has not stood up to them in any form, either in word or in deed, even three Friedman units into his presidency and mere months before the midterm elections.

And it started at the very beginning of his presidency, as I mentioned. Going back and reading Krugman writing about the stimulus in the first quarter of 2009 proves instructive, and Krugman shows himself to be most prescient (again).

Jan. 8, 2009: "...Mr. Obama’s prescription doesn’t live up to his diagnosis. The economic plan he’s offering isn’t as strong as his language about the economic threat. In fact, it falls well short of what’s needed. ... To close a[n output] gap of more than $2 trillion — possibly a lot more, if the budget office projections turn out to be too optimistic — Mr. Obama offers a $775 billion plan. And that’s not enough. ... only about 60 percent of the Obama plan consists of public spending. The rest consists of tax cuts — and many economists are skeptical about how much these tax cuts, especially the tax breaks for business, will actually do to boost spending. (A number of Senate Democrats apparently share these doubts.) Howard Gleckman of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center summed it up in the title of a recent blog posting: 'lots of buck, not much bang.'"

And Krugman also proves prescient -- again, even before Obama's inauguration -- on "bipartisanship". Jan. 5, 2009: "Look, Republicans are not going to come on board. Make 40% of the package tax cuts, they’ll demand 100%. Then they’ll start the thing about how you can’t cut taxes on people who don’t pay taxes (with only income taxes counting, of course) and demand that the plan focus on the affluent. Then they’ll demand cuts in corporate taxes."

July 3, 2009: "Obama administration economists understand the stakes. Indeed, just a few weeks ago, Christina Romer, the chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers, published an article on the “lessons of 1937” — the year that F.D.R. gave in to the deficit and inflation hawks, with disastrous consequences both for the economy and for his political agenda. What I don’t know is whether the administration has faced up to the inadequacy of what it has done so far."

July 9, 2009: "As soon as the Obama administration-in-waiting announced its stimulus plan — this was before Inauguration Day — some of us worried that the plan would prove inadequate. And we also worried that it might be hard, as a political matter, to come back for another round. Unfortunately, those worries have proved justified. The bad employment report for June made it clear that the stimulus was, indeed, too small. But it also damaged the credibility of the administration’s economic stewardship. There’s now a real risk that President Obama will find himself caught in a political-economic trap."

One could go on, but I think we get the idea. All you have to do is google "krugman obama stimulus site:nytimes.com" to get more reading material on the subject than you could possibly want.

But one more, from a few days ago, before I go. Again from Krugman.

Blog post, July 9, 2010: "Those concerns were what had me fairly frantic in early 2009: I was terribly afraid that the failure of an inadequate stimulus to bring unemployment down would end up being seen as a refutation of the whole idea of stimulus — which is exactly what happened. And by the way, the reason I was for temporary bank nationalization was that it would make it possible to recapitalize banks quickly, and get them lending, which would help make up for the weak stimulus; what happened instead, of course, was gradual recapitalization through profits, with banks not doing much lending along the way."

And this may well prove the epitaph of the Obama Administration, from the same Krugman post: "How did things end up this way? We’ll never know whether the administration could have passed a bigger plan; we do know that it didn’t try."

n8chz's picture
n8chz 16 years 3 weeks ago
#32

New Democrat, my @$$. The New Democrats are to be found at http://www.ndp.ca/

gharlane's picture
gharlane 16 years 3 weeks ago
#33

Well, in Canada, the conservatives are to the left of the US Democratic Party (to say nothing of the corporate-Republican wing of the Democratic Party, a/k/a the "New Democrats"). If only our "New Democrats" looked like Canada's....

But instead, we get "New Democrats" like these (http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=3869&kaid=103&subid=110) who espouse policies like these (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/17/AR201006...).

The Democratic Party is toast, and so is the USA.

And WTF is wrong with the Add Link button on Thom's site, anyway? Sorry about the ugly formatting.

gerald's picture
gerald 16 years 3 weeks ago
#34

A very sick country led by a very sick mentality!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Police-Brutality-in-Americ-by-Stephen-Lendman-100713-85.html

Eric Cantor predicts the Republicans will take back the House in 2010. Gerald predicts the Republicans will take back the White House in 2012. Obama will retire with $170 million from his stored campaign funds. What a country???

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gerald 16 years 3 weeks ago
#35

Everyone agrees that Thom is a great teacher. What is now so remarkable is that he can actually learn! He is slowly learning that Obama is the GRAND EXPERIMENT THAT HAS FAILED!!! Thank you Thom for having the ability to learn!!!

gerald's picture
gerald 16 years 3 weeks ago
#36

What has gone wrong in our once great country? As I study the history of hell-hole USA, we were NEVER a great country in our treatment of God's children. We have always been an evil, vile, and wicked nation. We are a nation of cesspools and garbage dumps.

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sandyc954 16 years 3 weeks ago
#37

I wanted to call, but couldn't. I know there are non white body builders that use tanning beds before competition. They are trying to play race card to somehow justify their own racism, which they deny or say I have no control over those people. I read their signs, they are mad because there's a black president and he is "not qualified". That was the "code" in the campaign "is Obama qualified?".

Calling it a white tax is playing the race card, we know there are non white folks that even out their tan (if you didn't know, it is true!) and also alleviate SAD. I would not use one myself, but I agree, it is a luxury and how much is the tax, really? Smokers pay tax, cocktail, wine and beer drinkers pay tax. I am a proponent of the "sin tax" or luxury tax. The hotel taxes for those vacationers, all those folks that can pay more for non essentials to offset the other taxes, so why does "taxed enough already" folks object? Just don't go to tanning bed instead of making accusations of racism to throw us off your own racism?

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sandyc954 16 years 3 weeks ago
#38

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tanji6.htm

Here is a link about the tanning salon and body building. A variety of people going to body building competitions and all want to make their skin tines dark and it just wouldn't do to have a "farmer's tan". Yes, this occurs in all skin tones.

I commented in Mark Williams' website, it appears he says many things which are "coded" to attract white supremacists. His website has an article calling the president "Racist in Chief".

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