Daily Topics - Friday March 9th, 2012
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#2
Dharma and Christ Require that every interaction be Authentic. Therefore, each one is different.
You have Heard the Voice of the Future. We Must as a People Design an "Ashram" system for Homeless and end the Causes.
The Mad Amongst Us have, in part, been driven that way. By a Society that is Unnaturally structured>
A Society ruled by Numbers, Hours, The Clock, The Dollar.
There are those Among us Who in another Society would have made Delightful Saints or Shamans ~~ yet we have shunted them and filled their heads with fears of demons and hell, and filled their hearts with our loathing and disdain.
In the Renaissance to Come ~~ a place to get warm, calming words, nourishment, access to a place to bathe, and get clean clothes, guided access to SUPPORTIVE and Understanding Services, will be basic and common and the root causes will be aleiviated.
We Will Get There.
#3
Thom: Your experience with the homeless person while buying your meal sounds like another experience a friend of mine, Jonathan Wilson - Hartgrove, had at Union Station in D.C. years ago. The following url links to how that experience worked out for him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hodj4qknn3E&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLE099F88A4FA07211
I hope this helps.-Fr. Tom Beasley+
#4
Thom, this coversation we're having today is a great example of why I love your show so much. My 17 year old son and I have been sitting here listening together and, when you spoke about your experience with the homeless person, he was riveted. He then said "Wow, that guy is really smart and he has a good heart. He's a good man." He is absolutely right!
We are definitely our brother's keeper and we must learn to take care of each other again. NOW!
Thank you Thom, for all you do! I appreciate you more every day!
#5
sad news on the surreal side of life;
Peter Bergman of the Firesign Theatre died last night of complications from leukemia. He was 72.
#6
Hello Thom and everyone,
The conversion on your show today about homelessness was fabulous and frankly looooong over due. I have lived in San Francisco for nearly 20 years, most of that time, I lived in an area where homelessness is prevailent. I've been having conversions with friends and collegues lately about the subject of homelessness and mental illness. For a couple of years I volunteered at a facility for homeless and at risk individuals. One thing I learned from speaking with the people who came to the facility where I was a volunteer, was that most of them had some form of mental illness which made it impossible for them to hold down a job and secure and maintain a place to live. When discussing this with some of my collegues at work, I came to make an extra ordinary distinction. I have been saying to people at various times that the homeless/mentally ill "need help". There is really no place for them to go to recieve treatment for their mental illness -- no support systems in place to "help" them cope or live with whatever it is that ailing them. As I was conveying this, I stopped myself and instead of using the word "help", I said, "these people need CARE". Just as someone with cancer needs care from a doctor/hospital, many, many people we consider homeless need CARE as well. My hope is this distiction of CARE vs help will spread like wildfire everywhere -- I think it could do so much in the way of changing how we look at the homeless and mentally ill.
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Thom: I don't think you have accurate knowledge of the NDAA.
Unfortunately, the blog software removed all the formatting so it looks like one long rant, it is not. The majority is the exact test from the NDAA about detention for reference. P.S. Please reply if you agree or disagree so I will know you have seen the correct information. Thom, The NDAA does not authorize military detention of US Citizens. The version of the NDAA signed by President Obama Contains this Sentence regarding military detention: (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. This is in H.R. 1540 - 266 Sec. 1022. (b) (1) To view the complete bill so you can verify this for yourselves: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf Some of the older version of the bill do not contain this langue. Also, some parts of the bill talking about military detention does not contain this provision. While there are other problems in the bill, this line completely removes military detention for US citizens. Continuing to talk about this part of the bill is a wast of time. This should be used as an example of public outcry fixing a problem. It is a victory for the freedom of speech. This is the complete text of section 1022 with line (b) (1) in bold: H. R. 1540—266 SEC. 1022. MILITARY CUSTODY FOR FOREIGN AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS. (a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.— (1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war. (2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1021 who is determined— (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1021(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1028. (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The President may waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States. (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.— (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States. (c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.— (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section. (2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows: (A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made. (B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States. (C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing interrogation.H. R. 1540—267 (D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other Government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country. (E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished. (d) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the existing criminal enforcement and national security authorities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or any other domestic law enforcement agency with regard to a covered person, regardless whether such covered person is held in military custody. (e) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.