Alice... Ha! Glad you & Loren finally worked it out! BTW Loren...My activist emails seem to get disappeared by AOL or ATT as well. So much for freedom of speech! I am dreading the day when the FCC inevitably brings down the hammer on this site by making it impossible for Thom to shell out big enough bucks to CoNcast for speeds high enough to grant us access. I can see it now, you can sign up for the "unlimited web access package" for just $5000/month, or the "commercial website package" for $50. You can have your web site broadcast in the slow lane for just $10,000/mo. As I speak, Dr. Steven Cohen has been cut off by CoNcast twice. CoNcast owns Thom's communications and the Heritage Foundation owns his building. (Yesterday, they tried to roast him out by turning off off his AC.) How much longer will we enjoy the camaraderie of fellow Critical thinkers? Sheez, Anyhooo, Alice, after the "holiday" (gee aren't you proud to be an American?) maybe next week, we will set a time for you, with your husband, to meet me in the chat room and exchange emails. If you are on the West Coast, I am 3 hours ahead of you. Happy American Empire Conquest Day!
MMmmNACHOS ~ GREAT to have you back! What happened? We've been somewhat concerned.
Sorry to hear about your grandma. I know that can keep one busy. However, you're not alone. A lot of people I know are in the same boat. It's hard to blog when you're that distracted. I hope you find some time to check in though. Your input has been sorely missed.
For all you right wing "Christian" "Right to Lifers" out there who appreciate the fact that a fertilized egg eventually becomes a person we got a great deal for you. We have a lump of coal. Eventually it will become a diamond. If you act now during this special limited time offer you can have this future diamond for the low, low price of $19.99. That's right one future 19 carat, $100,000 diamond for only $19.99. It also comes with a no questions asked money back guarantee. If--in the next 10,000 years--you are not completely satisfied we'll refund all your money. But wait, there's more!! If you act now, we will also throw in an Acorn seed and a Pine cone. That right, not only a diamond but an Acorn and Pine tree for the low, low price of $19.99. How can you afford not to act now? If, in 10,000 years, you chose to return the diamond we will still refund your money in full and you can keep the trees as our personal gift. Don't wait! Act now! This offer ends when the next victim dies from not having access to health care. That's only 12 minutes away.
Hi Alice...working my way to # 19 and looking forward to it...BTW, I still think you and Loren should set a time on this forum to meet in Thom's chat room and share email via private message. Sounds easier than the alternative...perhaps?
If indeed the government passed a law that companies had to hand out guns and ammo as part of a health insurance package, some companies would object on religious grounds. In that case, would the SCOTUS provide a similar exception on religious grounds? Who knows. 1st and 2nd ammendments in conflict there?
Like it or not, there are laws that govern employers. Lots of them. You can't hire someone and not pay them. You can't chain your employees in the basement at night, like you can in China. You can't discriminate based on various factors. Because we passed those laws (yes, I think we are the government ultimately)
Seems like you don't agree with much of the standing employment laws. Progressives don't agree with others. That doesn't mean the laws don't exist. You can't just do whatever you want as an employer. Laws are there to balance individual freedom with the common good. It's a bit childish to whine about Progressives debating where they want that balance to lie, when you just want to balance it differently.
Then why does the Catholic church recommend the rhythm method for controlling pregnancy amongst married couples? The rhythm method most often than not results in a fertilized egg that cannot implant and subsequently dies. According to non-seculars, that is also murder. Should Hobby Lobby deny all family planning from their insurance, even those that promote this method?
It may be a religious argument, but if so, it's not well thought out. The SCOTUS missed that. They also missed the part of the bible where god promotes abortion for defiled women. It's in Numbers 5:21. The bible is therefore ambiguous about abortion at best. So, does a religious argument work even if it's just made up? If I don't want to pay for insurance for black people because I think my religious has given them the mark of Cain, does it matter that I'm wrong? Or is the claim of belief all that is necessary to discriminate?
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Now don't get me wrong...I am not suggesting a world wide massacre...No! More so I am suggesting tha we change our ways of thinkin. It is one thing to learn healthy ways of living (Thriving) through science, but to "force" life by ways of drugs and "artificial parts"...Thats just another testiment to how greedy and selfish we humans really are.
I have a 92 year old grandma. I love and adore her...I have a life time of wonderful memories with her. However these last 10 years have been very hard on her and our family. She is incontinent, suffers with dimensia, and now is blind due to her heart medication. Just this year she has had 3 eye surgeries to try and bring her sight back...She is still blind and is still taking the heart medication. She has said on many occasions that she feels she is living waaaaaay too long. So stop taking the heart medication...Right!? Well it isn't that simple. Stopping her meds won't necessarily end her life, but it could make it even worse. She could stroke out and be left paralized.
This is one of the reasons why I support the legalization of Human Euthianasia.
Today’s action by the Supreme Court of United States of America is not following the Constitution of United States. This spiritual tyranny that is forced upon the company’s employees should be a warning to us all, that the owners of this company freedom of religion is being rammed down the American public throat, with the disregard of other peoples own religious beliefs, their general health care and security.
The Conservative Christian Fundamentalists they are trying to establish their version of a theocracy that the founding fathers have rejected and seen it as a threat, and that would limit their version of freedom for this country.
I have found some writings of what the founders had in mind on religion for this country.
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“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
· “Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.” ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792
· The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams
· I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.” ~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799
· “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” ~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814,
· · The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”
The ant farm is collapsing. Pollution...A devistating side affect of over population and consumerism. With an accelerated world population the only real solution is to reduce population. Less people less waste! If 2 is company and 3 is a crowd...What is a word population of 6 billion consumers?
Sandles - after considerable effort, Loren and I have managed to connect off this blog.
You're next! I'll give that private chat thing a whirl, like you suggested, and maybe we can connect off the blog as well. I might not get around to this 'til the weekend, however; I've got the rest of the week booked pretty solid. For me, trying out anything new on the computer or online takes a lot of energy, so I really want to be rested before I attempt this again... even with my husband's assistance! Hopefully the chat room will be much easier than TypePad turned out to be; but ya never know! - AIW
Chuck, I'm actually familiar with those statistics. But I heard it was 75% of bankruptcies, caused by medical bills, involving people who were actually insured. Either way, you're damn right that it drives a dagger through the heart of entrepreneurship! (At least in the context of healthcare, it does.) But don't try telling that to "OU812". It seems all that nitrate-contaminated, processed meat has calcified her brain, because nothing seems to sink in. Perhaps I should desist from arguing with her, since all it does is waste my time. Ditto Matt the Rat. (Sorry... couldn't resist!) There's just something about these right-wing "Christians" that brings out the worst in me. - AIW
P.S. Marc, I hear ya. You and Matt worship different gods. I never cease to be amazed by all these sanctimoniously religious, spiritually bankrupt individuals.... the "Anti-Christ" incarnate!!!
Alice -- just to let you know, I sent three messages to you via the new route. (I say this because my email -- like that of many other former Occupy activists -- is often mysteriously delayed, sometimes blocked entirely.) //LB
Loren, I had ignored the faint, tiny script because it is so hard to read. Anyway I went back down to it and clicked on where it says "comments", and what I got was a vast blank white space, under which is more faint, tiny, hard-to-read script; and under that, at the VERY bottom of the page, under the "Comment" header (in red letters) it said "You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post". (What?!) So when I clicked on that, I got a blank page with the message "No RSS reader is installed". Whatever that means. But then my husband scrolled up and down, went back to where it says "comment" (buried in that barely-readable script at the bottom of the page) and - voila! - he got something entirely different... a box for posting messages! Whoopie!!!! So go check it out! - Aliceinwonderland
Alice...scroll down to the bottom of the newest post. There you'll see some very small, light-faced type. In it you'll find the word "comments" followed by a number (now a zero) in parentheses. (Scroll slowly or you'll miss it; I didn't realize how difficult it is to see and will ask TypePad if it can be made more prominent.) Click on the word "comments." That brings up the comment matrix, after which you just follow the directions. Good luck and thank you!
Loren, I just went to your TypePad edition, searched up & down repeatedly, but could find no place to post anything. At the top of the page the only places I saw to click on are where it says "Home", "Archives", "Profile" and "Subscribe", none of which look at all relevant to what I'm trying to do. Further down on the side bar, I tried clicking on "Subscribe to this blog's feed"…. but all I got was an empty box with the message: "No RSS reader is installed", whatever that means. The rest is wall-to-wall OAN script, right down to the bottom of the page where your name is displayed with the OAN title and "Powered by NotePad". Without belaboring this any further, I have no clue how to do what you've suggested. - AIW
Methane is an inflammable gas, and the right oxygen/methane mixture is explosive. An Alaska commercial fishing boat crew learned this lesson c. 1982 or so after their newly hired cook had kept them on an all-chili diet for two or three days. The resultant flatulence filled the enclosed wheelhouse with methane, and when one of the crew lit a cigarette, the methane ignited. This was at night; the blue flash was visible for at least a mile in each direction, and several other boats converged on the scene to render aid, assuming a galley stove had blown up or some other terrible accident had occurred. Actually the flatulent crew suffered no wounds other than slightly singed eyebrows; the worst injuries were to the crew's pride -- how do you explain something like that to would-be rescuers without becoming the laughing-stock of the entire fleet? Alas, some well-intentioned mariner had called the Coast Guard, so an explanation was required, and the incident thus became part of the lore and legend of the Pacific salmon fishery.
Point is, if the planet waxes flatulent, and a bolt of lightning (or anything else) lights off the gas...
Alice...
Ha! Glad you & Loren finally worked it out! BTW Loren...My activist emails seem to get disappeared by AOL or ATT as well. So much for freedom of speech! I am dreading the day when the FCC inevitably brings down the hammer on this site by making it impossible for Thom to shell out big enough bucks to CoNcast for speeds high enough to grant us access. I can see it now, you can sign up for the "unlimited web access package" for just $5000/month, or the "commercial website package" for $50. You can have your web site broadcast in the slow lane for just $10,000/mo. As I speak, Dr. Steven Cohen has been cut off by CoNcast twice. CoNcast owns Thom's communications and the Heritage Foundation owns his building. (Yesterday, they tried to roast him out by turning off off his AC.) How much longer will we enjoy the camaraderie of fellow Critical thinkers?
Sheez, Anyhooo, Alice, after the "holiday" (gee aren't you proud to be an American?) maybe next week, we will set a time for you, with your husband, to meet me in the chat room and exchange emails. If you are on the West Coast, I am 3 hours ahead of you. Happy American Empire Conquest Day!
Sandles
MMmmNACHOS ~ GREAT to have you back! What happened? We've been somewhat concerned.
Sorry to hear about your grandma. I know that can keep one busy. However, you're not alone. A lot of people I know are in the same boat. It's hard to blog when you're that distracted. I hope you find some time to check in though. Your input has been sorely missed.
For all you right wing "Christian" "Right to Lifers" out there who appreciate the fact that a fertilized egg eventually becomes a person we got a great deal for you. We have a lump of coal. Eventually it will become a diamond. If you act now during this special limited time offer you can have this future diamond for the low, low price of $19.99. That's right one future 19 carat, $100,000 diamond for only $19.99. It also comes with a no questions asked money back guarantee. If--in the next 10,000 years--you are not completely satisfied we'll refund all your money. But wait, there's more!! If you act now, we will also throw in an Acorn seed and a Pine cone. That right, not only a diamond but an Acorn and Pine tree for the low, low price of $19.99. How can you afford not to act now? If, in 10,000 years, you chose to return the diamond we will still refund your money in full and you can keep the trees as our personal gift. Don't wait! Act now! This offer ends when the next victim dies from not having access to health care. That's only 12 minutes away.
Sorry, offer is now void!
Hi Alice...working my way to # 19 and looking forward to it...BTW, I still think you and Loren should set a time on this forum to meet in Thom's chat room and share email via private message. Sounds easier than the alternative...perhaps?
If indeed the government passed a law that companies had to hand out guns and ammo as part of a health insurance package, some companies would object on religious grounds. In that case, would the SCOTUS provide a similar exception on religious grounds? Who knows. 1st and 2nd ammendments in conflict there?
Like it or not, there are laws that govern employers. Lots of them. You can't hire someone and not pay them. You can't chain your employees in the basement at night, like you can in China. You can't discriminate based on various factors. Because we passed those laws (yes, I think we are the government ultimately)
Seems like you don't agree with much of the standing employment laws. Progressives don't agree with others. That doesn't mean the laws don't exist. You can't just do whatever you want as an employer. Laws are there to balance individual freedom with the common good. It's a bit childish to whine about Progressives debating where they want that balance to lie, when you just want to balance it differently.
ChicagoMatt -
Then why does the Catholic church recommend the rhythm method for controlling pregnancy amongst married couples? The rhythm method most often than not results in a fertilized egg that cannot implant and subsequently dies. According to non-seculars, that is also murder. Should Hobby Lobby deny all family planning from their insurance, even those that promote this method?
It may be a religious argument, but if so, it's not well thought out. The SCOTUS missed that. They also missed the part of the bible where god promotes abortion for defiled women. It's in Numbers 5:21. The bible is therefore ambiguous about abortion at best. So, does a religious argument work even if it's just made up? If I don't want to pay for insurance for black people because I think my religious has given them the mark of Cain, does it matter that I'm wrong? Or is the claim of belief all that is necessary to discriminate?
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Now don't get me wrong...I am not suggesting a world wide massacre...No! More so I am suggesting tha we change our ways of thinkin. It is one thing to learn healthy ways of living (Thriving) through science, but to "force" life by ways of drugs and "artificial parts"...Thats just another testiment to how greedy and selfish we humans really are.
I have a 92 year old grandma. I love and adore her...I have a life time of wonderful memories with her. However these last 10 years have been very hard on her and our family. She is incontinent, suffers with dimensia, and now is blind due to her heart medication. Just this year she has had 3 eye surgeries to try and bring her sight back...She is still blind and is still taking the heart medication. She has said on many occasions that she feels she is living waaaaaay too long. So stop taking the heart medication...Right!? Well it isn't that simple. Stopping her meds won't necessarily end her life, but it could make it even worse. She could stroke out and be left paralized.
This is one of the reasons why I support the legalization of Human Euthianasia.
Today’s action by the Supreme Court of United States of America is not following the Constitution of United States. This spiritual tyranny that is forced upon the company’s employees should be a warning to us all, that the owners of this company freedom of religion is being rammed down the American public throat, with the disregard of other peoples own religious beliefs, their general health care and security.
The Conservative Christian Fundamentalists they are trying to establish their version of a theocracy that the founding fathers have rejected and seen it as a threat, and that would limit their version of freedom for this country.
I have found some writings of what the founders had in mind on religion for this country.
·
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35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate
The ant farm is collapsing. Pollution...A devistating side affect of over population and consumerism. With an accelerated world population the only real solution is to reduce population. Less people less waste! If 2 is company and 3 is a crowd...What is a word population of 6 billion consumers?
Hey Sandles, check out the next thread (re: the methane scare); post #19!
Sandles - after considerable effort, Loren and I have managed to connect off this blog.
You're next! I'll give that private chat thing a whirl, like you suggested, and maybe we can connect off the blog as well. I might not get around to this 'til the weekend, however; I've got the rest of the week booked pretty solid. For me, trying out anything new on the computer or online takes a lot of energy, so I really want to be rested before I attempt this again... even with my husband's assistance! Hopefully the chat room will be much easier than TypePad turned out to be; but ya never know! - AIW
Chuck, I'm actually familiar with those statistics. But I heard it was 75% of bankruptcies, caused by medical bills, involving people who were actually insured. Either way, you're damn right that it drives a dagger through the heart of entrepreneurship! (At least in the context of healthcare, it does.) But don't try telling that to "OU812". It seems all that nitrate-contaminated, processed meat has calcified her brain, because nothing seems to sink in. Perhaps I should desist from arguing with her, since all it does is waste my time. Ditto Matt the Rat. (Sorry... couldn't resist!) There's just something about these right-wing "Christians" that brings out the worst in me. - AIW
P.S. Marc, I hear ya. You and Matt worship different gods. I never cease to be amazed by all these sanctimoniously religious, spiritually bankrupt individuals.... the "Anti-Christ" incarnate!!!
Alice -- just to let you know, I sent three messages to you via the new route. (I say this because my email -- like that of many other former Occupy activists -- is often mysteriously delayed, sometimes blocked entirely.) //LB
P.S. Loren, were you talking about post #53, on the second page of yesterday's thread? It's still there!
Loren, I had ignored the faint, tiny script because it is so hard to read. Anyway I went back down to it and clicked on where it says "comments", and what I got was a vast blank white space, under which is more faint, tiny, hard-to-read script; and under that, at the VERY bottom of the page, under the "Comment" header (in red letters) it said "You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post". (What?!) So when I clicked on that, I got a blank page with the message "No RSS reader is installed". Whatever that means. But then my husband scrolled up and down, went back to where it says "comment" (buried in that barely-readable script at the bottom of the page) and - voila! - he got something entirely different... a box for posting messages! Whoopie!!!! So go check it out! - Aliceinwonderland
Alice...scroll down to the bottom of the newest post. There you'll see some very small, light-faced type. In it you'll find the word "comments" followed by a number (now a zero) in parentheses. (Scroll slowly or you'll miss it; I didn't realize how difficult it is to see and will ask TypePad if it can be made more prominent.) Click on the word "comments." That brings up the comment matrix, after which you just follow the directions. Good luck and thank you!
Loren, I just went to your TypePad edition, searched up & down repeatedly, but could find no place to post anything. At the top of the page the only places I saw to click on are where it says "Home", "Archives", "Profile" and "Subscribe", none of which look at all relevant to what I'm trying to do. Further down on the side bar, I tried clicking on "Subscribe to this blog's feed"…. but all I got was an empty box with the message: "No RSS reader is installed", whatever that means. The rest is wall-to-wall OAN script, right down to the bottom of the page where your name is displayed with the OAN title and "Powered by NotePad". Without belaboring this any further, I have no clue how to do what you've suggested. - AIW
Yeah, Alice...that post doesn't live there anymore; I checked about 20 minutes ago.
Methane is an inflammable gas, and the right oxygen/methane mixture is explosive. An Alaska commercial fishing boat crew learned this lesson c. 1982 or so after their newly hired cook had kept them on an all-chili diet for two or three days. The resultant flatulence filled the enclosed wheelhouse with methane, and when one of the crew lit a cigarette, the methane ignited. This was at night; the blue flash was visible for at least a mile in each direction, and several other boats converged on the scene to render aid, assuming a galley stove had blown up or some other terrible accident had occurred. Actually the flatulent crew suffered no wounds other than slightly singed eyebrows; the worst injuries were to the crew's pride -- how do you explain something like that to would-be rescuers without becoming the laughing-stock of the entire fleet? Alas, some well-intentioned mariner had called the Coast Guard, so an explanation was required, and the incident thus became part of the lore and legend of the Pacific salmon fishery.
Point is, if the planet waxes flatulent, and a bolt of lightning (or anything else) lights off the gas...
Thanks Loren! I will definitely give that a try.
By the way, is it your post that you think disappeared off yesterday's thread? I saw the post; not to worry! - AIW