Rick:

As I pointed out before in a post some time ago, that "pilot program" was stopped in a spending bill last year, a token move to appease unions. Mexico claims that its trucks and drivers are just as safe as their Canadian counterparts, but in any case I think this is simply a case of the prejudices Americans have toward Mexicans and not Canadians, for reasons that should be quite obvious.

@Nels - You can probably ad Sherrod Brown to the list. His book "Myths of Free Trade" lauds the importance of tarrifs.

I think the real reason that Rush wants to go to Costa Rica is so he can get his detox/rehab for FREE under their socialized medical system.

Well Charles that brings it up to 4 congress members, quadrupling what Thom gave us to start with.

I'll send Mr. Brown a note too (already sent one to Mr. Franken)

Nels:

Like I pointed out last week, NAFTA is the closest thing to a "fair trade" policy we have in the world. Save for exceptions that I noted that benefit the U.S., the effects of NAFTA represent the "real world" of free trade. The differences in the effect on each of the countries involved has more to do with the capacity of each to absorb imports. Some of these effects benefit the U.S., others do not, and this is true for Mexico and Canada. The real trade issues we have is with the countries we freely import from, but place barriers to our exports.

Hi Mark,
Thanks, didn't know when the pilot program ended.
I don't doubt what you say as the motivation behind lots of this. Technical specs have long been a tool for back-door protectionism.. this bolt is approved.. this one isn't... make the process onerous enough on all the minor bits and you have excluded foreign products.
I don't know the whole story, but I wonder if just the basic thing that companies based in Mexico, like 'Liberian-registered ships', would likely undercut US shippers, could be the basic argument against it by the unions etc.?
Cheers,
Rick

It goes without saying I find Dennis Kucinich admirable. I do not believe he should be made the scapegoat of killing healthcare reform. He is standing behind the principals he has espoused since entering Congress, Medicare for all. Rightly, he has called out the Senate bill as the insurance industry handout it is. He is looking out for the best interest of the poor and middle-class. There are 215 other Dems that can vote to pass the bill.

Now Bart Stupak is another story. Pulling together a small group to hold the bill hostage for the sake of banning abortion.

NAFTA is often used to mean more than the specific trade deal for which the anacronym stands...

...just so's people don't talk past each other.

legalizing Hemp will be a challenge from the oil industy as they would loose money from 1. farming, there would be no ned to fertilize or pestiside the crops. 2.the industrial lubricants that would be prduced, would directly compete with parolium products, 3. all of the other biodegradable plastic like products that could be made. and the list goes on. then the pharmasutical industry....

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Thanks Charles,

We tend, all of us, to be less than precise in our use of language, sometimes. Definition of terms is essential for effective communication. We all learned that, but in math class, not creative writing...

@harry,

In common usage, NAFTA has taken on the aspect of Xerox, once a specific company, now "to xerox" means to make a copy with any machine.

Of course, Xerox is still a specific company, and NAFTA is still a specific agreement.

Passing Health Care will cause the RECONCILAPOCALYPSE?

War between the GOP and the rest of America!
Famine - health insurance companies may starve!
Disease - because health care makes you sick!
Pestilence - Rush Limbaugh will flee to Costa Rica!!!

I'm so tired of "good points" that are really bad ones. The value of our exports to the NAFTA countries are about 75 percent of imports, compared to 20 percent with China. It is also interesting to note that our imports from Canada totaled $339 billion in 2008, compared to $215 billion from Mexico. Frankly, it was never my wish to defend NAFTA; I just find it intensely hypocritical to scapegoat it for our trade problems.

Nels:

Don't kid me. It tires me when people deliberately wear blinders to the outside world. You may claim to be free of prejudice, but does that mean it doesn't exist, and the search for scapegoats doesn't motivate many people? Now who is being naive here?

re: NAFTA: Well, NAFTA isn't all bad; We get a lot of our legal drugs from Canada, and illegal ones from Mexico.

"Hershey Bars Protest" - newspaper headline from leftwingwierdo.com

The progressive tax system is a fair tax system. Where our system goes wrong is all income is not treated fairly to the benefit of a tiny minority.

Excellent point Thom, I'd like to see the defense budget cut way back myself. Too much money is wasted on hi-tech weapon systems.

@Nels - scrap the missle defense system - hasn't worked yet and probably never will

I think postcards to congress are the optimal means of communication. They do not have to check for anthrax etc.

US forces hold Afghans back to ‘prove’ town safe for Gates visit
By Ron Brynaert
Tuesday, March 9th, 2010

The National Security writer for the Associated Press saw through the propaganda, but she apparently decided to run with it anyway.

"Defense Secretary Robert Gates, aiming to show progress in the expanded war against insurgents in south Afghanistan, took a brief, heavily guarded walk Tuesday down a rutted street in this scruffy market town where the Taliban lobbed mortars at U.S. forces only weeks ago," Anne Gearan reports for the AP.

Now Zad was the scene of first significant military push following President Barack Obama's announcement in early December that he would add 30,000 troops atop 17,000 reinforcements he had already sent into the flagging war.

With the additional firepower, Marines moved into Now Zad last December and quickly pushed out Taliban fighters who had seized the town four years ago and forced every civilian to flee. Families that had lived in Now Zad for generations fled their houses with laundry still on the lines, said the top U.S. officer in the district, Marine Brig. Gen. Larry Nicholson.
"A few months ago this place was a ghost town, a no-go zone," Gates is quoted as saying. "Now, as I saw for myself, stores are opening, people are returning."

After eight paragraphs, the AP reporter notes that "Gates' walk" required "armed guards in front of and behind him and soldiers dressed for battle posted all along his short route."

After thirteen paragraphs, Gearan finally observes, "Ironically, to demonstrate that the town is safe enough for Gates to visit, U.S. forces held at bay the very Afghan townspeople Marines fought to bring back."

On Monday journalist and historian Gareth Porter wrote about how the media had fallen for the bait "to hype up Marja as the objective of 'Operation Moshtarak' by planting the false impression that it is a good-sized city."

For weeks, the U.S. public followed the biggest offensive of the Afghanistan War against what it was told was a "city of 80,000 people" as well as the logistical hub of the Taliban in that part of Helmand. That idea was a central element in the overall impression built up in February that Marja was a major strategic objective, more important than other district centres in Helmand.

It turns out, however, that the picture of Marja presented by military officials and obediently reported by major news media is one of the clearest and most dramatic pieces of misinformation of the entire war, apparently aimed at hyping the offensive as a historic turning point in the conflict.

Marja is not a city or even a real town, but either a few clusters of farmers' homes or a large agricultural area covering much of the southern Helmand River Valley.

"It's not urban at all," an official of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), who asked not to be identified, admitted to IPS Sunday. He called Marja a "rural community".
Porter noted that the propaganda campaign had probably been ordered from the top.

A central task of "information operations" in counterinsurgency wars is "establishing the COIN [counterinsurgency] narrative", according to the Army Counterinsurgency Field Manual as revised under Gen. David Petraeus in 2006.

That task is usually done by "higher headquarters" rather than in the field, as the manual notes.

The COIN manual asserts that news media "directly influence the attitude of key audiences toward counterinsurgents, their operations and the opposing insurgency." The manual refers to "a war of perceptions…conducted continuously using the news media."

Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, commander of ISAF, was clearly preparing to wage such a war in advance of the Marja operation. In remarks made just before the offensive began, McChrystal invoked the language of the counterinsurgency manual, saying, "This is all a war of perceptions."

The Washington Post reported Feb. 22 that the decision to launch the offensive against Marja was intended largely to impress U.S. public opinion with the effectiveness of the U.S. military in Afghanistan by showing that it could achieve a "large and loud victory."

The false impression that Marja was a significant city was an essential part of that message.
Last year, RAW STORY's Brad Jacobson reported,

A key senior figure in a Bush administration covert Pentagon program, which used retired military analysts to produce positive wartime news coverage, remains in the same position today as a chief Obama Defense Department spokesman and the agency’s head of all media operations.

In an examination of Pentagon documents the New York Times obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request -- which reporter David Barstow leveraged for his April 2008 Pulitzer Prize-winning exposé on the program – Raw Story has found that Bryan Whitman surfaces in over 500 emails and transcripts, revealing the deputy assistant secretary of defense for media operations was both one of the program’s senior participants and an active member.

....

The program was ostensibly run out of the Pentagon’s public affairs office for community relations, as part of its outreach, and attended to by political appointees, most visibly in these records by then community relations chief Allison Barber and director Dallas Lawrence.

But as Barstow noted in his report, in running the program out of that office rather than from the agency’s regular press office, “the decision recalled other Bush administration tactics that subverted traditional journalism.” In addition to concealing the true nature of the program and the retired military officers’ participation in it, this tactic produced one other effect.

It provided Bryan Whitman, a career civil servant and senior Defense Department official who oversees the press office and all media operations, cover if and when the program was revealed.

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So, has anybody read the Robert Parry article I referenced earlier, or thought about the questions I posed?

Charles, the military can scrap or cut back a lot of hi-tech stuff and reinvest in effective low tech weaponry. They spend way too much to produce over complicated crap. The KISS principle is completely foreign to our defense industry.

Thom, you really let Katherine Mangu-Ward off easy. I can't believe she actually said it's OK to ship US jobs to China becuase they really need them. What!! She's just making up absurdity, that is most certainly NOT any part of corporate motivation, as an apology for corporations seeking cheap labor and lax regulation at the expense of US workers.

I'm all for US aid to poor countries and fighting to end the plight of sweat-shop workers where ever they are, but exporting US jobs and bankrupting our nation is probably not the best way to do it. Plus it's just beyond absurd to asign this as a motivation for why US tarrifs have been eliminated. You should have nailed her on this complete nonsense. Anyway, thanks a bunch and love the show.