The American people have spoken – and it’s time Republicans AND Democrats listen

The American people have spoken – and it’s time Republicans AND Democrats listen

The American people have spoken – and it’s time Republicans AND Democrats listen. According to a new ABC/Washington Post poll – 62% of Americans want to see a balanced approach to raising the debt-limit that includes both spending cuts and revenue raisers. And when it comes to what sort of revenue raisers the American people want to see – the Republicans’ heads are about to explode. A whopping 72% of Americans support raising taxes on people who make more than $250,000 a year.

Only 27% oppose. Not only that – large majorities of Americans also support: raising the Social Security tax cap – closing the hedge fund manager tax loophole – and cutting off taxpayer subsidies for big oil corporations. So why is it that President Obama is supporting the Gang of 6 plan that includes none of these reforms – and instead cuts $1,300 a year out of Social Security checks – and further lowers taxes for millionaires, billionaires, and corporations?

Maybe we were all fooled – and President Obama really is just the best Republican President in the last 50 years.

Comments

Lore's picture
Lore 3 years 21 weeks ago
#1

Tell the Republicans they have three choices:

1. Raise the Debt Ceiling

2. Vote for the Progressive Caucus Plan

3. Default and trash the USA -- a treasonous act since they took an oath of office!

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DRichards 3 years 21 weeks ago
#2

Re: Maybe we were all fooled – and President Obama really is just the best Republican President in the last 50 years.

It seems to me that the far right not only took over the republican party, they have taken over the democratic party as well.

A friend of mine reminded me that Clinton said "We are now all Eisenhower republicans". It also seems to me that In effect, Clinton was saying the democratic party was now a branch of the republican party.

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ymhotep 3 years 21 weeks ago
#3

So the fascist government in Israel has passed a law making it illegal for anyone to boycott or to suggest a boycott of Israel or Israeli companies. Yet.....yet Israel believes that it is perfectly acceptable to boycott Iran or anyone else that they don't like. There is something fundamentally wrong with the collective Israeli psyche. Peace

Lore's picture
Lore 3 years 21 weeks ago
#4

I need to modify my own post. 'Tell the Republicans they have' should be replaced with 'Tell the Presdent and Congress that Americans want them to vote for one of'

So the choices are for all those involved to support Americans!

Lore's picture
Lore 3 years 21 weeks ago
#5

ALEC is the facist 'rule' in place in America! It allows the pre-vote of corporations before legislation is presented in Congress.

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shirlstars 3 years 21 weeks ago
#6

What if, knowing that the Republicans will be against anything the president supports, that is why the Pres is approving of the gang of 6 offerin? That way he looks like he is willing to negotiate, yet the Republicans will stubbornly refuse to agree to anything he agrees to.

Just a thought

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DRichards 3 years 21 weeks ago
#7

Re: What if

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Obama and his friends know the left believes they have no where else to go, and they frankly could care less.

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ymhotep 3 years 21 weeks ago
#8

Rupert's propaganda machine was instrumental in building the support required in the USA and UK to allow Bush and Blair to fight their illegal war in Iraq. In hindsight it was a Murdoch/FOX war. Peace

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KennyBunkport 3 years 21 weeks ago
#10

A modest proposal -

Given that the Tea Partiers oppose "wealth redistribution" and given that much of the federal tax wealth is re-distributed from the wealthier Blue states to the poorer Red states, let's add a restriction to the current negotiations that requires that federal funds are distributed in proportion to their collection. Let's make the tea partiers put their money where their mouth's are.

And let's give it an apple-pie name like: "The Ending Unfair Wealth Redistribution Act"

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#11

Obama is jackbooting working Americans in their faces.

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#12

Dear God, please raise our country up more than she can be!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYrt9ymTRo

gerald's picture
gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#13

Dear God, please give our country one more chance!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydBPm2KRaU&ob=av2e

DrRichard 3 years 21 weeks ago
#14

I wouldn't say he's a Republican, but my 97 year old mother may well have been right when she said he was cool and detached. The way I see it, in 2008 America wanted a Captain Kirk. Someone of action who would take big steps to turn this country around. Instead we got a Mr. Spock. This is a man who mistakenly thinks logic and reason can win emotionally-based arguments.

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GaryGreen 3 years 21 weeks ago
#15

#1: Is there anyway I can block this Gerald idiot so I don't see his posts anymore?

#2: The abusive Repubs and their abused Dems, in their codependent soap opera farce, will only forward the corporate agenda, not the public agenda. Nothing will be done for people, only corporate profit and rich ego matter.

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dannahancock23 3 years 21 weeks ago
#16

Wow, did you express this well! Thanks. I also wonder why the Progressive Caucus budget is not getting more press. It has the endorsement of so many respected and diverse individuals/organizations. Hey Thom, I know your listening.

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Jimspy 3 years 21 weeks ago
#17

Don't laugh too hard, Tom. I've been wondering lately if Obama really is a Manchurian Candidate...from the other side of the aisle!

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2020Whalen 3 years 21 weeks ago
#18

I've been saying for years that Clinton was the best Republican since Eisenhower and if the above quote is right, I am the least suprised guy in the room.

Both parties are selling us down the river. Obama could have stopped all this bs years ago by consistently trashing the Bush /Cheney Presidency . He should have had an attack dog threatning to arrest the two lying bastards. That would have kept the Republicans at bay and prevented them from taking over Congress at the mid term election.

As I said before the Obama election of 08 on my now world famous bumper sticker

"Salt and Pepper

or Vinagar and Crackers"

we loose both ways.

Sorry, but I told you so

2020Whalen

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2950-10K 3 years 21 weeks ago
#19

This independent has never voted republican and never will, however if Obama and the Democrats cut one single social program and give in to O tax increases on the rich, I swear I'll vote Green Party from now until the grave. UNLESS

How about a Sanders/ Spitzer ticket?

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dotymed 3 years 21 weeks ago
#20

I have always said that Bill Clinton was our best Republican president in my lifetime. I definitely think that Barack Obama has him beat. We the American people, are obviously better able to agree than the corporate politicians. That really does scare them. If only we will get a Candidate and a majority to agree to the basic steps necessary for average Americans ( the vast majority) to thrive. Then WE can primary him/her. We must find a basic cohesiveness and a will to rally. We can agree on the important things. Please lets "get rid of the bums" and build upon that. No more money in politics is a great start and our best chance.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#21

2950-10k: I'm with you, I'll vote Green! Now if we can get all of those other Americans that are really, really ticked off about the corrupt one-party (Republican/Democrat--Republocrats?) having ruined our country then we might actually be able to change things in our favor...for a change. It would show these rich people that money can't buy everything...even the Presidency. They'll blast us with flashy eye-candy ads and propaganda to frighten us...as they have been anyway...but it'll be more concentrated as we near election time. We have to stand firm on not voting for either Republican or Democrat...even if it risks that a Republican can get into office if people chicken out and fall for the Democrat psy-ops propaganda. I can't imagine that any hard working American or, especially now, retirees will vote for either Republican or Obama the faux Democrat.

Maybe we really do need to have a nationwide boycott....it is really ticking of Israel...and they are getting desperate...and my suggestions of a boycott in this country seems to be making some people nervous as well...

So, as I said in yesterday's blog...why not put the hurt on all of those masses of businesses who have sided with those who want to destroy our social programs...the Republicanistas? One way to do that would be to buy all of your products at....Walmart? Walmart is the largest employer and the probably the worst exploiter and also would likely love to see social security be destroyed...so why buy only from them? Because people are already buying largely from them because their prices are usually cheaper and because even though they are huge...they are really tiny compared to all of those other merchants who are probably Republican...or at least want to see the tax burden shifted off them onto their consumers and are probably also for sacking the social insurance programs. So let's put the hurt on the majority of our enemies (they started the class war...we didn't!). We would be using one of theirs against the rest. And lastly, we have to buy necessary things from someone anyway...just shift and concentrate your money away from those masses of Republican business owners who are screwing you.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#22

"Maybe we were all fooled – and President Obama really is just the best Republican President in the last 50 years."

Right on, Mr. Hartmann, Right on!!

I truly wish it wasn't so but how many times do you have to kick a dog before that dog realizes his master is not his friend. Obama may be owned by his masters but the rest of can see what is plain as day that he is being used in the class war against the majority of Americans. Wouldn't it really be something if Obama surprises us all and decides not to seek reelection?

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pegsutton 3 years 21 weeks ago
#23

Best darn suggestion in a long, long time!!! I would vote for Sanders/Spitzer in a heartbeat!!!!

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#24

Gary Green: Can't we all just....get along? I'm an atheist and I can take it. Gerald is not our enemy...we have one very important thing in common...we are on the same side of the class war that is being waged against us.

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levin.the.dude 3 years 21 weeks ago
#25

Thom,

The fact of the matter is that Obama is just complying with his constituents demands, his constituents, of course, not being the American people. It's no secret that corporations run the show, they have for a long time in this country. The citizens of this nation are not all as stupid as what these politicians (democrat or republican...they both take the same ball of $#!+ and wrap it in different color paper) would have us believe. We have been slow to respond because our standard of living has not been compromised for too many--for now anyways. But if these politicians continue to have their eyes down on us with their hands up to the owners of this country I think we will have a serious crisis on our hands. People are becoming fed up. I know many patriotic military service members (WWII to Afghanistan), many being in my family, who have never questioned their government before start to become skeptical about what it is they're hearing. I know teachers, business owners, professionals, general laborers, most who didn't care about politics before but are most defiantly good Americans, who are becoming fed up with being lied to, treated like an idiot, and talked down to. Obama was right, we will have change, it's just probably not what any of us were expecting. Such is life.

--I hope one day we will recognize our common bond of being human.

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levin.the.dude 3 years 21 weeks ago
#26

The history of this country has been nothing but class war. The politicians (R or D) are all playing to their constituents, and so we must defend both. They've been good about keeping us happy by providing us with false promises. However, capitalism is cannibalistic in nature, it is like an addict who will do anything for that next fix. Apparently, many wells have run dry and now they're after the retirement money! What the people of this country (not GE or Verizon, etc...) pay for with tax money. Boycott is a great idea, but much more will have to happen in order to get satisfying results like: health care for all, the end to our oversea wars, the end to the drug war, a fully functioning and vibrant education system, and a home (Earth) that is safe and clean and can provide life and joy to the generations to come. But, like I said, this is going to have to be a struggle for the history books.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#27

Use the system against them...a kind of leveraging. It is THEIR corrupted system that allows for mega-corporations, and too big to fail institutions, so let's use their system against them and buy only from the biggest mega-corporations (which in reality is, owner-wise, much, much smaller than the totality of all of the other millions of other businesses who are owned by, most likely, an overwhelming majority of Republicans. Make them, them majority of smaller business owners suffer for their pro-capitalist/anti-worker proclivities. You see they want your business but they don't want you to know that they are really working against your best interests in supporting Republican ideals. They don't put up signs in front of their establishments saying that they are Republicans, hate progressives, and want to shift the tax burden on to you, and want to destroy the social programs like social security....but they should...and if they did...would you buy from them anyway?

If we can put the hurt on all of those millions of Republican-leaning smaller business owners...we can send a very strong message that might actually make a big difference in the way this country, and the world, is headed. Maybe it should be a world-wide boycott.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#28

The idea just occurred to me that...what if Obama really is...on our side...and his big master plan is to go along with the Republicans..knowing that it will lead to such ticked off people that they will be compelled to even riot in the streets and, perhaps, start boycotting or doing something more active than just voting every 4 years and complaining. This may be giving Obama way too much credit...but it would be pretty devious and brilliant IF the alternative way of butting heads with the Repubs all these years would not have gained much. But, aside from that flight of fancy, I digress back into my original beliefs which seems to be what a lot of people are starting to believe...that Obama has just been selling us out.

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dannahancock23 3 years 21 weeks ago
#29

I'm feeling really beat up. If I had not received the torch of advocacy from the first generation of women with the right to vote, I might just throw in the towell, and enjoy the rest of the summer in ignorant bliss. I havn't been this frustrated and angry since the build up to the Iraq war. Wow, and we progressives were on the right side of history there too. Anyway, come to find out there's a name for this psycho-torture:

from “KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation” (CIA torture guide) dated July 1963:

The aim of the Alice in Wonderland or confusion technique is to confound the expectations and conditioned reactions of the interrogatee. He is accustomed to a world that makes some sense, at least to him: a world of continuity and logic, a predictable world. He clings to this world to reinforce his identity and powers of resistance.

The confusion technique is designed not only to obliterate the familiar but to replace it with the weird. Although this method can be employed by a single interrogator, it is better adapted to use by two or three. When the subject enters the room, the first interrogator asks a doubletalk question — one which seems straightforward but is essentially nonsensical. Whether the interrogatee tries to answer or not, the second interrogator follows up (interrupting any attempted response) with a wholly unrelated and equally illogical query. Sometimes two or more questions are asked simultaneously. Pitch, tone, and volume of the interrogators’ voices are unrelated to the import of the questions. No pattern of questions and answers is permitted to develop, nor do the questions themselves relate logically to each other. In this strange atmosphere the subject finds that the pattern of speech and thought which he has learned to consider normal have been replaced by an eerie meaninglessness. The interrogatee may start laughing or refuse to take the situation seriously. But as the process continues, day after day if necessary, the subject begins to try to make sense of the situation, which becomes mentally intolerable. Now he is likely to make significant admissions, or even to pour out his story, just to stop the flow of babble which assails him. This technique may be especially effective with the orderly, obstinate type.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#30

levin.the.dude: ". Boycott is a great idea, but much more will have to happen"
Agreed...but you gotta start somewhere...and without getting into too much violence...in fact, none at all...a boycott is a lot better than just complaining. It is doing something that puts the visceral hurt on the people who are hurting us.

I agree that they have tried to keep us all happy and entertained (diverted)...the Romans used to keep their people diverted from their problems by throwing people to the lions in the Colosseum and Gladiators killing each other in the arena. Maybe our ruling elite will get around to that sooner or later as well. Nothing like watching someones bowels being ripped apart by a lion to make you forget about your little problems...like hunger...or where you will find shelter for the night. But I guess Nancy Grace will have to do for now!

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#31

I'll confess...I'll tell you anything you want to know....just don't hurt me!

dannahancock23: Thanks for that information. For anyone else interested...here's a web site with that study/report...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB27/01-01.htm

Maybe we all should read this because...who knows what is in store for us? But I also wonder if they haven't already been doing a lot of this on our airwaves over the years...covertly..subliminally!

Ever try to hear and understand everything that is being said in a debate or panel discussion where people are always talking over one another? That is torture enough...and confusing! Remember some of the torture techniques we heard about in Gitmo or the US Torture chambers in Iraq...where they would do these things...like blast you 24 hours a day with loud rock music...changing frequencies and other sound effects. They did this with Noriega in that Church in Panama. And then there is the Good Cop Bad Cop ploy where the Bad Cop roughs you up (at least verbally) and then the Good Cop comes in and pretends to be nice and understanding...the cops end up getting what they wanted...a confession (maybe). That's what I think the whole charade of the two party system is...the Republicans and the Democrats are really both working for the same wealthy powers and we, the voters, are "roughed up" by the Republicans then when our heads are about to explode and ready to rebel...they feed us the lie, the hope, that the Democrats will save us. But of course, they don't...and the wealthy get what they want anyway...only slower...and without massive violent rebellion. What a slick operation! But it's not working for them anymore...at least, I hope, people are starting to see it.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#32

Al-Kubra wa Al-feel (The Lark and the Elephant)
from an ancient Persian Tale:
One day an Elephant, thinking he was so big and powerful that he ruled without question, trod down a path not particularly watching where he was going. As he often staggered off the path, he managed to destroy the little animals and birds that he couldn't help stepping on. He didn't care because he was king and he was heartless as the little things cried out in agony.

Every day he would take this path to the watering hole and along the way he carelessly stepped on other little birds and animals.

One day he stepped on the nest of a mother lark who had laid her newly hatched eggs in with cheeping little ones awaiting the mother's return to feed them.

The horrified mother Lark was horrified and really, really ticked off and began making her plans to do something about this lumbering, arrogant, murdering bastard of an elephant. She called all the animals and birds together and they made their plans.

The next day, they were ready. As the elephant came down the path, the crows launched their attack..and pecked out his eyes blinding him. The elephant continued down the path and thinking he was at the water hole, because the frogs had been stationed around the hole rather than the pond, fell into a deep hole dug by the beavers and gophers. The Lark flew over and spoke to the Elephant...you thought you were too big and powerful and that we were too weak...what do you think now, Mr. Elephant?

The moral of the story...You are really not too big to fail! Just look at Rupert Murdoch now! Let's do the same thing to those who believe they are too big to fail. But lets first use one that thinks it is too big to fail as a tool to squash those other right-wing businesses. Yes, it will certainly help Walmart, in the short term, till the laws are brought back and enforced... which will eventually force even Walmart to comply.

Well, that was a kind of bastardized version from what I could remember. The actual story is part of a larger work of ancient related Persian and/or Indian tales (Panchatantra) that found it's way into Arabic literature in the Tales of Kalila wa Dimna that are recursive in nature...IE: one tale seems to lead to another and then makes references back to previous characters in previous tales...tales within tales. Found a copy.
Here's a more accurate version:
http://www.sunna.info/Lessons/islam_1353.html

Lonnie819 3 years 21 weeks ago
#33

Wake up Congress !!! The American middle class is not as stupid as you think it is. We know far better than you what is in the best interest of America. If you oould just once stand up for the American people, instead of bowing to your corporate masters, some of the stench associated with American politicians would be lifted.

If we would all vote against the incumbent in every house and senate race in 2012, we could change the face of American government.

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2950-10K 3 years 21 weeks ago
#34

Palindromedary: Due to the intense heat I delayed my after work-workout and was briefly online early hoping it would cool down.....notttttt.....anyway I survived! I like your boycott idea and would also encourage everyone if they have any savings or equitys to deposit into local nonprofit credit unions.

What about organizing more recalls across the country? I'm thinking about getting a group together to run a big ad in the local paper to expose how my tea-bag rep "Hanna" has voted against all of our best interests and then try to get a recall going as soon it's possible to do it. I wish I had more time, I really think thats one factor that really helps the rich guys, they know most of us working people are too busy to fight back.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#35

2950-10k: That's an excellent idea about the local nonprofit credit unions. I don't think they are FDIC insured and have their own kind of insurance...but it is certainly worthwhile to check it out. I really don't think FDIC insurance is worth spit anyway..if many banks go under...and I think they will sometime soon. But I keep thinking about the Savings and Loan scandals not that they have anything to do with Credit Unions. I don't know if it would be safer to just bury your money or keep it under a mattress....and hope no one does a home-invasion robbery...or burglarizes you when you are away. And if we did that....pull our money out of any of the institutions en masse...the government would probably declare our green-backs worthless because they will print a new style and unless we act by a certain date to put our money back into the system we lose anyway. Of course a run on the banks would be terrible but if you can't trust the government (FDIC) ? ...they have certainly given us good reason not to trust them!

And not only not having more time...working people have to be rather covert about their feelings and beliefs and activities. Employers everywhere are spying like crazy on their employees...hiring companies to check out what their employees are saying on line and on the social media.

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David Abbot 3 years 21 weeks ago
#36

Yeah, I think Obama is playing chess while the republicans play checkers. Problem is, Obama is playing chess against US, not against the republicans. The problem is, if he finishes this game and screws us out of social security, medicare, and medicaid, how many Americans will ever trust the government again? How many people will quit voting democrat? Lots. And how many of the people who quit voting democrat, will vote republican? Almost none, because the republicans are clinically insane. So, where does that leave us? What choices are they leaving us? Starve to death while being homeless and sick and not able to afford medical care or drugs? That sounds like a good option for loyal, patriotic Americans. The rich can watch us die on tv, from their gated communities. That should amuse them.

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#37

Non-elected persons are bringing down our country. Who are these persons - Norquist, the five Mafiosos on the Supreme Court, the Military-Industrial Complex, and the Koch Brothers as examples. If these persons read the New Testatment of the Holy Bible, we and the country would be better off. Here are two chapters and verses that need to be embedded in the American brain - Matthew 25: 31-46 and Matthew 5: 1-12.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/fast-fix/fast-fix-grover-norquist-effect-debt-ceiling-234453212.html

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#38
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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#39

Palindromedary is right about class warfare. I would like to say class battles because the winners of the class war will be undecided until Judgment Day. To the winners the prize will be Heaven.

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#40

Here is one of the Beatitudes.

Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven. Is my life on this earth focused on the life to come?

Hopefully, born again Christians may want to read the Bible more carefully.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#42

Liar's Poker, maybe!

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2950-10K 3 years 21 weeks ago
#43

Palindromedary: I'm pretty sure local credit unions are all FDIC insured, mine certainly is.

A quick thought, Do you think Obama is acting like he has done something naughty that someone on the other side is threatening to expose! Try to have a good day...... I gotta get to work!

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#44

The State of Florida must have very stupid people. The Orlando district let this man go from public office.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/how-to-save-2-trillion_b_905066.html

He is a man for all seasons with ideas!

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#45

I wanted only to love my country. When we speak to God, do we always say "someday?"

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_6682/alan-jackson/tpx_1159509

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#46

For answers to our problems we need to turn our eyes upon Jesus!

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_6682/alan-jackson/tpx_1158430

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gerald 3 years 21 weeks ago
#47

People are free to call me what they want to call me! What is most important to me is what I call myself. I am a progressive, a Democratic Socialist, and a Jesus liberal. When I read the New Testament of the Holy Bible, the reading solidifies my belief that Jesus was a liberal and a progressive. Jesus came upon earth to be a role model for you and for me.

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Palindromedary 3 years 21 weeks ago
#48

2959-10k: Just don't know, of course, until it comes out...if it ever does...or if there is anything to come out. Most people are not without fault for something that others are very ready and willing to condemn. There are not too many people who can be the Jesus-like cult figure of perfection that is expected of a politician. In the US, as in a lot of Levant-inspired or leaning countries where guilt is a big part of their mentality, the bar is set pretty low for what is acceptable and what is not. But then this creates many hypocrites who seem to relish condemning others for things they also do..or can't do...or are too meek to do themselves..and are jealous of those who have...but then relish that those who have...are going to burn in hell. It is quite unfortunate, however, in my view, that our attention is diverted so much by these high-expectations...but once the guilt or shame mechanism is used by one side it is bound to be used by all the other sides without end. Some people are more relativist but still, out of self preservation, are forced to into the more moralistic public facade. Look at what happened with Bill Clinton....Many of us progressives are not happy that he buckled under to the Republicans in the Glass-Steagall repeal...but many of us were/are not so condemning for his sexual actions.

The Republicans, big hypocrites that they are, made such a fuss that they managed to trumpet pornography-like news media to many younger ears that they, under other circumstances, had someone else done it, would have burned anyone to a stake for having done the same thing.

There's a lot of seething, tempestuous, hatreds and condemnations afoot by a lot of small-minded, moralistic, quid nuncs who get their jollies by ruining other people. I know I get mine every time I fantasize Bush being convicted of War Crimes...but then being responsible for the mass murder of so many people by lying us into a needless and illegal war, and the deprivation of masses of fellow Americans by wrecking the economy is far, far greater crime than some little sexual tryst in the White House...which really wasn't a "crime" at all.

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SolonVet 3 years 21 weeks ago
#49

What really slays me is the persistence with which some conservatives demand cutting spending while we are mired in two wars their guy got us into. The prosecutions are costing us trillions of dollars. And yet, along with the demand that we cut spending which in my mind is just a continuance of even more war on the poor, the disabled, the elderly, and the unemployed and underemployed, they provide no evidence whatsoever that they even acknowledge that it was precisely because of their enthusiastic willingness to squander a surplus and then spend money that we didn't have on the military industrial complex to support "their" wars that put us in this position in the first place. No, they blame Obama for not fixing the problems they created and for which they have no other solution than to cut spending, as if they had nothing whatsoever to do with the circumstances we face. Balderdash!!

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Sedwin 3 years 21 weeks ago
#50

I am through with Obama. It is true that I define myself as a Social Democrat, however I am fiscally conservative, with several viewpoints that are center and even right of center. In other words, I am well educated, thoughtful, well informed and I verify my facts unlike many from the other side.

That being said from the very beginning I have been cautious and concerned regarding Obama due to early remarks he made when he was running back in 2007 like that he greatly admired Ronald Reagan; specifically he admired his framework for cutting the government that had grown too large and unaccountable. Of course for progressives and liberals and most real economists around the world we all know that Ronald Reagan's approach which has been carried out now for about 30 years has been a disaster for the majority of the population of this country and the world. This is not the first time we (and many others), have tried this ridiculous theory, (this theory was responsible for the Panic of 1896 to name just one), and all real economists and businessmen know that to make profits one has to have customers with MONEY TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS. Unfortunately every society, once mature, gets an upper class that is both greedy and incompetent and ultimately either becomes responsible for the societies destruction or for civil war/revolution. This was exactly the case with our country and England and now we are right back in the same situation again.

Obama has said most of the right things in this debt ceiling farce like the Bush tax cuts need to expire as was promised by the Republicans when they originally passed them (a vow incidentally they made to the American people but they have no problem breaking as opposed to the vow the made to one man, Norquest, who they hold MORE IMPORTANT and above ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS COMBINED evidentally). But Obama has (like his "Idol" Reagan wanted to cut the social safety net which as I stated above is the WRONG thing to do in this and any economy since if people have less money they cannot buy products from business and business fails. Econ 101. But cutting the safety net in not what the population, the majority wants. We are a Democracy and therefore even more than other governmental systems the politicians are supposed to do what the majority wants or at least what is best for the majority. But both parties are no longer nor have they been for some time serving the interests of the people. They are instead serving the corporations and their Board Members which is the true & original definition of Fascism. This government, judicial branch, media giants, corporate giants, law enforcement, attorney generals, insurance companies, banking systems etc., are unbelievably corrupt. We the people have no voice. Our leaders do not listen to us. Our leaders do not prosecute themselves nor their corporate counter-parts for their many crimes. Our media consistently misleads or outright lies. The corporations do not pay taxes but consistently tell us they're paying "too much." The rich keep telling us they need to pay less and get more so they can give us more jobs and pay and benefits when all those things have been consistently decreasing for 30 years for us (98%) but increasing for them.

Obama promised to but hasn't: stopped the Iraq & Afganistan wars; closed Guantanamo Bay; stopped the Bush Tax Cuts: Stopped CIA Rendition; protected Social Security, Medicare, Medicade; got us Single Payer; Protected low medical insurance costs; stopped the highly illegal Patriot Act; protected Insurance payments (ERISA legislation has been rendered completely lame by new legislation that allows insurance companies to stop any payments for any reason and even a jury or a judges decision is not enough to override the Insurance Companies decisions); has not prosecuted ANY bankers, mortgage companies, politicians, oil companies, coal companies, media companies, politicians, judges, just to name a few of the many clearly corrupt, criminal "entities" that have surfaced over the last 3 years.

Obama is no better, in fact, I argue he may be worse than Bush due to the fact that many think he his fighting for them he just always somehow fails to deliver at the last minute. It is time for thoughtful Progressives to organize a third party. The Democrats are only Republican "lite." They are just as corrupt as the other party just not as obvious. This country needs to be completely overhauled NOW. In a decade or two the infrastructure of this country will be that of a third world country and is already there in some cases. But the Republicans, Democrats & Corporate Leadership are intent on ensuring that 85% -90% of this country are impoverished which means there will be zero funds to rebuild the infrastructure which is what we should be doing NOW. Do you think these greedy, incompetent, rich, upper class "non-leaders" who are stealing us blind now and raking in record profits but refusing to pay a single dollar in taxes are going to start magically paying in ten or twenty years when our bridges, roads, and electrical systems are failing? No. they will simply move their business' to a more profitable country.

The Death of the Middle Class was by Design...

Even in the face of the so-called Recovery, poverty and inequality are getting worse in our country, and more wealth and power is flowing straight to the top. According to Paul Buchheit over at Alternet, this is the end result of winner-take-all capitalism, and this destruction of the working class has all been by design.

From Unequal Protection, 2nd Edition:
"If you wonder why and when giant corporations got the power to reign supreme over us, here’s the story."
Jim Hightower, national radio commentator and author of Swim Against the Current
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"Through compelling personal stories, Hartmann presents a dramatic and deeply disturbing picture of humans as a profoundly troubled species. Hope lies in his inspiring vision of our enormous unrealized potential and his description of the path to its realization."
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From Cracking the Code:
"In Cracking the Code, Thom Hartmann, America’s most popular, informed, and articulate progressive talk show host and political analyst, tells us what makes humans vulnerable to unscrupulous propagandists and what we can do about it. It is essential reading for all Americans who are fed up with right-wing extremists manipulating our minds and politics to promote agendas contrary to our core values and interests."
David C. Korten, author of The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community and When Corporations Rule the World and board chair of YES! magazine