The progressive FDR was forced into war. A progressive isn't necessarily a naive radical-pacifist. When Bush took on Iraq, Americans didn't very much oppose. Now tipping over to the other extreme position would be crazy. Can't we be just realistic and not overdo in either direction?

Ron Paul's fans remind of those pro-life people who are pro GOP only because of abortion -- being ready to vote for true predators who have no mercy on their neighbor and ergo can't be considered Christians.

No, Ron Paul can't be considered a progressive if he has just one or two nice points and the rest aims at flatout negligent homicide.

i have to see it every day on paper. that 1% who claim to have negative income yet live in mansions and drive a benz or asscalade, tak etrips to europe, lots of liquifiable assets,holdings and stuff like that. me? just stuck getting stuck by the stickers that have pretty much stuck it to us all over and over again!lolol Iknow, I know...in the words of herman pain... i'z gots noboby 'da blame but m'self. and as far as romney? that guys just scary...he epitomises some of the people i have had the pathetic pleasure of working for in my life! peeps like me were brought up thinking good old hard work would be good enough if we hunkered down did our jobs and contributed golden eggz to our illustrious employers. I'm so sick layin the golden egz that pay for the mansion and the benz! get it? and in the meantime they just keep ripping out more money from education in an effort to make the kids even stupider then they are. holy crap! what has America come to! and i"m still tryin to find the right combo of words to sell the masses in respects to the poor people that wind up havin to fight the rich mans war. what the hell is that all about anyway?

FDR was forced into war? More like FDR forced the US into war! The people in the US did not want to get into Europe's war.
"...the Japanese were provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. The majority of Americans, and even service men, were unaware of what was going on behind the scenes, but not all were. FDR had been charged in public with agitating for war since 1939. FDR had to push the Japanese into attacking the United States because the overwhelming majority of Americans opposed getting involved in the war and Japan itself had no intentions of attacking the United States, their interest was Asia. Without FDR's antagonisms towards the Japanese, Congress and the American people never would have allowed FDR to declare war on Japan or Germany; FDR knew this, and he also knew how important it really was that America join in the war against fascism and imperialism.

The most direct evidence of antagonisms toward Japan is the McCollum Memo written October 7th 1940 (declassified in 1994) that was given to FDR as well as the actions that were later taken by the administration."

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/fdr_provoked_the_japanese_attack.htm

The fact is that FDR knew about the Japanese ransacking Manchuria, China, and Southeast Asia and taking all their thousands of years of accumulated treasures...like gold and jewels. After the US gained control of the Philippines they managed to get a lot of that buried gold and other treasures that the Japanese hid on those Islands and scuttled just offshore. At one time, the US had 80 per cent of the world's gold...much of it from Operation Golden Lily...the Japanese operation of looting their neighbors. The US never gave any of this back to their rightful owners...largely the Chinese.

I watched part of a program on Link TV about Chinese Kindergarten kids who all had a deep hatred for the Japanese. They wanted to grow up to be scientists to build tanks and weapons in order to attack the Japanese. They said that the Japanese were enemies that did very bad things to the Chinese and stole all their money and things.

The US probably will deserve their eventual downfall, at the hands of the Chinese and/or the rest of the world, for having kept all of that gold and for not only helping the Japanese become an economic power once again but also hanging only a few token Japanese war criminals and letting the real bad war criminals go...and even assisted them in many ways. The Japanese war criminals, who should have been hanged, were helped to attain prominent positions high up in the Japanese government.

They even gave Ishii, the head of the Japanese biological warfare experimental camp in Manchuria where they did horrible things to people, a nice cushy job as a consultant at Ft. Deitrick, Md. chemical/biological warfare compound.

The Japanese had their own special propaganda that tried to hide all of their horrible things they did to the Chinese...like making sport of cutting off heads and bayoneting many of the civilians and making prostitutes out of the young Chinese girls.

Interesting Hawaiian court case of Roger Roxas against Imelda Marcos: read the Background portion:
http://uniset.ca/other/cs6/969P2d1209.html

The sooner the 99%ers learn more about how advanced and enlightened the european style of govt. is, the sooner the Romney and Rompublicans govt. style of...."crime state for the rich"....will end. I hope the occupy movement succeeds at this push for restoration of true representational govt. for all. We the 99% have no choice, it must succeed, or we face total economic feudal like submission to the likes of tyrants like Romney. We all need to become occupy patriots.... and fight on!

Palindromedary, there are lots of progressives in the Democratic Party. The GOP is a bunch of fascists. You're dumping the baby with the bath water. Do you want to punish all Americans for having been such awful imperialists? We were imperialists indeed -- in this point you're right. But now I want us to be just reasonable.

My goal is education and I know this is Obama's goal. The GOP wants to keep Americans stupid. And we are dumb: we have very smart people, but a whole lot of foolish hicks. We need to adapt our average education level to the European continent (not U.K.!). And this is possible with Obama. You can't make progressive politics with a bunch of foolish hicks. Educated people tend more to progressive ideas and you should actually like this point.

You have no better solution. What do you wanna do? Start a violent revolt? I mean, you don't seem to go for democratic election. Do you think we shouldn't have elections at all? Do you already have machine guns in the basement? You really ARE creepy, although you have much more brains than Berry. And maybe this makes ya even creepier. A few days ago you already told me you're afraid they might send you to Guantanamo.... Because you're planing crazy things or what? Maybe I should expain to you why parlamentarism, voting, political institutions that control each other ect. is the only way to keep a society peaceful. You absolutely expect heaven on earth and if you can't get it, you rather have hell than reality. Political-manic disorder I'd call that flatout. Very, very dangerous. We have lots of crazy people indeed in the U.S. and this is dangerous. You can abuse them for attacking Iraq -- or just for crazy political ideas. Very, very creepy!

By the way MaryMary, honey: I like unions very much..... please not Reagan!

Berry, you're advocationg mass-murder. Ron Paul is planning to starve poor Americans. You really wanna kill lots of your fellow Americans? Here are many creepy commentators who have brains at least. You are creepy and you can't reason at all. You actually need basic education, before doing this here.....

Either you're ruthless, or you don't even listen to Ron Paul. I heard and saw him say on-screen, he would do away with all public security. This is mass-murder! I'm not trying to convince you. I actually think, Thom Hartmann should cut you off -- on my blog you would be just banned. You're not discussing, you're campaigning for this dangerous Ron Paul.

I won't convince you ever. Just warn the rest..... You Ron Paul guys are a threat.

CS: No, I don't have a basement full of machine guns! I don't have a basement...nor machine guns. I'm no "lone nut" nor willing to die a martyr. It takes a massive uprising to put down a criminal and corrupt system.

And as for Japan...for what they did in China....and Pearl Harbor...I am glad we kicked the cr^p out of them but the FDR administration did a 911 on the American people and willingly sacrificed a couple of thousand sitting duck servicemen and civilians in Hawaii. They further went on to put the blame on a couple of honorable men who were set up to take the blame for the Pearl Harbor attack. The US might have had a case for war when the USS Panay was sunk near Nanking. An almost repeat situation happened when Israel "mistakenly"...yeah right...didn't see the American flags then either...yeah right...attacked the USS Liberty in 1967. It took a war to fix a democracy-gone-awry in Nazi Germany so why do you think our current corrupt system has any hope? The ruling elite is like Adolph Hitler. They are obviously all out for world conquest and mass murder. They use the corrupt election system, the Republican and Democrat fakirs, as puppet dictators.

I agree that there are characteristics of Ron Paul that are extremely distasteful and he is also a puppet for the ruling elite. I would be truly ticked off if they mess with social security or other social programs.

But it looks like Obama is out to destroy Social Security as well. Obamacare was just a givaway to the HealthScare industry and will force people to pay lots of their savings to a corrupt insurance scam. So, in that respect, why vote for Obama? Is he really the least "evil" we have "? ...no other choice" in voting for? Or is someone like Ron Paul? At least Ron Paul says we are over-extended militarily...but then that is just what "he says".

These are all politicians who are saying what they think potential voters want to hear. What they will actually do when they get into office is another matter. They will all tow the line for the gestapo ruling elite. So why even vote? Why continue the charade that we have a democracy? The only thing that keeps these charades in check is when the people get so outraged that they stop voting and start actively rebelling! If you vote...you are just playing their game and you are being played the fool...the sucker who clings to false hope that things will change for the better.

But I just think that if Ron Paul was part of the Presidential debates with Obama, he would not let Obama or any other participant get away with avoiding the really important issues. I think Obama would wipe the floor with any of the other Republican candidates but he would not be able to get off so easily if he were debating Ron Paul.

Oh, and "elections" gave Hitler his political career too. And people in Germany, at the time, were easily led to supporting their democratic system. They too were easily wooed into believing in the "terrorists" of their times as well. They too were easily psyched out of their freedoms for what they believed was for their security. They too had their "homeland security" special renditioning people and taking them to prison camps and tortured and killed too.

The technology at the time was Zyklon B and huge ovens and big pits....the US now uses stealthy flying drones and computer guided death from the air..... controlled from some remote outpost that could be on the other side of the world...even in the US.

We've got high tech helicopter gunships that can work in tandem with other helicopter gunships that can wipe out anyone trying to hide behind buildings or other objects. We have high tech infra-red and computer assisted aiming devices that recognize bodies moving in the dead of night. Too bad they are not smart enough to distinguish between adult "enemy" and civilian children...not that it would matter much to these "brave warriors". It's like playing a video game and not much more risky for the players.

The world called it "genocide" or "holocaust" back in WWII but the US now calls it "collateral damage" when they wipe out civilians in the Middle East. The US just decentralized mass murder. And we have a President that is just having a ball presiding over it all. No wonder he has backed off of going after the war criminal Bush regime...he now has his own...and is now just as criminal and guilty of war crimes as well. I wonder if Washington will ever build a Holocaust museum for all of the millions of Iraqis and other Middle Eastern men, women, and children the US has managed to murder?

That's right! Obama is not really a Progressive or Liberal nor anything we thought he was when we voted for him the first time. No good reason to vote for him this time! He was a two timer and will not be a two term President by my vote. He may have fooled a lot of people again...and those people deserve what they get. Don't count on Social Security being one of them. Obama has tried to destroy Social Security because he is really owned by Wall Street. At least with Ron Paul, if we can believe his campaign schtick or rhetoric we would be seriously working to stop the wasteful military spending and subsequent murdering innocent people around the world. It's nice to hear what you want to hear but is much nicer to see the results. We heard what we wanted to hear from Obama before he was elected but he either wimped out or he outright sold us out after he was elected. Would Ron Paul do the same? Probably!

Excuse the "democratic" typo above, I just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them!

Re: Obama; actions speak louder than words.

To quote from David Sirota:

To review the basic Paul profile: When it comes to government social spending and regulation, Paul is more antithetical to progressive goals than any candidate running for the White House. This is indisputable. At the same time, though, when it comes to war, surveillance, police power, bank bailouts, cutting the defense budget, eliminating corporate welfare and civil liberties, Paul is more in line with progressive goals than any candidate running in 2012 (or almost any Democrat who has held a federal office in the last 30 years). This, too, is indisputable.

Clarissa, It appears that when it comes to war, surveillance, police power, bank bailouts, cutting the defense budget, eliminating corporate welfare and civil liberties, you are willing to trade these issues... in exchange for the hope that the democratic establishment will fight for the middle and lower classes economic welfare.

I say Obama and the Democratic establishment are a threat to world peace and my civil liberties. and I am not willing to make that trade in the hope...

Clarissa,

FYI, I am a progressive, and I DO NOT listen to Fox news. if Obama was against perpectual war, protected my civil liberties, was against the bank bailouts & eliminating corporate welfare, I'd be an Obama Nut!

Clarissa,

Please do not take it so personal.

Just as you find it hard to believe that a progressive could put such a high value on perpectual war and civil liberties, I as a child of the sixties find it hard that you can not.

It's not meant to disregard what you value, we just have different priorities. Sadly, the democratic party ain't what it used to be. As a middle class citizen, I can no longer hope that they have my best interest in mind (nor that of the least among us).

Best Regards!

they (1%) will not stop while there is any hope of squeezing more $ out of the economy.

Quote Palindrome: And as for Japan...for what they did in China....and Pearl Harbor...I am glad we kicked the cr^p out of them but the FDR administration did a 911 on the American people and willingly sacrificed a couple of thousand sitting duck servicemen and civilians in Hawaii. They further went on to put the blame on a couple of honorable men who were set up to take the blame for the Pearl Harbor attack. The US might have had a case for war when the USS Panay was sunk near Nanking. An almost repeat situation happened when Israel "mistakenly"...yeah right...didn't see the American flags then either...yeah right...attacked the USS Liberty in 1967. It took a war to fix a democracy-gone-awry in Nazi Germany so why do you think our current corrupt system has any hope? The ruling elite is like Adolph Hitler. They are obviously all out for world conquest and mass murder. They use the corrupt election system, the Republican and Democrat fakirs, as puppet dictators.

Yipp-yipp-yipp-yippee! I can do it too!

Dear Clarissa,

You are so wrong. Regan is the first and only president who was a union member before becoming President. He was a member of the screen actors guilde. He also served as its' president for 8 or 9 years. No other president, neither democrat nor republican nor any other party have been union members. Na Na

Clarissa, I'm not familiar with Stefanie Miller, so I can't comment. You stated, "Yes, Reagan was hypocritical in this matter indeed, for he treated labor unions really mean." Other then firing the air traffic controllers, who broke the law with an illegal strike against the government, give me examples of how he was mean to Unions. I'm a former officer in a union. I quit unions, not because of Regan but because of unions themselves. Unions need to listen to its "rank and file" members. Until they do that, unions will continue to see membership dwindle.