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I knew from the beginning that forcing people to BUY Health Insurance ( personal responsibility ) that IT would be a SWEETHEART Deal for the Insurance companies .
Obviously, Medicare for all Single Payer or at least putiing a Public Option on the Exchanges would be better..
BUT you can criticize all you want , but were you able to mobilize people to vote for your idea ?
We the People are really so POWERLESS nowadays.
sandlewould: The Dem you refer to is Rep. Israel from NY. Besides his pointing out the importance of taking the House back he also mentioned the bald faced hypocrisy of a couple of his co-workers. One of these guys happens to be my Teabag Unrep. by the name of Tom Reed. Since 2005 he has been late in paying his property taxes 38 times. He also participated in a drunken nude swim in the Dead Sea with 20 other lawmakers who claimed to be on a fact finding trip to Israel. Although I think Reed kept his knickers on for obvious reasons. These guys are all self-serving Teabag reps of the billionaires and we need to dump all of this Tea in 2014.
Back on the subject of Reed and his tax issue. I'm willing to bet that he doesn't even realize that his austerity/shrink govt. politics are actually increasing his property taxes by leaps and bounds. This Teabag austerity mania has rubbed off on power hungry guys like Cuomo and Christie. These Govs. make themselves look good on paper by privatizing, breaking unions, and sticking the local taxpayers with the bill. Under Christie property taxes are up by 20%.....thaannnks Christie! It's similar under Cuomo in New York, and it doesn't get more regressive than property tax, a tax that is unrelated to income or ability to pay. This however works out real well for the 1% who want no part in progressive taxation based on income. Incidentally New York's Property tax cap is a lie!
By the way, regarding the shut down, I called Reed's office today and got a recording that his voicemail was full as usual.....no access but I still have to pay for his health insurance, retirement, and salary. I'm sure he loves his govt. job, he just hates the govt. ..........enough to shut it down.
I agree with your assesment on what the next step should be.
I think his base is sold but his base is not the republicons or tea party members or sympahtisers nor the koch brothers bank rolling the tea party...
I remember he promissed to do all these things, but I also remember all through his campaign before even getting elected that he said it would not be easy, that those who he was running against are not going to want to give up what they have without a fight, and, it will require your help (all of the peoples help that were hearing his message) that help does not end at the voting booth, it goes on and on... kind of like Fox Boobs... only, in a positive constructive manner... People need to get involved in the political process that brings about change that is benificial for us all and not just for billion dollar corporations placing their corporate shills on the republican ticket.
Obama also said he could not do these things alone and that it would be a constant up hill battle... We can see he was right on that point...and, I say or ask yuou what one man could do all these things without enough support from others to see them through to completion? We should be glad that the tea party did not succeed in electing Mitt Romney or John McCain. The help he is not getting is from FOX NEWS or any of the many clear channel radio stations. They are constantly trying to undermine his efforts and drum up support from their listeners to do just the opposite of what Obama asked for in making all of these promisses as they are the ones holding up or preventing those promisses from being fulfilled.. they are the ones that do not want to see change when it means they must chip in and help or give something up for the benifite of man kind... these are the ones he has not convinced to help him set up these health exchanges in their states as they are not concerned about the poor or the one in ten without health care vis-a-vis one in ten across the states is about 30,000,000 people. and, why should they?
And who are they specifically that are holding up the process ? they are Governors like Scott Walker in Wisconsin and other states that were offered federal money to set these exchanges up and to oversee the adminsitration of them; however, they rejected the federal money allocated for their state a year ago, waited to to last miniute and opted for the Federal government to set it up in and for their state claiming it would save the tax payers money... anohter lie as it would of saved the taxpayers money had the state accepted funding from the federal government which was offered as a way to give some of the federal taxes collected from those states back to the states... and Governor Scott Walker, the so called geious would rather see the poor go without Medicaid than accept some of the states money, taxpayers paid the federal govenment, by taking back,it as offered provided it went to fund the poor's medical and healthcare needs...
Walker refused to do it regardless of it now being part of the prosses of setting up and to carry fourth the enactment of the new laws governing insurance companies and institutionalizing new programs for those living in poverty in which still could not afford health insurance or were not having it provided through their small employer, who also, could'nt really afford to cover his/her employees for being "small enough to fail"...
Is it the fault of himself ? or, is it the fault of all those casting stumbling blocks before him and all others attempting to succeed in fulfiling those promisses?
Remember, the president proposes, congress disposes... right now, it is the republicons in the house doing all the disposing.
I think the teabaggers need to have their diapers changed, pacifiers stuck in their mouths, and all of them put down for long, LONG naps. There's nothing more annoying than a bunch of cranky babies.
sandlewould ~ Thank you!
Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that Abbey Martin link yesterday. I just watched the show. Very, very good.
ObamaCare:
the Heritage Foundation provided means that liberals used to perform their partial-birth abortion upon SinglePayer public funded healthcare for all
the MoveOn progressives' first do harm success in making the SickCare system sicker
2013 government shutdown:
theater of the absurd, in which the corporate party's fossil fueled Republicans and bankster backed Democrats acted like they were enemies, to make their shared neoliberal goal — a continuation of corporatism's care for corporate welfare by forcing people to purchase private insurance to ensure future profits — appear to be socialism coming to make government care about people
propaganda production staged to persuade poorly informed people that the corporate party's progressive Democrat implementation of a really regressive Republican idea for corporate care is people care
the corporate party's public deployment of a weapon of mass distraction, to draw attention away from whatever new evil policies its (R)s and (D)s are creating together, secretly, behind closed doors
desperate means used by the corporate party's Republicans to keep hope in (D) managed corporatism alive, and to herd hopeless sheeple into voting for the corporate party's deeply depraved Democrats... again
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No. This is not about being adults this is about whether it's okay to extort the government (the people). We elected the president and obamacare.
...great points, evone..
Pres. Obama: “One faction, of one party, in one House of Congress, in one branch of government, doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election.” Well, apperently, they do.
DAnneMarc,
Very well said! If Obama does NOT do that it would be really bad news. Sadly, I think that's what it would take for liberals in this country to finally wake up and realize that Dems and Repubs only pretend to disagree. The perpetuation of the illusion of conflict is how they keep us divided and even the most astute among us slaves to a lie. When it all boils down, the whole system is corrupt. Dirty energy = Repubs, dirty $$$ = Dems and dirty energy & $$$ in bed completely together.
This a.m., Democracy Now reported that the public lands/parks will be left unattended and that the EPA is shutting down 94% of it's operations, the NRC will not be able to inspect nuclear power plants etc. They only care about what their sociopathic greed dictates. The Repugs don't just hate Obama care, they hate the idea of ANYONE who is not "in the club" getting anything, including access to, say...life. Obamacare is a conveniently timed (by both parties) excuse to shut down government in order to begin the transition to what Naomi Kline so eloquently calls disaster capitalism. They can't WAIT to crash through the debt ceiling. (THEN, can we call it treason, Thom?) Big Oil & gas & kRoch $$ has been trying to make it so they could swoop down and seize the public lands and dump into the air and water to their hearts content for many years. The problem is most Dems are on board w/ the shut down strategy, they just PRETEND not to be. Dems knew what Boner would do if the Repugs kept the House in '12. Today on Thom was THE 1ST TIME I have EVER heard a Dem talk about how important it is to take back the house and keep the senate; now that it's too late...NOW they tell us...as if DIE!bold, gerrymandering, corrupt media and voter supression won't rig it anyhow… We must tune in to our communities and turn off 99% of media. Now nore than ever Think Global, ACT! Local.
Top 20 government contractors who may not be paid due to the shutdown and 20 members of congress who get the largest contributions from these companies. 7 of the 20 are Democrats.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2013/10/which-donors-have-the-most-to-lo...
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_reason_republicans_were_willing_...
I have been listening to the radio show and watching the tv show for about a year. I find it educational and thought-provoking. I saw the segment of the show where the young African-American woman was defending the voter suppression in her state and others, citing "fraud," etc. At first I was dumbfounded and then when you announced that she works for an organization dedicated to "protecting the election process from "voter fraud", I realized that she has found a way to earn $$ while appearing to be anti-voter fraud, which you pointed out is discriminatory towards many citizens because of ethnic group, color, economic level, age, and race. She cited her family history in response as proof that she is aware of the voter repression in the region of the country she hails from, as proof that she is not against anyone because fo the categories mentioned above. Please advise her to read "Black Masters" by Masters & Roark in order to become aware of what happened to the "Free People of Color" population in the South after the Civil War. Although many of them had supported the Confederated effort, they were rewarded with violent discrimination in all forms and they and their descendants were disenfranchised after the Rutherford Hayes deal. I'm sure you know this, so I don't mean to lecture you, but I believe the information is necessary for the young woman, Ms. Harley-LeBon, to help her realize that she is working against herself and family and many others in her state.
However, I also realize that she is probably earning a good salary - at least, I hope so - otherwise she is working for the forces who over 125 years or so ago, kicked her people (family, et al) to the curb, i.e. marginalized them. If she believes so much in the cause of preventing voter "fraud", suggest that she give up the pay she receives, otherwise like so many others who strive against their own interests, SHE IS DOING IT FOR THE "BENJAMINS!!!"
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I'm glad you agree!
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I still think it is all just histrionics being played out by both parties owned by the ruling elite. They want to create mass confusion and mass fear in order to destroy social security and any of the other social programs. Before long, they'll announce that they will have to defund prisons and those private prisons will have to fire all their guards. The ruling elite will resort to all manner of smoke and mirrors and pandemonium to scare people into running through those cattle chutes on our way to our executions.
After the big scare, the ruling elite will ratchet up their strangle hold on us all...yet another compromise where the ruling elite wins and we all lose.
Very well said Aliceinwonderland and DAnneMarc...my sentiments exactly. ACA was originally a Republican plan and over the last 30 or so years an economic war against the 99% has ensued. We've seen deregulation, a giant Ponzi scheme in the way of a housing bubble (another one is on the way), various Wall Street schemes...derivatives, schemes by the corporations to steel people's pensions, a steady reduction in wages and benefits. And the same players concocted ACA, originally, and Obama had immediately thrown out single payer health care and accepting the Republican's ACA scheme. Obama appointed the Wall Street scammers, people who made deregulation possible, to be his economic advisers.
Definitely, the Republicans are the scum of the earth but Obama is eating off their plate. What more proof do people need that Obama and many in the Democratic party are not worthy of our support...our trust... anymore? How can we trust such a man whose words preached hope but whose actions showed traitor?
The 1% are counting on us to keep playing their game to be continuously addicted to losing and too afraid to actually rebel against them.
Max Keiser, in today's show, talked about how people will actually buy products that have a warning label on them because the warning label instills trust never mind that actually consuming that product could likely kill you.
I always get a kick out of those commercials showing some pleasant heart-warming home scenes, family, friends, while they try to sell various drugs...and in fine print, not much bigger than a couple of pixels, shows the warning label...and someone rapidly reads off all the different side effects ...including the possibility of "death". And people actually get suckered into buying these things? What part of "death" don't people understand? Maybe they are pandering to people who want to die? I don't know. But it's just so bizarre. Max Keiser also said that "casinos know that the emotional kick from losing is greater than the emotional kick from winning...in fact they are addicted to losing." Just like soldiers who kill, and risk being killed, it is the emotional thrill that is hard to dispense with when they return to the states.
Today's Max Keiser on RT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIVRIIeDLu4
In my humble opinion, no, the Teabrains will not back down. However, all is not lost. All the President has to do is to issue an Executive order to extend the dept limit. Done! He can also declare a National emergency and do it. If this fiasco continues it is the fault of the President for not flexing his Executive muscle. Just another example of him breaking his oath of office.
RACadmin ~ I certainly hope you are right. On the surface I must agree that as far as I can gather ACA is going to be a wonderful improvement in health care in this country. Like you said, If we could only cap and regulate the health care providers we might have a real solution. Of course, that would be the logical next step.
However, I must say I share Palidromedary's concerns. We might both appreciate if you do not cite things President Obama 'says' as evidence and stick to other sources. President Obama has been less than genuine with the truth and in such has a lackluster track record. In this case, I think that is the main problem selling ACA to his base. If you will remember he also said he would push for Single-Payer health care. He said he would change our trade policies. He said he would close Gitmo. He said he would end warrant-less wiretapping. He said he would let the Bush tax cuts expire. He said he would veto the Patriot Act. He said he would protect and defend the Constitution. He said he would investigate the Bush administration for war crimes. The President has said a lot of great and wonderfully lofty things. What he does is something else.
You will have to forgive us for treating anything this President says with skepticism and cynicism. It is not our fault that we react to his words this way. It is the fault of the President himself.
When are We the People going to shut down Corporate America and send Wall St home???
Now don't take me for being foolish...I know that the 1%ers income can afford to "take a few days off", but my point is that We the People and We the Consumers are truely the ones incharge...Lets hit these Corporate bafoons where it counts...In their profits!!!
Buck-up my fellow country men, and REVOLT!
If you want a Medicare-For-All Health Care System...Abolish Corporate Personhood!
I find it very difficult to even discuss this without my blood pressure going up. I makes me so angry. Our healthcare fiasco is one of the ugliest manifestations of malignant capitalism in our midst, translating to a "culture" that values profits over life itself. I know this might sound simplistic to some, but from where I sit, that's really the bottom line here. Over the years we've had literally millions of people die prematurely (even children!!), just because they couldn't afford a damn doctor. All so these big fat CEOs in the for-profit insurance racket can steal our money and live like kings. This has got to be one of the most extreme cases of mass extortion in the history of humankind. And unless we find a way to get these parasites off our backs, my husband & I are opting out of the system until we qualify for Medicare. In the meantime, we're doing everything in our power to stay healthy and fit. I know it's a gamble, but in this freak show, it's a gamble no matter what we decide to do. We're literally being forced to gamble with our lives, and it makes me bloody furious. And that's all I have to say about it. - Alice I.W.
i'am living in a country-- i No Longer understand;-(
What I got out of what he said in a very consise to the point manner was the facts... just the facts... gathering from what he said, that he wanted to address the missconceptions many appear to have due to all the blatently off the wall falsehoods being spread by the tea party and republican house members that are doing so to deceive the public in that in doing so would gain support for their attempts to defund the program that has long since become law... The crux of the matter and the reason a majority of the members of the house are trying to obstruct the last stage of its implimentation is that they do not like the first part that has already been implemented that includes the new law that if the insurrance companies are not spending at least 85% of the premiums they take in from policy holders on actual claims filed, then they have to return the difference to the policy holders at years end... they do not like the fact that they have to do this as they do not want to be limitted to 15% profits as they and their Corporate CEO's will no longer get those huge multimillion dollar bonuses they like to invest in playing the stock markets or investing in real estate as investers looking to capitalize on renters, then going under and losing the poicy holders pool that was suppose to be set aside for paing claims... remember the housing bubble and all the forclosures? I believe this is proper as healthcare is not suppose to be a for profit business... because it has become that, through gross corruption, it has driven up healthcare cost all across the table...
The fact of the matter is greed has entered into the amount providers bill insurrance companies also... as they figure the insurred are covered and the insurance companies must pay what ever they charge so why not exploit the situation.... The fact of the mater is that if the insurance compaies were lacking in funds to pay claims, they would not have to worry about haveing to refund money to their policy holders if not investing 85% of those funds back to the holders by paying claims as is what the money was to be alocated for in the first place.. thus, if they were not rolling in dough, why would they object to spending that money if not on claims, giving a portion of that money back which would in effect lower the premiums and thus the cost of insurance... kind of like if you paid too much in taxes, at the end of the year, you get a refund... whats wrong with that?
Most don't object to claiming their tax refund at the end of the year if they have money coming back... why should it be any different to insurance companies that are also suppose to be none profit organizations as so too the hospitals and clinics and government itself for that matter which explains why you get tax refunds in the first place and why government is in debt since it is a non-profit and from time to time has to issue more credit in the form of cash for the system to remain in place and to maintain law and order less lawlessness abound... the fact is every time the debt ceiling limit is raised, debt owed is forgiven for times and times and a half till it becomes an issue again that has to be delt with... i.e., the federal reserve must make available credit when needed to sustain the system but it is the banks that are in charge of making it work... when the banks do not practice fairness in lending or when they discriminate and deny those in poverty the means to rise above it, letting the gap between the haves and the have nots ever growing bigger, then issues such as affordable healthcare and rescession and depression are bound to occure...
Health care is expensive because hospitals and clinics are paying high wages to doctors and overcharging for supplies and medical equipment due to excessive mark up with no price regulation... I dug up an older youtube video of Rachel Maddow's on Obama Care and she is not only a good salesman when it comes to selling one on the facts, she has the facts as she does her homework and with due diligence she reserches what is being said, investigates and digs up the facts and shares them with the rest of us who, like you say, aren't realy sure for not gathering the facts ourselves... That is what the Republicons count on... they count on the masses being ignorant and lazy and gullabale thus easy to pursuade and believe all the crap they feed us... Rest assured, the Republicans are businessmen and cater to insurrance companies that are on their ass because the insurance companies do not want to see affordable healthcare or obamacare not that it would lowere the amount of the claims they must pay, but that it would lower the amount of premiums their policy holders pay... healthcare is expensive yes... but do not confuse healthcare with insurance premiums...private insurance companies have lots of money... because most people are not sick in the hostpital.. about 85% of the people with insurance will on insurance plans through employers many have gotten checks if the group plans took in more than they had to pay out... and that is why the inssurance companies are against the last implementation of these insurance interchanges as it offers people more choices and poses to them competition... like the deregulation of AT&T... they do not like giving up refunds or the idea of competitors they may lose customers to... It taps into their million dollar bonuses.
have you heard of the wayback machine? we all need to take a step back and reflect on news that has been forgotten for it appears that many of memories are short... old news is no news and no news is good news but when it comes to Fox, old news is new news and there is not much at all thats new... its all old rhetoric with intent being a plot on how to undermine Obama and anything he cares to accomplish
Presenting The GOP's Evil Obamacare
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42 times the salesmen tried to sell the defunding of ObamaCare... 42 times they failed... are they salesmen selling us on their rhetoric too? they haven't sold me, as I'm sold on ObamaCare...
Good points, RACman! And thanks for that link of Rachel Maddow..back in 2012. I didn't get MSNBC back then...it has only been just recently that DishTV started showing that channel on my level of subscription. I used to watch her all the time years ago when I had a higher subscription level. I cut back to save money...but at least I still had FSTV, LinkTV, and Russia Today. But, now, I have to hit the sack.
These 12 Bills Are the NSA's Worst Nightmare
Your guide to the pending legislation seeking to curb the government's vast surveillance powers.
—By Dana Liebelson
| Mon Sep. 23, 2013 3:00 AM PDT
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/guide-bills-stop-nsa-spying
Thanks for the link, Intok! Here's another one on Snowden..
New Snowden leak: NSA is monitoring the Internet histories of millions of Americans
Published time: September 30, 2013 18:08
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-leak-internet-history-549/