What is criminal about trading mortgage backed securities. If they didn't, they would run out of money for mortgages. Keep in mind, that it was the purpose of Fannie/Freddie (government) to buy sub-prime mortgages, securitize them, and guarantee them. To prosecute the "banksters" they would also have to prosecute congress.
It should also be noted, that Fannie/Freddie had one purpose, and that was to purchase subprime mortgages, securitize them, and guarantee them. With a semi-government guarantee, you can almost see why the ratings agencies gave the securities, at least 50% of the trash, a AAA rating.
Fannie/Freddie are the first big fish in an oligopoly to be considered the victim. They were 50% of the mortgage market, and 100% sub-prime, yet in the context of the oligopoly, they are the victim. Wow.
And now we hear that the Obama Administration wants to make a deal with the banks to indemnify and absolve them from their criminal activity involving the sale of mortgage backed securities, the MERS mortgage mess, and the rampant filing of illegal foreclosures. And they're going so far as to pressure New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to drop his investigations into the widespread criminal activity perpetrated by the too big to fail banks. The administrations solution? Have the banks pay a civil fine. Are we moving toward a country where the rich are exempted from the laws of the land and the reach of the justice system by paying a fine? Where the victims of those crimes are excluded from the process, loose their rights to seek redress, and are considered collateral damage in the noble effort to keep "The Economy" healthy? Once again, the health of the banks balance sheets is proving more important then the health and well being of the American people.
When Buffett was asked why he did not give money directly to the government he responded that he gave it to charitable institutions because their cost of handling was much lower than having the government manage it.
When people talk about "gated communities", I think the listener gets the connotation of the wealthy enclaves that have been spreading since the New York bastions of the truly wealthy.
I'm sure the listener doesn't realize that prisons are also "gated communities." Where are we going with this stuff?
Good Ideas Phillip. We can't wait until President Obama wins his 2nd term. We must stomp and holler NOW for a Progressive AGENDA of JOBS HERE and not over there. It is time to list all the CORPORATIONS with the number of jobs they have sent overseas, taking work away from Americans who want and need jobs. We also need to know that TAXES paid into U.S. COFFERS by these same Corporate CEOs and BOARD MEMBERS. In addition, President Obama needs to state what he wants re: jobs to bring our middle class citizens out of the poverty in which they are sinking and back to jobs that pay reasonable wages upon which to raise families. I we in the USA can't do it, how in god's name do we expect others to. We are a NATION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS. We are not a NATION OF THE WEALTHY or of the totally POOR. We need to get up off our Middle Class buns and stop waiting for politicians and others to think of how to find jobs, train for jobs, do jobs, make money from our good ideas. We MUST.
It is actually worse than that. The initial riot was about the death of a black teenager shot by police. A policeman was also shot but by another policeman, accidentally, but that information came out after the riots were over.
The first nights riots were down to anger and incompetance by the police. They failed to answer the demonstrators questions and after the demonstrators left the riot started. The subsequent riots were copycat riots with the prime intention of looting, so an element of poverty was involved. The areas affected were small and well apart. Though from press coverage you would have thought that the entire city was ablaze. The riots in other cities were also criminally motivated.
The cuts announced by the coalition have only recently started and are less than a few months in. In a couple of years as the austerity measures fail to work then if there are riots it will be because of austerity. In fact the coalition are so out of touch that they are already discussing cutting the top rate of tax, only brought in to address the deficit, and that only impact those earning more than $250 000 per year.
Greece and Portugal are most likely to have an European Spring event. Anger in Ireland is growing and might spill over, though since they elected a new government recently they might give them time before rioting.
I will vote again for President Obama, but doesn't he know that putting people in certain positions of authority hinders the very thing that he says he wants to do? He needs to have people working to create jobs here in the United States that don't get payoffs from corporations that send jobs overseas? I thought he was smarter than that? I hope he doesn't live to regret these decisions.
It maybe time to leave the national economy behind. Each state should establish their own investment banks and encourage manufacturing and the entrepreneurial spirit. We cannot expect congress to work towards our best interest, given the special interest influence that permeates their day.
However, we could subdue that influence by a grassroots constitutional amendment, limiting campaign donations to candidates only from voters within their political jurisdictions. We could also impose a ban on external PACs, etc from advertising on behalf of a candidate or position. A business and it's owner should not have a stronger voice than a grandmother. We should get to one vote, one voice. Let the politicians speak to us clearly, and let us decide on the merit of their argument. Not the loud and insistent advertisement from special influence. Once the poison of external finance has subsided, our elected officials could finally make decisions based on the facts.
Thanks Thom for providing a great space for free speech!
"It is not the role of government to feed these pitiful slobs, or help them find work, or protect them if they get ill. It is up to my own philanthropy, and I shall decide whom to save, and how, and when, or whether to save none at all, and #*#* you all very much if you think otherwise."
www.whitehouse.gov www.congress.gov We must all Speak out often People power works when we get active Like in Wis & Ohio - Fla What are you waiting for ?
Embarass them with the truth. Shout their names loud and clear. This is no different than Governor Perry writing in his book that he believes social security is "unconstitutional" and then his handlers say that he is being misquoted. The truth will win if we keep repeating it daily. The Republican Party is quckly disintegrating into a lumpy loose mud slick. They do not even like each other. After President Obama wins his second term in office, let's fill the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate with progessive Democrats who will help him get the people's agenda passed in Congress instead of giving more welfare to the billionair corporatists.
That God ploy is so phony. Thats just the GOP Tea Bagger excuse to do nothing but stall, block & filibuster 100's of times These folks care nothing about the Bible. They use God and Bible as a ' prop' Jesus was liberal " Feed the hungry heal the sick' Does that sould like a Repub Tea Bagger ??
Thom - you speculated regarding the earthquake and its possible causes, including heavy rains increasing groundwater and hydraulic pressures. In the 1960s a USGS geologist named David Evans showed that earthquakes in the Denver area which had increased greatly were caused by the Rocky Flats Nuclear Facility, which sits a few miles NW of Denver. They had been pumping wastewater from the plant deep into the Golden Fault, which runs along the Front Range. This actually lubricated the fault and this led to swarms of small to mid-sized earthquakes. These quakes subsided after they stopped allowing the wastewater to be pumped in the ground. It would be interesting to see if geo-hydraulic engineers are doing studies right now on acquifer pressures. You could be right!
What is criminal about trading mortgage backed securities. If they didn't, they would run out of money for mortgages. Keep in mind, that it was the purpose of Fannie/Freddie (government) to buy sub-prime mortgages, securitize them, and guarantee them. To prosecute the "banksters" they would also have to prosecute congress.
It should also be noted, that Fannie/Freddie had one purpose, and that was to purchase subprime mortgages, securitize them, and guarantee them. With a semi-government guarantee, you can almost see why the ratings agencies gave the securities, at least 50% of the trash, a AAA rating.
Fannie/Freddie are the first big fish in an oligopoly to be considered the victim. They were 50% of the mortgage market, and 100% sub-prime, yet in the context of the oligopoly, they are the victim. Wow.
And now we hear that the Obama Administration wants to make a deal with the banks to indemnify and absolve them from their criminal activity involving the sale of mortgage backed securities, the MERS mortgage mess, and the rampant filing of illegal foreclosures. And they're going so far as to pressure New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to drop his investigations into the widespread criminal activity perpetrated by the too big to fail banks. The administrations solution? Have the banks pay a civil fine. Are we moving toward a country where the rich are exempted from the laws of the land and the reach of the justice system by paying a fine? Where the victims of those crimes are excluded from the process, loose their rights to seek redress, and are considered collateral damage in the noble effort to keep "The Economy" healthy? Once again, the health of the banks balance sheets is proving more important then the health and well being of the American people.
Spelled it wrong--- Koch quote is awful, I am horrified.
I am horrified at the Kohn quote.
http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=45v8jddab&et=1107275390334&s=179589&e=001d...
keith olbarmann on current tv
Are you kidding. Fannie and Freddie caused the housing bubble.
" Everyone is entitled to a home"
When Buffett was asked why he did not give money directly to the government he responded that he gave it to charitable institutions because their cost of handling was much lower than having the government manage it.
Here's a communication point for you:
When people talk about "gated communities", I think the listener gets the connotation of the wealthy enclaves that have been spreading since the New York bastions of the truly wealthy.
I'm sure the listener doesn't realize that prisons are also "gated communities." Where are we going with this stuff?
Good Ideas Phillip. We can't wait until President Obama wins his 2nd term. We must stomp and holler NOW for a Progressive AGENDA of JOBS HERE and not over there. It is time to list all the CORPORATIONS with the number of jobs they have sent overseas, taking work away from Americans who want and need jobs. We also need to know that TAXES paid into U.S. COFFERS by these same Corporate CEOs and BOARD MEMBERS. In addition, President Obama needs to state what he wants re: jobs to bring our middle class citizens out of the poverty in which they are sinking and back to jobs that pay reasonable wages upon which to raise families. I we in the USA can't do it, how in god's name do we expect others to. We are a NATION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS. We are not a NATION OF THE WEALTHY or of the totally POOR. We need to get up off our Middle Class buns and stop waiting for politicians and others to think of how to find jobs, train for jobs, do jobs, make money from our good ideas. We MUST.
It is actually worse than that. The initial riot was about the death of a black teenager shot by police. A policeman was also shot but by another policeman, accidentally, but that information came out after the riots were over.
The first nights riots were down to anger and incompetance by the police. They failed to answer the demonstrators questions and after the demonstrators left the riot started. The subsequent riots were copycat riots with the prime intention of looting, so an element of poverty was involved. The areas affected were small and well apart. Though from press coverage you would have thought that the entire city was ablaze. The riots in other cities were also criminally motivated.
The cuts announced by the coalition have only recently started and are less than a few months in. In a couple of years as the austerity measures fail to work then if there are riots it will be because of austerity. In fact the coalition are so out of touch that they are already discussing cutting the top rate of tax, only brought in to address the deficit, and that only impact those earning more than $250 000 per year.
Greece and Portugal are most likely to have an European Spring event. Anger in Ireland is growing and might spill over, though since they elected a new government recently they might give them time before rioting.
Do we have links to these stats? It would be good to get this out there.
Jeff Immelt.....................YES SADLY
Are you suggesting all organizations, including labor unions and other interest groups. I doubt it.
I hope you are kidding Fannie/ Freddie....................
I will vote again for President Obama, but doesn't he know that putting people in certain positions of authority hinders the very thing that he says he wants to do? He needs to have people working to create jobs here in the United States that don't get payoffs from corporations that send jobs overseas? I thought he was smarter than that? I hope he doesn't live to regret these decisions.
I like the idea of state run investment banks allocating investment capital through a political process. We need more Fannie/Freddie successes.
It maybe time to leave the national economy behind. Each state should establish their own investment banks and encourage manufacturing and the entrepreneurial spirit. We cannot expect congress to work towards our best interest, given the special interest influence that permeates their day.
However, we could subdue that influence by a grassroots constitutional amendment, limiting campaign donations to candidates only from voters within their political jurisdictions. We could also impose a ban on external PACs, etc from advertising on behalf of a candidate or position. A business and it's owner should not have a stronger voice than a grandmother. We should get to one vote, one voice. Let the politicians speak to us clearly, and let us decide on the merit of their argument. Not the loud and insistent advertisement from special influence. Once the poison of external finance has subsided, our elected officials could finally make decisions based on the facts.
Thanks Thom for providing a great space for free speech!
Jeff in RentonWa
In complete relation: Koch Lashes Out at Warren Buffett
"It is not the role of government to feed these pitiful slobs, or help them find work, or protect them if they get ill. It is up to my own philanthropy, and I shall decide whom to save, and how, and when, or whether to save none at all, and #*#* you all very much if you think otherwise."
Didn't obama appoint Jeffery Immelt?
www.whitehouse.gov www.congress.gov We must all Speak out often People power works when we get active Like in Wis & Ohio - Fla What are you waiting for ?
Embarass them with the truth. Shout their names loud and clear. This is no different than Governor Perry writing in his book that he believes social security is "unconstitutional" and then his handlers say that he is being misquoted. The truth will win if we keep repeating it daily. The Republican Party is quckly disintegrating into a lumpy loose mud slick. They do not even like each other. After President Obama wins his second term in office, let's fill the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate with progessive Democrats who will help him get the people's agenda passed in Congress instead of giving more welfare to the billionair corporatists.
Philip Henderson, ethical magician
That God ploy is so phony. Thats just the GOP Tea Bagger excuse to do nothing but stall, block & filibuster 100's of times These folks care nothing about the Bible. They use God and Bible as a ' prop' Jesus was liberal " Feed the hungry heal the sick' Does that sould like a Repub Tea Bagger ??
Thom - you speculated regarding the earthquake and its possible causes, including heavy rains increasing groundwater and hydraulic pressures. In the 1960s a USGS geologist named David Evans showed that earthquakes in the Denver area which had increased greatly were caused by the Rocky Flats Nuclear Facility, which sits a few miles NW of Denver. They had been pumping wastewater from the plant deep into the Golden Fault, which runs along the Front Range. This actually lubricated the fault and this led to swarms of small to mid-sized earthquakes. These quakes subsided after they stopped allowing the wastewater to be pumped in the ground.
It would be interesting to see if geo-hydraulic engineers are doing studies right now on acquifer pressures. You could be right!