Daily Topics - Monday, June 14, 2010
By shawnt56
Hour One: Have B.P, Halliburton and Transocean have unleashed Armageddon? And, is there no stopping it? Thom talks to geologist Chris Landau www.opednews.com
Hour Two: Why we're really in Afghanistan
Hour Three: How Dick Cheney destroyed the lives and water supplies of millions of Americans! Film maker Josh Fox talks to Thom about his new movie "Gasland" www.gaslandthemovie.com. Plus, Van Jones of the Center for American Progress on the Gulf disaster www.americanprogress.org
Comments
#2
The GOP Pretends to Police Their Own VS Scratch a Republican . . . Find a Bigot:
#3
There's GOLD In That War!
Pentagon Highlights 'Vast Riches Of Minerals' Discovered In Afghanistan
Tell me again; what is the REAL reason the US government is in Afghanistan.
#4
Why the Afghanistan War will Never End:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/eureka.php
#5
Funny about the Not So Funny:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/13/anti-bp-art-the-best-visu_n_609660.html
#6
#1
The real reason for any war is control of resources. Afghanistan originally was about protecting oil pipelines. The next wars will be over water.
#7
"Nucular" fuel is gowdawful expensive to produce. Another externality paid for with hidden money from taxpayers.
#8
Excerpts from President Obama’s Upcoming Bash BP Speech:
“Hello, my name is Barack (Hello Barack) and I have an oil snide.”
“Gosh golly, BP has been bad . . .”
“How about them pelicans?”
“Golly, President Reagan did a good thing by pulling down those solar collectors . . . “
#9
After hearing about the documentary "The 11th Hour" on your show, I watched it. One part that stuck with me (of course other than all the appearances by Thom Hartmann) was when Tom Linzey, the executive director of the Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund was saying that in order to move toward a more sustainable way of living on the planet, we need to find harmony between people and nature, and that Nature has rights too.
Sadly, we are seeing that now with the disaster in the gulf. The seabirds, fish, dolphins, whales, sea turtles, marshlands and beaches of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida have rights too, but nobody is standing up for them.
Wouldn't it have been nice if the Supreme Court had ruled that Nature had the rights of personhood, instead of corporations like BP, Halliburton and Transocean?
#10
Presidents are Simply Figureheads
When did the Presidents of the United States stop being our Commander in chiefs and become the figureheads they are today? Obama is simply a figurehead while it is the Corporations that actually run our government.
What these two cases show is further control of our political system and the selection of our leaders by the wealthy, and the corporation's (both domestic and foreign). It also makes the case for the further erosion of the ability of "we the people" to elect individuals that will represent our interests.
#11
#9 Rachel Maddow points out that BP's safety plan for the Gulf outlines how seals and walruses will be protected.
#12
@10 drichards, the last president was a SIMPLE Figurehead
#13
How the Reagan Revolution Succeeded: Strangling Government in a Bathtub and Destroying Public Services
MARK KARLIN FOR BUZZFLASH, AN EDITOR'S BLOG
The success of the right wing strategy known as the "Reagan Revolution" is like a toxic underground river that keeps gaining in strength and can only be seen from time to time as it emerges to the surface and grows in strength and power as it undermines the common good.
#14
Government grew larger under Raygun.
#15
40 Mile Long 2 mile wide plume in Florida Waters
Here it comes for real folks. Hell on earth is arriving.
#16
Thom, Ngo Dinh Diem was assassinated in the summer of 1963 when JFK was in office. He was replaced by "Big" Minh, general in the SV army.
#17
The Ocean is Sacred says the President. He should open with a moment of silence not only for the 11 human lives, but all the beautiful whales and dolphins and jellyfish and gulls and birds.
#18
EPA Launches National Study of Hydraulic Fracturing
by Abrahm Lustgarten, ProPublica - March 18, 2010 4:38 pm EDT
The U.S. EPA plans a nationwide study to see if reported water contamination in gas drilling areas is caused by the practice of injecting chemicals and water underground to fracture the gas-bearing rock.
http://www.propublica.org/series/buried-secrets-gas-drillings-environmental-threat
#19
Here is my review of Unequal Protection, ...
Thom Hartmann's Unequal Protection 2010 is a treatise on predator corporations that prey on the classes beneath, and dupe them into hastening their carnage.
Read more at Suite101: Thom Hartmann Unequal Protection 2010 - Predator Corporations http://peacesecurity.suite101.com/article.cfm/thom-hartmann-unequal-protection-2010---predator-corporations#ixzz0qqnAMbqh
#20
what I wish Obama would say:
Deregulation has been a failure: if you need examples, see BP/Halliburton/Transocean disaster, Savings and Loan fiasco, Enron/Engergy sector ripoff, or Financial Industry bailout. the Government will now regulate industries to prevent corporations from causing future harm to our economy or our environment.
The world is run by large corporations, but the USA will no longer support efforts of Economic Hit Men as described by John Perkins.
Bush and Cheney are war criminals, started an illegal and immoral war by lying to us, and they will both be prosecuted for war crimes.
#21
Some good news here on the status of electric cars to go along with those lithium deposits in Afghanistan. I must declare, if those Taliban are on top of our clean green energy future, I am feeling less merciless...
Electric cars – As described in an earlier post, acceptance and growth of the electric car in California has been hampered by the lack of charging stations. Nissan and GM have mass-market electric vehicles that will be available in just a few weeks, but finding a place to charge them will be a challenge. A Bay Area company – Coulomb Technologies – recently announced plans to install 4,600 charging stations in nine metropolitan areas over the next 18 months. They are counting on money from a bill proposed in Congress that would allow the Energy Department to award $800 million in grants. Lots of plans, but in the Bay Area and elsewhere, charging stations are still a rare sight indeed.
#22
GASLAND INTERVIEW ON PBS
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/613/index.html
NOW talks with filmmaker Josh Fox about "Gasland", his Sundance award-winning documentary on the surprising consequences of natural gas drilling. Fox's film—inspired when the gas company came to his hometown—alleges chronic illness, animal-killing toxic waste, disastrous explosions, and regulatory missteps.
#23
After the Gulf Oil Disaster, Americans said it was more important to protect the environment than it was to develop U.S. energy supplies, by 55% to 39% favor environmental protection, according to a May 24-25 USA Today/Gallup poll taken -- the second-largest percentage (behind the 58% in 2007) favoring the environment in the 10-year history of the question.
Just one month previous to the Gulf Oil Disaster, the same USA Today/Gallup poll question resulted in an opposite opinion
An Environmentalist would consider such a Sophie’s Choice poll question as misleading however. RFK Jr. writes in the forward to Van Jones Green Collar Economy (2008) that an enslavement to a debilitating inefficient carbon economy is in fact a ball and chain and drag on America’s economy.
#24
Deregulation is responsible for causing our government to depend on corporate money for campaigns. The system is in deep trouble until campaign finance reform and other lobbying reforms are implemented. Big bucks buy Big Idiots with Big Egos and Small Minds.
#25
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Thom is a slacker!!!
What’s with this weekends-off stuff? It seems Thom thinks that he has some right to not work weekends, leaving me to suffer through Sunday news programming. I find this unconscionable!
My son of 15 years drags himself around the house questioning why Thom is not on Free Speech Television, over the weekend. What am I to tell him?
Heck, if it wasn’t for Thom’s program, my son might have grown up to think Van Jones was anything other than a fine mind.
It’s time for Mr. Hartmann to put in some quality weekends, however his wife and staff should not be so encumbered.
This is my rant and I’ve no idea where to post it!
Signed,
Haywood a.k.a. Michael from Grass Valley.
#26
Woah- did someone catch that blogspot address from the caller talking about the Barnett Shale and how under the freedom of information act they learned BP was lying? I only caught tx share it?
#27
@Michael, get podcasts or check out WhiteRoseSociety.org
#28
Somebody must know what they are doing. A caller named Blue calls into Mike Malloy. He says that international panels are being conducted and they are saying there are solutions not being tried. That last caller though here on Thom Show was a chump for nuclear power- what rubbish, this was worse than 10 Chernobyls! We have a non profit in Grass Valley that brings those Russian kids here just to breath for the summer- still! MArk my word, the nuclear power industry is frightened right now that Americans will discover solar thermal and concentrated solar and thin film solar technology- which we have right here in SAC being developed by former BP employees, check out Bloo Solar http://www.bloosolar.com/
#29
The self-regulation thing that worked was Professional Partnerships. The Limited Liability Corporation removes the necessity for all of the partners had to check each other or being liable for another partner's crimes.
#30
"If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby." - Michael Lebron aka "Lionel"
#31
That's a sticky issue.
#32
A repeat from a previous post!!!
The Reagan Revolution has succeeded in destroying the American government!!!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-the-Reagan-Revolution-by-Mark-Karlin-100614-573.html
#33
School Vouchers
I oppose school vouchers because they are tax breaks for the rich parents and for upper middle class parents. Here is a reason. Let us say that a lower middle class parent and a poor parent are interested in sending their children to private schools in Washington, D.C. A parent has three children. The average private school costs are $7,500 per year for tuition. $7,500 times three equals $22,500. Washington, D.C. was saying that each child would receive a school voucher for $1,500 per year. You subtract $4,500 from $22,500 and the parent still has to pay $18,000. Poor parents and lower middle class parents could not pay $18,000 per year to educate their children.
Make no mistake school vouchers are to help and to give tax breaks to rich parents and to upper middle class parents!!!
#34
Greed, Hatred, Lifestyles, and Clinics
Every action, behavior, and deed is centered on the bottom line, such as money. Greed is the United States of Hell’s god.
God does not give us evil and sin. We create our evil and sin. We need to work with God in the curing process of our souls. God does not want to punish us unless we fail to cure our souls. In the end we will punish ourselves.
I have a serious concern about hatred. Hatred can and will destroy the human person. There is a massive amount of hatred in the United States of Hell. This hatred is in many areas but the hatred toward the gay lifestyle continues to grow and spread.
Father Benedict Groeschel gave a talk on men living together and the gay lifestyle. There is nothing wrong with men living together. There are men living together to defray cost of living expenses. It is the gay lifestyle that is different. People should not judge men living together as a gay lifestyle. God should judge each person. Hatred in American will probably never subside because our nation is totally evil and sinful in our deeds against God’s children.
The killing of doctors and workers at an abortion clinic is wrong. How can people kill a person and say that he or she is pro-life? We should let God judge these doctors and workers at these clinics. We can have our opinions on greed, hatred, lifestyles and clinics but we should let God be the final judge.
#35
Concerns about the oil spill in the gulf.
One of my concerns is how deep the oil is. I have heard reports that the oil coming out of the well was hot. One question I ask was is the oil hot enough so that it degraded the rubber in the blow out preventer and and kept the blow out preventer from working?
Another question stems from my visit to Yosemite, a few years ago. The history of Yosemite is that Yosemite was covered with glaciers. When the ice melted, the pressure that the ice put on the ground was relieved. As a result of that, the ground started to raise, forming half dome and other features.
I wonder if the same thing is happening underneath the oil pocket in the gulf. Is the oil spilling into the gulf releasing enough pressure so that the ground underneath the oil pocket is starting to raise?
Considering the reports I have heard that the oil is hot, how thick is the solid rock underneath the oil pocket? At what point and dept does the rock start to become molten underneath the oil pocket?
Then I have my biggest concern: is the solid rock thin enough so that if it started to raise, would it crack and any molten rock be able to come into contact with the crude oil?
I also have other concerns, too. Like the plumes that are being found in the gulf.
When a volcano blows, all the lava doesn't always come out the top. Sometimes lava makes its way to the side of the volcano and comes out the side.
So, the question becomes, after the initial explosion, did oil, from the oil well, start to come out from the side of the well and go to the top of the ocean floor? Did the oil come from below the casing, or did the initial explosion rupture the casing so oil is coming from it?
I think the plumes that that have been found is coming from cracks that were cause by the explosion in the gulf.
Keeping that in mind, lot of us have heard how sonar has destroy some marine life's hearing. With the “advances” in sonar that have been made, I think we could put sonar buoys on the bottom of the ocean, then how deep the cracks are and were they originate from can be determined. We can also use thermal imaging to to see where the cracks are and how deep they are.
Then BP can use that information to drill wells along the cracks and put casing pipe in the hold and then use a valve to cut off the oil flow coming from the well.
#36
The United States of Hell will never leave the Middle East for two reasons - for the oil, natural gas, and the minerals in the area and for permanent military bases that are being developed. The United States of Hell seeks to establish 1,000 military bases across our planet. Please, we should never doubt that eternal wars are glorious experiences for Americans. Let us also never doubt that these natural resources and minerals are our resources as part of the spoils of war. The United States of Hell will profit from these resources.
#37
My wife has a tendency to set me straight. I am a person who becomes really pissed off at all the greed and hatred that I see around me. Our parents have lived to an average age of eighty-one years. My wife keeps saying to me, "Jerry, in another ten years it won't really matter for us." What a woman and what a wife!!!
#38
I looked up Chris Landau's article on OpedNews.
It appears that he is one of those people who thinks oil is being constantly created by combinations of chemicals. The reason he feels this is so horrible (and I'm not disputing that this is horrible) is that he claims oil is not a fossil fuel -- it's created via some type of inner-earth alchemy. I think that is not at all what science says about oil, andI'm surprised Thom Hartmann thinks so much of his article! Landau actually says "Oil is not a fossil fuel." Did TH even read his article??
Anyway, there are many better articles written by better scientists that describe why this is such a horrible oil leak. The sea floor is sprouting holes and leaks as the whole thing appears it's going to blow, and plain oil citizens are capturing this with screenshots on various blogs from the live BP feed.
oped news article: http://bit.ly/cmdHIG
#39
Indian Point nuclear plant was discussed by Thom as a potential 9/11 target. He said it was rejected because they couldn't believe it didn't have surface to air missiles protecting it. That didn't sound right, and I googled it and couldn't find any corroborating story. Does anyone know of a source for it?
Nuclear plants are made to withstand a plane crash, by the way. Also, they don't have outdoor waste ponds, that would be coal mining operations, not nuclear. I think Thom mentioned something about nuclear plants being dangerous because they have outdoor waste of some kind, but they don't. What nuclear waste that is on-site is buried deep. I doubt that even a plane crashing into it could smash the containers.
I wish Thom would stop being against nuclear power and learn more about thorium reactors and the new fourth generation nuclear plants that are being designed, instead of bashing a power industry that could provide us with a lot of CO2-free power.
Coal plants emit more radioactivity than nuclear plants do. And they store their waste outside in unlined ponds. People need to get educated on nuclear power and start backing it instead of bashing it.
#40
I am a former guest of Thom's on his show. A couple of months ago, I gave him a copy of our documentary, The Silent Revolution of Truth, hoping to make him aware of the information that Billy Meier first began publishing in 1951, warning of unnatural climate change, global warming...and the immense danger that extracting petroleum posed to humanity (http://theyfly.com/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_UP.html) among many other things.
For decades, this man has been trying to awaken humanity to problems so severe that they are almost unimaginable. However, he and his information are the most important - and suppressed - story in human history, which is why you probably have never heard about him, or have only heard deliberate disinformation.
Petroleum is a natural secretion generated by the planet to buffer the tectonic plates (http://theyfly.com/How_Earth_Produces_Oil.htm). So, in addition to extensive pollution, the Earth's hemorrhaging will lead to more frequent and intense earthquake, volcanic and tsunamis.
Perhaps it's time to listen to the very sage advice given to us for almost 60 years...by someone you've never heard of.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! They typed the word "PLAN" and GOP in the same sentence . . . ROTFLMAO!
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/the-gop-plan-for-making-bp-pay-trust-bp.php