GOP "whistle-blowers" blow the lid off Republican talking points.

Yesterday, Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives postponed all floor votes so they could hold their ninth hearing about Benghazi. Instead of working on any number of pressing issues effecting Americans, Republicans spent nine hours on a political witch hunt.

Unsurprisingly, their so-called “whistleblowers,” who were supposed to blow the lid off some huge conspiracy, ended up debunking many of the right-wing talking points we've heard about the attack. As the Think Progress Blog explains, yesterday's testimony made clear that F-16s could not have prevented the second wave of attacks, Hillary Clinton did not lie about diplomatic cables, and the only reason a Special Forces Team was told not to deploy to Benghazi, is that another team was already on its way.

So, Republicans wasted nine hours and countless tax-payer dollars on a hearing that confirmed everything they've been told in the previous eight hearings they've held about the attack. The only thing being covered up here is the fact that last year, the GOP voted to cut the U.S. Embassy security funding by $300 million dollars.

Instead of politicizing the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, House Republicans could have focused on our economy, on bringing jobs back from overseas, or reversing the austerity measures that are gutting our vital agencies. But, they won't do any of those things because there's a chance it could help President Obama.

Republicans should stop wasting time and get to work on the issues most Americans actually care about. We get it – you hate the president, and want to prevent Hillary Clinton from running in 2016. Now get to work.

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Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Yes, I know, those Republicans couldn't even come out with a believable story about 911 (except they sure have fooled a lot of people, to this day, including a lot of Democrats..go figure!). Their conspiracy theory about Benghazi really had even fewer holes in it than 911. Remember, it was the REPUBLICANS, the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, that gave us their 911 conspiracy theory of 19 box cutter wielding Muslim hijackers who, despite not even being able to fly Cessna planes very well, managed to hijack and steer those huge airliners all the way to New York, or the Pentagon in Virginia, and accurately hit those WTC towers and the Pentagon. You believe that "official conspiracy theory" story, put out by the Republicans, but not their Benghazi story?

I'd say the 911 story is way more important. It is real treason committed by the same people who are in control of us all now. You think the Republicans, or their puppet masters the ruling elite, are not in control of us just because we have a "Democrat" President? Quit defending the weak kneed toady that won't even speak out against the treasonous previous administration. He's part of the problem. After all, look who he has consistently appointed. All criminals that caused our financial problems in the first place. Deregulation, and treasonous creators of the false flag operation on 911 are the real reason why this country is in such bad financial shape (except for the people who committed that treason...because they have never had it so good). It is the real reason why we are being spied on and the reason why many of our freedoms have been stripped from us. And our ability to communicate and say things on the internet is in jeopardy as well. We are constantly under attack by both Republicans, Democrats, and their puppet masters...the ruling elite.

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Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Feds in NYC: Hackers Stole $45M in ATM Card Breach

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/feds-nyc-hackers-stole-45m-atm-card-b...
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"Home Run"
Electronically Hijacking the WTC Attack Aircraft

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/homerun.htm
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/op911.htm

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TakeTheCannoli 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Senor Sanchez raised an interesting point during Thom's May 9 show about the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi on September 11, 2012. He said it's possible the attack was precipitated by the U.S. holding militia prisoners there. The attack may have been an attempt to free them.

This view was raised by Paula Broadwell, a former intelligence officer, and the mistress of General David Petraus. She said this at the University of Denver on October 26, 2012:

"Now I don’t know if a lot of you heard this,” she replied, “but the CIA annex had actually—had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. So that’s still being vetted.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/11/alleged-petraeus-mistre...

So far I haven't heard of any results of this vetting. Did the CIA operate a "black site" -- replete with (ahem) "enhanced interrogation" -- at Benghazi? Did Ms. Broadwell leak classified information at her Denver speech? These are questions I wish the House would have pursued at any of its nine hearings on this tragic incident.

But we do know one thing: General Petraus resigned his position as Director of the CIA on November 9, 2012 -- 14 days after Ms. Broadwell's speech.

TimFromLA 9 years 38 weeks ago
#4

Hey Thom, did you read this?

http://tinyurl.com/cus7fdm

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PhilipHenderson 9 years 38 weeks ago
#5

Republican leaders in Congress listen to the people who got them in office, big business and billionaires. They follow the bidding of big monied interests, and care not at all for the people. Look at what is happening to Lindsey Graham. Because he spoke truthfully about a matter and complimented President Obama, he is being attacked by the Tea Party. These guys eat their children. They behave more like a domestic terrorist organization than a political party seeking the betterment of the people.

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johnbest 9 years 38 weeks ago
#6

The right-wing extremists on the radio have been blasting President Obama all day about Benghazi. What they are all saying is a total F'ing lie. hannity has been whining for a week now about Benghazi saying that it is all "obama's" and Hillary's fault. He lied when he said that no ambassador has been killed in over thiry years. This is a total F'ing lie. I emailed him last week and called him out but he is still spreading the damn lie.

Here are the facts from Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/18/1187897/-Dear-Senator-McCain-STFU

Daily Kos said in February that there were 14 attacks on U.S. Embassies between 2002 and 2008, all under the BUSH administration. In these attacks, 72 people were wounded and 49 were killed including eight Americans

and one ambassador. NO CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WERE CALLED FOR.

A security brief issued in August 2001 warned Bush that Bin Laden was planning a big attack in the US. Bush ignored it and over 3,000 innocent people were murdered. NO CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WERE CALLED FOR

On top of all this, Reagan got over 200 marines killed in Lebanon. NO CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WERE CALLED FOR

To top it all off, the Republicon Congress cut President Obama’s embassy

budget $128 million in 2011 and another $231 million in 2012.

How dare that F'ing criminal daryl issa call for hearings. These bastards are obviously setting up

Hillary for failure because they want to steal the presidency.

This bullshit in the House needs to be terminated, lying bastard republicans.

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Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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See, that's how they (the Republicans) play the game..keep Democrats always in a defensive posture. Maybe the Democrats should finally attack the Republicans for their Bush administration high treason against the country on 911. But Democrats are not very good at going on the defensive...they must like being on the defensive all the time. They just wanna be like Obama..can't we all just, just get along? Let's compromise! Let's not dwell on the past..let's look forward! Well, the Republicans aren't forgetting the past nor looking forward...they are always on the attack...as Democrats should have been all along.

And talk about "whistle blowers"!! The only thing Obama has done is prosecute "whistle blowers". Obama's the problem...and I am not even a Republican..I voted for Obama the first time when he pretended to be on our side but not the second time. I saw him for what he was/is...certainly doesn't represent us...the majority of the people in the US. He is just a sell out to the ruling elite.

The right wing extremists are just a distraction while Obama slams in a home run for the ruling elite while keeping his beguiled flock of Democrats fooled and placid.

Democrats...the party of pussies...real scaredy-cats and whiners....meow!

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ptg0 9 years 38 weeks ago
#8

Funny, I just dont see the effort from Democrats to counter the attacks from the republiCONs. They are both in this together and the only ones benifieting from all of this.

I really dont want to hear any more about Clinton running. Both of them would sell their mothers for $5.00 just like they sold US out.

The Chinese are right. We are governed by war mongering idiots.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Quote Palindromedary: See, that's how they (the Republicans) play the game..keep Democrats always in a defensive posture. Maybe the Democrats should finally attack the Republicans for their Bush administration high treason against the country on 911.

Yet again you are right my friend. After all, that is what Barack Obama promised the American people on his first campaign tour. In fact, he won my vote when he was asked straight out, "If elected would you investigate the Bush administration for war crimes?" He said, "yes".

Then he gets elected and says, "Let's put the past behind us." I haven't felt as betray or as screwed since Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned him for all crimes. B. S. We the People deserve better from our elected officials than a bloody puppet show.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
#10

Palindromedary ~ You are absolutely right about the Democrats needing to be more offensive. This is ridiculous. The Democrats are supported by the majority of the people. They are usually on the side of the peoples issues! On the other hand the Republicans are supported by a small minority of the vast population. When unemployment and poverty are widespread and the Republicans seek to disarm the safety net programs they welcome resentment from the vast majority of the American Populace. In short, they are outnumbered and outgunned; and, yet still are able to intimidate the majority party. Give me a break! Just how stupid do they think we are?

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Loren Bliss 9 years 38 weeks ago
#11

DAnneMarc (in belated reply to your comments on my posts of 3 May apropos the collapse of the United States into regional republics): thank you for your response. Given the givens, I suspect you might also appreciate my blog, Outside Agitator's Notebook, at lorenbliss.typepad.com. It is a unique hybrid of political commentary, photography, history, and memoir, typically refreshed once per week, usually on Thursdays, though this weel's post will probably not go up until tomorrow due to the huge anger that prompted it, which necessitates both some technical work on a photograph and a lot of editing on the text.

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2950-10K 9 years 38 weeks ago
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So why the hell didn't the Democrats shut down the Bush government during the 12 embassy attacks and 53 deaths under his watch? Oh I forgot, that would have been impolite and like being on offense.

While we're on the subject of wasting taxpayer money, I hear Cantor and his House of Self-serventatives want to repeal the Health Insurance Reform Act, again, the one that makes health insurance affordable for all. What we need is a House Sons of Liberty Party to paddle the House Teabaggers little asses. Of course I forgot once again, that would be impolite.... Democrats forever the persecuted party, always cowering in the corner.....what a bunch of wimps.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Quote 2950-10K: Democrats forever the persecuted party, always cowering in the corner.....what a bunch of whimps.

You are so right, my friend. However, I would love to ask Senator Bernie Sanders about the Secret Society issue spoken of so well by President Kennedy. I wonder as to what extent that Secret Society has "expanded its sphere of influence" inside the halls of Congress. After all, if after being elected you were approached with an offer you could not refuse; such as, do what you are told and reap riches, disobey and die, what would you chose?

It certainly seems to be, from what I have witnessed going on within these esteemed walls that there is an unseen hand of unwarranted and unsought influence in effect that we should try to identify and eliminate--either by purely legal means, or by physical public insistence of Campaign Finance Reform and the repeal of Citizen's United.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
#14

Loren Bliss ~ I have already checked out your blog, Outside Agitator's Notebook, the first time you mentioned it. It is quite a read and I do recommend it to others on this blog. I will look forward to reading your latest post tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up and the response.

That is:

http://lorenbliss.typepad.com/

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Mored 9 years 38 weeks ago
#15

I haven 't followed the Bengahazi attacks a lot but I clearly remember Hillary and Barack standing in front of the world telling eveyone the attack was because of a video. In my opinion, that was one of the most embarassing moments in US history!!

douglas m 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Repubilcans in control equals losing 750,000 jobs a month

Democrats somewhat in control adding 150,000 jobs a month

Guess who is going to win in the next election?

Not the mud slingers

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Quote Palindromedary:Remember, it was the REPUBLICANS, the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, that gave us their 911 conspiracy theory of 19 box cutter wielding Muslim hijackers who, despite not even being able to fly Cessna planes very well, managed to hijack and steer those huge airliners all the way to New York, or the Pentagon in Virginia, and accurately hit those WTC towers and the Pentagon.

Funny you should mention that my friend. I remember going to work the days following 911. One of my engineering colleagues joked for months when we met together in the warehouse. He would grab a box cutter and point it at me and say, "Give me your plane." We would both break out in laughter at the absurdity of the idea that any one or group could hijack a plane with merely box cutters. Let's face reality...In a closed confined space like a plane, nothing short of a gun is going to give anyone an advantage over a large group of people--or for that matter the three pilots in the cockpit. Remember, this wasn't a library, this was a plane and people are already fearing for their lives after takeoff. People summon vast amounts of courage when their lives are threatened. I just don't think a box cutter is going to trump that fear. Sorry, Ken Ware.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Quote Palindromedary: I'd say the 911 story is way more important. It is real treason committed by the same people who are in control of us all now. You think the Republicans, or their puppet masters the ruling elite, are not in control of us just because we have a "Democrat" President?

So true my friend. However, remember the infamous phone call to President Johnson about the deal struck with North Vietnam by former Vice President--and future President Richard Nixon? Was not President Johnson a Democrat as well? Did he not describe the deal as "treasonous?" Treason has existed in this government far before Bush, Obama and even Reagan. The problem is we did not nip the problem in the bud. Now it has blossomed into a huge tree that is going to take a lot more energy to remove; meanwhile, it has cast its shadow over the entire planet. (By the way, this is a message to future generations! Don't put off till tomorrow a job that needs to be done today. It will just be harder to accomplish!)

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Loren Bliss 9 years 38 weeks ago
#20

DAnneMarc...Must be getting (too) old; I usually remember such mentions, particularly because I only make them in response to writers whose thinking is sufficiently clear and provocative it leaves a substantial impression. Now though OAN has enough readers both stateside and elsewhere I probably should start keeping a referral list. (For some strange reason, readers in Eastern Europe may have difficulty accessing TypePad, hence I also post OAN on Blogger: http://lorenbliss-outsideagitatorsnotebook.blogspot.com/ )

Anyway, many many many thanks!

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
#21

Loren Bliss ~ Please don't mention it! Thank you!!

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JessieV 9 years 38 weeks ago
#22

Benghazi Timeline----I went through my Benghazi file and found an interesting article.

The attack on the Benghazi mission began at 9:30pm Sept 11. About 10:45pm American security forces try to retake the mission compound but do not succeed so they retreat to a second compound. At 1:30am eight American security officers arrive at Benghazi airport and drive to the second compound accompanied by Libyan militiamen. At 2am as they were leaving the second compound to go to the mission, they come under severe attack again which lasts 5 minutes,...this is where Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty are killed. By 2:30am both compounds are in control by American and Libyan forces.

The entire disruption lasted 5 hours.

At 6:30am the surviving staff members fly from Benghazi to Tripoli. Two hours later a second plane leaves with the bodies of the four fallen Americans.

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
#23

JessieV ~ You wouldn't happen to be Jessie Ventura, are you?

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Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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DAnneMarc: Hey, man, thanks for all those supportive quotes! By the way, I don't think that JessieV is Jesse Ventura...because the name is spelled differently and because Jesse Ventura was born in 1951. JessieV says that he went to the University of California/Berkeley in the early 50s. I really like Jesse Ventura though...even know where he lives in Baja Mexico when he lives there. And thanks, JessieV for that information.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Very good article by Thom Hartmann on hospital charges:

http://www.alternet.org/one-hospital-charges-8000-another-charges-38000-...

And here is the database:
https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Tren...

And here is the Microsoft Excel Version:
https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Tren...

If you don't have Microsoft Excel you can download the free Microsoft Excel reader from microsoft.

I just looked at the prices...in various areas for various medical services and zowie!! Very expensive!! And the prices do vary a lot from hospital to hospital.

There is also a CSV version as well at that site.

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
#26
Quote Thom Hartmann: Hospitals have gone out of their way for years to hide their procedure price lists, almost as if they were national secrets. But not anymore, because the cat is finally out of the bag.

That's for sure! I remember when my father passed away I got a bill for the AARP supplemental copay in the mail 6 months later for almost $700 for a one night stay. I called the insurance company to tell them my father passed away and I had to pay the bill; but, before paying I'd like to see an itemized invoice. They refused, saying, "Only your father can request such an invoice." I said, "Then maybe you can dig up my father and have him pay your bill."

They were most unreasonable. Finally, they insisted that if I could prove that I had power of attorney over his estate, or were his legal guardian then I could request the invoice. Shocked, and far beyond pissed-off, I complied. Apparently, being his son, and he being dead, meant nothing to these imbeciles.

Then I recieved the bill. Mind you this was just an overnight stay, he died early the following morning after being admitted the night before. He had previously requested in writing not to be connected to any life support or have any procedures to artificially prolong his life. He had an oxygen mask, a gown, a bed, and sedatives provided only. The full bill paid by his insurance, $40,000.

So to those of you who don't think we can afford Obama care, ask yourself if you can afford to die without it.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
#27

Palindromedary ~ Thanks for the heads up about JessieV. At first I had high hopes that Governor Ventura was participating in our discourse. However, now I see I've mistaken an even more esteemed gentleman for the restless Governor. Sorry for the mistake JessieV. Pleased to make your acquaintance, sir!

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megalomaniac 9 years 38 weeks ago
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GOP "whistle-blowers" condemn immigration, the poor, the aged, the sick the hungry and all of the huddled masses, the middle classes. It is so obnoxious, obstructionist, with death panels, war mongering, deficits are O.K., cut spending, but make more tanks, torture is O.K. don’t close Gitmo, and arrest and jail any black man that is smoking rope. Cheating on your wife is cool too especially on tax dollars. But Clinton did it without leaving the office. The next white house dress code is young black men wear their pants hangging off there ass, all girls wear short, short hot pants.

Get this Rush Limbaugh said for the Republicans to stop talking about Benghazi. Probably some body found out the other side of the of Limbaugh’s Golden Microphone is connected to Al Qaeda Libya via Citi corp. Had to say that though it was so funny, but seriously the Arabs have a huge influence in Fox news and money flowing in banks that are part of the radio station holding companies.

Romney and Prince Alwaleed's Kingdom likely share the same post office box number in the Cayman Islands. Next door the Bush Post office box. Hay buckaroo’s Alwaleed is suggesting to selling off his Hotel stuff. You who did you get that. Hope Penny Pritzker kicks his camels in the ass Chicago style. If she needs any help just send me an email.

While the Democratic Party trumpets Gabriel’s horn! It is convincing to be optimistic, plus being a certified political maniac my outlook is in favor of what Thom says especially a few weeks ago where the economy should tank. The stock market is wired and ready for the “Sting”. Chucky Todo of MSNBC made a cool millisecond comment about another high frequency trading spike that happened in the stock market.

Seriously, the stock market jumped thousands of points in the last couple of months. You who did you get that. The mainstream economic mercenaries did not say a word about it, I am missing something here. From 11,000 or so to 15,000 yahoo is a money miracle from my view. Ladies and gentleman of America something is happening. It might be a billionaire’s war going on.

This one is the coolest; these billionaires could be fighting to embrace the middle class boomers.

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chuckle8 9 years 38 weeks ago
#29

Mored -- I remembering them saying it was terrorist attack, but like you I wasn't paying that much attention.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 38 weeks ago
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Palindromedary has an interesting argument about 911

Quote Palindromedary: By shifting the plane's position so radically, Flight 77 managed to hit the side of the Pentagon *directly opposite* the side on which the offices of the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chief of Staff were located. (Coincidentally, Flight 77 hit the offices of Army operations (U.S. News an World Report, Sept. 14, 2001, pg. 25).

Palindromedary further says

Quote Palindromedary:Recall, it was the Army that warned of the possibility that Israel's Mossad might make a terror attack against the US.) The masterminds of Operation 911 were prepared to sacrifice the rank and file, but carefully avoided touching a hair on the head of the brass.**

Palindromedary then concludes:

Quote Palindromedary:It reminds one of Operation Northwoods, doesn't it? Remember the rank and file sailors who were to be sacrificed on a US Naval vessel in Guantanamo Bay, in order to justify war with Cuba? No, neither Hanjour nor any other Muslim suicide pilot was at the controls of this plane. It had been fitted with Global Hawk technology and was being remotely controlled.

SAMS The Army School of Advanced Military Studies stated on September 10th

Quote The Army School of Advanced Military Studies:The Army's School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS ) thinks Israel is capable of doing exactly that. On September 10, 2001, The Washington Times ran a front page story which quoted SAMS officers: "Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'" ("US troops would enforce peace under Army study," Washington Times, Sept.. 10, 2001, pg. A1, 9.)
Palindromedary then summerizes
Quote Palindromedary: Just 24 hours after this story appeared, the Pentagon was hit and the Arabs were being blamed.

Wow, dude! What a flawless, airtight argument! Bravo!! Just wanted to make sure our friend Ken got to read it. Can't wait for his take on this one.

Hey!! This quoting tool is fun! I hope I didn't get too carried away. LOL I need the practice.
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Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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DAnneMarc: Lookin' good!! And thanks for quoting me again. I know, it just looks like so much went on that just doesn't fit the original official conspiracy theory. Whether Israel was behind it, or whether conspirators in high places in the US did it, or whether they colluded together...perhaps even with Saudi Arabia...and Bin Laden...and ISI in Pakistan..we have just got to keep the pressure on and keep this thing very visible. I'm sure the real conspirators would just wish the whole thing would just disappears and no one would question the official government conspiracy theory.

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Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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DAnneMarc: Lookin' good!! And thanks for quoting me again. I know, it just looks like so much went on that just doesn't fit the original official conspiracy theory. Whether Israel was behind it, or whether conspirators in high places in the US did it, or whether they colluded together...perhaps even with Saudi Arabia...and Bin Laden...and ISI in Pakistan..we have just got to keep the pressure on and keep this thing very visible. I'm sure the real conspirators would just wish the whole thing would just disappears and no one would question the official government conspiracy theory.

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Palindromedary 9 years 38 weeks ago
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MMmmNACHOS 9 years 38 weeks ago
#34

PALINDROMEDARY; "And if you want to 'move past endless debates' well than the same thing could be said in the future for what is happening right now. It will always be 'lets just move on'...just like Obama said."

I do understand your point; it is good to investigate, unresolved crimes, and questionable conclusions, ones that are just to neat and convienent. However that being said you are missing my point; I am not implying that we just "burry our heads in the sand"; such arrogant behaviour leads to further hostility and is a big part of this mess. More so I am saying that the debate we need to be having is one that discusses new Foreign Policy; one that is diplomatic and respectfull of other Soverning Nations and leads to true peace and fruitful relations.

YES WE KNOW THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT (the who), has for decades been meddleing (militarily and socially) in the political affairs of the Middle East - this has been their (Middle Easterners) biggest grievence, and has lead to what is known as blow back; killing many innocent lives and causing many more to become paranoid. It is driven by anti Islamic bigotry, jingoism and fear mongering, brought about by greedy and agressive companies that capitalize on on such ignorance. WE (Americans) must STOP waisting time getting caught up in "Who Shot JR" cliff hanger discussions. Especially when we have decades (60 years worth) of information that proves the U.S. Government's involvment in the political affairs of the Middle East.
For me this is what matters most, and it frustraits me that others, i.e you and Ken Ware - get so caught up in moot debates about electronically Hijacked planes, yet still play into the two party (really one party; Wall Street) system come election time.

Our best weapon against the United States of Corporations, and a government that has become destructive of the basic principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence, is Civil Disobedience and Non Violent Resistance. Hit this government in the pocket where it really counts by protesting, strikiing, boycotting, and sabotaging the companies that write and push policies that not just undermind, but more so dismantle, the U.S. Constitution so that they may push aside We the People and capitalize on Empire Building, Growing the Military Industrial Complex, Dimminishing the Middle Class, Dismantleing Unions, keep wages low, and murdering innocent people and those that have not received a fair and proper trial. All for the sake of fattening their greedy pockets.

I really don't for one second believe this government would murder millions of its own people here in the U.S. - not that they wouldn't try to, through use of force, thwart and undermind our efforts - for protesting against corporate greed and demanding TRUE Justice by charging and bringing to trial ALL those who commited war crimes, fraud, and corruption against Americans and others.

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180A 9 years 37 weeks ago
#35

It seems painfully obvious that from 9/12/12 onward the Obama administration's primary concern in reacting to Benghazi was political. How do we deal with: we ignored threat warnings; we didn't pre-position reaction forces pre-9/11; we didn't deploy available assets on 9/11; and that despite our claims to the contrary, al-Qaida isn't dead? Secretary of State Kerry and other Democrats who "learned nothing new" from this week's hearing evidently knew this to be true before hearing the witnesses. It was clearly obvious from day one, based on new reports alone, that it was an attack. No one, not even a jihadi, takes a crew served weapon, such as a mortar, to a "demonstration". Were any mortars reported in the massive demonstrations leading to Mubarak's downfall? "Response to a video" was Bovine Scatology.

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Palindromedary 9 years 37 weeks ago
#36

MMmmNachos: Well, I agree with most of what you said except this:

Quote MMmmNachos:
For me this is what matters most, and it frustraits me that others, i.e you and Ken Ware - get so caught up in moot debates about electronically Hijacked planes, yet still play into the two party (really one party; Wall Street) system come election time.

I'd say Ken's side of the argument is "moot". But, aside from that...hey...we're having fun. Ken likes to get mad and call people names and pretend he is tough. He's having fun. I'm having fun because I am laughing at him.

You don't really think that anything anyone, including me, has to say here is going to even matter? And it seems like we are all saying the same things over and over and over again, anyway. What does it really matter that we repeatedly attack the Republicans over the same kinds of things?

We may as well be discussing "Who Killed JFK" or for that matter "Who Killed Cock Robin". It is just not going to matter? You are right of course that taking a course of action that will hurt the ruling elite in their pockets will speak much louder than words. Taking to the streets en masse will matter way more than our b1tching about things. Some of us are not as young as we used to be and some may not be physically able to take to the streets. And all they have, in order to feel they matter, is by expressing their views. Hopefully they are helping to formulate in the reader's minds an inspiration to do more than just type stuff. But, I have a feeling that most of the young are more turned on with communications like LMFAO and LOL on their cell phones than the tomes that some of us are prone to type on a blog.

I also do not suffer the illusion that what I, or anyone else, says about 911 is going to make any difference either. So many people have their minds already made up and locked into place using the official conspiracy theory as truth that they will continue to see anyone else with a different theory as conspiracy nuts. No matter what kind of evidence or solid reasoning behind the arguments people have already been psyched out to believe in the official conspiracy theory. They still trust the government even after all that has happened to them over the years. I guess you just can't fix stupid!

So, what it really amounts to is that no matter what we are saying...some of us are doing it because it is fun. They are certainly not paying us...not all of us anyway...there are those paid shills and sock puppets paid by entities wanting to ensure that there is enough confusion to sway people away from anything but the official line. Just like THEY own the major news media...THEY have to influence what people read on the internet. They have to manipulate people so they don't get the truth or at least instill doubt in their minds about people learning the truth.

Those with all the gold have to use lots of psyops propaganda in order to ensure that the hordes of downtrodden don't get uppity one day and decide to take it all away from them by force. They know that they have been overly piggish but they are so greedy they will push us to a breaking point.

Their game is to keep us confused and doubtful and very scared of challenging them. They try to keep us afraid of and distracted by the boogey man terrorist. It used to be the Soviet Union, then various other boogey men. One day, when people see through their terrorist boogey man threats...they'll turn to invaders from outer space! Reagan already tried that.

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Palindromedary 9 years 37 weeks ago
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MMmmNachos: And by the way you said that we still play into the two party system at election time. That's not correct...I voted outside of the two party system the last time. I didn't get suckered into falling for that scare tactic that the Democrats was trying to use to get us to vote Democrat again. Yes, Romney was terrible...but at least he wasn't lying through his teeth about the things Obama was. Obama's lies the first time was enough to convince me that he wouldn't be any different the second time around.

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chuckle8 9 years 37 weeks ago
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Sounds like a democracy to me. That is, to state that "no matter what I say it will make no difference". How else could one feel when their vote is only one of 200 million or whatever the number of registered voters is.

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