Daily Topics - Monday November 14th, 2011

Hour One: Latest on "Occupy"...Occupy Cal to strike Tuesday - Ronald Cruz, BAMN / Plus, evicted? Jordan LeDoux, Occupy Portland

Hour Two: Keystone XL Pipeline...environment or jobs?! Dan Gainor, Business and Media Institute / Plus, Who's Behind the Mayhem at the Occupy Oakland Protests? Joshua Holland, Alternet

Hour Three: Fracking the Delaware - Josh Fox, Gasland

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mathboy's picture
mathboy 14 years 37 weeks ago
#1

Showing power isn't the way to win the fight. If they had power, they'd have what they want already, and success of the movement would be equivalent to a mugging. They need to show that they deserve what they are asking for.

oneworldatpeace's picture
oneworldatpeace 14 years 37 weeks ago
#2

YOU're WRONG MY BROTHER!AS my e address indicates I pray for a world at peace because in Viet Nam I learned after a couple of months that THEY didn't know what they were doing and in fact War was obsolete unless you indulge in TOTAL WAR that levels the civilian infrastructure while killing off the generation or so of warriors and then helping them rebuild. This is too expensive to be contemplated as workable and in essence is why we've "experimented" with War on the Cheap within 3rd World Nations that are totally unsuccessful and should be the practical end of "Geopolitical Strategy" endorsed by the moronic Neo-Cons.But sadly we still hear the same BS from them, now about Iran.

This keeps going on because we haven't made it TOO EXPENSIVE for the forces funding their activities and this is abundantly true for the OCCUPY movement. Capital OWNS the enforcement mechanisms and until it becomes painful for the funders no amount of moral persuasion will be effective against sociopaths.

I saw this confirmed on a trip to Indonesia for a wedding during the REFORMASI ! movement that overthrew Suharto. We arrived in Surabaya and met the groom and a driver who would bring us to Probolingo and as we drove through that city I was amazed at the damage done to some buildings but not to the other buildings on zero point property lines. The damaged buildings were burned out and windows all smashed. So Agung directed the driver to pull over to a group of young people with signs near one of the buildings, a discussion ensued, some hostility was evidenced about our "round eye" presence until he evidentally informed them we were there for his wedding. The hostility changed into broad smiles and backslaps and proffered handshakes to us in the backseat and one of the young people, amid looks up and down the street reached into a backpack and pulled out a PRINTOUT and explained in English that they had got it on the INTERNET and it showed the address's and WHO OWNED THE BUILDING! These owners were CRONIES of the SUHARTOS! What about the renters I asked? The guy told me "We moved them first!"

Everyone in Indonesia knew they were getting screwed by that system but until the International currency speculation drove up the price of rice and fuel to buy off the Suharto debt they were'nt directly affected and so first they went after the ethnic Chinese rice and petroleum dealers until the students started communicating and using the internet and specifically targeting the Suharto's and their Cronies.

This worked in Indonesia and would work here but shouldn't be used in an indiscriminate method against people just trying to make it as shopkeepers and merchants but to me any Internation, Transnational Bank or Corporation would be valid targets.

We have to make them hurt because the sociopaths won't pay attention until the pain makes them pay attention and that includes the sociopathic Republican Party and the Conservo-Dems.

We've started to get their attention by "move your money" and "move to amend" but this violence will be visited when the inexorable force of Capital slowly strangles the Occupy movement and people become frustrated trying to make a moral argument to people that gladly promote policies that spread poverty, misery, sickness and DEATH just to make more money and a political theory that supports and confirms their venal smug sense of conciet and superiority.

I just hope it's directed at the scumbags that have caused all this suffering and not fellow victims

oneworldatpeace's picture
oneworldatpeace 14 years 37 weeks ago
#3

Hey Mathboy, Our "LIBERTY" is based on our mere existance as citizens of this country and that by Constituition GIVES US all of the RIGHTS and POWERS not specifically given to the state. It does't mention Corporations, Insurance Companies or Banks.

mathboy's picture
mathboy 14 years 37 weeks ago
#4

Hey, 1W@P, what does that have to do with it? People have rights because they are capable of suffering. To win in a protest, you need to show the suffering that results from what you're protesting. Destruction doesn't do that. When you commit unnecessary violence, such as against people who are not your oppressors, you show a willingness to cause needless suffering, and thereby you become what you despise.

oneworldatpeace's picture
oneworldatpeace 14 years 37 weeks ago
#5

Hey Mathboy Please actually read my above blog!

mathboy's picture
mathboy 14 years 37 weeks ago
#6

I did read it, and I resent your tone. My first comment didn't mention liberty, citizenship, the Constitution, rights, corporations, insurance companies or banks. So I'm confused as to why you put up your comment as a reply to it.

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