Daily Topics - Thursday August 12th, 2010

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Quote of the Day: "When any calamity has been suffered, the first thing to be remembered is how much has been escaped." -- Samuel Johnson
Hour One: Should the government get out of the housing business and let the free market take over? Thom challenges Tim Cavanaugh of Reason Magazine www.reason.com; Plus, the latest on the death of Ted Stevens - Shannyn Moore, host of the Shannyn Moore Show on KUDO Anchorage www.shannynmoore.com
Hour Two: 9/11 Christian Center and Ground Zero Mosque...isn't this doing exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants, promoting war between Christians and Muslims? Thom has a rumble with BIl Keller of of the 9/11 Christian Center www.911christiancenter.com
Hour Three: Thom's take on the best of the rest of the news; Plus, Geeky Science - the positive connection between alcohol and arthritis...really!
Comments
Tariffs, Duties, Fees on Imports, I don't care what you call it, we need to return to protecting our markets. Our country will be nothing but bloated and weak if all we have is Master Degreed McDonalds Fry Flippers.
:-(
We ship way too much raw material offshore way too cheap, and buy it back at way too high a price.
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@Maxrot #46: Germany instituted a pension and health care system in 1871.
Bumper Sticker:
There is a Class War Going on; if your car is worth less than $20,000, has a right wing bumper sticker, you're a traitor and need to be shot.
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@Maxrot #52, yah if the retail prices actually reflected the pennies-on-the-dollar sweatshop wages, the PR trope that 'lower prices increase consumers' standard of living' would be at least a half-truth. Even then buying the sweatshop crap would still be a more serious form of class treason than the bumper stickers per #54.
Slavery in the United States, sure we need to teach about that, but what about the GENOCIDE of the indigenous people that were here (who weren't so useful as slaves, because escaping was easier for those who knew the land better than the slave masters).
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Slavery has many forms. Chattel slavery is inefficient. Wage slavery is a better model. Of course, one has to accept the concept of removing people from their resources such that submission to slavery becomes the only option versus death.
I buy my clothes on line from american made companies, usually union made as well. Not including underwear. However, i did buy a pair of red wing boots. which did something anti worker recently, cant remember what. maybe relocated overseas.

@rladlof, thank you for those two articles!

@Jeanie, I have listened to many of Thom's conservative guests. They seem unable or unwilling to offer constructive ideas for a better America.

@Jeanie, I do not know if Thom's blog attracts conservative readers. I have tried to have conservatives respond with creative thinking for a better world but they prefer to be more critical with an absence of creativity.

@Gene, yes, slavery does come in many forms. I see that the conservatives want to enslave ninety percent of Americans.


Re: "Ground Zero Mosque": I was very disturbed as I listened to Thom's interview with Bill Keller. Why do we let folks like Bill make us engage them on their terms? I mean it's all about 9/11 isn't it? That's the reason for everything: The wars, the hatred of Muslims. Why not ask folks like Bill straight up: Do you believe that jet fuel brought down those buildings? Even building 7? (Which was struck by no airplanes, had only minor fires, yet suffered a complete symmetrical collapse at total freefall speed, falling on it's own footprint; pretty good trick for a fire to do that). The official report, BTW, didn't even mention WTC 7. What up with that???? Back to the other 2 buildings: An asymmetrical stimulus applied (plane hits corner of building), but a symmetrical result (simultaneous collapse of entire structure), is that what you believe, Bill? You believe that fire melted the support columns on the far side away from the strike, that they failed at the same time as those near the strike? Steel melts at 2,975 degrees F. Can a cold kerosene fire ( e.g. thick black smoke pouring off the building, not exactly an indication of a hot fire) melt steel? Raging infernos have burned for 18 hours on other high-rise steel structures, with only the steel frame remaining, but the building did not fall down. That's because a hydrocarbon fire can barely reach 1,000 degrees under the hottest of conditions. Did the lady named "Jessica", who stood there in the gaping hole where the plane went in, not give testimony that "Here I am, a flesh and blood human, standing quite comfortably" (as regards the temp, not the terror of being up that high in an open gash looking down), did she not testify that the temp was in no way anywhere near that which is required to melt steel? Can jet fuel get to the temps required to melt steel? No, but thermite can. And guess what was found in the dust of the WTC buildings 1, 2 & 7? The military grade chips that were found in the dust were tested, and were found to ignite at 430 degrees, but release energy (explosively) at guess what temp? 2,975 degrees F. Why would the top of the building fall at free fall speed with 47 steel box columns in the way (path of most resistance) if something didn't get them out of the way? Can you expect to walk through a door with the door still closed (path of most resistance)? Can a sportscar traveling at 80 mph suddenly strike a semi doing 50 mph and have the semi conveniently just jump out of the way? Come on kids, this isn't rocket science, a third grader would get that one. But based on this belief we are going to send our kids to war against the Muslims. Is the 1.5 to 2 million deaths in Iraq of innocent civilians (who would not have died but for the invasion), not enough revenge? Jesus said "To the extent that you do it unto the least of these, you do it unto me". What's the Lord going to say when He comes back and sees what we have done? The folks who brought those buildings down were technical experts, not guys in caves with boxcutters. Look at the evidence of all the groups who call the govenment's version of events into question, the architects, the engineers, the physicists, the pilots (some of whom had flight time in the actual planes that were allegedly flown into those buildings, and I do mean allegedly folks, don't fall for the con job here). A standard 767-200 commercial jet airliner cannot hold together in controlled flight at 500 feet (sea level) at the speeds listed by the govenment. That's the equivalent of supersonic flight. I don't think Boeing designed the 767-200 for supersonic flight! The airframe would come apart at that altitude and reported speed. The radio program called "The Power Hour" did a very nice presentation using materials that were already in people's living rooms, magazines and DVD's (i.e. could not be digitally doctored, and folks could examine them for themselves. Look for the DVD called "In Plane Site") that showed that these were clearly modified and not commercial jets, Why was all that steel, which was the physical evidence of the greatest crime scene in history, all cut up and immediately sent to Asia? How did Mayor Giuliani know the buildings were going to collapse? The firefighters were making plans and getting ready to knock down the fires (God Bless 'em, they suffered so much from this, and were told no problem, air was safe to breath during cleanup, and were denied health care later by the "party of no", and perhaps by that other wonder of the world, the "ConservaDems"; they might have conveniently let that one go, letting the blame go on the GOP, when they would have probably done the same), but the mayor was quoted on ABC radio that he had to get out there, the buildings were about to collapse. How did he know that? The first time in history, something that has never happened before is about to happen? Why did folks from Isreali firms get a call that morning to get out of harm's way? Why did 5 Israeli's stand there, high-fiving each other by the white van (famously known as the "dancing Israelis"), filming before the event, and during; why did they get whisked away to Israel without any questions being asked of them? Who stood to gain from this new-found hatred of Muslim's if this "illusion" were pulled off? Whose kids will fight and die in the war to come with Iran? Iran has not attacked anyone in 200 years. Who attacked and killed an American citizen in International waters on May 31rst? Who does have nuclear weapons and refuses to sign the NPT? Who invades and occupies land stolen in war? Were the people who occupied the land that they now invade and occupy (and pour Internationally banned White Phosphorous on), the ones who are the blame for the persecution suffered in WWII? I mean what up, dudes. Wake up. Call out the Bill Keller's of this world straight up. Is it that we are afraid of being called Conspiracy Theorists? Is not the government's own version of events the most unbelievable conspiracy theory ever put forth in front the good citizen's of this country? Evil triumphs only when good men stand by in slience. Call out these folks, before our kids die again in wars fought against not our own, but somebody else's enemies. It's We The People, right? Does our govenment stand for and defend We The People or some other country's people? Good on Mayor Bloomberg, who spoke for freedom of religion. These people who want to build a mosque, they lost folks in the WTC attack also. They did not pull off the events on that day. They did not stand down the best air defense system in the world and allow a plane to veer off course, while another has already attacked, and fly all the way from eastern PA to the Pentagon without being intercepted. I do not believe, like Bill says, that it is they who attacked us. Ever hear of Lee Harvey Oswald, do you think someone might want us to believe in the patsies they set up for us? Bill said all 1.6 Billion Muslims are going to Hell. Remember what the Lord said about the "Least of these", Bill???? What's really going on, here, Bill? It might not be what you think it is, so I am calling you out, buddy. It's not the 1.6 Billion we might be needing to worry about as regards salvation here, Bud. Take a closer look. It might just be ourselves, duped into doing someone else's bidding. If you're gonna go down, at least go down fighting for the side of right, for the brotherhood of man, not for some Bovine Excrement (as a certain well known radio journalist has coined), Good on ya!



What happened to Christianity in America?
In short, Rampant Recessivist Republicanism . . .