Daily Topics - Thursday - May 20th 2010

Daily Topics - Thursday - May 20th 2010

Is Thom a Sexist Pig? Join the rumble on our message board...

Hour One - Senator Jeff Merkley www.merkley.senate.gov Will financial reform be real or lipstick on a pig?
 
Plus...Geeky Science Rocks – How do advertisers manufacture doubt?
 
Hour Two - Is BP now in charge of America?
 
Hour Three - David Frum www.frumforum.com  With Rand Paul's election & Karl Rove's new job...is the Republican party dead, replaced by shadowy corporate interests?

 

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Blue Mark
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Rand Paul talking on the

Rand Paul talking on the Rachel Maddow Show and on NPR tried to make the distinction that while his is against discrimination of any kind and supports "almost all" of the Civil Rights Act, especially against "institutional discrimination" (he apparently only counts government institutions as "institutional"), but he objects to telling private business owners who they must serve or accomodate - even though he wouldn't patronize any that did discriminate.

Of course, as a libertarian he also believes that almost all government functions should be privatized. So he is really saying that the kinds of discrimination outlawed by the Civil Rights Act should, sadly, be permitted almost everywhere.

Maxrot
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I'm beginning to think that

I'm beginning to think that the worst thing about the Bush administration is that they made the lowest common denominator so low, that even when progressives behave horribly, its excused because "well at least they aren't the Bush administration". Since when has not being the worse than the worst make it ok to be bad?

(Don't tell me it was 2008, I ain't buying it.)

Holding their feet to the fire, is pointless if you douse the fire first.

 

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Foodfascist
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Wow- thx Thom for the rumble

Wow- thx Thom for the rumble on the wage earner slave students indebt and the stats of people losing their homes. IT is as if everyone including the progressive radio hosts even how difficult it is to get by out here. I even took someone with a high profile to task the other day for subjecting us to an hour of Hollywood baloney after I put the money together for the podcast. We are trying not to complain out here however we are still miserable. I welcome the honest debate this nation needs between the far left and the far right. It is time.

By the way, wise statement of the week award goes to Eroll Lynn who said BUILD IT INTO THE COST- meaning that what you say, develop a financial system around the way we want to live and be in this society and not take a bunch of rules that work for a few and strap those rules that aren't even allowing for basic sustainablity and self-sufficiency for the rest of us.

Foodfascist
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Say- the bumper music is

Say- the bumper music is getting so good here at the Thom Hartmann Show, could you disclose this info in your Daily Newsletter. I especially would like to get a copy of 'Trun the Radio Up'- what group performs this?

Zero G
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So I've been reading Thom and

So I've been reading Thom and Lamar's Legacy of Secrecy (thanks Shawn) and I've been pleased to see some of the authors that I've referenced here included within.  Specifically, I'd point to here Carl Bernstein's THE CIA AND THE MEDIA which appeared in Rolling Stone. 

The issue is still of relevence, of course.  We only have to look to the NYTimes in the run-up to the Iraq invasion to see how.  Even today, as mothers of three hikers (two of whom were journalists) who ventured over the border from Kurdish Iraq and into Iranian jails head to Tehran, the Iranians claim they were spying...I'm not saying they were, but the history is there.  Similarly the case of Roxanne Sibery, and again, I'm not claiming she was involved in espionage, only that the history of journalists so involved exists to give ammunition to the Iranians.

The case of John Burns of the NYTimes though poses a more difficult challenge.  We might recall Saddam Hussien claiming he (Burns) was a spy and Burns denial.  Mr. Burns later recalled while sitting with Gen. Tommy Franks and GHWBush, that Mr. Bush was instrumental in getting him his job at the Times.  I used to be able to find a photo of the three of them sitting and talking, though I couldn't find the transcript.  Today, I've not been able to pull up the photo through Google....

The extreme cost of running for office these days gets funneled into the media, mostly TV for ads.

So now, as we watch the US try to scuttle the Iran/Turkey/Brazil nuclear deal, Ray McGovern (also footnoted in Legacy of Secrecy) offers us:

US/Israel Challenged on Iran

By Ray McGovern
May 19, 2010

harry ashburn
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@Foodfascist I didnt hear the

@Foodfascist I didnt hear the bumper song, but John Hartford has a song called "turn your radio on" gospel sound. I used to use it on my radio show.

Foodfascist
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Wow- Calderon asks the US to

Wow- Calderon asks the US to cooperate in stopping assault weapons! Let's hear the righties munch on that news. CNN Radio

matate99
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Thom, I have not been able to

Thom, I have not been able to listen to your whole shows this week, but have you heard about this story?

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/florida-mosque-bombed-fbi-calls-help-na...

[quote]

On May 10th, a middle-aged man carried a can of gasoline and a pipe bomb into the Jacksonville Islamic Center of Northeast Florida during evening prayers and detonated it. Fortunately, there were no injuries to people, though the bomb did damage property.

The surveillance video above gives a fairly decent picture of this man, who is clearly white, middle-aged, and on a mission.

The local news is all over it, of course. WOKV.com reports the FBI investigating it as a hate crime and possible domestic terrorism.

"It was a dangerous device, and had anybody been around it they could have been seriously injured or killed," says Special Agent James Casey. "We want to sort of emphasize the seriousness of the thing and not let people believe that this was just a match and a little bit of gasoline that was spread around."

Casey says surveillance video from the Islamic Center shows the arsonist carrying gasoline and the pipe bomb. When the explosive went off, parts of it were found 100 feet away on 9A.

So, a mosque is bombed by a white guy and the bomb isn't exactly small, but the national media sees no value in reporting it? Really? And yet, that is evidently the case.

Anti-Muslim sentiments in Florida have been bubbling to the surface, particularly after Republican Dan Fanelli's campaign commercial was aired asking if a man appearing to be from the Middle East "looked like a terrorist." According to Yahoo News, there were two other ads with even more pointed messages against Muslims:

Another ad has Fanelli saying, "This is a terrorist," as he presents a "Middle Eastern" man strapped with a "bomb" and wearing what appears to be a dish towel "turban."

Yet another ad shows two Arabic-speaking "terrorists" constructing a bomb while discussing "martyrdom" and "killing infidels." The ad also mocks long-standing due process rights such as Miranda warnings and access to lawyers.

These ads air, and a mosque is bombed. The bomb could have killed many people. To further stir the pot, this:

Last month, CAIR reported that a Muslim university professor was appointed to the Jacksonville, Fla., Human Rights Commission despite a prolonged smear campaign by the anti-Islam hate group ACT! for America, whose leader says Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office.

There's a deep pattern of anti-Islam behavior in Florida. CommonDreams.org has the list. It's a story worthy of attention by every single citizen in this country.

I did a quick Google news search. I found lots of local stories. But look what happens when I try major news sites:

FOX News: Nothing
CNN: Nothing
MSNBC: Nothing
CBS News: Nothing.

Why is that?[quote]

DRichards
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Re: Coast Guard working for

Re: Coast Guard working for BP

Reminds me of when the National Guard worked for the corporations in order to bust up the miners.

Zero G
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Coast Guard Under 'BP's

Coast Guard Under 'BP's Rules'

May 18, 2010 4:04 PM

Kelly Cobiella reports that a CBS News team was threatened with arrest by Coast Guard officials in the Gulf of Mexico who said they were acting under the authority of British Petroleum.

harry ashburn
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@Matate:you are very unlikely

@Matate:you are very unlikely to reach Thom on this blog.  I recommend checking the home page for the best way to contact Thom. :D

Zero G
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CBS reporters ought to have

CBS reporters ought to have refused to leave and forced the Coast Guard to arrest them!  Amy Goodman would have...

harry ashburn
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@Zero G Yeah! however, so

@Zero G Yeah! however, so many reporters are getting killed these days, the corp. underwriters probably won;t allow reporters to put themselves "at risk" anymore.

Maxrot
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@Zero G. I disagree, I'm

@Zero G. I disagree, I'm pretty sure Amy Goodman wouldn't have arrested those reporters. ;-)

 

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Zero G
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After blocking CBS crew,

After blocking CBS crew, Coast Guard denies ‘BP rules’

By David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Thursday, May 20th, 2010 -- 12:40 pm

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Thom, when is Obama going to turn on his corporate masters?  Don't hold your breath...

Foodfascist
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@ZeroG- yeah, when is Thom

@ZeroG- yeah, when is Thom going to have Amy G on and her new lawsuit....

harry ashburn
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that friendly bacteria is

that friendly bacteria is nothing to turn-up yer nose at!

harry ashburn
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re: Rand Paul = the man who

re: Rand Paul = the man who came to dinner

Maxrot
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Well, if Rand Paul takes a

Well, if Rand Paul takes a strong position on legalizing drugs and prostitution, who knows, maybe a lot of Democrats will vote for him. Krazy Kentuckians.

 

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Zero G
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@Foodfascist, I've

@Foodfascist,

I've self-censored my thoughts on Thom's choice of guests after being invited to leave the blog last week.  This isn't my space, I'm aware of that and do appreciate the opportunity to play in this sandbox, so...

Zero G
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Rand Paul, and his father as

Rand Paul, and his father as well, well, the thing is, is while I disagree with many of their positions about the Federal Government, the social safety net, civil rights, at least, I trust them more than most policticians.  When Rand Paul says he wouldn't enforce civil rights, I believe him!

I find don't find Hillary reassuring at all.  More reassuring than Henry the K., now that makes me sleep better, for sure!  See Ray McGovern article above for more such reassurance.

Foodfascist
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We also have MIT and

We also have MIT and Woodshole and Alvin and Jason, the crew that brought up the Titanic, Robert Ballard.

Zero G
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Breaking: FBI to post dossier

Breaking: FBI to post dossier on Sen. Edward Kennedy on “Hot Topics” website

 

J. Edgar Hoover and Teddy Kennedy

 

This just in--The public will be able to learn more about Bureau surveillance of Americans, including American politicians, next Friday. On May 28, according to information just received, the FBI will post its file on the late Edward Moore Kennedy on its “Hot Topics” website.

louisehartmann
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Food- the Bumpers are listed

Food- the Bumpers are listed in Sue's Daily Stack in the newsletter

harry ashburn
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Maybe the Mineral Management

Maybe the Mineral Management Service is scared the National Guard is going to arrest them at BP's request.

padlake
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I think BP (aka the Coast

I think BP (aka the Coast Guard)'s next plan is to run a national ad campaign targeted at recreational boaters to run their boats on floating oil in lieu of paying to fill up their gas tanks.

Maxrot
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BP won't be able to continue

BP won't be able to continue to hide the oil spill, I don't care how many people they get arrested or how much equipment they confiscate. I personally think this is perfect, the longer BP can hold off the visuals from hitting the press, the more likely this story will stay in the media and get a surge of interest once the visuals start to come in.

BP is panicking and overreaching because they're being allowed to. That's great when you're trying to win the moment, but their lack of foresight is immense as is their effort to hide their error. Think of a little kid trying to sweep the broken lamp under the rug, they feel great about it until mom and dad walk across the rug.

 

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Zero G
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@Nels, My folks would have

@Nels,

My folks would have noted the missing lamp long before walking over the rug.

mstaggerlee
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I think we are seeing signs

I think we are seeing signs of the financial crisis beginning to strike pretty hard at the previously prosperous portions of the Northeast.  I work in Bergen County NJ, which is mostly composed of bedroom communities for NY city.  This has traditionally been a fairly peaceful, affluent area, where many residents felt safe enough to leave their cars and homes unlocked overnight.

Over the past few weeks, I've been hearing reports of numerous residential break-ins, thefts of cash, jewelery, houeshold property and cars, in several of these communities.  According to local police, towns that used to see about one "crime" a week are now experiencing several daily.

As more and more Americans become less and less financially secure, are they turning to crime as their means of support?

Zero G
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Ah, the beauty of the

Ah, the beauty of the corporate fawning media...the traffic segment on L.A.'s KTLK just noted that the Wilshire Blvd. exit of the 405 is closed because of "some kind of demonstration at the Wilshire Federal Building."

Maxrot
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@Zero G. they'd probably note

@Zero G. they'd probably note the lumpy rug prior to walking over it too, but if it was night time, and the lamp was the only source of light for the room, perhaps it couldn't be noticed until walking over it... Its a moot point though, basically what I was saying is one way or another its going to be found out.

 

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Blue Mark
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What do you call a

What do you call a "libertarian" who is against choice, has no problem with much of the police state, and is in favor of allowing corporate power over citizens?  Libauthoritarian?

mstaggerlee
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C'mon, Harry - the MMS is

C'mon, Harry - the MMS is BP's bestest buddy!  They party together - they snort coke together - BP officials have sex with MMS staffers.  You have to be pretty desperate to have your procurer arrested, and somehow I don't think that BP is quite there - YET!

Maxrot
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re Thom's question before the

re Thom's question before the break, about will Rand Paul bring down the Republican party, will BP bring down the Obama Administration, will the Banksters win?

In politics, battles are won, then fought again, the political war never ends.

 

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Zero G
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Uh, this just in...(Peter

Uh, this just in...(Peter Dale Scott also well noted in Legacy of Secrecy)

harry ashburn
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@Foodfascist: but is MMS sure

@Foodfascist: but is MMS sure that BP will be their BFF?

mstaggerlee
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@harry - that wasn't foody -

@harry - that wasn't foody - that was ME!

Foodfascist
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Yeah Harry- quit picking on

Yeah Harry- quit picking on me! :)

harry ashburn
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so sorry, mstaggerlee. did

so sorry, mstaggerlee. did you know on one version, "staggerlee" the song is called "Mrs. DeLion's Lament"?  (Ms. DeLion was the victim's mother).

harry ashburn
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dear foodfascist so sorry,

dear foodfascist so sorry, when i was a kid, my mom always admonished me not to pick at my food....so.....

Zero G
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Spanish Judge Accused of

Spanish Judge Accused of Establishing the History of Atrocities committed by the Franco Dictatorship


by Ignacio Ramonet In any case, Garzon has shown himself to be a rebel judge, independent and incorruptible. It is because of this that he has accumulated so many adversaries and now finds himself persecuted by those involved in "Gurtel[1]" matter and the heirs of Francoism.

There are in fact three charges pending against him in the Supreme Court, one regarding fees he received for conferences he spoke at in New York sponsored by Banco Santander. Another regards wiretaps ordered for the investigation of the "Gurtel" network. The main accusation involves the investigation of the crimes of Francoism.

Two ultraconservative organisations have accused him of "prevarication[2]" for having initiated in October 2008 an investigation into the disappearance during the Spanish Civil War of more than 100,000 republicans (whose bodies lie in unmarked ditches, denied a dignified burial) and the destiny of 30,000 children taken from their mothers in prison [3] and given to families on the side of the victors during the dictatorship (1939-1975).

Zero G
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@Harry David Bromberg -

@Harry

David Bromberg - Reckless Abandon

Maxrot
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Zero G. here's a link about

Zero G. here's a link about that "some sort of protest" you mentioned earlier on Wilshire Blvd.

 

http://laist.com/2010/05/20/dream_act_protest_seveerely_congest.php

 

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harry ashburn
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@Zero g Yeah. Bromberg's

@Zero g Yeah. Bromberg's cool. I suspect Ry Cooder's on it. I admire bromberg for quitting performing in the '80's and going to luthier school to make musical instruments.

Zero G
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@Harry Well, I remember being

@Harry

Well, I remember being somewhat sad when David quit the stage, but yeah.  And at the risk of being called a sexist pig myself, I also remember Jerry on David's Sharon,

You know the same rowdy crowd that was here last night is back again. ...

harry ashburn
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@zero g: jerry garcia or

@zero g: jerry garcia or lewis?

Zero G
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Never heard Jerry Lewis play

Never heard Jerry Lewis play guitar, I know that Groucho Marx played, though. 

She went, (Jerry riff) and then she went (jerry riff)....

harry ashburn
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Jerry Lewis did lead an

Jerry Lewis did lead an orchestra, though a phantom one, in a few of his movies....

Zero G
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@Nels, My only issue with the

@Nels,

My only issue with the Dream Act is its funneling the kids looking for citizenship through the military.

harry ashburn
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yeah that sux

yeah that sux