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Dreams are real! consciousness will this exist after death could this be some purpose for the stars and planets to host the body that evolves intelligence of being (spirit ) ?to take base mater and through eons greater and greater sentient ability is karmically earned in this meritocracy of life through the passage of time,
Why do we exist to evolve as a sentient cohesive to link up eventually with other forms of beings(Larks) in the stars. not to peck the Minds Eye out of this topic!
Frac out lol
Palindromedary ~ "People are just too afraid to believe in the finality of death." Really? It could be just as easily be stated that some people are just too afraid to believe in anything after death. Mark is right, reincarnation is a fact. Of course your entire life experiences are not reincarnated with you. They are lost forever at death. The idea that you could remember past life's is something that would be difficult to impossible to prove; and, personally I don't buy it. For all practical purposes when you die YOU DIE. To me, the fact of reincarnation is like rebooting a computer--a fresh start. What better after all? Who wants to remember a past life anyway? Just think of all the things you wish you could forget. Reincarnation is your big chance;regardless of whether you or I are right.
After thousands of years of religious intolerance by persecutors keeping people with differing views scared to speak out lest they be murdered...burned at the stake...I find no problem in daring to submit my own views on these subjects. There is just no way we atheists, today, can even come close to the religious intolerance practiced by those who today's superstitious believers revere as saints in many cases. They still believe in the same nonsense that the witch burners believed in and if they had their way...many would still be doing the same things. So I have no problems speaking my piece now. I think we atheists owe those fallen martyrs who were done in by nonsense worshipers of the past and present. It is not surprising, though, that those believers of nonsense will try to accuse others of being "religious intolerant" when it it they who are being intolerant of anything that challenges their nonsense. Reincarnation is nonsense!
Good evening all. just off topic Palin, sonar that bats and dolphins evolved, could humans evolve telepathic power the speed of which would travel faster than light ?into a parallel universe in the future(Steven Hawking).This would be in history called the time of prophecy!Mark any one ,your thought's ?We the people are over due for a prophet.lol
Palin your first comment this evening is right on the mark.
as far as the race hurdle for the democracy of the World Obama's a stepping stone to say the least right or and wrong in office. a Landmark in History has occurred do to a lot less American idiots alive
Democracy Evolves Peace
jkh6148: They are also the Health Insurance companies. They have their own death panels!
More "happy talk", Mark? Well, I was going to leave my "happy talk" remarks back a few blogs ago where the original subject matter had already run out of steam but since Mark has seen fit to post my past remarks in this fairly nascent post..I guess I have to continue the discussion.
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Supernatural? fact? together? lol! That's a good one! ;-} Are ghosts, demons, magic, ...etc....facts? It is a fact that people believe in them but not that they exist ... except in the minds of people who believe in them. They are no more valid as "facts" than the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus....no more valid than the old Egyptian or Greek or Mesopotamian or Persian gods or Hindu gods (and I know I've missed a few). These things all come from the imagination and has no real place in science except to study the poor suckers who believed in such nonsense. Yes, it is a fact that people believe in nonfactual things.
THIS JUST IN:
SARAH PALIN & MICHELLE BACHMANN were right about government death panels.
THEY are the republican state legislatures & governors rejecting state medicaid expansion.
Tyranny 101 ~ First you rob the people, then you disempower them, then you sow discord and get them to blame each other for it. Tyrants always use scapegoats to distract the masses. They always chose them amongst the weakest groups who can't defend themselves. And they always hypocritically project their own worse characteristics on the persecuted.
The way I see it with austerity kicking in gear and the masses being sucked dry of any sustenance, this sowing discord agenda is only going to get put on steroids. It is up to us to be aware of this strategy because it can come from anywhere--including Thom's show. I remember stating that the Zimmerman trial spectacle was such an effort to put people at each other's throats. So is the FOX news channel. Beware my friends--the master deceivers have been unleashed and have us tuned in to their propaganda so that our consciousness is at their mercy. We must resist and maintain control of our own thoughts. Anytime you see the trivial sensationalized, hatred idolized, violence glorified, victims being blamed for their own problems, or weak people blaming other weak people for their weakness, look out--you can be sure that it is the deception of the masters of Tyranny 101.
There are only a very few people out there to blame for austerity and we know who they are. The are the only true enemy of We the People.
Supernatural? fact? together? lol! That's a good one! ;-} Are ghosts, demons, magic, ...etc....facts? It is a fact that people believe in them but not that they exist... except in the minds of people who believe in them.
I, of course, believe reincarnation to be a fact, it is not in the scientific sense an established fact but I am convinced and I am scientifically critical, no less than anyone here, and was an atheist or agnostic until I encountered the scientifically studied supernatural. I don't put anything on "faith", I have to be shown.
I don't wanna start a whole 'nother thing here but reincarnation is a supernatural fact. One denies the supernatural at the peril of one's own factual rectitude. Atheists, it's been my experience can be as pietistically obsessed with their beliefs as any religious fanatic. My friend who recently acquired agnosticism after graduating bible college calls them the "evangelical atheists". They are welcome to their beliefs but they must also be careful not to slide into religious intolerance towards those whose beliefs on those matters differ from theirs - just as with the strongly religious.
Anyway, reincarnation, the near death experience and some other phenomena have been studied with scientific method and are - to greatly understate the case - not easily dismissed.
Thank you William King. You're comments are always insightful.
Reincarnation is a supernatural fact. I don't want to start a whole 'nother thing here but I just wanna say one denies the supernatural at the peril of their factual rectitude.
WOLVES and Ecosystems - The best perspective on the importance and effect of predators such as wolves and cougars is the documentary film Lords of Nature. Check out their web site.
Having been in the car business for 30 years, as a manager from day one, I can safely say Big oil had nothing to do with Tesla getting kicked out of NJ. The reason given WAS the corect one. NO DEALERSHIPS! Try to imagine the service problems once these cars start to break and they will.
Even with a warranty... does anyone know a repair shop in your town that will fix a Tesla?
Yes it costs a lot of money to stand behind a product as complex as a Tesla car.
If you Google Tesla repair, you will see I am right.
I applaud Christie for throwing them out, but I still think he is a jerk.
"Corporate Welfare Queens"... You've got that right, PD! And while the Rich Man's Party quacks about minorities taking over our government and "eating up all the money", the oligarchs they represent are busy eating your lunch. And breakfast and dinner. Quack! Quack! (Burp!). - AIW
Paul Krugman essayed a similar point in the NYT yesterday. The cause and effect problem just wouldn't go away! Especially if you've benefitted and conclude you're more successful because you're just better than the unsuccessful.
We know that the real ruination of the US economy are the Corporate Welfare Queens. Old Ronnie Raygun was going off the deep end and highly influenced by his controllers. He had a disease. I wonder what is Obama's excuse? Oh yeah, whenever Obama gets out of line...his controllers flash a photo of JFK in his Limo in Dallas!
Ugh. Gag me.
I guess so, AIW...after all they have spawned Rupert Murdock..co-owner of Fox News and then there is "Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal who owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch."
No, it's not! But if you want to keep on believing that then that's your decision. It's funny though how people who believe in these mystical or superstitious things try so hard to convince other people that their beliefs are valid...as if by convincing others...it helps to make more valid one's own beliefs.
The Intelligent Design and Creationist crowds have felt the need to resort to latching on to scientific terms, misusing them, making untrue "ergos" (this therefore that) in the hope of suckering in the scientifically challenged.
Yes, you can find a few specious articles that tend to be hinting that "reincarnation" may have something going for it when looking at DNA. But the traits that offspring inherit are physical characteristics like hair color, facial similarities, familial (genetically inherited) diseases, etc. Even certain rudimentary defense mechanisms may be passed. But most things have to be learned. How many children or even young animals are aware of the danger of a cobra or any other dangerous situations? They have to learn about the danger either through direct experience or through parental guidance.
The more complex things like memories, psychological identities, etc are not passed on. At least there are no supporting scientific studies that prove that the more complex things get passed on in any meaningful way that would indicate anything like the "reincarnation" idea that some people believe in..ie: past lives..past memories of past individuals. And it is even more unproven that distantly related or totally unrelated people of the past have been "reincarnated". There is a lot of hocus-pocus, mystical, flim-flam about the idea of "reincarnation".
The genetic coding directs the body's manufacture of various proteins that affects cell replication and determines the function of the body. Certain genetic traits, the coding of protein creation that determines all manner of physical and even brain functions (no evidence of past life memories) are passed to one's offspring. But there is just no scientific evidence that indicates that the complex thoughts and beliefs and memories of past lives are passed on to offspring.
Many of the sensationalized stories of people who have claimed to have been "reincarnated" have not been proven to be true. And they have managed to fool a lot of people. It sure doesn't stop a lot of people from buying into those ideas. It's just another way, aside from believing in a religious myth of an afterlife in heaven or hell, of pretending they will continue to exist after death. People are just too afraid to believe in the finality of death.
Good question, PD. Those Aussies who do are lacking in perspective as well as smarts. - AIW
I wonder how many of those Australians now vote against the party that made voting mandatory?
Gator Girl, I couldn't agree more. My hubby & I never miss an election. Before the last mid-term it took begging and pleading to get one of my friends to vote. Too bad I didn't fare as well with her partner, a former activist, who said she now prefers gardening to politics! (SIGH)
I believe what enabled the Rich Boys' Party to keep the House, and continue obstructing everything of consequence to us, was not a "victory" or majority of votes so much as would-be voters staying home and/or refusing to cast a ballot. Here in Oregon, the most election-friendly state in the nation, there is simply no excuse not to vote! Hell, we don't even have to drag our butts to the poles; here voting is done on paper ballots, in the comfort and privacy of home. Doesn't get any better than that.
I wish the U.S. could adopt Australia's policy of imposing a punitive fine on any citizen who neglects this important civic duty. What a study in contrast! Here we have politicians passing laws to do the opposite, making it harder to vote. This should make our fellow citizens all the more determined to cast their ballots! But I have yet to hear or observe much evidence of this.
History is full of gut-wrenching stories of the heroes & heroines who fought and died so that everyone - not just propertied white men - could vote. It is amazing what blacks and women went through to secure themselves a voice in these elections. Yet today, people blow it off like it's nothing. Makes me crazy sometimes. - Aliceinwonderland
Welcome to the new Dark Age.