Daily Topics - Wednesday - May 12th 2010

Quote: Abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery of party, faction, and division of society. -- John Adams

Hour One - Hour One -Has the President "dummied down" the Supreme Court? Thom challenges Bay Buchanan www.theamericancause.com

Plus...While the "The Fat Bastard" fiddled, America is burning...

Hour Two - Word war...should some words be off limits to the Left...really?!
Dan Gainor www.businessandmedia.org

Hour Three - Can America's working class survive the "Temp Age?"
Eamonn Fingleton www.unsustainable.org

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#1

In regards to the Oil Exec's pointing fingers instead of taking responsibility. I think that they should be taken at their word, they have all implicated each other, so fine, its all of their responisibility. I think that's completely fair.

Side note, here in CA, the Republican Canidate for Gov that used to have a 50 point lead, is now neck and neck with her primary challenger. I'm figuring since I've heard or seen nothing but her campaign ads, that her extreme right wing position has shot herself in the foot. Hil-f'n-larious.

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#2

OMG, Bay Buchanan is nothing but a right wing hack. I rarely hear such hypocritcal dreck from one person, but she is just overflowing with it. Her reasoning is just completely based on ideology.

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#3

Ideologs don't reason, they repeat.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#4

Thom's blog separate blog entry on the story of how the Oil Rig may have cut safety corners is quite interesting. Worth the read.

N

Quark's picture
Quark 10 years 19 weeks ago
#5

I haven't listened to Thom or posted on the blog since Thom talked with Ravi Batra a week or two ago. Thom seemed to lead the "witness" (Batra) to confirm Thom's longtime prediction of a coming depression. Batra did not confirm that outlook per se, for which I was glad. Even tho Thom tells his listeners that "despair is not an option," he sometimes has a way of setting up a very bleak future (for which you'd have to be crazy not to be in despair.) (Last week, my doctor told me to spend less time being involved with politics, that it was hurting my mental and physical health.) Thom's interviews with authoritarian right-wing "mouthpieces" are equally discouraging. Why not just post the right-wing, corporatist talking points on the website every week? That's all these people have to say anyway.

Also, I wish that Thom would generally do less talking and taking over of conversations (especially with callers) and more listening and asking of questions.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#6

re: What do Democrats need to do to get a spine?

They need to get their progressive/liberal policies taken seriously in the media.

I'm hoping that the progressive media will grow and flourish, to the point that the common American, who doesn't care about politics, is exposed to it like they are exposed to the right wing crap. In the meantime, its a grass roots struggle for the rest of us.

N

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 19 weeks ago
#7

@Quark,

I haven't been here much in the past week or so, but I've just been busy...but I feel the same way. Thom says that there isn't much attention paid to the left in the media, then he spends almost all the time talking to the right. There are many Socialist academics who could use the airtime, someone mentioned Richard Wolff recently, but Thom brings up a four year old talk with the head of the CPUSA...

ps When the Nazis came to L.A. recently it was mostly the various socialist contingents that came out to protest.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#8

@Quark!!!, long time no blogging. If Thom isn't what you need right now, just turn down the volume, but I hope you do spend some time with us here on the blog.

N

Pablito's picture
Pablito 10 years 19 weeks ago
#9

Folks this is madness:Bay Buchanan maybe a Right -Wing hack but she is more than correct.

Buchanan says the GOP get whom ever they want to sit on the Supreme Court.

And Thom sounded silly calling the chief justice Roberts a Right -Wing hack,Roberts may well be,but he is on the court.What good progressive can we point to that has a seat on the court,none.

And so liberals are stuck defending Kagan on behalf of the Administration.Liberals are now doing just like the GOP,saying yes & defending everything the WH hands 'em.even if it's not in their best interest.

Kagan is no progressive or if she is,she is a corporate progressive.Ordinary people be damned.

She is more than bad news,and progressives ought not to be defending her, on behalf of the WH.For someone who is such a progressive, Kagan had no damn confidence or courage to defend her beliefs.She has written nothing supporting her so called0" progressive" stance.She was in the Clinton WH,what does that tell ya ?

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#10

@Quark and Zero G., sounds like you guys need a strong dose of Pacifica Radio and Free Speech TV. You'll get a lot more of the left there, heck just this morning I was listening to Amy Goodman/Democracy Now and there was a lot more scrutiny on Kagan from the left than I'm hearing even on Thom's show (as an example).

I do personally hope you two don't abandon this blog completely though. :-)

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#11

@Pablito re: She was in the Clinton WH,what does that tell ya ?

It tells me she wasn't in the Bush Administration.

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#12

Disasters are "an act of god" according to the irresponsible, and hence not their duty to clean up - god has to fix it.

If you leave the lights on when you park your car, they will only be on for a while, but that doesn't fix the problem.

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 19 weeks ago
#13

Hey Nels,

I heard Amy's show this morning and most mornings, also I had posted Glen Greenwald's critique of Kagen before the pick became known.

I full well acknowledge calling GWB a fascist. His Grandfather Prescott's Union Bank had their funds confiscated for funding the Third Reich. GWBush used the Big Lie technique to force the US into wars of aggression. During the FDR regime the GOPhers tried to organize a coup against him. They are fascists. They are the decendants of fascists. Let's be honest about it.

ajackson652 10 years 19 weeks ago
#14

Democrats and Progressives can develop their spine by understanding when they are questioned by libertarians and conservatives about the ‘evil’ connotation of their socialism and polices for the ‘redistribution” of wealth is that what is being done is putting right the laws, rules, and beliefs that allowed the miss-distribution of wealth in the first place through inequalities in wages, benefits, retirement plans, quality heath care, and tax benefits. It seems to be forgotten by all concerned that this miss-distribution of wealth came first.

MugsysRapSheet's picture
MugsysRapSheet 10 years 19 weeks ago
#15

First, look carefully at most of those photos comparing Bush to Hitler. Nearly all of them were taken in Europe.

Second, how do tea-baggers defend comparing "reforming health care" as justification for comparing Obama to Hitler vs comparisons of Bush to Hitler for an unprovoked attack against another country?

Quark's picture
Quark 10 years 19 weeks ago
#16

Zero G and Nels,

I have heard a few others reflect similar sentiments over time on this blog. You and others here seem like part of my "family" and I didn't want to just disappear without an explanation. Thank you for your thoughtful, kind words and friendship. I will probably continue to post when I'm able, though I think I need to take periodic breaks.

louisehartmann's picture
louisehartmann 10 years 19 weeks ago
#17

Quark & Zero - Thom has been debating on his show since day one and this show is in it's ninth year. He doesn't just have them on - he both challenges them and informs them. If this isn't what you want to hear then find a different blog to hang out on.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#18

Isn't Bush on tape saying that it would be better to run this country as a dictatorship, so long as he was the dictator?

Wish Thom had played that clip. I also agree with MugsyRapSheet, calling Obama a NAZI is about as nonsensical as calling Bernie Sanders the next Joe McCarthy. Comparing Apples with dogshit.

N

Quark's picture
Quark 10 years 19 weeks ago
#19

Zero G,

I guess I've been dismissed (re: Louise.)

MugsysRapSheet's picture
MugsysRapSheet 10 years 19 weeks ago
#20

I seem to remember Bush in a classroom 8 months after his innauguration.

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 19 weeks ago
#21

@Quark,

You and me both, I guess we're no longer welcome. So long folks, its been fun.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#22

Bush did say it would be easier to run the country if it were a dictatorship. Cheney promptly snatched the reins and yanked as hard to the right as he could.

harry ashburn 10 years 19 weeks ago
#23

NAZI/Commie: A very smart professor lectued one time that it's not a line, with far left and far right; but a circle. With authoritarian at the top and libertarian at the bottom. In other words, you can have authoritarian right-wing govts and authoritarian left-wing govts.

Quark's picture
Quark 10 years 19 weeks ago
#24

'Bye everyone. Disagreement is not welcome here.

MugsysRapSheet's picture
MugsysRapSheet 10 years 19 weeks ago
#25

If you can't handle a little criticism or a correction, you probably aren't mature enough to be here in the first place. Ta Ta!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#26

@Quark, of course, of course, listening to one show continually isn't necessarily good for anyone. Variety is the spice of life, Thom isn't perfect, he's human and he can't be everything to everyone and as you mentioned sometimes he'll lead his guests, though I feel its more or less his subconscious coming through. I mean he does have his beliefs, if he didn't I don't think he would be doing his show.

Sorry Louise got a bit touchy with you and Zero G., I would hazard to guess that she's a little sensitive about her husband. I can tell you this, if you had said something critical about me and my wife heard it, she'd be all over you like white on rice. Far more extreme than Louise. As I wrote earlier, hope you two don't disappear from the blog, I would miss you terribly.

N

harry ashburn 10 years 19 weeks ago
#27

@Quark and zero G: I didn't take Louise's comment that way, though it was harsh. I'll ask you not to go, OK?

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#28

Wonderful: a safety celebration causes a disaster.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#29

@harry, Oh no, we're losing Quark and Zero G!!! NO NO NO NO NO this isn't happening!!!

Quick hold me, I think I'm going to cry :.-(

N

MugsysRapSheet's picture
MugsysRapSheet 10 years 19 weeks ago
#30

Haliburton was plugging the well with cement at the time of the explosion because they were attempting to shut down the well so they could return when the price of oil was higher.

harry ashburn 10 years 19 weeks ago
#31

@Maxrot: re bush quote: I remember bush didn't say it would be "better" to have a dictatorship, but "easier".

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#32

Smedley Butler was a major general - two stars. He was awarded the Medal of Honor twice, both in support of imperial hegemony in Mexico and Haiti.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#33

@Louise, just out of curiosity, Quark had mentioned that her Doctor had mentioned she should stop paying as much attention to politics as she does. This isn't the first time I've heard such from progressives (I think gerald had a similar comment some months ago).

Anyway maybe there is something more to this, maybe there is a stress disorder developing in progressives that work hard for progressive politics and instead get nothing better than right of center policies as the best. It might be worthwhile for the show to take a look at this subject, I suspect it may be far more wide spread than people think.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#34

Ah geez, now with Quark gone I'm starting to PANIC.

N

harry ashburn 10 years 19 weeks ago
#35

@Maxrot: I always thought it was "jeez". for Jesus.

louisehartmann's picture
louisehartmann 10 years 19 weeks ago
#36

Yes - it did sound a bit harsh....my apologies...

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#37

@Louise, I think by now you'd have to send the apologies to both the members personally. If you do tell them that I miss them.

Nels

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#38

@harry, I don't know how you spell it, perhaps its like gray or grey, either spelling is probably acceptable... seems that I also missed the opportunity to write it as jeez louise too, since I've heard said that way to like after I smacked my head on an overhead pipe.

You did understand the word in its context though, so does it matter that much?

N

mstaggerlee's picture
mstaggerlee 10 years 19 weeks ago
#39

@Quark and ZeroG (if you're still here) -

I don't think Louise meant to be dismissive. She was merely pointing out that the show still is what it has always been. Thom does indeed get a lot of the same people, or at least people who spout the opinions, that you'll hear on Limbaugh, Beck or Hannity. The difference is that on the Reich wing shows,. the toady host supports and agres with their opinions. Their appearances on this show are very different, as the host challenges their viewpoints.

We are alll awre that the MSM, as currently configured, is little more than a right-wing echo chamber. If we build our own echo chamber here on the left, are we really doing oureselves a service? If we speak exclusively with people who agree with us, is that really a road to progress? I don't think so - the choir already knows all our songs. Progress begins when you change the opnions of people on the other side.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#40

well said mstaggerlee

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#41

Labor is not a cost. Labor is wealth.

harry ashburn 10 years 19 weeks ago
#42

@maxrot: 'course it doesnt matter. sometimes I wonder if you use some kind of vocal device that misinterprets you and inserts hominyms. But a bang on the head will work as well. :) It sure worked for me and Edgar Cayce...course you knew I was going to say that. I have to go to eye doc now, see ya'lll manana.

Blue Mark's picture
Blue Mark 10 years 19 weeks ago
#43

In an earlier segment Thom spoke briefly about the Estate Tax (or Paris Hilton Tax). Something I think we should be pointing out is that repealing the Estate Tax would result in a big middle class tax increase while giving the extremely rich a big tax break.

The Estate Tax is really a great big capital gains tax cut for people inheriting estates under a bit more than a million dollars (or 3 to 5 million under certain circumstances) - in other words it is a tax break for the middle class.

What the Estate Tax really does is give heirs a break on the cost basis of capital property they inherit - when it is sold the capital gains will only be calculated from the value at the time it was inherited rather than when it was originally acquired - this is the "step up" in the cost basis that they get. In exchange for that huge tax break, a tax is charged only on the portion of an estate above the limit (up to 5 million for family farms and 3 million for family businesses).

With no Estate Tax, there is no step up basis for capital gains of inherited property. Therefore the middle class will pay far more captial gains taxes on inherited property.

This year there is no Estate Tax, but it comes back next year. A few years ago Congress passed a 'bridge' bill to retain the capital gains step-up for this one year.

Very large estates benefit because with capital gains taxes at half the old rates, it is less expensive than the Estate Tax. And of course the same handful of families pushing for the elimination of the Estate Tax also want the complete elimination of Capital Gains taxes - that is next on their list.

So - Estate Tax repeal = big increase in middle class taxes, big cuts for the very wealthy.

Bullhorn Journal's picture
Bullhorn Journal 10 years 19 weeks ago
#44

I worked temp once for $7.50 an hour. one of the employers who hired me told me he was paying the temp company $14 an hour. so the wage is obviously not the issue.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#45

Manpower used to be the number one employer in the US. I think it was in the early 1990s.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#46

@harry, no, no vocal device, I type it all in, I'm just not following best writing practices and re-reading everything I write... twice before submitting.

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Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 19 weeks ago
#47

Some have suggested RFID chip implants. Next would be the implant with GPS. Next might include an audio/video transmitter.

Didn't East Germany have about half the population spying on the "others"?

Zero G's picture
Zero G 10 years 19 weeks ago
#48

@Louise

Apology accepted, from myself anyway. If I didn't think that Thom provided one of the most progressive voices on the commercial media, I wouldn't be here. I do hope some of my comments here have been appreciated by the show's staff, I assume so since I was a member of the day a few weeks back....

@Mstaggerlee

Leftists generally don't form echo chambers, there are too many various divided factions and everybody has an opinion, but in talking to the right wing, well how do you politely stay honest when talking to folks whose income is dependant on the exploitation of others, the bombing of civilians, the torture of prisoners, etc. Today Seymor Hersch is reporting that the US is executing prisoners on the battlefield. This is now, under the Hope and Change administration. War is a Racket, same as it ever was...

harry ashburn 10 years 19 weeks ago
#49

Ghod! I hate looking at that photo on the home page of that fat hairy guy. The media is getting us used to the fact that fat is the new normal. I even hate flipping thru TV and getting a glimpse of the low hanging man-boobs on Biggest Loser. I can't wait til tomorrow for a new photo.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 19 weeks ago
#50

RE Gulf Oil Spill, I've been reading a few reports on the Web (so take them with a grain of salt) that there is a possibility that the pipe and valve at the source of the leak may completely fail because of the high pressure oil and associated grit spewing from it. If that happens, it is likely that we go from 5,000 barrel-a-day to 50,000 barrel-a-day spill. That's 2.1 Million Gallons per day.

N

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